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shockthemonkey posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

I never said shame wasn't a pretty decent motivator to swindle more tips from the customers. Me though? I demand prompt service if I'm going to tip.

You sound 1000000% more entitled than any server

Going to a restaurant and expecting people to perform their jobs is entitlement?

Tipping is part of the cost of eating out.

No its not. It's a gratuity.
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shockthemonkey posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

I never said shame wasn't a pretty decent motivator to swindle more tips from the customers. Me though? I demand prompt service if I'm going to tip.

You sound 1000000% more entitled than any server

Going to a restaurant and expecting people to perform their jobs is entitlement?

Tipping is part of the cost of eating out.

Why isn't it on the check just like everything else then? I'm not from the U.S. so forgive me if I seem ignorant, but it just doesn't make any sense to me. If it's part of the cost of eating out, then why isn't it required to pay and it's just heavily frowned upon?
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Yomi posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

I never said shame wasn't a pretty decent motivator to swindle more tips from the customers. Me though? I demand prompt service if I'm going to tip.

You sound 1000000% more entitled than any server

Going to a restaurant and expecting people to perform their jobs is entitlement?

Tipping is part of the cost of eating out.

Why isn't it on the check just like everything else then? I'm not from the U.S. so forgive me if I seem ignorant, but it just doesn't make any sense to me. If it's part of the cost of eating out, then why isn't it required to pay and it's just heavily frowned upon?

Because waiters are entitled and they use shame to receive tips at a pretty shocking degree of success instead of providing adequate service as they're meant to.
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shockthemonkey posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

I never said shame wasn't a pretty decent motivator to swindle more tips from the customers. Me though? I demand prompt service if I'm going to tip.

You sound 1000000% more entitled than any server

Going to a restaurant and expecting people to perform their jobs is entitlement?

Tipping is part of the cost of eating out.

No its not. It's a gratuity.

Dont act surprised when youre called entitled if youre going to act entitled like this.

I'm not surprised about the nonsensical regard to tipping that waiters have. It makes no sense to place an undue burden on a customer to tip you while justifying your own laziness in return. But hey, entitled waiters amirite.
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xyphilia posted...

Just wondering what the general etiquette is considered in usa.

dont question the scam just tip.

theres a reason this no skill random wage job has so many entitled people working it. ever hear them fighting for fair pay? why? they can scam customers into tipping them way more than a fair wage will get them for that no skill role.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

I never said shame wasn't a pretty decent motivator to swindle more tips from the customers. Me though? I demand prompt service if I'm going to tip.

You sound 1000000% more entitled than any server

Going to a restaurant and expecting people to perform their jobs is entitlement?

Tipping is part of the cost of eating out.

No its not. It's a gratuity.

Dont act surprised when youre called entitled if youre going to act entitled like this.

I'm not surprised about the nonsensical regard to tipping that waiters have. It makes no sense to place an undue burden on a customer to tip you while justifying your own laziness in return. But hey, entitled waiters amirite.

Food prices are kept cheap because servers arent paid a wage. Otherwise, you could expect prices to go up by 20% to compensate. So when you dont tip, youre effectively robbing the service for a cheap meal.

The practice itself is derived from the fact that restaurants cant expect to know ahead of time just how many servers to keep on hand. So the lack of a real wage helps service stay snappy because they can overstaff without losing money.
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EnragedSlith posted...

The practice itself is derived from

https://splinternews.com/the-racist-history-of-tipping-1798704699
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EnragedSlith posted...

Food prices are kept cheap because servers arent paid a wage. Otherwise, you could expect prices to go up by 20% to compensate. So when you dont tip, youre effectively robbing the service for a cheap meal.

The practice itself is derived from the fact that restaurants cant expect to know ahead of time just how many servers to keep on hand. So the lack of a real wage helps service stay snappy because they can overstaff without losing money.

There is no solid rule in regards to food pricing. It depends on a lot of factors, and while looking it up, I saw that some no-tipping restaurants didn't even increase the price of their food at all.

And no, that's not where the practice of tipping is derived from.
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G-Ziss posted...

loafy013 posted...

So say you work in an office and copier breaks down. Are you OK with getting docked on your review by your boss because you couldn't make a copy of his son's homework for him that day?

If making copies for your boss is part of your job description, then you should be making your best effort to make copies for your boss.

If the office xerox machine breaks down, there are other ways to get the task done. Use a scanner app on your phone to scan it then print it out. Go to another office in the building and ask if you can use their xerox machine. Swing by a Kinko's or a local library on your lunch break to make a copy. People should go above and beyond if they expect to receive an exceptional performance review. Anyone who uses a petty excuse to get out of doing a simple job like making a copy deserves to be docked on their review.

If you're working on your lunch break then it's not actually a lunch break now is it?

This mentality is why the American workforce is so beatdown and subservient. "How else can I degrade myself for you sir?"
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The time spent making the copy wouldn't deduct from your allotted lunch break time.

G-Ziss posted...

The time spent making the copy wouldn't deduct from your allotted lunch break time.

Well no, cause I'd be starting my time over again.
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DirtyLarry posted...

G-Ziss posted...

loafy013 posted...

So say you work in an office and copier breaks down. Are you OK with getting docked on your review by your boss because you couldn't make a copy of his son's homework for him that day?

If making copies for your boss is part of your job description, then you should be making your best effort to make copies for your boss.

If the office xerox machine breaks down, there are other ways to get the task done. Use a scanner app on your phone to scan it then print it out. Go to another office in the building and ask if you can use their xerox machine. Swing by a Kinko's or a local library on your lunch break to make a copy. People should go above and beyond if they expect to receive an exceptional performance review. Anyone who uses a petty excuse to get out of doing a simple job like making a copy deserves to be docked on their review.

If you're working on your lunch break then it's not actually a lunch break now is it?

This mentality is why the American workforce is so beatdown and subservient. "How else can I degrade myself for you sir?"

Seriously, that entire post is such a load of anti-working class nonsense.
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Bending over for a boss isn't the same as a waiter doing an excellent service. They don't have to bow to me or anything but they should be genuine, communicate etc.
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Lunar_Savage posted...

Only times it's considered acceptable to not tip is when the server has been rather rude (check your behavior as well and make sure you didn't/don't provoke it) or has done a very poor job (even then, consider how many people they might be having to serve, quite often you are not the only customer and employers will overwork staff).

This sounds like a parody but I can never tell with this forum. It's like the time someone made a topic about customer service and everyone wanted customers to be walking on eggshells when it comes to requesting something instead of just regular politeness.

G-Ziss posted...

loafy013 posted...

So say you work in an office and copier breaks down. Are you OK with getting docked on your review by your boss because you couldn't make a copy of his son's homework for him that day?

If making copies for your boss is part of your job description, then you should be making your best effort to make copies for your boss.

If the office xerox machine breaks down, there are other ways to get the task done. Use a scanner app on your phone to scan it then print it out. Go to another office in the building and ask if you can use their xerox machine. Swing by a Kinko's or a local library on your lunch break to make a copy. People should go above and beyond if they expect to receive an exceptional performance review. Anyone who uses a petty excuse to get out of doing a simple job like making a copy deserves to be docked on their review.

Yeah exactly. Even that strawman argument backfired in his face.

It's the other way around TC, you tip if you go there often that way they make sure to give you good service and not spit in your food. If it's the only time you're going there you don't need to tip because you won't suffer for it.
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Anyone who spits in a customer's food because they didn't tip deserves not to be tipped.

The idea of fostering a good relationship to get special treatment IS nice, but I'm not eating there everyday forever, just eating there everyday for 2 weeks. I don't know if that's enough time to get that potential benefit you guys mention.

Why not make every meal a few dollars more and make tipping optional if the customer wants to?
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Yeah I think that's pretty reasonable. But then again america doesn't even have VAT, they add the price of tax after you get to the register which is all kinds of stupid for several obvious reasons. Lotta weird things here.

xyphilia posted...

Yeah I think that's pretty reasonable. But then again america doesn't even have VAT, they add the price of tax after you get to the register which is all kinds of stupid for several obvious reasons. Lotta weird things here.

I think one of the main reasons we don't include post tax cost until the register is to save cost on advertising. The sales tax fluctuates every so often. So it's easier to let a register calculate it (especially since it's expected in the U.S.) at time of purchase rather than have to constantly update signage.

Also of course there's the marketing foolery. So people continue to hold tax against the government instead of the companies.
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CraziestCal posted...

Why not make every meal a few dollars more and make tipping optional if the customer wants to?

employers dont want that as they'd like to have workers work for free and customers playing their wage

employees dont want that because its just another wage role and they only willingly sign up for random wage job knowing they can coerce the average joe into supplementing their earnings.
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Lunar_Savage posted...

xyphilia posted...

Yeah I think that's pretty reasonable. But then again america doesn't even have VAT, they add the price of tax after you get to the register which is all kinds of stupid for several obvious reasons. Lotta weird things here.

I think one of the main reasons we don't include post tax cost until the register is to save cost on advertising. The sales tax fluctuates every so often. So it's easier to let a register calculate it (especially since it's expected in the U.S.) at time of purchase rather than have to constantly update signage.

Also of course there's the marketing foolery. So people continue to hold tax against the government instead of the companies.

But like with most things is there not a better way?

xyphilia posted...

Lunar_Savage posted...

xyphilia posted...

Yeah I think that's pretty reasonable. But then again america doesn't even have VAT, they add the price of tax after you get to the register which is all kinds of stupid for several obvious reasons. Lotta weird things here.

I think one of the main reasons we don't include post tax cost until the register is to save cost on advertising. The sales tax fluctuates every so often. So it's easier to let a register calculate it (especially since it's expected in the U.S.) at time of purchase rather than have to constantly update signage.

Also of course there's the marketing foolery. So people continue to hold tax against the government instead of the companies.

But like with most things is there not a better way?

Sure. But they will never do it.
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