Current Events > What is toxic masculinity ?

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When I look at this objectively it just looks like negative males stereotypes and nothing more. Like if a male started to try to fight toxic femininity and highlighted stereotypes that women do people will could him a pig. I wish there were people who stand up to shit like this with out going overboard into hating women in general .
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Masculinity that is toxic
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The toxins that come from my dick.
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Men in lifted diesel trucks rolling coal. Literally toxic just to show off their manhood.
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you do/don't ______??

you're not a man.
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It's called being a douchebag, but SJWs need to specifically demonize men for it. There are traits from both sexes that are bad, and a normal society should be able to address them all.

cjsdowg posted...

I wish there were more people who stand up to shit like this with out going overboard into hating women in general.

What is toxic masculinity ?

"Man up."
"Don't let me catch you crying, boy."
"Time to give up hobbies you love so much and devote all your freetime to being good husband material so I can get the grandchildren I'm entitled to."
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Who cares

It's just some dumb term emasculated numales throw around
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John_Galt posted...

Who cares

It's just some dumb term emasculated numales throw around

This is it.
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Why do people think feigning ignorance/misunderstanding is a good argument?
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16-BITTER posted...

ClockworkHare posted...

Man up."
"Don't let me catch you crying, boy."
"Time to give up hobbies you love so much and devote all your freetime to being good husband material so I can get the grandchildren I'm entitled to."

These sound like things someone's mother might say, particularly the final one.

Yeah, some women are also complicit in boxing impressionable boys and young men into preferred gender roles that can result in self destructive outcomes (toxic masculinity).

Tiger moms are a notorious example, often attempting to chisel their sons into stoic supermen who will attract wives and produce grandchildren. There are, however, also fathers who perpetuate the same thing due to procreative entitlement ("I gave birth/raised you; you owe me some grandchildren"). Sometimes a recently separated mother will attempt to groom her son into being her patriarchal counterpart to fill the void left by the last man in her life. This can result in the mother dumping harsh expectations (goals, priorities) that would typically be more reserved for a husband, not a younger son.

Part of the reason why it can actually be worse when a woman does this is that she's attempting to pressure her son into masculine ideals without the ability to personally experience what it's like to live up to them herself. Her perspective of what's ideal for being a man could be extremes, which can become terribly hard and unreasonable on the son. It would be like if a father kept pressuring his daughter into winning beauty pageants without ever considering that she might go through a lot of pain, humiliation, and self harm to meet the judging standards.

Toxic masculinity is not something only perpetuated by some men. Some women also contribute heavily in various casual ways because they have their own incentives to make sure it continues.
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CrimsonRage posted...

i don't know what's so threatening about the phrase "toxic masculinity". it's very much a male issue. basically glorifying negative male stereotypes and thinking "weak" men aren't real men.

"but what about toxic FEMININITY" why does there need to be an equivalent? to make you feel better? stop being so insecure.

that said women who force female gender roles on other women are a problem too.

Why does it need to be a toxic femininity. Because if you want to call the stereotype about males, then you should be able to do it about females.
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Masculinity: James Bond

Toxic masculinity: Harvey Weinstein
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TheFuriousInch posted...

The toxins that come from my dick.

Might wanna see a doctor.

frozenshock posted...

Masculinity: James Bond

Early bond was kind of rapey.
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This

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You want to prove so badly that you are tough, manly and invincible that you are willing to put your life on the line that's what it means. It poisons your mind to cause you to ignore your survival instincts.
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pauIie posted...

you do/don't ______??

you're not a man.

I remember this when I was younger. I identified it as the manipulation tactic it was almost immediately. Id be like "Ok, Im not a man. Now what happens?" Then people were just forced to move on.
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I think it's fun
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I would define it as compromising your own happiness or well being in favor of maintaining an appearance of masculinity.

Common example being a man who feels worse about something if it pushes him to cry because that isnt masculine.
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HaVeNII7 posted...

I would define it as compromising your own happiness or well being in favor of maintaining an appearance of masculinity.

Common example being a man who feels worse about something if it pushes him to cry because that isnt masculine.

This makes sense.
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I'm not sure why context is such a foreign word for some people around here.

For the better part of 6000 or so years (at least), men have, either purposely or through inaction, had advantages over women. It doesn't matter if your sister got a job because she was a woman or if some girl at your work got an extra perk or something because pretty much every societal institution has to work to overcome the fact that it was founded in a time that patriarchy was not only the norm but essentially the only option.

Now, that doesn't mean you are personally responsible, nor does it mean that people should personally blame you for anything. Personally, I haven't encountered any of these mythical 'man-hating feminists' that some users here always like to use to justify their Men's Rights advocacy, nor do I think those women exist in anything but strawman and fringe figures.

Basically, don't take it personally. Your perspective is, obviously, of an individual deeply rooted in a very specific time frame. These issues have been around way longer than any of us and will probably continue for some time. These sorts of changes take time and do not always move in a 'progressive' direction.

Perhaps, though, I've missed the mark. Maybe you could provide some examples of where this sort of thing has affected you personally so we can all get a better perspective. Perhaps some specific examples of where you were accused of such behavior or someone personally discriminated against you because of your gender.

Dash_Harber posted...

I'm not sure why context is such a foreign word for some people around here.

For the better part of 6000 or so years (at least), men have, either purposely or through inaction, had advantages over women. It doesn't matter if your sister got a job because she was a woman or if some girl at your work got an extra perk or something because pretty much every societal institution has to work to overcome the fact that it was founded in a time that patriarchy was not only the norm but essentially the only option.

Now, that doesn't mean you are personally responsible, nor does it mean that people should personally blame you for anything. Personally, I haven't encountered any of these mythical 'man-hating feminists' that some users here always like to use to justify their Men's Rights advocacy, nor do I think those women exist in anything but strawman and fringe figures.

Basically, don't take it personally. Your perspective is, obviously, of an individual deeply rooted in a very specific time frame. These issues have been around way longer than any of us and will probably continue for some time. These sorts of changes take time and do not always move in a 'progressive' direction.

Perhaps, though, I've missed the mark. Maybe you could provide some examples of where this sort of thing has affected you personally so we can all get a better perspective. Perhaps some specific examples of where you were accused of such behavior or someone personally discriminated against you because of your gender.

Have you never been on Youtube? They definitely exist. They are not the majority by any means, and they are not representative of feminism as a whole, but they are quite real.

nemu posted...

Have you never been on Youtube? They definitely exist. They are not the majority by any means, and they are not representative of feminism as a whole, but they are quite real.

And there are conservative voters who are literally neo-nazis. Would be an incredible waste of my time and incredibly stupid to derive my views on the basis of being an anti-nazi and to generalize these views as conservative.
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nemu posted...

They are not the majority by any means

And that is the key. They are a fringe group, at best. Juggalos also exist; does that mean I should make a daily topic complaining about them or devote my life to campaigning for non-Juggalo rights? Not only are the people complaining about this fringe group, but they are using the group as an excuse to argue for a fundamental shift in society that would affect everyone, including women who aren't that stereotype.

Dash_Harber posted...

nemu posted...

They are not the majority by any means

And that is the key. They are a fringe group, at best. Juggalos also exist; does that mean I should make a daily topic complaining about them or devote my life to campaigning for non-Juggalo rights? Not only are the people complaining about this fringe group, but they are using the group as an excuse to argue for a fundamental shift in society that would affect everyone, including women who aren't that stereotype.

It's sort of similar to Islam extremists. They are not representative of all of Islam, but that ignores that a very large majority still hold problematic views of gays, apostates, and those of other religions. Not every feminist is a raging lunatic, but there are definite problems like perpetuating falsehoods, demonizing men, and the such. The biggest problem is such people are teaching college classes.

nemu posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

nemu posted...

They are not the majority by any means

And that is the key. They are a fringe group, at best. Juggalos also exist; does that mean I should make a daily topic complaining about them or devote my life to campaigning for non-Juggalo rights? Not only are the people complaining about this fringe group, but they are using the group as an excuse to argue for a fundamental shift in society that would affect everyone, including women who aren't that stereotype.

It's sort of similar to Islam extremists. They are not representative of all of Islam, but that ignores that a very large majority still hold problematic views of gays, apostates, and those of other religions. Not every feminist is a raging lunatic, but there are definite problems like perpetuating falsehoods, demonizing men, and the such. The biggest problem is such people are teaching college classes.

You just pointed out that they aren't the majority, but then say it's like a situation where they are the majority. That doesn't make sense to me.

Can you give examples of where these 'radicalized feminists' have infiltrated colleges?

Dash_Harber posted...

nemu posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

nemu posted...

They are not the majority by any means

And that is the key. They are a fringe group, at best. Juggalos also exist; does that mean I should make a daily topic complaining about them or devote my life to campaigning for non-Juggalo rights? Not only are the people complaining about this fringe group, but they are using the group as an excuse to argue for a fundamental shift in society that would affect everyone, including women who aren't that stereotype.

It's sort of similar to Islam extremists. They are not representative of all of Islam, but that ignores that a very large majority still hold problematic views of gays, apostates, and those of other religions. Not every feminist is a raging lunatic, but there are definite problems like perpetuating falsehoods, demonizing men, and the such. The biggest problem is such people are teaching college classes.

You just pointed out that they aren't the majority, but then say it's like a situation where they are the majority. That doesn't make sense to me.

Can you give examples of where these 'radicalized feminists' have infiltrated colleges?

By such people teaching classes, I don't mean the really insane ones. It's the ones who perpetuate false rape statistics on campuses, not letting the wage gap myth die, and all the dumb "man-x" terminology. It's the kind of people who teach people how to be victims that are the problem. The biggest indicator is the countless pool of videos of whiny, entitled college students crying out about how they're oppressed.

It's not an epidemic, but it is a bad trend that will hopefully be quashed in a few years,

nemu posted...

Have you been a student on a university campus?
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nemu posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

nemu posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

nemu posted...

They are not the majority by any means

And that is the key. They are a fringe group, at best. Juggalos also exist; does that mean I should make a daily topic complaining about them or devote my life to campaigning for non-Juggalo rights? Not only are the people complaining about this fringe group, but they are using the group as an excuse to argue for a fundamental shift in society that would affect everyone, including women who aren't that stereotype.

It's sort of similar to Islam extremists. They are not representative of all of Islam, but that ignores that a very large majority still hold problematic views of gays, apostates, and those of other religions. Not every feminist is a raging lunatic, but there are definite problems like perpetuating falsehoods, demonizing men, and the such. The biggest problem is such people are teaching college classes.

You just pointed out that they aren't the majority, but then say it's like a situation where they are the majority. That doesn't make sense to me.

Can you give examples of where these 'radicalized feminists' have infiltrated colleges?

By such people teaching classes, I don't mean the really insane ones. It's the ones who perpetuate false rape statistics on campuses, not letting the wage gap myth die, and all the dumb "man-x" terminology. It's the kind of people who teach people how to be victims that are the problem. The biggest indicator is the countless pool of videos of whiny, entitled college students crying out about how they're oppressed.

It's not an epidemic, but it is a bad trend that will hopefully be quashed in a few years,

Yeah, during 5 years and 2 BA degrees, I never saw anything like this. It seems like you are moving the goal posts at this point. First, you said the strawman image existed, but wasn't the majority. Then you said it was comparable to another group, that was a majority, somehow. Then you said they were infiltrating colleges. Then you couldn't provide any examples and claimed that it wasn't that group, but another similar, less extreme group that was doing it (still with no examples).

Are you sure that you are actually looking at the facts, or are you allowing hearsay and hypotheticals to create a narrative for you?

it's weird how people still pretend not to understand this

Illuminoius posted...

it's weird how people still pretend not to understand this

It's seriously not difficult to comprehend. I think they just have an aversion to it because its a relatively modern and new-ish term, and they're just choosing not to understand or accept it. Because to some people, anything modern is millenial nonsense.
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Hayame Zero posted...

It's seriously not difficult to comprehend. I think they just have an aversion to it because its a relatively modern and new-ish term, and they're just choosing not to understand or accept it. Because to some people, anything modern is millenial nonsense.

What are you people talking about. There have been real news outlets saying Star Wars the Last Jedi was a showing us Toxic Masculinity just because Poe rightfully wanted to know what the hell was going on. And also the Finn was the Toxic for trying to save everyone in the end . You act like I am willingly misunderstanding something. When people can get paid for talking about how good Holdo was for saving everyone and complain when Finn does the same thing. Star Wars isn't here this craziness stars or end I just used that example since most people would not it.
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John_Galt posted...

Who cares

It's just some dumb term emasculated numales throw around

Thank you for demonstrating what toxic masculinity is.
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It's not a thing.

Nobody likes manbabies.
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cjsdowg posted...

And also the Finn was the Toxic for trying to save everyone in the end

lmao, Finn trying to save everyone was one of the best parts of that movie. His death could have saved the film tbh >_>
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BatmanWTtP posted...

cjsdowg posted...

And also the Finn was the Toxic for trying to save everyone in the end

lmao, Finn trying to save everyone was one of the best parts of that movie. His death could have saved the film tbh >_>

As much as I hate when the only black guy dies in movies like this. You are so right. I was thinking that Finn was going to save the day and be a hero. But NOPE. Hell when you think about it Rose was for more Toxic, then Finn.
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