Current Events > Jar Jar vs Rose Tico. Who is the better Star Wars character?

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Jar Jar was actually somewhat useful
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Jar actually has meaningful contributions in-universe context. Rose breaks continuity and all her scenes make no sense. That said, I picked her because Jar Jar can fucking die in fire.
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Let's see:

-war general
-politician who inadvertently changed history

-maintenance worker who's sister died so she falls in love with a deserter because "reasons".

Jar Jar easily, yeah he's annoying, but he was a somewhat honest misstep by Lucas which he later sailed back.

Rose was terrible and I actually like TLJ.
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People are unironically defending Jar Jar Binks now. Fucking lmao.
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The undercover Sith Lord
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giantblimpN7 posted...

People are unironically defending Jar Jar Binks now. Fucking lmao.

I guess that's how bad Disney Star Wars is lol

giantblimpN7 posted...

People are unironically defending Jar Jar Binks now. Fucking lmao.

This. I'm over Star Wars fans. Y'all don't deserve to be happy.
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hollow_shrine posted...

This. I'm over Star Wars fans. Y'all don't deserve to be happy.

Imagine still being a fan after all the garbage movies Disney has made

Take your meds Milkman
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giantblimpN7 posted...

People are unironically defending Jar Jar Binks now. Fucking lmao.

He is Better then Rose, Holdo, and Chuckleberry Finn . .
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lmao
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cjsdowg posted...

giantblimpN7 posted...

People are unironically defending Jar Jar Binks now. Fucking lmao.

He is Better then Rose, Holdo, and Chuckleberry Finn . .

I don't like that term..but just popped in my head, first n last time I will use it.

You defend a pathetic attempt at creating a franchise character for kids that literally does nothing but mess up, succeed via total luck, and insults the entire viewing audience.

I mean, Rose, Holdo, and Finn are just tertiary characters who are not well implemented because it was obvious Rian Johnson didn't GAF about that story line.

Is it really so offensively bad to just had a bad subplot in a film, compared to an attempt to basically create a mascot character and force it down our throats?
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M_Live posted...

Why exactly do people hate Rose

She felt very unnecessary to the overall plot and thus kinda tossed in. When someone is tossed in, people ask why. They look at her ethnicity and general look and assume some things.
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M_Live posted...

Why exactly do people hate Rose

The reasons that have been stated a thousand times already and you've ignored or hand waved away.
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M_Live posted...

Why exactly do people hate Rose

because she's a pointless character part of a pointless sub-plot that was dumb and lead nowhere
and because of what she does at the end of the movie

I haven't seen the movie though, that's what reviewers and fans have said.

I have seen the end scene they are talking about though on Youtube and it was fucking hilarious

where she smashes her ship into Finn

Jar Jar at least had a character arc.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

that literally does nothing but mess up, succeed via total luck, and insults the entire viewing audience.

That is literally what Finn is. The reason I hate him more is because the wasn't suppose to be that. He was supposed to bring the end to negative stereotypes, not make more. And that is all Finn is a walking Stereotype befitting something from the products of the 50s . I would say 60s, but Star Trek had respeible black people in 60s.

And Rose was just there to show him up. Rose literally took all of the anatomy way from Finn. He tried to leave , she stops him. He doesn't know about Arms dealers or the Space horses, Rose knows about both. At the end she tries to blow up the drill, she stops him.

We're going to win this war, not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love.

That is literally what he was trying to do both teams she beat him up.
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why would Rose think smashing her ship into Finn's wouldn't kill him

and why did it not kill him

lmao

what a horrible scene

Rose's face look like she dropping a giant shit when she crashes into Finn.
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Milkman5 posted...

why would Rose think smashing her ship into Finn's wouldn't kill him

and why did it not kill him

lmao

what a horrible scene

Sole vehicle crash in the entire series that didn't result in a fireball.
Maybe something something podracer but regardless it was fucking horrid.
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Milkman5 posted...

why would Rose think smashing her ship into Finn's wouldn't kill him

and why did it not kill him

lmao

what a horrible scene

It's even better that the entire theme of the scene, we won't beat the enemy by sacrificing our loved ones, directly contradicts the previous scene of Holdo sacrificing her life to give the remaining resistance a shot at escaping

What a shitshow of a movie.
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Jar Jar is a dumbass but he's actually trying to do good and wants to help his friends, he tries to fight the enemy but is a bombing fool out of his depth(they should not have made him a general). Later tries to help Naboo by being a good senator but is unwittingly the reason for Palpatine gaining so much power. Never at anytime is he trying to fuck over his friends only trying to aid them.

Rose Tico is preachy as fuck about how the people at the casino are evil, how horrible the animals there have it, how terrible it is that people sell weapons to both side of the conflict, but worst of all is how she "saved Finn" from making a noble sacrifice that would be a great heroic act but also this action allows the FO to get inside the base. She also acts like "saving the animals is the real victory" after literally FAILING the mission they were there for.

Jar Jar actually contributed to the PT story, Rose's contribution was to prevent a heroic sacrifice and allow the enemy entrance to the base.

Rose Tico is worse then Jar Jar Binks.
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I wish I could change my vote.

Jar jar is better than the hoe that tazes people that no longer wish to be in the rebellion.
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She most likely got people killed doing that.
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cjsdowg posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

that literally does nothing but mess up, succeed via total luck, and insults the entire viewing audience.

That is literally what Finn is. The reason I hate him more is because the wasn't suppose to be that. He was supposed to bring the end to negative stereotypes, not make more. And that is all Finn is a walking Stereotype befitting something from the products of the 50s . I would say 60s, but Star Trek had respeible black people in 60s.

And Rose was just there to show him up. Rose literally took all of the anatomy way from Finn. He tried to leave , she stops him. He doesn't know about Arms dealers or the Space horses, Rose knows about both. At the end she tries to blow up the drill, she stops him.

We're going to win this war, not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love.

That is literally what he was trying to do both teams she beat him up.

Finn is far more complex than you give him credit for. You neglect to mention how his entire life has been in either servitude to the First Order, or then to the Resistance. He has no idea how to really think for himself or do anything for himself. He doesn't have a lot of worldly knowledge. Why should we turn him into this powerful, awe inspiring character of virtue when he has no real basis of it? He struggles throughout Last Jedi to understand what his role in ANYTHING really is. He is much better being told what to do. He is, beyond anything else, a soldier.

I like the fact that they play into that. He follows another soldier in Poe, he follows Rose when she comes up with a plan that can help "save the day". I find it interesting how one of the first decisions he legitimately makes himself that is not really informed by ANYONE other than himself (sacrificing himself to stop the drill) is stopped by Rose because SHE didn't want anyone else to sacrifice themselves for the cause.

I think her stopping him isn't so much about Finn being right or wrong, more about Rose taking a stance that eventually if everyone is sacrificing themselves to "win the day", nobody will be left to actually win the day.
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@Jeff_AKA_Snoopy

Did you notice how only a handful of people are left at the end ?, the FO literally wiped out 98% off the resistance, Rose letting the FO enter the base also got more of them killed. Had she not allowed the FO to enter the base more of them could have survived at the end of the day instead of the handful that actually do.

Unlike the OT where the Rebels had a mighty fleet left after both ANH and TESB to launch an attack on Death Star 2 in ROTJ, in TLJ the FO crushes the resistance, this is no "they'll make a come back" in TLJ only a crushing defeat with almost everyone dead.
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Finn could be played by Kevin Hart. The character is essentially the new Jar Jar Binks.

SPOILERS

Oh Meesa gonna suddenly kill my fellow stormtroopers and meesa gonna join the resistance.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

@Jeff_AKA_Snoopy

Did you notice how only a handful of people are left at the end ?, the FO literally wiped out 98% off the resistance, Rose letting the FO enter the base also got more of them killed. Had she not allowed the FO to enter the base more of them could have survived at the end of the day instead of the handful that actually do.

I believe the hope was that other members of the Resistance were coming, at least from Rose' perspective.

I'm not arguing whether she was correct or incorrect. I feel the movie doesn't really ever come to a conclusion worth noting about whether or not personal sacrifice of life is valiant or not in war.

**EPISODE 8 SPOILERS**

- Poe sacrifices dozens of ships to get a small victory, is chastised by Leia.
- Holdo sacrifices dozens of ships to maintain a slim hope for victory, is chastised by Poe.
- Luke refuses to sacrifice himself to "fight" the First order, is chastised by Rey
- Finn refuses to sacrifice his freedom to help the Resistance, is chastised by Rose.

- Holdo sacrifices herself to get a small victory, is praised for her determination.
- Finn attempts to sacrifice his own life to hold off the First Order, is chastised by Rose.
- Luke sacrifices himself to hold off the First Order, is praised for his role (yet hated on by some fans)

I think the movie is not trying to make any concrete "point" on the role of personal sacrifice in war. I think it implies that sacrifice may be needed, but never should be done unless all else is lost.

That's what I got anyways. I felt like they were maybe going for, "Sometimes sacrificing yourself to have a small victory is just you trying to avoid further hardship" or something, but who knows.
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If you have competent leaders and good tactics sacrifices are NOT needed nor do they happen often.

TLJ pretty much beats you over the head with how the poor leadership and tactics of the resistance are why they are so screwed and the ending where they are literally handed a crushing defeat only proves this. If you let idiots be in charge when your good leaders are knocked out or dead then your army will get fucked HARD.

@Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

If you have competent leaders and good tactics sacrifices are NOT needed nor do they happen often.

TLJ pretty much beats you over the head with how the poor leadership and tactics of the resistance are why they are so screwed and the ending where they are literally handed a crushing defeat only proves this. If you let idiots be in charge when your good leaders are knocked out or dead then your army will get fucked HARD.

@Jeff_AKA_Snoopy

.. yeah? It was obvious from the start of episode 8 that they were in a bad way. I mean, hell, even at the end of Episode 6, it's not like the Rebellion just magically took over and everything was wonderful. As Luke put it, there were failures all over the place to allow the First Order to come back into power. The Jedi Order failed, the Rebellion failed. It's not really a story (at the current) about the amazing success of the Resistance. They have failed, a lot.
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The only reason the ST is full of nothing but heroes and returning characters failing is shitty writting.

Even in ANH the rebels were in better shape against the full power of the Empire.

Also another reason Rose Tico is worse then Jar Jar: her preventing people from deserting the resistance. The group is not regular military, they are a militia which means people are free to come and go as they please.

Is deserting wrong ? yes but when shit is really bad sometimes its time to abandon a sinking ship, it is NOT the place of Rose Tico to not allow them to leave.

If the resistance was official military like the Grand Army of The Republic then yes desertion gets you a court martial for going AWOL or desertion.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

The only reason the ST is full of nothing but heroes and returning characters failing is shitty writting.

Even in ANH the rebels were in better shape against the full power of the Empire.

Also another reason Rose Tico is worse then Jar Jar: her preventing people from deserting the resistance. The group is not regular military, they are a militia which means people are free to come and go as they please.

Is deserting wrong ? yes but when shit is really bad sometimes its time to abandon a sinking ship, it is NOT the place of Rose Tico to not all them to leave.

If the resistance was official military like the Grand Army of The Republic then yes desertion gets you a court martial for going AWOL or desertion.

... huh? In ANH, the Rebellion literally was holding on by a thread. Had the Death Star had another 10 seconds, the Rebellion would have been obliterated. And, despite winning against the Death Star, the opening crawl for ESB literally says,

It is a dark time for the Rebellion. Although the Death Star has been destroyed, Imperial troops have driven the Rebel forces from their hidden base and pursued them across the galaxy

It literally calls it a dark time.
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I've never really hated Jar jar, easy vote.

I love the Phantom Menace

you call yourselves fans

real fans bend over for anything and everything. they love the shitty movies and never have criticisms of the thing they worship.

if you aren't gladly eating the shit they feed you, you don't deserve to be a fan at all
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Holy shit I am LOVING the shitrain on TLJ in this thread. Like, I genuinely am enjoying it because I have such trouble putting into words why I thought that movie was so fucking mediocre.

But this all pretty sums it up. Jar Jar was legitimately a better character than one of the stars of TLJ.
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Rose is a qt
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Well let's see: IIRC Jar-Jar was responsible for a Senate motion granting Palpatine the authority to form the empire. Whereas Rose was only responsible for dooming her entire squadron just to save the guy trying to save them, but in the end they still got away. So Jar-Jar is worse.
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FireTemple posted...

Well let's see: IIRC Jar-Jar was responsible for a Senate motion granting Palpatine the authority to form the empire. Whereas Rose was only responsible for dooming her entire squadron just to save the guy trying to save them, but in the end they still got away. So Jar-Jar is worse.

Jar Jar went along with the large number of people thinking that he was doing what was right for everyone in a reasonable and sound (but wrong) way. Rose stopped their only hope at the time. She had no clue Luke would "come' to save the day.
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I don't get why people hate Rose. she was far from the worst thing in Last Jedi. none of my problems with the movie have anything to do with her

I genuinely answered Jar Jar but I havent seen TPM since I was like 11 and thus never really hated him
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Milkman5 posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

This. I'm over Star Wars fans. Y'all don't deserve to be happy.

Imagine still being a fan after all the garbage movies George Lucas has made

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