Current Events > turns out Jordan Peterson is an awful therapist too

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http://www.canadalandshow.com/how-jordan-petersons-fame-affected-his-private-practice/

selected bits:

Shortly before Jordan Peterson decided he couldnt be both a media personality and a practicing psychologist at the same time, he cancelled sessions with patients, later claiming illness, while maintaining an appointment to appear on television; he responded to messages from patients with auto-reply emails which brought up the challenges of his burgeoning fame, directing recipients to send argumentative emails to his ideological opponents; he employed his wife to sort through emails from patients without first asking for their consent; he shared potentially identifying information about patients with other patients; and he twice visited the restaurant where Samantha worked, returning after she had implored him not to, having seemingly forgotten that she worked there.

Samantha continued to see Peterson through early December 2016. At times, she says, they would discuss how his growing celebrity was affecting him.

He was pretty giddy about all this stuff. It was certainly no concern for me. Everything was focused on him.

The month after Samantha left therapy with Jordan Peterson, he showed up with his wife and some guests at the restaurant where she worked, while she was on duty as a server.

She says shed told him the name of the restaurant chain many times, and in one of their final sessions, recalls him asking and her telling him at which of the chains locations she worked.

I burst into tears in the back. Had to be taken off the floor early, she wrote in her complaint. My bosses have never seen any such behaviour from me and took careful note. I did not serve his table. I did not engage him in any way.

The following week, she emailed a request for appointment receipts, so that she could seek reimbursement from her employers benefits program.

It was to the same Gmail address with which theyd communicated throughout their client-therapist relationship, but she received an apparent auto-reply:

. . .

Samantha didnt hear back about the receipts and so tried again three days later.

She got the same auto-reply: I am trying to answer the majority of the emails that I am receiving

She tried again the following week.

Again: I am trying to answer the majority

She responded, THIS IS A HORRIBLE WAY TO TREAT PEOPLE!!!!!

Again: I am trying to answer

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He should stick to college philosophy lectures imho

It's amazing and unsettling how obsessed some people are with him now for purely negative reasons.
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So he went to a restaurant where an old patient worked? The fucking horror . . .
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Bloodychess posted...

It's amazing and unsettling how obsessed some people are with him now for purely negative reasons.

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Who is Jordan Peterson ?
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Bloodychess posted...

It's amazing and unsettling how obsessed some people are with him now for purely negative reasons.

He is the perfect example of liberals not being able to handle someone who's views don't exactly align with theirs. Imagine being that triggered by someone who is just trying to help people with lectures lol
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Bloodychess posted...

It's amazing and unsettling how obsessed some people are with him now for purely negative reasons.

"The people who are obsessed with him and treat him like a prophet that'll save western civilization aren't unsettling, it's the people that don't like him that are the problem"
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Doom_Art posted...


Here's one of them lol, in every Peterson topic up in arms. Now we just need Coxvy and shockmonkey to make their scheduled appearance
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BignutzisBack posted...

in every Peterson topic

wut
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Aaaaaand...Wait for it, wait for it...

Samantha was developing an attraction to Peterson

THERE IT IS.
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Doom_Art posted...

Bloodychess posted...

It's amazing and unsettling how obsessed some people are with him now for purely negative reasons.

"The people who are obsessed with him and treat him like a prophet that'll save western civilization aren't unsettling, it's the people that don't like him that are the problem"

It's possible that both* the daddy issue fanboys and his unreasonable detractors have an unsettling obsession.
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lol why do lefties hate this guy so much, is taking ownership of your life such a scary concept for them
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Romulox28 posted...

lol why do lefties hate this guy so much, is taking ownership of your life such a scary concept for them

He's a traditionally liberal college professor that disagrees with the way the new left is pushing policy. They can't write him off and just call him a fascist, or a Neo-Nazi, or a trumpkin, and they can't claim that he is uneducated given that he's got something like 30 years of social psychology under his belt. That makes him a terrifying opponent for them because they would actually have to engage with his arguments rather than just write him off for his personality. That's why you see so many people in interviews attempting to tie him to the alt-right or some other group that would then let them just wholesale ignore everything he has ever said. Seriously, it's unsettling how many interviews begin with the question "why do you think so many young white right-leaning males watch your YouTube channel?"
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s0nicfan posted...

He's a traditionally liberal

lol
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"Classically liberal" i.e. conservative afraid to come out of the closet

Doom_Art posted...

s0nicfan posted...

He's a traditionally liberal

lol

For example, look at Doom here. He doesn't even make an attempt to argue against the notion that Peterson is also on the left, because that would be difficult. He would much prefer to just laugh at the notion, so he can pretend Peterson is some far-right figure, so that he can just ignore everything Peterson says rather than engage with individual comments.

Edit: and there's another one. Like I said, they desperately want to claim that he's a conservative so that they can just completely ignore his arguments.
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Nah pretty sure liberals hate him because they think he sucks, his views on women and relationships in particular.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

So he went to a restaurant where an old patient worked? The fucking horror . . .

read the article

she stopped seeing him because he was a shitty therapist (FYI this is being generous to him)

he specifically asked which branch of the restaurant she worked at

she had a mental breakdown when she saw him there, tried to get receipts for the therapy sessions so she could file for benefits, and he didn't respond

she asked him specifically not to go to that branch, and he did despite that
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deupd_u posted...

Aaaaaand...Wait for it, wait for it...

Samantha was developing an attraction to Peterson

THERE IT IS.

yes, it's called transference, as the article explains, and it happens sometimes between a patient and their therapist.

he dealt with it horribly though
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Doom_Art posted...

Bloodychess posted...

It's amazing and unsettling how obsessed some people are with him now for purely negative reasons.

"The people who are obsessed with him and treat him like a prophet that'll save western civilization aren't unsettling, it's the people that don't like him that are the problem"

I'd say the real problem are people who are quick to label others as disciples of JP and make up a bunch of crap just because they don't participate the hate parade.
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Bloodychess posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Bloodychess posted...

It's amazing and unsettling how obsessed some people are with him now for purely negative reasons.

"The people who are obsessed with him and treat him like a prophet that'll save western civilization aren't unsettling, it's the people that don't like him that are the problem"

I'd say the real problem are people who are quick to label others as disciples of JP and make up a bunch of crap just because they don't participate the hate parade.

yes, the real problem is the people who recognize this fascist fraud for what he is, not the man himself or his preying on vulnerable people
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averagejoel posted...

An opinion about opinions

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And here's the kicker, Doom. Let's say for argument that you are right and Peterson is actually a conservative who either legitimately thinks or is pretending to be a traditional liberal. Does that automatically make his perspective on issues in his field wrong? People aren't even attempting to hide their superiority complex over the right, to the point that they don't even realize that simply making the argument that somebody is conservative is not actually an argument against the points they're making.
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s0nicfan posted...

Does that automatically make his perspective on issues in his field wrong?

He doesn't actually discuss issues in his field. Hiding behind his authority to justify his other shit is morally bankrupt.

He peddles pseudoscience and you people eat it up because he got into an argument about gender labels.
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Alright I'll agree with you guys.

JP is an absolute monster who worships satan and sacrifices small children in the name of fascism and anti-progressive ideas. Anyone who does so much as try to be rational around topics involving inherently bad and by today's standards, is just as wrong as he is. Hyperbole is the only way to discuss how bad JP is for the world today, and we'll all be better off when we shoo him away.

I'm am being 100% sincere with this post and I hope there is no hard feelings.
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averagejoel posted...

this fascist fraud

In what way is he a fascist? He's a proponent of free expression and opponent of left and right wing identity politics.
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Bloodychess posted...

JP is an absolute monster who worships satan and sacrifices small children in the name of fascism and anti-progressive ideas.

No one said this

Bloodychess posted...

try to be rational around topics involving

He's not particularly rational I'm not sure where this fiction came from
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Doom_Art posted...

He's not particularly rational I'm not sure where this fiction came from

What are your specific criticisms to some of his specific claims, positions, etc? No one here is defending his religious views.

Do you guys have anything other than vague accusations and white knighting for an anon rando with mental health issues?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

some of his specific claims,

I mean I'll make a list later in the day if you'd like but

"Transexual agenda" and the whole business with making a list of "marxist" professors and courses come to mind
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

averagejoel posted...

this fascist fraud

In what way is he a fascist? He's a proponent of free expression and opponent of left and right wing identity politics.

he's not a proponent of free expression or left wing identity politics

one of the things that he's become known for is anti-communist propaganda, with roots in a disinformation campaign in nazi germany

he also has a video lecture where he addresses "the jewish question" and cites race science and IQ as though they're legitimate
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Do you guys have anything other than vague accusations and white knighting for an anon rando with mental health issues?

its so weird how you guys tout his credentials as a reason 'we' can't attack him and fear his mighty intellect, yet evidence of him being bad at his supposed field is dismissed as white knighing

almost like you guys are just going to 'white knight' him regardless of what he says because you're just going to compartmentalize the stuff you do like away from the stuff you don't (like pretending his religious views are separable from his other views on life!)
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Jordan Peterson is the Baus.

averagejoel posted...

proponent of free expression

Going off this and what I said above it's funny how a guy who made a list of professors and courses with his little McCarthyist ploy in mind is seen by some people as a proponent of free speech/expression
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Balrog0 posted...

its so weird how you guys tout his credentials

I did nothing of the sort. Arguments stand on their own merits. If you're going to quote me, respond to me, engage with me, address what I said.

Funny how I asked for specifics and I got 3 different deflections from 3 detractors.

Doom_Art posted...

and the whole business with making a list of "marxist" professors and courses come to mind

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/929748260121583616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https

%3A%2F%2Fwww.insidehighered.com%2Fquicktakes%2F2017%2F11%2F13%2Fprofessor-abandons-plan-list-%25E2%2580%2598neo-marxist-course-content%25E2%2580%2599
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Yes he was told to cut it out by the university

Don't see how that changes what I said?
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s0nicfan posted...

Does that automatically make his perspective on issues in his field wrong?

Sharing personal info about his patients with others is definitely wrong
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averagejoel posted...

he's not a proponent of free expression or left wing identity politics

Jesus can you fucking read? I said he was an opponent of identity politics.

one of the things that he's become known for is anti-communist propaganda, with roots in a disinformation campaign in nazi germany

Wow . . . you're going full commie eh?

he also has a video lecture where he addresses "the jewish question" and cites race science and IQ as though they're legitimate

You mean this? What could you possibly have against any of this?
He derides the question and says there's no conspiracy, they have high IQs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkYqN0iGGjw" data-time="
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I did nothing of the sort.

No, just like I did nothing to talk Peterson up or down either. Its a general you guys, just like yours. Don't be a hypocrite.

I hadn't posted in this topic, but it isn't about Peterson's views. It is about him being a bad therapist. So I was refocusing it on that issue, why are you trying to make us talk about his ideology?

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Funny how I asked for specifics and I got 3 different deflections from 3 detractors.

How is it a deflection to talk about the subject that the topic is about?
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Balrog0 posted...

How is it a deflection to talk about the subject that the topic is about?

Topics evolve. Not every post is necessarily about the thesis. If you quote someone, you should address their quote instead of ignoring the content and pretending the sole question is in the OP.
As for the original subject matter, my concern is with the "too" in the title.
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Doom_Art posted...

averagejoel posted...

proponent of free expression

Going off this and what I said above it's funny how a guy who made a list of professors and courses with his little McCarthyist ploy in mind is seen by some people as a proponent of free speech/expression

he became famous in the first place by claiming, falsely, that he was being silenced.

which reminds me:
https://m.imgur.com/a/nKNdTfq.jpg
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Topics evolve. Not every post is necessarily about the thesis.

yeah, specifically because you ignored the posts directed at you about the topic and then selectively quoted averagejoel about him calling Peterson a fascist in response to another off topic post

yeah topics do evolve but someone had responded to your derision regarding his shitty therapy and you ignored it so its hardly a natural selection
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deupd_u posted...

Aaaaaand...Wait for it, wait for it...

Samantha was developing an attraction to Peterson

THERE IT IS.

Ayyyyye
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Wow . . . you're going full commie eh?

would you care to respond to what I actually said?
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Balrog0 posted...

yeah, specifically because you ignored the posts directed at you about the topic

I didn't ignore it, I dismissed it. The OP is an anonymous claim that frankly doesn't even seem that outrageous. I don't care if he's a shit therapist, his practice isn't why any of us know his name.

but again;

What are your specific criticisms to some of his specific claims, positions, etc?

And so I don't have to spam this, pretend I'm quoting in in response to all your guys' sophistry and deflections from here to post 78.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

but again;
What are your specific criticisms to some of his specific claims, positions, etc?

I don't really care what he says, though. Most of his conclusions with respect to the self-help stuff are perfectly fine to me. The basis on which he argues them is awful, in the sense that it is based on a Jungian/Joseph Campbell style understanding of reality, but who cares?

Frankly the problem I have with him is that you can't really say much about specific claims he makes, because the language he uses is purposefully ambiguous. For instance, saying that dragons really exist but what he means is that they are some kind of existing mental category which stands in for something in the human psyche.

What are you supposed to do with that? Or when he makes a chain of statements about how women desire to be dominated, but then he redefines dominance as competence, and then he asks why wouldn't everyone want a competent partner? If I argued that way, you would rightfully claim I was deflecting or bullshitting.

Then there are issues of simple factual error.

I literally just listened to him blame postmodernism for communist China under Mao, because postmodernism says that human nature is socially constructed and that means you can make it whatever you want. So Mao had to erase the past to create a new China in his image. That's not untrue,it just has nothing to do with postmodernism like he wants it to.

The Great Leap is almost an explicitly modernist idea that tried to recreate society to be compatible with the new modern based on a grand vision, and definitely not a postmodernist one, which would reject the grand re-imagining of society based on these specific ideologies of the past, something like this betrays a deep misunderstanding of the subjects he's discussing. Which wouldn't be so bad except he uses this kind of rhetoric to tie postmodernist philosophers in the academy to Mao by using this example of postmodern thinking that he pulled out of his ass.

Which I doubt you actually care about, right? Since it isn't central to his over-arching point regarding leftists and the threat they represent to western society? The issue is that these kind of errors pile up when he discusses society and the history of political thought and I can't watch every 2.5 hour video he has.
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^ One of Peterson's "rules for life" is "be precise in your speech," but man is he ever not. Like, there's an understandable desire for nuance and context, but at a certain point, if your defenders are constantly imploring people to "watch the whole vid" and "no, that's not what he means, that was taken out of context," Peterson bears some blame for the obfuscations and the ambiguous way he talks.

One might get the impression that he was purposefully layering his points behind hypotheticals and "just asking questions" so that he has an out for when people call him on the dumb shit he regularly says.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

averagejoel posted...

this fascist fraud

In what way is he a fascist? He's a proponent of free expression and opponent of left and right wing identity politics.

The meaning of words don't matter to TC.
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