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I've never gotten the hate for Knights/Generals, unless you care about ranks. TC is not doing a ranked run, so feel free to use Oswin as much as you like.
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Kircheis posted...

The_Juice_ posted...

Gheb posted...

dancers always want boots.

Not in FE7 where you have two different dancers for chunks of the game, boots are much better spent on a unit you actually keep the entire time.

Ninian and Nils are functionally the exact same unit. Same stats, same inventory. If you put 'em on Ninian, they'll still be in play with Nils.

I played the game a ton and never knew that, huh
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Azardea posted...

I've never gotten the hate for Knights/Generals, unless you care about ranks. TC is not doing a ranked run, so feel free to use Oswin as much as you like.

I just find that they eventually fall behind. Not only because their terrible move makes it hard for them to literally keep up, but because their low speed makes it harder for them to get as many kills, despite their high strength. And as good a class as general is with their caps and all. Knight is probably the worst class in the game.

That said, Oswin is about as good a knight as they come because of his high starting level and bases gives him a pretty sizable head start over everyone. So keeping up isn't as hard and scoring kills is easier.
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Azardea posted...

I've never gotten the hate for Knights/Generals, unless you care about ranks. TC is not doing a ranked run, so feel free to use Oswin as much as you like.

What if I don't care about ranks and I still don't like Knights/Generals? They usually can't double, which makes their damage output weaker in the long run than units that can double, and his low movement makes him less flexible than units that can still take a hit without having to sacrifice movement. If I really wanted a dedicated tank I'd sooner use Lowen. I may shit on that guy's offensive growths, but at least he has decent base speed combined with a lower level, giving him more opportunities early on to improve that speed, and he doesn't sacrifice movement or partial WTC just to fill the role of tank. Again, I don't care about ranks or low turn counts, but I still think it's always better to have the option to rush when a map requires rushing. For that reason alone I tend to bench Knights when their high durability ceases to make up for low movement.
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You guys are acting like Oswins purpose is to charge ahead and score kills. He's meant to safely bait the enemy while dealing large damage so another unit can safely finish them off. There are also plenty of 'hold the line' chapters in the game that he excels at.

And to TC, Rebecca is awesome, despite what the gba Archer haters will say. She dodge tanks everything and becomes a fantastic player phase unit.
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I really like Rebecca so far. I've been trying to feed her as much as I can.

doomcrusader posted...

You guys are acting like Oswins purpose is to charge ahead and score kills.

I dunno where you got that idea considering he's being shit on specifically for not being able to do that. But whatever, you like armor knights, I don't like armor knights. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.
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ArthasReborn posted...

It might be a controversial opinion but I'm glad they did away with weapon durability in Fates because of stuff like that.

I don't like it. The detrimental stats on good weapons makes them a lot less good. Rather just have the armsthrift skill.
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Oswin is worth using at least once (preferably in a normal mode playthrough) simply because GBA General animations are amazing.
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Oswin is worth using forever because he is one of the best units

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Oswin is worth using forever because he is one of the best units

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LightHawKnight posted...

ArthasReborn posted...

It might be a controversial opinion but I'm glad they did away with weapon durability in Fates because of stuff like that.

I don't like it. The detrimental stats on good weapons makes them a lot less good. Rather just have the armsthrift skill.

I agree. I liked having truly devastating weapons with the downside being that you can't use them forever.

And think of it from a balance perspective. Imagine Wolf Beil functioned like starting Prf weapons in Awakening or Fates where it had unlimited uses. You would have an halberd-hammer combo in a game loaded with mounted lancing-using enemies and a fair share of armored lance-wielding bosses and a single weapon to obliterate them all. Hector would become even more over-powered than he already is. It'd destroy balance and they'd have to nerf the weapon with either no effective damage (like the Yato) or effective damage against a largely irrelevant enemy (like Chrom's Falchion). Instead you get a weapon that is super useful for at least 20 kills against an important enemy type so long as you are reasonable with its usage. That to me is way more useful than Chrom's Falchion.

Same goes for ultimate weapons. I'd much rather have 25 hits of full-powered Basilikos rampage than have it be unbreakable but have it destroy my offense afterwards.

Silver weapons are even worse in Fates. If you have a silver weapon equipped on enemy phase your stats might get so destroyed that the unit is useless for the rest of the map.
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Gheb posted...

Instead you get a weapon that is super useful for at least 20 kills against an important enemy type so long as you are reasonable with its usage.

That would be great if you didn't have to jump through several hoops to unequip the damn thing after you use it, lest you waste all its charges on a horde of Brigands on enemy phase.
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Frostshock posted...

Gheb posted...

Instead you get a weapon that is super useful for at least 20 kills against an important enemy type so long as you are reasonable with its usage.

That would be great if you didn't have to jump through several hoops to unequip the damn thing after you use it, lest you waste all its charges on a horde of Brigands on enemy phase.

But that's where reasonable use comes into play. You have to weigh if killing that Paladin is worth it, even if it means you might be blowing two uses on the cavaliers that accompany it.

And I can't imagine too many scenarios where brigands and mounted/armored units seem to be around each other.
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Sword of seals having only 25 uses was the worst offender. Especially since it makes Roy viable and even good for the final few chapters of the game.
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Kircheis posted...

I dunno where you got that idea considering he's being s*** on specifically for not being able to do that.

That's... exactly what he means. You're shitting on him for not being able to do something that isn't his job, while judging him as if it should be.
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I'm just a collector and think the unique weapons have style points and wanna use them, but don't wanna break them. Like, they're that units unique weapon, it shouldn't break.

Popcorn_Fairy posted...

I'm just a collector and think the unique weapons have style points and wanna use them, but don't wanna break them. Like, they're that units unique weapon, it shouldn't break.

But they are usually ancient weapons that really shouldn't have much durability anymore.
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But they're badass!

marthsheretoo posted...

Kircheis posted...

I dunno where you got that idea considering he's being s*** on specifically for not being able to do that.

That's... exactly what he means. You're shitting on him for not being able to do something that isn't his job, while judging him as if it should be.

Oswin's job is to be a tank. Lowen's job is also to be a tank, while also having good movement and full WTC if he promotes. Oswin's role can be filled just as satisfactorily by a unit with superior movement and WTC. Oswin is entirely redundant, even in Eliwood's earliest defense chapters, which both offer incentives to play them more like rout maps. I wouldn't be so hard on him if Lowen didn't exist, but Lowen does exist, so I am gonna be hard on Oswin.
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Lowen is also best Paladin.
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I like Lowen's hair.

I just recruited some Guy.

Now if you want a truly disappointing unit, Guy is your man. He'll double anyone he fights but put up pathetic damage. Although swordmasters are still a fun class to use, so go ahead if you want.
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Don't get me started on Guy. Such a cool character and yet an epic disappointment
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Guy is quite good in HHM if you kill Raven instead of recruiting him.
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Frostshock posted...

Guy is quite good in HHM if you kill Raven instead of recruiting him.

Raven is straight up one of my all time favorite FE units. Dude's a beast
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My favorite GBA Myrmidon (that isn't named Rutger) is Joshua. Because IntSys knew they weren't going to ever make Swordmasters as broken as Rutger again, so instead of making him a slightly better but still not the best combat unit, you can make him a utility unit that can defend himself if he needs to.
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Kircheis posted...

Swordmasters as broken as Rutger again

Don't you mean Mareeta

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Kircheis posted...

Swordmasters as broken as Rutger again

Don't you mean Mareeta

Ayra was the original overpowered SNES Swordmaster though. And don't even get me started on Lex-Larcei bro. Also Shannan because legendary weapons were just obscene in FE4.
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Ira is overrated. Sucky growths and in the game where horses are superior

Mareeta is untouchable and murders everyone with dumb bases and growths and one of the best personal weapons in the series

Kircheis posted...

Also Shannan because legendary weapons were just obscene in FE4.

He's not cute though

Kircheis posted...

My favorite GBA Myrmidon (that isn't named Rutger) is Joshua. Because IntSys knew they weren't going to ever make Swordmasters as broken as Rutger again, so instead of making him a slightly better but still not the best combat unit, you can make him a utility unit that can defend himself if he needs to.

The class has continued to get nerfed, now hasn't it?

FE6's 30% critical was way too obscene though, clearly they didn't test the ramifications enough. That number is enough to make every Swordmaster/Berserker 'pretty good' at a minimum. Even Garret, who's supposed to be pretty bad, still maintains passable offense.

By the way, oh look, we have MarthKoopa here to pollute the topic with Thracia propaganda yet again. Just like most FE topics on CE.
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TheMarthKoopa posted...

Sucky growths

A gen 1 FE4 unit has bad growths, stop the presses! Didn't stop her from murdering anything dumb enough to pick a fight with her due to gen 1 having weaker enemies overall. It is a shame about being an infantry unit in Horse Emblem though, I will give you that.
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I don't plan on sticking with Guy. Don't really care for him.

I've had this game for 15 years, recently started it up, and FINALLY got my first good Lyn.
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Lyn existing and being kinda mandatory hurts Guy a lot. Both aren't particularly good and I'd argue that Guy is better. But he isn't better enough to offset Lyn being kinda mandatory and you definitely don't need to underpowered dodgy sword infantry units.
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I like to take Lyn through LHM and save scum a bit on the first two chapters to give her a few extra points of str/def.

Helps a lot tbh
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"Oh Serra, you're the last person I wanted to see."

"Oh, that's so sweet, you wanted to see me!"

Serra is amazing.

Popcorn_Fairy posted...

"Oh Serra, you're the last person I wanted to see."

"Oh, that's so sweet, you wanted to see me!"

Serra is amazing.

One of my favorite quotes in the whole series.
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Failed out of this map quite a few times so far. Forgot I can Rescue Green Units, so lost a few because of that. Then I lost one thanks to Pirates. Then I put too much faith in Lowen and he got it. Then Rebecca got swarmed, dodge tanked most of it, but then got taken out.

doomcrusader posted...

One of my favorite quotes in the whole series.

It might be my favorite recruitment scene.

That's a good map for Hector and Eliwood to use their special weapons. They're effective against cavs and cavs tend to be some of the more difficult enemies in that game. Using the Wolf Beil against Erik is particularly satisfying.
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Alright, I'll try throwing Hector into the mix.

Eliwood doesn't have a special though. Just a Rapier and an iron sword I gave him.

The rapier has the same properties as the wolf beil
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Rapier is Eliwood's unique weapon.

Yes, it is that underwhelming.
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Rapier is strong against cavs and knights.
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He doesn't get anything? Just the rapier? Nothing unique? Wow that's a letdown.

He'll get a legendary weapon late game.
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Popcorn_Fairy posted...

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He doesn't get anything? Just the rapier? Nothing unique? Wow that's a letdown.

Rapier being the exclusive weapon of the main character is kind of a tradition in Fire Emblem, it was like that for most of the earlier games
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Well, I know Rapier is a Lord thing. But poor Eliwood here is stuck with a Rapier while Lyn and Hector run around swinging badass uniques.

Rapier would be a pretty badass weapon in other games (well, it *is* a pretty badass weapon in other games) where the effective damage multiplier is 3, but the English release of FE7 changed it to 2 for some reason. So weapons that get bonus damage against specific enemy types are much weaker than usual, made even worse when you have face weapon triangle disadvantage (which you always do against knights and usually do against cavaliers). Rapier ends up way wimpier than it should be as a result.
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