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electricbugs2
06/04/18 3:31:38 PM
#51:


Doom_Art posted...
electricbugs2 posted...
"Luke is nothing like he was in NJO!" (This one makes me so pissed, no shit, NJO Luke was shit, Star Wars doesn't need a Goku)

Yeah that's the most annoying one for me too

Like sorry they went in a different direction and didn't make your little power fantasy canon

It's like Star Wars fans think actors don't age.

People actually wanted Ford playing young Solo, like Christ get over it.

So glad that Glover was well received as Lando, he looks and acts just like him, but he's the exception for these people it seems.
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CyricZ
06/04/18 3:33:06 PM
#52:


Doom_Art posted...
The franchise definitely doesn't feel as special anymore


No I hear ya. To be honest this is really uncharted ground for Star Wars as a whole. The "standard", as it were, were movies three years apart, and then whatever extra stuff they wanted to put in in different formats. In the 80s it was a couple of animated series, a holiday special, and a made for TV movie. Then the 90s came and it was video games and lots of books plus some Dark Horse comics. Then during the prequels it was more books, more video games, and then the CG animated series.

Now the films have a priority focus, and we've got four within three and a half years. Sure, there's books and the animated series, but it all seems so ancillary to what the next movie will be.

Remember how they're constantly wanting to try a live-action series? Do you still think that's doable?
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Doom_Art
06/04/18 3:38:20 PM
#53:


electricbugs2 posted...
It's like Star Wars fans think actors don't age.

It's so weird. Like come on, I love Mark Hamill but if he got up on screen and started doing flips and crushing AT-ATs with his mind and shit it'd look fucking ridiculous

electricbugs2 posted...
People actually wanted Ford playing young Solo, like Christ get over it.


Oh my fucking god that's right lol

"But you can de-age him with CGI!"

That'd have been fucking awful

This is going a ways back, but people said the same thing when X-Men: First Class was announced

"But you can just get Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellen to play their young selves!"

electricbugs2 posted...
So glad that Glover was well received as Lando, he looks and acts just like him, but he's the exception for these people it seems.

Hell, most people even seem to have come around to Han's new actor

Which is good, because he was damn solid
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electricbugs2
06/04/18 3:42:56 PM
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Agreed. Solo was the Star Wars movie I wanted to see, just thought it would be called Boba Fett or Star Wars:Underworld or whatever.

Damn good actors in that movie, but I get why a lot of people are mixed, it's very different. If it wasn't called Star Wars you could easily mistake it as "Outlaw space western movie 101" aside from the cameo at the end.
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N3xtG3nGam3r
06/04/18 3:44:28 PM
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@Doom_Art

First off, i want to say thanks, for having a level head, and actually wanting to talk about this like an adult.

To address your first point--yes, maybe not in so many words, but yes they basically did say that.

About the YT vids--Now here i cant tell you exactly what came first, but backlash hit the morning after its midnight release, and people had reviews up that same night, and Lucasfilm and the directors/actors all on Twitter and other social media basically took it that route first to my knowledge. Because when i saw the movie, there WERE some political and social agenda shit implanted in the movie, but i wasnt able to put my finger on it until it was pointed out. I knew something was off with certain things, but it probably wasnt until the second weekend that i started seeing anything about Lucasfilm pushing any sort of agenda on YT.

We can compare Rey and Luke if you'd like, but there is no comparison. Anyway, we will start with Anakin. Anakin was the chosen one, and the prophecy is talked about before-hand, so when you see him in the 2nd and 3rd movie after years of training and hes a badass, thats not really even close. But back to Luke...He blew up the first Deathstar, yes, but thats it. Its alluded that hes strong with the force, and that hes a good pilot, and shoots small targets all the time on his moisture farm growing up--so add in a little luck, and its far from unbelievable, or seeming like things were handed to him. In ESB, he trains with Yoda for what doesnt seem like a long time in the movie, but is supposedly at least a couple months (ive heard), faces Vader (who toys with him) and is defeated losing a limb. It isnt until the 3rd movie that he is actually able to go toe-to-toe with Vader and give in to his hate that he defeats him.

Rey on the other hand...is a junker/scavenger, has never been in combat or shot a gun, or even knew what the force was until TLJ. Yet here she is, hitting storm-troopers easily with her blaster the first shot she takes, has no idea what the force is, yet uses a mind trick on a storm-trooper, and just before that force probes Kylo's mind. Then she picks up a lightsaber and defeats Ben Solo, who is not only a powerful force user trained in light and dark side force powers, but trained under the Jedi Master Luke Skywalker himself in both force powers and lightsaber combat. Then she gets 1 and a half (not even two full ones) lessons from Luke, before attacking and basically defeating him before she takes off to try and turn Kylo back to Ben, and then again, fights the Praetorian Guards and ends up doing better than Kylo Ren, even saving him at the very end, and then getting into an equal force struggle with him that she technically wins (in my opinion, because shes awake before him and gets the saber) and then at the very end lifts not one little rock, not two little rocks, not even one big rock, but almost an entire fucking mountain of rocks that definitely are bigger than a fucking X-Wing (that luke had trouble with, and even Yoda had a tiny bit of trouble with to an extent) with no training whatsoever in how to even use the force to do so.

Remember, TFA and TLJ are like all happening within a week and a half period.

Everything is just given to her man, she doesnt work for anything. There is no development. I went through quite a bit, but honestly, there are breakdown videos online of people making these comparisons and doing a much better job at it than me, so you ought to look into one of those.

As far as the last point goes, look at Avengers Infinity War--movie is a masterpiece, and for basically every marvel movie theyve made previous to IW, they listened to the fans. I wasnt saying they need to make a fanservicey movie, just that they should take fan input into consideration, and not dismiss it. This is a 6 movie franchise that is 40 years old, and has hundreds of millions of fans.
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Doom_Art
06/04/18 3:50:37 PM
#57:


CyricZ posted...
Now the films have a priority focus, and we've got four within three and a half years. Sure, there's books and the animated series, but it all seems so ancillary to what the next movie will be.

Yeah that's definitely it. The EU and the films themselves have suffered because of the current model Disney is using.

Like you'd have shit like Tales of the Jedi, Shadows of the Empire, Republic (the comic series), and Force Unleashed that were big multimedia events in their own right

Now there's maybe a handful of comics and a book once a year maybe to promote the latest movie.

CyricZ posted...
Remember how they're constantly wanting to try a live-action series? Do you still think that's doable?

I wonder why they haven't already. Serialized television and storytelling is IN right now, there's been a glut of successful sci-fi shows over the last few years, and with GoT ending there's room for the next big thing.

I wonder if the failure of Solo means that either the Rian Johnson trilogy or the Dan and Dave trilogy will get changed into a show?

Apparently Jon Favreau is doing a live action series
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Mister_Spyker
06/04/18 3:54:54 PM
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I liked TLJ, and didn't feel like it had any SJW agenda. But that might be because I'm not american and don't have tunnelvision to the point of seeing politics in every single little thing that I look at.
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Cleo_II
06/04/18 3:57:19 PM
#59:


CyricZ posted...
Cleo_II posted...
male

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My husband is Hispanic lol and basically none of those things.

Hey no judgment, Cleo. :)

LOL
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masterpug53
06/04/18 4:25:31 PM
#60:


N3xtG3nGam3r posted...
a bunch of basement dwelling neckbeards''


Kuckleen Kennedy.


I mean, if the shoe fits...
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dave_is_slick
06/04/18 5:02:19 PM
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Cornmuffins posted...
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can you use words @Pillowpantz ?


It's SMAL, what do you think?

Jesus, another alt??
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N3xtG3nGam3r
06/04/18 5:40:50 PM
#62:


masterpug53 posted...
N3xtG3nGam3r posted...
a bunch of basement dwelling neckbeards''


Kuckleen Kennedy.


I mean, if the shoe fits...


I know theres quite a bit to read through up to this point, but had you read through everything, youd see it is established that Lucasfilm, Directors, and KK initiated the bashing after the movie wasnt well received.

It wasnt until the picture of the force is female shirts KK was wearing and they started making claims about neckbeards being scared of strong women and bigots opposed to diversity BS that fans started analyzing the movie for political and social underpinnings.

Point being there was no basis for any of those claims when they made them other than they initiated self defense and PR spin mode due to negative reviews.
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refmon
06/04/18 6:28:38 PM
#63:


Pillowpantz posted...
Doom_Art posted...
what's her agenda


809AMPX

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N3xtG3nGam3r
06/04/18 6:42:26 PM
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Darmik
06/04/18 6:47:53 PM
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While I think TLJ had some sort of impact I really don't think it's the cause of Solo being so low.

I think people forget that most people aren't invested in these movies compared to the die hard fans. I think the concept of Solo just wasn't overall appealing. People thought this long before TLJ came out.

It also would have to me the least marketed Star Wars movie of all time. Usually I see all sorts of Star Wars branded stuff around the release. Not this time.
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N3xtG3nGam3r
06/04/18 8:07:50 PM
#66:


electricbugs2 posted...
Agreed. Solo was the Star Wars movie I wanted to see, just thought it would be called Boba Fett or Star Wars:Underworld or whatever.

Damn good actors in that movie, but I get why a lot of people are mixed, it's very different. If it wasn't called Star Wars you could easily mistake it as "Outlaw space western movie 101" aside from the cameo at the end.


I bet L337 was your favorite part of the movie, wasnt it?

My favorite part was when L337 gets shot..and then ripped in half when they tried to pick her up. I laughed out loud, and was legitimately happy after that.

That droid was up there with Jar-Jar Binks and Rose Tico...maybe even more annoying than Jar-Jar, and definitely more forced than Rose.
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N3xtG3nGam3r
06/04/18 8:13:40 PM
#67:


Darmik posted...
While I think TLJ had some sort of impact I really don't think it's the cause of Solo being so low.

I think people forget that most people aren't invested in these movies compared to the die hard fans. I think the concept of Solo just wasn't overall appealing. People thought this long before TLJ came out.

It also would have to me the least marketed Star Wars movie of all time. Usually I see all sorts of Star Wars branded stuff around the release. Not this time.


I think you're right about commercials and stuff like that, but they definitely launched just as many toys to go with the movie as they do the normal ones. Theres a new Millennium Falcon thats $100--only fits one person in the cockpit, laying down lol--as well as a LEGO version that is nearly to scale, and is like $800. I havent seen a LEGO video game pop up on the App store yet, so i dont know if theyre even making one. TBH it would be pretty boring if they made it a game.

Theyre calling the new Falcon the Millennial Falcon. Lol.
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Evolician
06/05/18 5:31:53 PM
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au_gold
06/05/18 5:34:54 PM
#69:


RIP Star Wars
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Delirious_Beard
06/05/18 5:46:28 PM
#71:


how have i never tagged this nextgengam3r guy

is he new here?
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lilJoe457
06/05/18 6:40:23 PM
#73:


N3xtG3nGam3r posted...
The Last Jedi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QJRw56cOVw" data-time="


Soylo: A Soy Wars Soyry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bQbYmLAZ_k" data-time="


These are comedy gold.

This guy does a great job of breaking down why these movies are complete garbage. He even has a 3 part complete breakdown of TLJ where each part is over an hour long.


Fuck. I wish I didn't watch this.
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Darmik
06/05/18 6:44:07 PM
#74:


Goats posted...
If people are already suffering from Star Wars fatigue, it's solely because of the writers and directors they keep putting in charge of the movies. The MCU is still going strong and has been doing their thing for longer than Disney Star Wars has been at it. Fans can't get enough of Marvel. Even the shittiest portions of the MCU are still better than Solo or TLJ. There's something festering at the heart of Star Wars. It could be doing so much better.

And get EA away from the video games for god sakes, we deserve a quality gaming experience when we get home from the latest Star Wars installment. Not barely concealed loot box generators ralts


MCU is pretty different. You could dislike something like Thor but like Ant-man for instance. Something like Black Panther or Infinity War can never be done in Star Wars.

Star Wars is much more limited when it comes to its concept. It's always going to be a sci-fi movie.
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DarthAragorn
06/05/18 8:38:13 PM
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It'll always be sci fi but there's a shitload they could do within the sci fi setting.
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Darmik
06/05/18 8:45:50 PM
#76:


DarthAragorn posted...
It'll always be sci fi but there's a shitload they could do within the sci fi setting.


Sure. But it's always going to appeal to that same audience.

Marvel can branch out a lot more. They can have a movie set in an another galaxy just like Star Wars and they can also have a movie set in a real city that more grounded.

Hell look at the other superhero franchises in general compared to space sci-fi ones. Even the last Star Trek movie bombed. My wife likes most Marvel movies but no Star Wars movie will ever appeal to her because the setting just doesn't interest her. There's nothing they can do about that.

It'll be interesting to see a Star Wars spin-off that isn't tied to any established characters but that's never been common with the franchise.
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Dustin1280
06/05/18 9:32:51 PM
#77:


while nextgengamer goes all out on his claims...

Rey is 100% a mary sue and therefore boring, i don't know why people seem to disagree with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvDso1B2_I8" data-time="


Luke made FAR more mistakes and was trained by jedi.

Anakin at least had a backstory, was also trained by jedi, and even he wasn't as amazing as Rei is at basically anything she ever does with little to no training at all (unless of course all that training comes from her "mysterious past")

Rey's backstory is effectively "her past is a mystery so she is good at everything all the time"

I'm not so sure I agree with Star Wars if full of feminist agenda's and ruining everything. But Rey being a mary sue is w/o question true.
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