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frogman_295
06/04/18 1:11:22 AM
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do i get some kind of encouragement of some fashion from liberals who protect my right to freedom of religion?

You know, hypothetically speaking, if i were a homophobe...
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chill02
06/04/18 1:12:08 AM
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buy a new religion
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thronedfire2
06/04/18 1:15:31 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76670485
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catboy0_0
06/04/18 1:15:39 AM
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frogman_295
06/04/18 1:17:38 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76670485

please don't tear me down in this time of need, friend. i need some sort of brownie points awarded to me for my predicament.
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Forlorn_Ass
06/04/18 1:18:15 AM
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If youre a Muslim the liberals will let it slide, not if youre Christian though.
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frogman_295
06/04/18 1:22:06 AM
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Forlorn_Ass posted...
If youre a Muslim the liberals will let it slide, not if youre Christian though.

Are you sure? That seems pretty racist and counter-intuitive from a liberal standpoint.
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DarthDemented
06/04/18 1:22:54 AM
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Is that you in the corner?
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metralo
06/04/18 1:22:55 AM
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frogman_295 posted...
Forlorn_Ass posted...
If youre a Muslim the liberals will let it slide, not if youre Christian though.

Are you sure? That seems pretty racist and counter-intuitive from a liberal standpoint.

probably because it doesn't happen
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ThyCorndog
06/04/18 1:23:34 AM
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get a religion that doesn't make you hate people
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Dash_Harber
06/04/18 1:24:27 AM
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You are free to be a homophobe if you choose. You are not, however, allowed to persecute homosexuals or violate anyone else's freedom based on their sexuality. And I am well within my freedom to criticize your words and choose not to associate you if I think you aren't worth talking to. Me criticizing you is not the same as me advocating for your arrest based on those criticisms.
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frogman_295
06/04/18 1:27:30 AM
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ThyCorndog posted...
get a religion that doesn't make you hate people

It seems counter-intuitive to just "switch what i believe" and suffer an eternity in hell..., all because you, a mere mortal man have given me a recommendation. Have you heard of Pascal's wager, friend?
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ThyCorndog
06/04/18 1:28:30 AM
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call me a mere mortal one more time
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LinksLiege
06/04/18 1:29:59 AM
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frogman_295 posted...
It seems counter-intuitive to just "switch what i believe" and suffer an eternity in hell.

If you switch what you believe, you won't be worried about that hell.

Win/win :o
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Dash_Harber
06/04/18 1:31:39 AM
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I'm not sure why you think Freedom of Religion and a person being against homophobia conflict.
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Letron_James
06/04/18 1:35:36 AM
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Its possible to not agree with homosexuality in principal while being non-discriminatory towards homosexuals.
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frogman_295
06/04/18 1:37:45 AM
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ThyCorndog posted...
call me a mere mortal one more time

you are a mere-mortal man.
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frogman_295
06/04/18 1:39:18 AM
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Letron_James posted...
Its possible to not agree with homosexuality in principal while being non-discriminatory towards homosexuals.


o.k. this line of thought seems promising, but I will have to consult my holy bible first before taking verbal defecation from a mere-mortal.
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Maamspreader
06/04/18 1:48:49 AM
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frogman_295 posted...
Forlorn_Ass posted...
If youre a Muslim the liberals will let it slide, not if youre Christian though.

Are you sure? That seems pretty racist and counter-intuitive from a liberal standpoint.

You are given several tools to defend yourself on the topic of homophobia if you are Muslim. Things like cultural relativism, moral relativism, and anti-colonialism will allow you to shift the blame from your flawed morals to the western perception of your morals because of their own colored lenses.

Then you can scold them for acting like their western cultures and values are superior to yours because they are god damn imperialist trying to erase your identity and take away your agency of free thought.

Muslims never accepted the universal declaration of human rights but instead created their own cairo declaration on human rights in Islam because they put religion above freedom, and it's the responsibility of the west to not act like colonizers and respect the agency of Muslims
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IloveJesus
06/04/18 1:49:52 AM
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frogman_295 posted...
Have you heard of Pascal's wager, friend?


Pascal's wager is ridiculous.
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masticatingman
06/04/18 1:52:16 AM
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If you follow one of the three main Abrahamic religions, well, they all have sections in their holy books that more or less condemn homosexuality. But they also condemn plenty of other things too, most of which dont receive nearly as much attention today, since theyre either odd/obscure or are hugely prevalent. At least in Judaism/Christianity, being an adulterer is singled out much more as a sin than engaging in homosexual relationships - it even made the Ten Commandments.
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FrenchCrunch
06/04/18 1:52:23 AM
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if your religion espouses hate, i will criticize it
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Medussa
06/04/18 2:00:31 AM
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IloveJesus posted...
frogman_295 posted...
Have you heard of Pascal's wager, friend?


Pascal's wager is ridiculous.


basically. it suggests the choice is between belief/salvation and disbelief/damnation. but it's not. it's a choice between thousands of beliefs, only one of which leads to salvation. it's not the coinflip it's made out to be, but russian roulette with only one blank.
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IloveJesus
06/04/18 2:07:29 AM
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Medussa posted...
IloveJesus posted...
frogman_295 posted...
Have you heard of Pascal's wager, friend?


Pascal's wager is ridiculous.


basically. it suggests the choice is between belief/salvation and disbelief/damnation. but it's not. it's a choice between thousands of beliefs, only one of which leads to salvation. it's not the coinflip it's made out to be, but russian roulette with only one blank.


Fair point but that's not even it.

The thing I find ridiculous is that if you need to use Pascal's wager to justify your belief, you don't actually believe. You just pretend to because you think it will get you into heaven if you're wrong. Which is insane. You're trying to fool an omniscient God.
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KamenRiderBlade
06/04/18 2:09:03 AM
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Maamspreader posted...
You are given several tools to defend yourself on the topic of homophobia if you are Muslim. Things like cultural relativism, moral relativism, and anti-colonialism will allow you to shift the blame from your flawed morals to the western perception of your morals because of their own colored lenses.

Then you can scold them for acting like their western cultures and values are superior to yours because they are god damn imperialist trying to erase your identity and take away your agency of free thought.

Muslims never accepted the universal declaration of human rights but instead created their own cairo declaration on human rights in Islam because they put religion above freedom, and it's the responsibility of the west to not act like colonizers and respect the agency of Muslims
And we have a right to not recognize their "Cairo Declaration on Human Rights" and tell them to adapt to our "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" as well!!!
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DoomSwell
06/04/18 2:59:50 AM
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The bible in particular says a bunch of sexist garbage we ignore, as well as stuff like working on sunday and wearing clothes of different fabrics.

That said, I don't think such a hateful god is worth worshiping. I rather believe he's as loving as he's supposed to be and loves my neighbors; gay or female.
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KamenRiderBlade
06/04/18 3:02:07 AM
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DoomSwell posted...
The bible in particular says a bunch of sexist garbage we ignore, as well as stuff like working on sunday and wearing clothes of different fabrics.

That said, I don't think such a hateful god is worth worshiping. I rather believe he's as loving as he's supposed to be and loves my neighbors; gay or female.
The bible was written by man who is very fallible. I wouldn't take every single writing in it seriously.

You need to use your brain, analyze each bit, and compare & contrast with modern ethics and see what makes sense.

There is no reason why God couldn't have created Evolution.

There is no reason why God couldn't have created Humans to have Non Cis-Gendered folks.

If God is as Almighty & Infallible as he is supposed to be, maybe it is us normies who don't understand why things exists as they are.
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Lord_Shadow
06/04/18 4:08:36 AM
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God and religion in general is fake news so you really have no right to treat gay people like shit for religious reasons
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008Zulu
06/04/18 4:14:02 AM
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If your religion is anti-gay, then it's a shit religion.
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catboy0_0
06/04/18 4:14:31 AM
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antigay is heresy
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Touch
06/04/18 4:18:17 AM
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A great and holy God that loves all man

Except the man that loves another man that God also loves
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MrMallard
06/04/18 4:26:58 AM
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I can respect your religion, but if you use blind faith to espouse homophobic rhetoric then I sure as fuck don't respect you. If your particular religious sect is known for being shitty compared to the more mainstream counterpart, like fundie Christians compared to more modern-thinking Christianity, then I respect your faith on a base level but reject the path you've been following.

Religion on a base level is fine. I can respect religion, and your right to it. But if your sect is particularly shitty, or if you're just some blindly faithful jackass who uses the faith to excuse shitty behavior, then you can fuck off.
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MrMallard
06/04/18 4:28:19 AM
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Touch posted...
A great and holy God that loves all man

Except the man that loves another man that God also loves

"Hey dude, we can't love the same guy. That's gay."
- God, Romans 13:27
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DarkTransient
06/04/18 5:01:38 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
You are free to be a homophobe if you choose. You are not, however, allowed to persecute homosexuals or violate anyone else's freedom based on their sexuality. And I am well within my freedom to criticize your words and choose not to associate you if I think you aren't worth talking to. Me criticizing you is not the same as me advocating for your arrest based on those criticisms.


^ This.
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SavenForever
06/04/18 5:45:55 AM
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Then you can't think for yourself like a lot of religious people do.
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ThyCorndog
06/04/18 9:35:51 AM
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frogman_295 posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
call me a mere mortal one more time

you are a mere-mortal man.

you've done it now
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KamenRiderBlade
06/04/18 10:09:53 AM
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ThyCorndog posted...
frogman_295 posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
call me a mere mortal one more time

you are a mere-mortal man.

you've done it now
You know pride is one of the 7 deadly sins.

There's nothing wrong with being a "Mere Mortal man".
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hollow_shrine
06/04/18 10:26:43 AM
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Religious belief doesn't absolve you of the impact of your decisions, more so when you consider people pick and choose parts of their faith all the time, in accordance to their own personal ethics.

So no, your faith doesn't make you homophobic.You're making that choice.
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KamenRiderBlade
06/04/18 11:59:55 AM
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16-BITTER posted...
Pretty sure if God loves all men that makes him gay
That makes him Omni-Sexual.

He loves all of creation.
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