Poll of the Day > Samantha Bee called Ivanka Trump the C-WORD!

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I assume that at some point this clip was online unbleeped?

Anyway, she didn't offend me, but I'm surprised that someone like her wouldn't know that lots of women get really offended whenever that word is used as an insult.

was she on ambien?

is that a common insult in the uk
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Shes right. Ivanka as a mother should be getting her father to not rip children from their parents. It causes massive damage and that's scientifically proven.

Wow. When you start throwing insults at a Trump and even CNN denounces your actions, you really messed up.
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When insults are breaking news but ruining peoples lives are not.

Lil69Leo posted...

When insults are breaking news

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Communist?
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If she hurled this insult at a liberal, she'd be fired though. Personally, I don't think this is a huge deal at all though. It isn't that serious of a word in my opinion

I just think it's pathetic going after someone's family, especially over political beliefs. I thought it was wrong when some publications called Obama's daughters the S-word and I think it's wrong to attack Ivanka, Barron, Melania, and any other member of the Trump family. I do, however, still laugh at the look on Melania's face when she found out her husband won the election. It was like "What have I gotten myself into?!?"

I also think it's pathetic what passes for "comedy" these days, but that's another story.
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Lil69Leo posted...

Shes right. Ivanka as a mother should be getting her father to not rip children from their parents. It causes massive damage and that's scientifically proven.

So does illegally uprooting your family to a foreign land where they don't speak the language and live under constant fear of being deported. While it's regrettable that the children have to pay for their parents' selfish stupidity, you can't punish one without hurting the other and it's no different than separating other criminals from their children.

OhhhJa posted...

If she hurled this insult at a liberal, she'd be fired though. Personally, I don't think this is a huge deal at all though. It isn't that serious of a word in my opinion

It is pretty funny that is coming around the same time as the Roseanne controversy and, despite SB doing it on her show rather than an off-hours tweet, she'll see zero repercussions over her controversy. Just reinforces the selective enforcement and complete worthlessness of political correctness.
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Gunsandredroses posted...

I just think it's pathetic going after someone's family, especially over political beliefs. I thought it was wrong when some publications called Obama's daughters the S-word and I think it's wrong to attack Ivanka, Barron, Melania, and any other member of the Trump family. I do, however, still laugh at the look on Melania's face when she found out her husband won the election. It was like "What have I gotten myself into?!?"

I also think it's pathetic what passes for "comedy" these days, but that's another story.

She is special advisor to the president and as such fair game for criticism when she doesnt do her job.

Lil69Leo posted...

Gunsandredroses posted...

I just think it's pathetic going after someone's family, especially over political beliefs. I thought it was wrong when some publications called Obama's daughters the S-word and I think it's wrong to attack Ivanka, Barron, Melania, and any other member of the Trump family. I do, however, still laugh at the look on Melania's face when she found out her husband won the election. It was like "What have I gotten myself into?!?"

I also think it's pathetic what passes for "comedy" these days, but that's another story.

She is special advisor to the president and as such fair game for criticism when she doesnt do her job.

Overlooking that "special advisor" isn't really a job, she *is* doing her job. And any criticism should be leveled at the reckless, selfish parents who decide to shortcut their way into the US and subject their poor children to to suffering under a best case scenario-- since, again, they'd be forced to live their lives looking over their shoulder. That's in addition to forcing them to adjust to a radically different culture where many (if not most) don't even understand English.
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Lil69Leo posted...

Gunsandredroses posted...

I just think it's pathetic going after someone's family, especially over political beliefs. I thought it was wrong when some publications called Obama's daughters the S-word and I think it's wrong to attack Ivanka, Barron, Melania, and any other member of the Trump family. I do, however, still laugh at the look on Melania's face when she found out her husband won the election. It was like "What have I gotten myself into?!?"

I also think it's pathetic what passes for "comedy" these days, but that's another story.

She is special advisor to the president and as such fair game for criticism when she doesnt do her job.

She's subject to criticism of herself, not him. And sorry, but calling someone an obscenity on national TV because you have a grudge against their father is still not criticism. It's just being an ***. Criticism is constructive by nature. Name-calling is what four-year-olds (in blazers three sizes too small, I might add) do on the playground.
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Gunsandredroses posted...

Name-calling is what four-year-olds (in blazers three sizes too small, I might add) do on the playground.

So you're a 4 year old.

Clearly you never watched the full clip either, so don't even bother talking.

Lil69Leo posted...

Clearly you never watched the full clip either, so don't even bother talking.

I'm amused that you think that's an actual defense. Also I should note that Samantha Bee looks *terrible* these days.
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Samantha Bee and her husband certainly don't want minorities at her children's school.
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Gunsandredroses posted...

I just think it's pathetic going after someone's family, especially over political beliefs. I thought it was wrong when some publications called Obama's daughters the S-word and I think it's wrong to attack Ivanka, Barron, Melania, and any other member of the Trump family

In most cases I would agree, but Ivanka is a member of the administration. She has an official job, duties, and title (and, IIRC, receives a government paycheque as a result). She's fair game for criticism.

Melania's a bit more of a grey area, since she is the First Lady and does use that position to further causes, but those causes are typically apolitical so unless the criticism is directly related to those causes (or she chooses to insert herself into the political side of things) I'd say she's probably off-limits. Barron is definitely so by dint of being a child. Eric and Don Jr. frequently comment on or insert themselves into the political aspects of their father's work, so I would say they're absolutely open to be criticized.

Zeus posted...

It is pretty funny that is coming around the same time as the Roseanne controversy

Oh please. If you think this is in any way comparable to the Roseanne controversy, you're delusional.

Bee's attack, while vulgar and definitely well past the bounds of good taste, was nothing more than a raunchy insult aimed at Ivanka Trump in service of a legitimate argument about Ivanka's role and actions (or lack thereof) regarding immigration. She apologized, as she should have, and did it without the "I was high on ambien, so lay off" equivocating that robbed Barr's response of its sincerity.

Barr, on the other hand, had no greater point, no argument that she was trying to put forward beyond slamming Valerie Jarette. Moreover, she didn't just insult Jarrett, she did so using racist invective (and immediately followed that up by calling George Soros - himself a holocaust survivor - a Nazi and accusing him of selling out his fellow Jews during the holocaust).

Bee was offensive, but Barr was flat-out racist, and there's a world of difference between those two that explains the difference in response. For those insisting that it's because Bee is a liberal and Barr a conservative, note that many conservatives have levelled the exact same insult that Bee used at Nancy Pelosi (along with other high-profile female liberals) and, to the best of my knowledge, none have faced serious public blowback for it.

What I find hilarious is Donald Trump's attempts to get on his high horse by asking where his apology from ABC is. Even ignoring the race issue I mentioned above, Trump's complaining rings more than a little hollow given his previous comments on grabbing women by their genitals, which were every bit as raunchy and offensive as anything Bee has ever said. That Trump couldn't even muster up a meagre "What Roseanne said was racist and awful and I in no way support it," while using the incident to loudly complain about how he is portrayed in the media speaks volumes about where his priorities are at.
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FYI, I have no problem with Ivanka Trump getting called horrible names; I just thought that feminists hated whenever the c-word was used as an insult because it implied that women's genitalia were awful. I'm surprised Samantha Bee didn't already know that, but to her credit she apologized without making excuses,

cute?
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darkknight109 posted...

Gunsandredroses posted...

I just think it's pathetic going after someone's family, especially over political beliefs. I thought it was wrong when some publications called Obama's daughters the S-word and I think it's wrong to attack Ivanka, Barron, Melania, and any other member of the Trump family

In most cases I would agree, but Ivanka is a member of the administration. She has an official job, duties, and title (and, IIRC, receives a government paycheque as a result). She's fair game for criticism.

Melania's a bit more of a grey area, since she is the First Lady and does use that position to further causes, but those causes are typically apolitical so unless the criticism is directly related to those causes (or she chooses to insert herself into the political side of things) I'd say she's probably off-limits. Barron is definitely so by dint of being a child. Eric and Don Jr. frequently comment on or insert themselves into the political aspects of their father's work, so I would say they're absolutely open to be criticized.

Zeus posted...

It is pretty funny that is coming around the same time as the Roseanne controversy

Oh please. If you think this is in any way comparable to the Roseanne controversy, you're delusional.

Bee's attack, while vulgar and definitely well past the bounds of good taste, was nothing more than a raunchy insult aimed at Ivanka Trump in service of a legitimate argument about Ivanka's role and actions (or lack thereof) regarding immigration. She apologized, as she should have, and did it without the "I was high on ambien, so lay off" equivocating that robbed Barr's response of its sincerity.

Barr, on the other hand, had no greater point, no argument that she was trying to put forward beyond slamming Valerie Jarette. Moreover, she didn't just insult Jarrett, she did so using racist invective (and immediately followed that up by calling George Soros - himself a holocaust survivor - a Nazi and accusing him of selling out his fellow Jews during the holocaust).

Bee was offensive, but Barr was flat-out racist, and there's a world of difference between those two that explains the difference in response. For those insisting that it's because Bee is a liberal and Barr a conservative, note that many conservatives have levelled the exact same insult that Bee used at Nancy Pelosi (along with other high-profile female liberals) and, to the best of my knowledge, none have faced serious public blowback for it.

What I find hilarious is Donald Trump's attempts to get on his high horse by asking where his apology from ABC is. Even ignoring the race issue I mentioned above, Trump's complaining rings more than a little hollow given his previous comments on grabbing women by their genitals, which were every bit as raunchy and offensive as anything Bee has ever said. That Trump couldn't even muster up a meagre "What Roseanne said was racist and awful and I in no way support it," while using the incident to loudly complain about how he is portrayed in the media speaks volumes about where his priorities are at.

You can almost be assured someone doesn't have a job when they repeatedly write dissertations on political clickbait articles

OmegaM posted...

FYI, I have no problem with Ivanka Trump getting called horrible names; I just thought that feminists hated whenever the c-word was used as an insult because it implied that women's genitalia were awful. I'm surprised Samantha Bee didn't already know that, but to her credit she apologized without making excuses,

A man calling a woman that word is different from a woman calling another woman that word. It's still not a good word for a woman to use as an insult, but the implications are still quite different.
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darkknight109 posted...

She has an official job, duties, and title (and, IIRC, receives a government paycheque as a result).

She doesn't receive any money. And her "position" has, for the most part, seemed little different from any other family member giving a politician relative advice.

darkknight109 posted...

She's fair game for criticism.

Because she's related to the decision-maker? >_>

darkknight109 posted...

Oh please. If you think this is in any way comparable to the Roseanne controversy, you're delusional.

No, in many ways it's far worse because it didn't merely involve somebody posting an offensive, off-the-cuff remark on their personal time but instead was pushed as part of the show, involved multiple writers/etc signing off on the idea, and so on. It's a complete editorial failing much closer to the Rolling Stone's fake-rape debacle some years ago, as it demonstrates a systemic failure within the show itself. And if you somehow think that the venue doesn't matter, you're delusional.

darkknight109 posted...

Bee's attack, while vulgar and definitely well past the bounds of good taste, was nothing more than a raunchy insult aimed at Ivanka Trump in service of a legitimate argument about Ivanka's role and actions (or lack thereof) regarding immigration. She apologized, as she should have, and did it without the "I was high on ambien, so lay off" equivocating that robbed Barr's response of its sincerity.

Barr, on the other hand, had no greater point, no argument that she was trying to put forward beyond slamming Valerie Jarette. Moreover, she didn't just insult Jarrett, she did so using racist invective (and immediately followed that up by calling George Soros - himself a holocaust survivor - a Nazi and accusing him of selling out his fellow Jews during the holocaust).

lolwut? They're both agenda-driven attacks. The biggest difference is that Barr did it on her personal time and everybody on her show suffered for it whereas almost EVERYBODY on Samantha's show was in on it yet no real repercussions occurred.

darkknight109 posted...

For those insisting that it's because Bee is a liberal and Barr a conservative, note that many conservatives have levelled the exact same insult that Bee used at Nancy Pelosi (along with other high-profile female liberals) and, to the best of my knowledge, none have faced serious public blowback for it.

o rly? Point to ONE tv show where the host called Pelosi a c***. I'll wait.

darkknight109 posted...

What I find hilarious is Donald Trump's attempts to get on his high horse by asking where his apology from ABC is. Even ignoring the race issue I mentioned above, Trump's complaining rings more than a little hollow given his previous comments on grabbing women by their genitals, which were every bit as raunchy and offensive as anything Bee has ever said. That Trump couldn't even muster up a meagre "What Roseanne said was racist and awful and I in no way support it," while using the incident to loudly complain about how he is portrayed in the media speaks volumes about where his priorities are at.

Given that he was an aggrieved party, he had every right to ask for an apology. The fact that you're asking why he didn't demand an apology or get involved in somebody else's business is just a whataboutism.
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Zeus posted...

Because she's related to the decision-maker? >_>

No, because she injected herself into the political realm by acting as some sort of diplomat for some reason.
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OhhhJa posted...

You can almost be assured someone doesn't have a job when they repeatedly write dissertations on political clickbait articles

You can almost be assured that if someone thinks that ~500 words constitutes a "dissertation" that couldn't be banged out in 10 minutes by anyone with half a brain, they're probably not in any position to comment on matters of employment.

Zeus posted...

And her "position" has, for the most part, seemed little different from any other family member giving a politician relative advice.

Except for the part where she's gone on trips in her capacity as a government adviser and been recognized by such, both by foreign dignitaries and by the White House itself. You can argue whether or not she actually does anything to merit that treatment, but the White House is pretending that she does, so that's what we have to run with.

If you don't want to be treated like an official government employee, don't call yourself one.

Zeus posted...

No, in many ways it's far worse because it didn't merely involve somebody posting an offensive, off-the-cuff remark

You left out the word "racist" in your description. That's a fairly important piece of the puzzle you're rather conspicuously trying to tiptoe around.

And no, it's not "an offensive, off-the-cuff remark" if she immediately follows it up with several other "offensive, off-the-cuff remarks" (with enough space between them to allow for the targets of her ire to reply) and has a long, well-documented history of "offensive, off-the-cuff remarks".

You can stop pretending that Barr is some kind of misunderstood innocent who made one minor off-colour quip that's been blown out of proportion; she's a racist, anti-Semitic shithead and got exactly what she deserved. My only sympathy is for the rest of those involved with her show who are now left looking for work because of her idiocy.

Zeus posted...

but instead was pushed as part of the show, involved multiple writers/etc signing off on the idea, and so on

Yes, and that's tremendously shitty. You won't see me arguing that it's not.

But take a closer look at what you said. That fact that multiple people tacitly endorsed or supported what Bee said doesn't make her remark any worse like you're suggesting - the remark is the same, regardless if it's said by one person or a dozen. The only thing you've proven is that anyone who's criticizing Samantha Bee for what she said should also be criticizing her writing and editorial staff for signing off on it. You haven't made the actual statement any worse; just said that more people are responsible for it.
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Zeus posted...

And if you somehow think that the venue doesn't matter, you're delusional.

Really. Please explain how a TV show, seen by millions of supporters, is somehow materially different than a Twitter rant, also seen by millions of supporters.

The message is the offensive part, not the medium in which it's carried. If the positions had been reversed and Barr had made her remarks on Roseanne in front of a cheering audience while Bee tweeted hers, it would change nothing about how offensive those respective statements were.

Zeus posted...

It's a complete editorial failing much closer to the Rolling Stone's fake-rape debacle some years ago

Man, you love your false equivalencies, don't you?

Calling someone a bad word is now apparently on the same level as a fake rape accusation, according to Zeus. I guess this does explain why you think the Bee and Barr controversies are comparable, though...

Zeus posted...

o rly? Point to ONE tv show where the host called Pelosi a c***. I'll wait.

To pick on probably the most famous one, in 2014 Gary Oldman had an interview in Playboy where he called Pelosi a "fucking useless c***". Then in several follow-up interviews with other news outlets he repeated that characterization.

Zeus posted...

lolwut? They're both agenda-driven attacks.

Sure, except Samantha actually had a point to hers.

Strip out the vulgarity of both sets of comments and what are you left with? With Bee's, you're left with a commentary on Ivanka Trump and the Trump immigration. Hell, all you need to do is to take the last three words off the most infamous part of her rant and you get "You know, Ivanka, thats a beautiful photo of you and your child, but let me just say, one mother to another, do something about your dads immigration practices." That's a valid argument to make.

But with Barr's if you take away the vulgarity you have... nothing. Because she wasn't making a point or providing commentary, or supporting an argument; she was just spouting off racist diatribe for no apparent reason other than to hurt, insult, and anger.

Having an agenda is not inherently bad, nor is using it to drive an attack. No one is complaining because Bee attacked a conservative or because Barr attacked a liberal; they're complaining because Bee used a very vulgar insult and because Barr used racism (reminder: racism is worse than vulgarity). The targets of their diatribes wasn't the issue; the content of said diatribes was.

Zeus posted...

The fact that you're asking why he didn't demand an apology or get involved in somebody else's business is just a whataboutism.

What are you talking about? He *DID* get involved in someone else's business! He was the one who inserted himself into the unfolding Barr scandal. Not to condemn Barr's racism, of course, but to tacitly come to her defence by saying "the person she insulted got an apology, so why didn't I?" Which a) is incredibly tone-deaf for someone with a pretty shoddy history of dealing with racism in the context of his presidency and b) is making the exact same "calling someone names is just as bad as racism" mistake that you're making above.
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darkknight109 posted...

You left out the word "racist" in your description. That's a fairly important piece of the puzzle you're rather conspicuously trying to tiptoe around.

that's because Zeus doesn't think something that's clearly racist is racist, because as he's shown us several times, he's pretty racist.
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Zeus posted...

It is pretty funny that is coming around the same time as the Roseanne controversy and, despite SB doing it on her show rather than an off-hours tweet, she'll see no real repercussions for her controversy. Just reinforces the selective enforcement and complete worthlessness of political correctness.

Sweet false equivalency, @Zeus, ok?

helIy posted...

darkknight109 posted...

You left out the word "racist" in your description. That's a fairly important piece of the puzzle you're rather conspicuously trying to tiptoe around.

that's because Zeus doesn't think something that's clearly racist is racist, because as he's shown us several times, he's pretty racist.

Remember when he backed the Charlottesville rallies?
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darkknight109 posted...

You can almost be assured that if someone thinks that ~500 words constitutes a "dissertation" that couldn't be banged out in 10 minutes by anyone with half a brain, they're probably not in any position to comment on matters of employment.

The funniest part is that I knew this would be your response. You are that predictable on top of taking probably 20 to 30 minutes to type out your dissertations

OhhhJa posted...

darkknight109 posted...

You can almost be assured that if someone thinks that ~500 words constitutes a "dissertation" that couldn't be banged out in 10 minutes by anyone with half a brain, they're probably not in any position to comment on matters of employment.

The funniest part is that I knew this would be your response. You are that predictable on top of taking probably 20 to 30 minutes to type out your dissertations

I know you have trouble with reading anything longer than a tweet, but you really shouldn't project your jealousy on other people.
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darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

darkknight109 posted...

You can almost be assured that if someone thinks that ~500 words constitutes a "dissertation" that couldn't be banged out in 10 minutes by anyone with half a brain, they're probably not in any position to comment on matters of employment.

The funniest part is that I knew this would be your response. You are that predictable on top of taking probably 20 to 30 minutes to type out your dissertations

I know you have trouble with reading anything longer than a tweet, but you really shouldn't project your jealousy on other people.

Haha you've resorted to low tier trolling now. You aren't the genius you think you are. I've seen you put real research into the posts that you make for dumb clickbait. I just enjoy watching you work at this stuff tbh. Keep trying really hard to impress us all bro

Gunsandredroses posted...

She's subject to criticism of herself, not him. And sorry, but calling someone an obscenity on national TV because you have a grudge against their father is still not criticism. It's just being an ***. Criticism is constructive by nature. Name-calling is what four-year-olds (in blazers three sizes too small, I might add) do on the playground.

So, when she constructively spelled out what Ivanka could be doing prior to the emphatic insult, that wasn't constructive criticism?

Zeus posted...

So does illegally uprooting your family to a foreign land where they don't speak the language and live under constant fear of being deported.

Samantha Bee made the flippant remark in question either immediately preceding or immediately succeeding (I honestly forget, but it was one or the other) the story of a woman who was going through every legal process of seeking asylum as a refugee and still having her child taken from her and put in a different detention center in a different state.

So cut out this bullshit argument that it's about illegal immigrants. It's not. It's happening to all types of immigrants and it's been happening to all types of immigrants for decades. And it's morally indefensible.
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OhhhJa posted...

Haha you've resorted to low tier trolling now. You aren't the genius you think you are. I've seen you put real research into the posts that you make for dumb clickbait. I just enjoy watching you work at this stuff tbh. Keep trying really hard to impress us all bro

You have a weird obsession with my intelligence, given that you post this seemingly every time you try to argue with me. I guess you're feeling intimidated? If so:
darkknight109 posted...

I know you have trouble with reading anything longer than a tweet, but you really shouldn't project your jealousy on other people.

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darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Haha you've resorted to low tier trolling now. You aren't the genius you think you are. I've seen you put real research into the posts that you make for dumb clickbait. I just enjoy watching you work at this stuff tbh. Keep trying really hard to impress us all bro

You have a weird obsession with my intelligence, given that you post this seemingly every time you try to argue with me. I guess you're feeling intimidated? If so:
darkknight109 posted...

I know you have trouble with reading anything longer than a tweet, but you really shouldn't project your jealousy on other people.

Haha because of one mention of your intelligence? But naw I'm not jealous. I wouldn't waste my time writing dissertations to randoms on message boards is all

OhhhJa posted...

Haha because of one mention of your intelligence?

Bad memory on top of short attention span? That's rough, man.
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darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Haha because of one mention of your intelligence?

Bad memory on top of short attention span? That's rough, man.

Your narcissism must know no bounds. No surprise for a guy who writes an 800 word essay about samantha bee saying the c word though

magemaximus posted...

is that a common insult in the uk

Yes, yes it is. Some folk still act like it's the worse thing ever to call someone though. I've never understood why but eh if I want to trigger them at least I know their weak point.
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OhhhJa posted...

Your narcissism must know no bounds. No surprise for a guy who writes an 800 word essay about samantha bee saying the c word though

darkknight109 posted...

I know you have trouble with reading anything longer than a tweet, but you really shouldn't project your jealousy on other people.

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darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Your narcissism must know no bounds. No surprise for a guy who writes an 800 word essay about samantha bee saying the c word though

darkknight109 posted...

I know you have trouble with reading anything longer than a tweet, but you really shouldn't project your jealousy on other people.

Yes I'm very jealous of the basement dweller typing out essays about Ivanka trump being called the c word. You caught me!

OhhhJa posted...

darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Your narcissism must know no bounds. No surprise for a guy who writes an 800 word essay about samantha bee saying the c word though

darkknight109 posted...

I know you have trouble with reading anything longer than a tweet, but you really shouldn't project your jealousy on other people.

Yes I'm very jealous of the basement dweller typing out essays about Ivanka trump being called the c word. You caught me!

At least you're willing to admit it. Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step to getting better.

(I also get a quiet giggle out of the "basement dweller" quip given that my house is low-lying seaside, so if I had a basement (or even a ground-level floor) it would be flooded on a regular basis).
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Don't reply to Jaa he called black people the monkey emoji.

I just see more of the right needing their safe space. Hopefully the snowflakes will make it through these trying times.
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Lil69Leo posted...

Don't reply to Jaa he called black people the monkey emoji.

Lol that never happened but you're a racist troll anyway

darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Your narcissism must know no bounds. No surprise for a guy who writes an 800 word essay about samantha bee saying the c word though

darkknight109 posted...

I know you have trouble with reading anything longer than a tweet, but you really shouldn't project your jealousy on other people.

Yes I'm very jealous of the basement dweller typing out essays about Ivanka trump being called the c word. You caught me!

At least you're willing to admit it. Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step to getting better.

(I also get a quiet giggle out of the "basement dweller" quip given that my house is low-lying seaside, so if I had a basement (or even a ground-level floor) it would be flooded on a regular basis).

Sounds like your parents at least have a nice place. Congrats bud

Women are allowed to call other women the c word. k? k

OhhhJa posted...

Sounds like your parents at least have a nice place. Congrats bud

They do, actually. Not sure how you gathered that from the description of my house, but I guess even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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