Current Events > Trump's trade Policies Threaten Millions of Jobs, U.S. Chamber of Commerce Says

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-trade-policies-threaten-millions-of-jobs-u-s-chamber-of-commerce-says-1527792627

The chamber cited studies that found hundreds of thousands of jobs could be lost due to the administrations tariff plans on metals, Chinese goods and the auto industry. The Business Roundtable, another business group, estimates that 1.8 million U.S. jobs could be lost in the first year if Mr. Trump follows through with warnings about exiting Nafta.
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i've been posting this for months

protectionist policies and the trade wars they lead to are always bad in the long run and have never had a positive effect on economy since the 20th century began.

Free trade has always created more jobs and boosted economy, protectionist policies literally do the opposite.
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Translation: As the mainstream media, I dont like Trump, so everything he does is bad.

But but, African American unemployment is the lowest it has ever been.
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Won't be losing my job.
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DavidWong posted...

i've been posting this for months

Literally everyone that's not a slurper has said this.
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creativerealms posted...

But but, African American unemployment is the lowest it has ever been.

The funny part of this "accomplishment" is that black unemployment went back up literally right after he first tried touting it.
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glitteringfairy posted...

Won't be losing my job.

no. but the people around you will.

which might lead to you losing your job because whatever business you work for might shut down.
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LRodC posted...

Translation: As the mainstream media, I dont like Trump, so everything he does is bad.

Translation: "if they say something bad about Trump it is fake news by the lying media."
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LRodC posted...

Translation: As the mainstream media, I dont like Trump, so everything he does is bad.

...?
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We see these kind of predictions for employment any time some country talks about withdrawing from a trade deal.

We see exaclty the same kind of predictions any time some country talks about entering a new one.

Conclusion: People just want to complain.
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https://fee.org/articles/the-smoot-hawley-tariff-and-the-great-depression/

Summary: In 1930, President Hoover levied taxes of up to 40 to 60 per cent on imported goods under the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930, in an effort to protect United States businesses and consumers.

However, the results of the act saw a number of negative effects: national income fell by 36 per cent, unemployment increased from 3 to over 25 per cent and 40 per cent of all banks were permanently closed.

PROTECTIONIST POLICIES FAIL
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creativerealms posted...

LRodC posted...

Translation: ?As the mainstream media, I don?t like Trump, so everything he does is bad?.

Translation: "if they say something bad about Trump it is fake news by the lying media."

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DarkTransient posted...

We see these kind of predictions for employment any time some country talks about withdrawing from a trade deal.

We see exaclty the same kind of predictions any time some country talks about entering a new one.

Conclusion: People just want to complain.

didn't Bush do the same thing and then we lost 200k jobs?
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Also, apparently Trump just randomly tweeted "FAIR TRADE!" an hour ago. Nothing else... just that.
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foreveraIone posted...

DarkTransient posted...

We see these kind of predictions for employment any time some country talks about withdrawing from a trade deal.

We see exaclty the same kind of predictions any time some country talks about entering a new one.

Conclusion: People just want to complain.

didn't Bush do the same thing and then we lost 200k jobs?

Yep!

A recent example of negative effects of protectionism can be seen as recently as 2002, when then-President George Bush impose tariffs on steel of between 8 and 30 per cent, to be in effect until 2005. The European Union threatened retaliatory action and the World Trade Organisation ruled against the United States, seeing the tariffs removed. However, the United States Dollar index fell from 115 in January 2002 to a low of 81 in January 2005.
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foreveraIone posted...

DarkTransient posted...

We see these kind of predictions for employment any time some country talks about withdrawing from a trade deal.

We see exaclty the same kind of predictions any time some country talks about entering a new one.

Conclusion: People just want to complain.

didn't Bush do the same thing and then we lost 200k jobs?

Very possibly. But my point is - these same claims are made any time trade deals are brought up, be it entering or withdrawing from them. The same kind of claims being made to attack Trump's withdrawal from NAFTA here, were also being made to attack Obama's desire to enter the TPP. (Yes, I know there were other - and very real - issues with the TPP, most notably the dispute resolution scheme or whatever it was called; but this was a seperate talking point altogether from that.)
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All part of their plan for the next recession thats coming soon.
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DarkTransient posted...

Very possibly. But my point is - these same claims are made any time trade deals are brought up, be it entering or withdrawing from them. The same kind of claims being made to attack Trump's withdrawal from NAFTA here, were also being made to attack Obama's desire to enter the TPP. (Yes, I know there were other - and very real - issues with the TPP, most notably the dispute resolution scheme or whatever it was called; but this was a seperate talking point altogether from that.)

You're coming across as a fellow who wants to defend Trump but doesn't know quite what he's talking about

just fyi
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Doom_Art posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Very possibly. But my point is - these same claims are made any time trade deals are brought up, be it entering or withdrawing from them. The same kind of claims being made to attack Trump's withdrawal from NAFTA here, were also being made to attack Obama's desire to enter the TPP. (Yes, I know there were other - and very real - issues with the TPP, most notably the dispute resolution scheme or whatever it was called; but this was a seperate talking point altogether from that.)

You're coming across as a fellow who wants to defend Trump but doesn't know quite what he's talking about

just fyi

yep

guess what, you're allowed to like Trump, but you don't have to defend every single thing he does.

Do some research, and you'll find that trying to do bilateral deals with EVERYONE and slapping tariffs on goods and services, particularly imports, leads to LESS jobs, reduced national income/savings, and higher costs of goods and services.
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Doom_Art posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Very possibly. But my point is - these same claims are made any time trade deals are brought up, be it entering or withdrawing from them. The same kind of claims being made to attack Trump's withdrawal from NAFTA here, were also being made to attack Obama's desire to enter the TPP. (Yes, I know there were other - and very real - issues with the TPP, most notably the dispute resolution scheme or whatever it was called; but this was a seperate talking point altogether from that.)

You're coming across as a fellow who wants to defend Trump but doesn't know quite what he's talking about

just fyi

I mean, we are talking about a user who in another topic resorted to accusing me of being very young and capped it off with a literal "your mom" joke...
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Doom_Art posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Very possibly. But my point is - these same claims are made any time trade deals are brought up, be it entering or withdrawing from them. The same kind of claims being made to attack Trump's withdrawal from NAFTA here, were also being made to attack Obama's desire to enter the TPP. (Yes, I know there were other - and very real - issues with the TPP, most notably the dispute resolution scheme or whatever it was called; but this was a seperate talking point altogether from that.)

You're coming across as a fellow who wants to defend Trump but doesn't know quite what he's talking about

just fyi

I'm not defending or attacking anyone, except the people who make the claims that two directly opposite actions will have the same effect. I literally have no idea what will actually be the outcome; only that people are making the same claim to oppose withdrawing from FTAs that they often make to oppose entering them.
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DarkTransient posted...

I'm not defending or attacking anyone, except the people who make the claims that two directly opposite actions will have the same effect. I literally have no idea what will actually be the outcome; only that people are making the same claim to oppose withdrawing from FTAs that they often make to oppose entering them.

I've posted pretty good summaries of what has happened historically with protectionist policies, tbqh
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DavidWong posted...

DarkTransient posted...

I'm not defending or attacking anyone, except the people who make the claims that two directly opposite actions will have the same effect. I literally have no idea what will actually be the outcome; only that people are making the same claim to oppose withdrawing from FTAs that they often make to oppose entering them.

I've posted pretty good summaries of what has happened historically with protectionist policies, tbqh

Okay so, this is probably a bad move.

Which changes nothing about the fact that people are making the exact same claim about two directly opposite actions.
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That's their prerogative. I am a champion of free trade and globalisation. People saying countries shouldn't enter FTAs are against what my beliefs are.
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DavidWong posted...

That's their prerogative. I am a champion of free trade and globalisation. People saying countries shouldn't enter FTAs are against what my beliefs are.

GLOBALIST! <insert gif of fake human from Invasion of the Body Snatchers>
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I absolutely am a globalist, proudly so.
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foreveraIone posted...

glitteringfairy posted...

Won't be losing my job.

no. but the people around you will.

which might lead to you losing your job because whatever business you work for might shut down.

I'm in professional security. People always need security especially more so in times of unrest. If anything it's good for business
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http://www.conservapedia.com/Chamber_of_Commerce

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is an increasingly liberal and globalist organization beholden to big business that does little to create new jobs.

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BLAKUboy posted...

creativerealms posted...

But but, African American unemployment is the lowest it has ever been.

The funny part of this "accomplishment" is that black unemployment went back up literally right after he first tried touting it.

There were two reasons for that.

1) In a lot of black families, both parents were working. Thanks to Trump's economic policies, one of parents was able to get a significantly better job such that other parent could stay home and take care of the kids/house. Liberals tried to count these black people, who voluntarily quit a their jobs that they no longer needed, as unemployed to make Trump look bad.

2) A lot of black people are Democrats and they still don't like Trump.There was a decent amount of them who, after hearing the news about the lowest black unemployment rate of all time, quit their jobs out of spite to raise the unemployment numbers and make Trump look bad. (and some of them were paid off by George Soros to do this)
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DifferentialEquation posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

creativerealms posted...

But but, African American unemployment is the lowest it has ever been.

The funny part of this "accomplishment" is that black unemployment went back up literally right after he first tried touting it.

There were two reasons for that.

1) In a lot of black families, both parents were working. Thanks to Trump's economic policies, one of parents was able to get a significantly better job such that other parent could stay home and take care of the kids/house. Liberals tried to count these black people, who voluntarily quit a their jobs that they no longer needed, as unemployed to make Trump look bad.

2) A lot of black people are Democrats and they still don't like Trump.There was a decent amount of them who, after hearing the news about the lowest black unemployment rate of all time, quit their jobs out of spite to raise the unemployment numbers and make Trump look bad.

First one is very likely true. Second one sounds almost conspiracy-nut level tho tbh. No reasonable person is going to fuck their own life up just for that kind of petty crap, and the kind of extremist-liberalism that would do that is almost entirely made up of whites.
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DarkTransient posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

creativerealms posted...

But but, African American unemployment is the lowest it has ever been.

The funny part of this "accomplishment" is that black unemployment went back up literally right after he first tried touting it.

There were two reasons for that.

1) In a lot of black families, both parents were working. Thanks to Trump's economic policies, one of parents was able to get a significantly better job such that other parent could stay home and take care of the kids/house. Liberals tried to count these black people, who voluntarily quit a their jobs that they no longer needed, as unemployed to make Trump look bad.

2) A lot of black people are Democrats and they still don't like Trump.There was a decent amount of them who, after hearing the news about the lowest black unemployment rate of all time, quit their jobs out of spite to raise the unemployment numbers and make Trump look bad.

First one is very likely true. Second one sounds almost conspiracy-nut level tho tbh. No reasonable person is going to fuck their own life up just for that kind of petty crap, and the kind of extremist-liberalism that would do that is almost entirely made up of whites.

Look who you're talking to

@DifferentialEquation, what was the reason for Trump writing "I hear you" on his notepad when talking to school shooting victims? I can't recall.
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littlebro07 posted...

DarkTransient posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

creativerealms posted...

But but, African American unemployment is the lowest it has ever been.

The funny part of this "accomplishment" is that black unemployment went back up literally right after he first tried touting it.

There were two reasons for that.

1) In a lot of black families, both parents were working. Thanks to Trump's economic policies, one of parents was able to get a significantly better job such that other parent could stay home and take care of the kids/house. Liberals tried to count these black people, who voluntarily quit a their jobs that they no longer needed, as unemployed to make Trump look bad.

2) A lot of black people are Democrats and they still don't like Trump.There was a decent amount of them who, after hearing the news about the lowest black unemployment rate of all time, quit their jobs out of spite to raise the unemployment numbers and make Trump look bad.

First one is very likely true. Second one sounds almost conspiracy-nut level tho tbh. No reasonable person is going to fuck their own life up just for that kind of petty crap, and the kind of extremist-liberalism that would do that is almost entirely made up of whites.

Look who you're talking to

@DifferentialEquation, what was the reason for Trump writing "I hear you" on his notepad when talking to school shooting victims? I can't recall.

I already explained this several times. One of Trump's aides is hearing impaired. Trump's unique speaking style makes it difficult for hearing impaired people to lip read him, so he wrote "I hear you" on a sheet of paper and would point to it as way to communicate with his that aide that he understood/acknowledged what he was saying.
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Just in time for the midterms :)
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frozenshock posted...

http://www.conservapedia.com/Chamber_of_Commerce

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is an increasingly liberal and globalist organization beholden to big business that does little to create new jobs.

...According to conservapedia.
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