Current Events > I used to think the story of SJWs turning liberals conservative is fake...

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But now I'm starting to feel the call. I've considered myself a liberal most of my life, and still do, but the liberal side is starting to become ridiculous. The left used to be the side of science and social progress. Now it feels like the side of hurt feelings and shirking responsibility.
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Shows a pretty big lack of agency on your part tbh
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Squall28 posted...

Now it feels like the side of hurt feelings and shirking responsibility.

This is a weird thing to claim while blaming others for your rightward shift
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TC's the one who got butthurt about Rosanne getting cancelled because he says calling black people apes isn't racist right? that's what hes crying about here?
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To think I used to hate conservatism because of the religious aspect.

But Id rather another sermon over some weirdo saying how no one taking xir made up gender seriously, offends them.
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My liberal friends have become pretty insufferable

But like I just stop hanging out with them. They don't influence my beliefs
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Welcome to me two years ago.
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AlecSkorpio posted...

But like I just stop hanging out with them.

Given my experience with this sort of thing in the wake of the election, I'm pretty sure you both prefer it that way.
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Antifar posted...

Squall28 posted...

Now it feels like the side of hurt feelings and shirking responsibility.

This is a weird thing to claim while blaming others for your rightward shift

Haha...I guess I didn't express my thoughts clearly. My beliefs are the same. I think a better way to say it is that I feel like the party has changed so I can no longer fit my beliefs into that party. It's like if you were a real big sports team because they had a really fast style. Then their style change and they employ a slower style.

Being a liberal means something a lot different than what it used to. It's like the political scale itself has changed. It seems much more extreme.
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Becoming conservative today means adopting religious beliefs of the Christian or Jewish variety (I'm atheist), obsessing over transgender identification (I'm f-to-m), hating Muslims, and believing abortion is murder.

Squall28 posted...

I feel like the party has changed

How
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If an extreme group can cause you to completely change your ideology then I question whether or not you held those beliefs strongly to begin with. I understand being against "SJWs" and not wanting to associate with them but if some crazy people (who only seem to be big on the internet) cause you to go from Liberal ideals to Conservative ideals...you probably never really held your original beliefs that tightly to begin with. Just saying. You can still hold basic liberal foundations without supporting SJWs. on the flip side, making such an extreme change in ideology because of those SJWs indicate that there is likely more to your change...
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Doom_Art posted...

Shows a pretty big lack of agency on your part tbh

This is another big problem I have with modern liberalism, the smug nose it the air attitude towards anyone who isn't a liberal. Guess what, your shit stinks just like the rest of ours.
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Squall28 posted...

Haha...I guess I didn't express my thoughts clearly. My beliefs are the same. I think a better way to say it is that I feel like the party has changed so I can no longer fit my beliefs into that party.

Have conservatives changed to better fit you, though?
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Ammonitida posted...

Becoming conservative today means adopting religious beliefs of the Christian or Jewish variety (I'm atheist), obsessing over transgender identification (I'm f-to-m), hating Muslims, and believing abortion is murder.

And ending the ACA while slashing taxes disproportionately in favor of wealthy people.

voldothegr8 posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Shows a pretty big lack of agency on your part tbh

This is another big problem I have with modern liberalism, the smug nose it the air attitude towards anyone who isn't a liberal. Guess what, your shit stinks just like the rest of ours.

It absolutely does. But it's difficult to sympathize with people who support the politics of the current admission over hurt feelings. The rest of made, and will continue to make, the most rational choice from our selection of (often) distasteful options. By contast, these topics look and read like a temper tantrum.
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Frolex posted...

TC's the one who got butthurt about Rosanne getting cancelled because he says calling black people apes isn't racist right? that's what hes crying about here?

answer's yes btw, with an added helping of implying Valerie Jarett isn't really a black person because she's light skinned
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Frolex posted...

TC's the one who got butthurt about Rosanne getting cancelled because he says calling black people apes isn't racist right? that's what hes crying about here?

It's actually more the abortion thing. The absolute disregard for human life was sickening.

But the Rosanne thing was dumb. What she said was incredibly unclassy, but to make an entire crew lose their jobs over it? Especially when the criticized person in question doesn't even look black. What if the CEO of the company you work at said something dumb and you and your entire company lose their jobs because of it? What do you feel about that?

I don't want social progress to be a witch hunt. I want it to be learning about diversity. That people are dealt different cards in life. To respect one another and see things from different perspectives.
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Squall28 posted...

But the Rosanne thing was dumb. What she said was incredibly unclassy, but to make an entire crew lose their jobs over it? Especially when the criticized person in question doesn't even look black. What if the CEO of the company you work at said something dumb and you and your entire company lose their jobs because of it? What do you feel about that?

I'd feel terrible but my anger would be directed towards the CEO for being an idiot. Don't reward ignorance. Roseanne was an idiot, made a stupid statement, and by doing so SHE is the one who put her entire cast and crew in jeopardy...She shouldn't get a pass for it. When i was a kid, if my parents fucked up at work and got fired, they couldn't say "but i have a family!" and expect to keep their job. Their mistake will now potentially affect me, but it was still THEIR mistake. Not their employers.
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hollow_shrine posted...

AlecSkorpio posted...

But like I just stop hanging out with them.

Given my experience with this sort of thing in the wake of the election, I'm pretty sure you both prefer it that way.

Ouch. My feelings.
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I hear ya TC. liberals used to be about freedom of thought and progressiveness but now they've become too controlling with all the pc, im so offended fake outrage bullshit, and I try not to associate with mental midgets like this.

The extreme nature of politics nowadays makes me just want to wash my hands of all of it and just focus on my own stuff.
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Squall28 posted...

That people are dealt different cards in life. To respect one another and see things from different perspectives.

Roseanne has proven over the course of several years now that she has no interest in doing that
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Antifar posted...

Squall28 posted...

Haha...I guess I didn't express my thoughts clearly. My beliefs are the same. I think a better way to say it is that I feel like the party has changed so I can no longer fit my beliefs into that party.

Have conservatives changed to better fit you, though?

You make a good point. I don't believe they have.

I do, however, think that liberals in general have become more liberal so in their eyes I'm a conservative. It's relative.
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I've never really understood people like this. How do a group of outliers change your deep seated political beliefs?
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http://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/4-race-immigration-and-discrimination/

pretty big changes on views w/r/t race by partisan affiliation recently
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ShotOJameson posted...

I hear ya TC. liberals used to be about freedom of thought and progressiveness but now they've become too controlling with all the pc, im so offended fake outrage bullshit, and I try not to associate with mental midgets like this.

The extreme nature of politics nowadays makes me just want to wash my hands of all of it and just focus on my own stuff.

Exactly. What the party is now is completely different. It used to be the party of rationality. Now it's closer to an angry mob.
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TheUsualSuspect posted...

I've never really understood people like this. How do a group of outliers change your deep seated political beliefs?

because of social media and the extremism in politics you are automatically aligned with these people unfortunately and rational discussion can no longer take place between disagreeing parties.
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Squall28 posted...

ShotOJameson posted...

I hear ya TC. liberals used to be about freedom of thought and progressiveness but now they've become too controlling with all the pc, im so offended fake outrage bullshit, and I try not to associate with mental midgets like this.

The extreme nature of politics nowadays makes me just want to wash my hands of all of it and just focus on my own stuff.

Exactly. What the party is now is completely different. It used to be the party of rationality. Now it's closer to an angry mob.

Because playing nice with conservatives have lead to good things in the past decade. It hasn't.
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Squall28 posted...

I don't want social progress to be a witch hunt. I want it to be learning about diversity. That people are dealt different cards in life. To respect one another and see things from different perspectives.

And how does mocking someone with racist insults about monkeys and looking like terrorists have anything to do with that?
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Caution999 posted...

Welcome to me two years ago.

Pretty much me as well. One of the reasons why I can't support the modern day Democratic Party.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Squall28 posted...

I don't want social progress to be a witch hunt. I want it to be learning about diversity. That people are dealt different cards in life. To respect one another and see things from different perspectives.

And how does mocking someone with racist insults about monkeys and looking like terrorists have anything to do with that?

I didn't say Roseanne was in the right. I'm saying they shouldn't punish an entire crew for it due to her one tweet. You know what this reminds me of? When Chic fil a CEO was outed as a bigot. Alright you can hate on him. Fine.

But do you know what people did? They went into actual restaurants and yelled at the staff who had nothing to do with it. One of the staff members himself was gay and got scolded for hating gays. There are people in that shows staff who are black. You are telling them you lost your job cause you are racist. Punishing an entire crew of people because of one person's remarks.
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Squall28 posted...

I didn't say Roseanne was in the right. I'm saying they shouldn't punish an entire crew for it due to her one tweet. You know what this reminds me of? When Chic fil a CEO was outed as a bigot. Alright you can hate on him. Fine.

We don't have to punish an entire crew. We can just write a new show and hire them all back. I agree that many self-professed liberals like to make feel-good gestures that only have a short-term effect. The TRUE liberals are the ones that come up with solutions that deal with the consequences. That doesn't take away from the fact that no one should have any problem if ABC decides to part ways with a shitty fucker.

The alternative would be like saying:
"Oh, we shouldn't fire Joe Paterno/ Jerry Sandusky because their charity helps thousands of children. We have no choice but to keep them in place for now and pretend like nothing has happened!! "
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Squall28 posted...

But now I'm starting to feel the call. I've considered myself a liberal most of my life, and still do, but the liberal side is starting to become ridiculous. The left used to be the side of science and social progress. Now it feels like the side of hurt feelings and shirking responsibility.

Two things need to happen

1. The Democratic Party needs to be replaced with the Social Democrats

2. A viable third party that puts people over profits a decent amount of the time (I've been in both the GOP and Democratic parties and few put people over profits a decent amount of the time).
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I couldn't be one of the "all-or-nothing" liberals. Like, the you're with us or against us type. Actually, most extremisms bug me.
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Hop103 posted...

Squall28 posted...

But now I'm starting to feel the call. I've considered myself a liberal most of my life, and still do, but the liberal side is starting to become ridiculous. The left used to be the side of science and social progress. Now it feels like the side of hurt feelings and shirking responsibility.

Two things need to happen

1. The Democratic Party needs to be replaced with the Social Democrats

2. A viable third party that puts people over profits a decent amount of the time (I've been in both the GOP and Democratic parties and few put people over profits a decent amount of the time).

You're not even in the US. Try talking more about whatever country you reside in.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/261-politics/76659455?jumpto=3#3
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