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silentwing26x 05/23/18 11:28:22 PM #51:	please tell me no respectable journal actually published this <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:901884467] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote>please tell me no respectable journal actually published this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/23/18 11:29:33 PM #52:	Dash_Harber posted... Not to mention that the whole thing is literally a spectrum, not a one or the other. Which is exactly how the study operated The key independent variable is respondents left-right position. The survey asks respondents to place themselves on the spectrum from 1 (left) to 10 (right). As Table 1 shows, there is a balance in the survey between left, right, and center. I recode the data with five groups: far left (1-2), center-left (3-4), center (5-6), center-right (7-8), and far right (9-10). The survey in question is the World Values Survey, which is not conducted by the author here --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:901884533] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Not to mention that the whole thing is literally a spectrum, not a one or the other. </quote> Which is exactly how the study operated <quote>The key independent variable is respondents left-right position. The survey asks respondents to place themselves on the spectrum from 1 (left) to 10 (right). As Table 1 shows, there is a balance in the survey between left, right, and center. I recode the data with five groups: far left (1-2), center-left (3-4), center (5-6), center-right (7-8), and far right (9-10).</quote> The survey in question is the World Values Survey, which is not conducted by the author here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 05/23/18 11:31:38 PM #53:	Antifar posted... Dash_Harber posted... Not to mention that the whole thing is literally a spectrum, not a one or the other. Which is exactly how the study operated The key independent variable is respondents left-right position. The survey asks respondents to place themselves on the spectrum from 1 (left) to 10 (right). As Table 1 shows, there is a balance in the survey between left, right, and center. I recode the data with five groups: far left (1-2), center-left (3-4), center (5-6), center-right (7-8), and far right (9-10). Which, again, doesn't mean that centrists are bringing down democracy, not to mention those are pretty arbitrary definition and the fact that the spectrum is only a generalization. Being at some point doesn't mean it will literally define all your beliefs. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:901884625] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Not to mention that the whole thing is literally a spectrum, not a one or the other. </quote> Which is exactly how the study operated <quote>The key independent variable is respondents left-right position. The survey asks respondents to place themselves on the spectrum from 1 (left) to 10 (right). As Table 1 shows, there is a balance in the survey between left, right, and center. I recode the data with five groups: far left (1-2), center-left (3-4), center (5-6), center-right (7-8), and far right (9-10).</quote></quote> Which, again, doesn't mean that centrists are bringing down democracy, not to mention those are pretty arbitrary definition and the fact that the spectrum is only a generalization. Being at some point doesn't mean it will literally define all your beliefs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 05/23/18 11:33:51 PM #54:	Dash_Harber posted... Antifar posted... Dash_Harber posted... Not to mention that the whole thing is literally a spectrum, not a one or the other. Which is exactly how the study operated The key independent variable is respondents left-right position. The survey asks respondents to place themselves on the spectrum from 1 (left) to 10 (right). As Table 1 shows, there is a balance in the survey between left, right, and center. I recode the data with five groups: far left (1-2), center-left (3-4), center (5-6), center-right (7-8), and far right (9-10). Which, again, doesn't mean that centrists are bringing down democracy, not to mention those are pretty arbitrary definition and the fact that the spectrum is only a generalization. Being at some point doesn't mean it will literally define all your beliefs. The greatest stupidity in the article, perhaps, is that if everyone suddenly flipped over to either extreme...we wouldn't live in a democracy anymore. It's literally only the centrists that are keeping us from devolving into fascism / statism / authoritarianism. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:901884725] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Not to mention that the whole thing is literally a spectrum, not a one or the other. </quote> Which is exactly how the study operated <quote>The key independent variable is respondents left-right position. The survey asks respondents to place themselves on the spectrum from 1 (left) to 10 (right). As Table 1 shows, there is a balance in the survey between left, right, and center. I recode the data with five groups: far left (1-2), center-left (3-4), center (5-6), center-right (7-8), and far right (9-10).</quote></quote> Which, again, doesn't mean that centrists are bringing down democracy, not to mention those are pretty arbitrary definition and the fact that the spectrum is only a generalization. Being at some point doesn't mean it will literally define all your beliefs.</quote> The greatest stupidity in the article, perhaps, is that if everyone suddenly flipped over to either extreme...we wouldn't live in a democracy anymore. It's literally only the centrists that are keeping us from devolving into fascism / statism / authoritarianism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/23/18 11:36:28 PM #55:	I've thought this for a long time. Representative democracy needs representatives that stay consistent in their beliefs in order to work. Centrists tend to be the least consistent in their beliefs. The irony is they are the easiest to elect, since they can shift and sway and compromise in whatever way you want, yet the worst while in office. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901884842] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote>I've thought this for a long time. Representative democracy needs representatives that stay consistent in their beliefs in order to work. Centrists tend to be the least consistent in their beliefs. The irony is they are the easiest to elect, since they can shift and sway and compromise in whatever way you want, yet the worst while in office.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/23/18 11:37:45 PM #56:	Dash_Harber posted... Which, again, doesn't mean that centrists are bringing down democracy, What does is the fact that the center consistently responded with the most anti-democracy views https://imgur.com/edOHN2Q https://imgur.com/aVJ9DSV https://imgur.com/bvls9aA https://imgur.com/JQT8X7l --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:901884888] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Which, again, doesn't mean that centrists are bringing down democracy, </quote> What does is the fact that the center consistently responded with the most anti-democracy views https://imgur.com/edOHN2Q https://imgur.com/aVJ9DSV https://imgur.com/bvls9aA https://imgur.com/JQT8X7l</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 05/23/18 11:38:37 PM #57:	Antifar posted... Dash_Harber posted... Which, again, doesn't mean that centrists are bringing down democracy, What does is the fact that the center consistently responded with the most anti-democracy views https://imgur.com/edOHN2Q https://imgur.com/aVJ9DSV https://imgur.com/bvls9aA https://imgur.com/JQT8X7l And again, people are self identifying here. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:901884934] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Which, again, doesn't mean that centrists are bringing down democracy, </quote> What does is the fact that the center consistently responded with the most anti-democracy views https://imgur.com/edOHN2Q https://imgur.com/aVJ9DSV https://imgur.com/bvls9aA https://imgur.com/JQT8X7l</quote> And again, people are self identifying here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 05/23/18 11:39:30 PM #58:	Antifar posted... Dash_Harber posted... Which, again, doesn't mean that centrists are bringing down democracy, What does is the fact that the center consistently responded with the most anti-democracy views https://imgur.com/edOHN2Q https://imgur.com/aVJ9DSV https://imgur.com/bvls9aA https://imgur.com/JQT8X7l youre going in a circle. youre once again assuming that his definitions are valid and that the correlation is strong. when in fact some people who oppose too much immigration are leftists who realize you can't just import millions of refugees at once without causing problems. etc. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:901884965] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Which, again, doesn't mean that centrists are bringing down democracy, </quote> What does is the fact that the center consistently responded with the most anti-democracy views https://imgur.com/edOHN2Q https://imgur.com/aVJ9DSV https://imgur.com/bvls9aA https://imgur.com/JQT8X7l</quote> youre going in a circle. youre once again assuming that his definitions are valid and that the correlation is strong. when in fact some people who oppose too much immigration are leftists who realize you can't just import millions of refugees at once without causing problems. etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/23/18 11:40:34 PM #59:	Dash_Harber posted... And again, people are self identifying here. Several studies have validated the use of left-right self-placements in cross-national analysis (Huber 1989; Knutsen 1995; Evans et al. 1996). --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:901885001] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>And again, people are self identifying here. </quote> <quote>Several studies have validated the use of left-right self-placements in cross-national analysis (Huber 1989; Knutsen 1995; Evans et al. 1996).</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 05/23/18 11:40:42 PM #60:	and once again, his conclusion literally doesnt match reality. if everyone was far left or far right, we'd collapse as a democracy. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:901885008] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote>and once again, his conclusion literally doesnt match reality. if everyone was far left or far right, we'd collapse as a democracy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 05/23/18 11:41:05 PM #61:	Antifar posted... Dash_Harber posted... And again, people are self identifying here. Several studies have validated the use of left-right self-placements in cross-national analysis (Huber 1989; Knutsen 1995; Evans et al. 1996). That's not what self-identifying means. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:901885028] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>And again, people are self identifying here. </quote> <quote>Several studies have validated the use of left-right self-placements in cross-national analysis (Huber 1989; Knutsen 1995; Evans et al. 1996).</quote></quote> That's not what self-identifying means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 05/23/18 11:42:00 PM #62:	Sure, lets all be extremists. --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:901885060] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote>Sure, lets all be extremists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/23/18 11:44:57 PM #63:	silentwing26x posted... and once again, his conclusion literally doesnt match reality. if everyone was far left or far right, we'd collapse as a democracy. That's not reality. That's gospel. You seem to have trouble accepting data that points to counter intuitive results. Which is a solid reason why democracy can fail too. People common sensing it rather than doing the research. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901885174] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>and once again, his conclusion literally doesnt match reality. if everyone was far left or far right, we'd collapse as a democracy.</quote> That's not reality. That's gospel. You seem to have trouble accepting data that points to counter intuitive results. Which is a solid reason why democracy can fail too. People common sensing it rather than doing the research.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 05/23/18 11:49:23 PM #64:	https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000609 lol sociologists love to abuse quantitative cross national analyses to try to force all kinds of preconceived notions onto data sets, so they can then take those correlations and say "da data says!!! DA DATA SEYZ!!!!1!1!1!1" you can make this shit say anything you want. until there are applications of it that can create predictions which can be falsified it is worthless. literally just smoke and mirrors and shills trying to peddle their wares with an artificial air of legitimacy <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:901885336] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000609 lol sociologists love to abuse quantitative cross national analyses to try to force all kinds of preconceived notions onto data sets, so they can then take those correlations and say "da data says!!! DA DATA SEYZ!!!!1!1!1!1" you can make this shit say anything you want. until there are applications of it that can create predictions which can be falsified it is worthless. literally just smoke and mirrors and shills trying to peddle their wares with an artificial air of legitimacy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 05/23/18 11:50:07 PM #65:	wah_wah_wah posted... silentwing26x posted... and once again, his conclusion literally doesnt match reality. if everyone was far left or far right, we'd collapse as a democracy. That's not reality. That's gospel. You seem to have trouble accepting data that points to counter intuitive results. Which is a solid reason why democracy can fail too. People common sensing it rather than doing the research. the core aspects of the far left and far right as commonly understood are anti-democracy <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:901885368] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>and once again, his conclusion literally doesnt match reality. if everyone was far left or far right, we'd collapse as a democracy.</quote> That's not reality. That's gospel. You seem to have trouble accepting data that points to counter intuitive results. Which is a solid reason why democracy can fail too. People common sensing it rather than doing the research.</quote> the core aspects of the far left and far right as commonly understood are anti-democracy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 05/23/18 11:57:11 PM #66:	Fake news and bias, we all know the extreme right and left are the true dangers. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:901885643] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote>Fake news and bias, we all know the extreme right and left are the true dangers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/24/18 12:00:31 AM #67:	silentwing26x posted... wah_wah_wah posted... silentwing26x posted... and once again, his conclusion literally doesnt match reality. if everyone was far left or far right, we'd collapse as a democracy. That's not reality. That's gospel. You seem to have trouble accepting data that points to counter intuitive results. Which is a solid reason why democracy can fail too. People common sensing it rather than doing the research. the core aspects of the far left and far right as commonly understood are anti-democracy It was once commonly understood that Africans were inferior based on the shape of their skull. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901885778] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>and once again, his conclusion literally doesnt match reality. if everyone was far left or far right, we'd collapse as a democracy.</quote> That's not reality. That's gospel. You seem to have trouble accepting data that points to counter intuitive results. Which is a solid reason why democracy can fail too. People common sensing it rather than doing the research.</quote> the core aspects of the far left and far right as commonly understood are anti-democracy</quote> It was once commonly understood that Africans were inferior based on the shape of their skull.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 05/24/18 12:03:18 AM #68:	wah_wah_wah posted... silentwing26x posted... wah_wah_wah posted... silentwing26x posted... and once again, his conclusion literally doesnt match reality. if everyone was far left or far right, we'd collapse as a democracy. That's not reality. That's gospel. You seem to have trouble accepting data that points to counter intuitive results. Which is a solid reason why democracy can fail too. People common sensing it rather than doing the research. the core aspects of the far left and far right as commonly understood are anti-democracy It was once commonly understood that Africans were inferior based on the shape of their skull. Are you a Marxist? <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:901885910] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>and once again, his conclusion literally doesnt match reality. if everyone was far left or far right, we'd collapse as a democracy.</quote> That's not reality. That's gospel. You seem to have trouble accepting data that points to counter intuitive results. Which is a solid reason why democracy can fail too. People common sensing it rather than doing the research.</quote> the core aspects of the far left and far right as commonly understood are anti-democracy</quote> It was once commonly understood that Africans were inferior based on the shape of their skull.</quote> Are you a Marxist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/24/18 12:04:46 AM #69:	silentwing26x posted... wah_wah_wah posted... silentwing26x posted... wah_wah_wah posted... silentwing26x posted... and once again, his conclusion literally doesnt match reality. if everyone was far left or far right, we'd collapse as a democracy. That's not reality. That's gospel. You seem to have trouble accepting data that points to counter intuitive results. Which is a solid reason why democracy can fail too. People common sensing it rather than doing the research. the core aspects of the far left and far right as commonly understood are anti-democracy It was once commonly understood that Africans were inferior based on the shape of their skull. Are you a Marxist? I guess believing in empirically backed research makes one a Marxist now. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901885964] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>and once again, his conclusion literally doesnt match reality. if everyone was far left or far right, we'd collapse as a democracy.</quote> That's not reality. That's gospel. You seem to have trouble accepting data that points to counter intuitive results. Which is a solid reason why democracy can fail too. People common sensing it rather than doing the research.</quote> the core aspects of the far left and far right as commonly understood are anti-democracy</quote> It was once commonly understood that Africans were inferior based on the shape of their skull.</quote> Are you a Marxist?</quote> I guess believing in empirically backed research makes one a Marxist now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 05/24/18 12:34:54 AM #70:	I'm curious what you both think about post 30 @silentwing26x @Antifar If it's not too much trouble on your parts ofc. Edit: 29 not 30. I'm an idiot. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:901887147] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote>I'm curious what you both think about post 30 @silentwing26x @Antifar If it's not too much trouble on your parts ofc. Edit: 29 not 30. I'm an idiot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 05/24/18 12:40:13 AM #71:	Antifar: "Waaaahhh! Some people hold moderate opinions instead of being good little Marxist comrades who will join the revolution to steal the means of production! Waaaaaahhhhhh!" --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:901887346] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote>Antifar: "Waaaahhh! Some people hold moderate opinions instead of being good little Marxist comrades who will join the revolution to steal the means of production! Waaaaaahhhhhh!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/24/18 12:42:28 AM #72:	DifferentialEquation posted... Antifar: "Waaaahhh! Some people hold moderate opinions instead of being good little Marxist comrades who will join the revolution to steal the means of production! Waaaaaahhhhhh!" Honestly the far right has shown more respect for elections too. I'm not sure why you entirely blame Marxist like a crazy person that's had a little too much soap to eat. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901887417] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>Antifar: "Waaaahhh! Some people hold moderate opinions instead of being good little Marxist comrades who will join the revolution to steal the means of production! Waaaaaahhhhhh!"</quote> Honestly the far right has shown more respect for elections too. I'm not sure why you entirely blame Marxist like a crazy person that's had a little too much soap to eat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 05/24/18 11:26:37 AM #73:	There's two kinds of centrists, the kind who have no beliefs and just want to seem smart or avoid conflict by taking the middle road, and the people who hold genuine beliefs but happen to be in the middle of the road politically speaking. Most people have a problem with the former, not the latter. At the same time though, those in the latter will complain about anyone who is far to the Left or Right, implying they're the problem. The problem with centrism isn't about what views they have, it's that Centrism doesn't actually add anything to discussion or promote change. Instead, Centrism merely reinforces the status quo while not providing solutions. Like they're trying to remain on this moral high ground of not devolving into extremes and nothing else. Centrism is the naive position. That's not to say that centrism is naive, it's just that if you're not really familiar with political theory and don't understand why people believe the things they do, you're probably going to pick something non-controversial that doesn't challenge the status quo. Because of this, many people who do not have well examined positions are centrists. Stupid people then conclude that this means that any belief that happens to fall towards the center must be unexamined and wrong and come up with absurd strawmen about "killing half the jews." But that's not the issue. But still, at the end, it's not clear what centrists actually do believe. It's pretty straightforward to articulate monarchist or socialist or democratic or progressive ideological commitments. Can you explain centrism? It just becomes this special snowflake way of rejecting labels, as if that's the core issue with politics and not anything else. Usually runs along with people who think we should disband political parties or institute term limits. Y'know, people who are trying to seem smart by pretending not to have an interest in politics. They pretend to be nuanced and principled but aren't. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:901905066] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote>There's two kinds of centrists, the kind who have no beliefs and just want to seem smart or avoid conflict by taking the middle road, and the people who hold genuine beliefs but happen to be in the middle of the road politically speaking. Most people have a problem with the former, not the latter. At the same time though, those in the latter will complain about anyone who is far to the Left or Right, implying they're the problem. The problem with centrism isn't about what views they have, it's that Centrism doesn't actually add anything to discussion or promote change. Instead, Centrism merely reinforces the status quo while not providing solutions. Like they're trying to remain on this moral high ground of not devolving into extremes and nothing else. Centrism is the naive position. That's not to say that centrism is naive, it's just that if you're not really familiar with political theory and don't understand why people believe the things they do, you're probably going to pick something non-controversial that doesn't challenge the status quo. Because of this, many people who do not have well examined positions are centrists. Stupid people then conclude that this means that any belief that happens to fall towards the center must be unexamined and wrong and come up with absurd strawmen about "killing half the jews." But that's not the issue. But still, at the end, it's not clear what centrists actually do believe. It's pretty straightforward to articulate monarchist or socialist or democratic or progressive ideological commitments. Can you explain centrism? It just becomes this special snowflake way of rejecting labels, as if that's the core issue with politics and not anything else. Usually runs along with people who think we should disband political parties or institute term limits. Y'know, people who are trying to seem smart by pretending not to have an interest in politics. They pretend to be nuanced and principled but aren't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/24/18 11:29:11 AM #74:	Antifar posted... https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Radical_center_(politics) really has nothing to do with this survey silentwing26x posted... Antifar posted... He's saying that data (which let people self-identify their views) basically worthless nah it is worthwhile but it should make you think about the kind of person who would describe themselves as centrist in a survey like this it isn't the kind of person who identifies as a 'radical centrist' that is for sure --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:901905185] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Radical_center_(politics)</quote> really has nothing to do with this survey <cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>He's saying that data (which let people self-identify their views)</quote> basically worthless</quote> nah it is worthwhile but it should make you think about the kind of person who would describe themselves as centrist in a survey like this it isn't the kind of person who identifies as a 'radical centrist' that is for sure</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 05/24/18 11:42:08 AM #76:	silentwing26x posted... The person who wrote that article is literally a socialist. Thanks, Joseph Mccarthy. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:901905766] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>The person who wrote that article is literally a socialist. </quote> Thanks, Joseph Mccarthy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/24/18 11:48:48 AM #77:	Master_Bass posted... silentwing26x posted... The person who wrote that article is literally a socialist. Thanks, Joseph Mccarthy. is David Adler, or anyone else who works for NYT or WaPo or [insert basically any major news outlet here] an actual socialist, or is it just silentwing making shit up --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:901906115] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Master_Bass posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>The person who wrote that article is literally a socialist. </quote> Thanks, Joseph Mccarthy.</quote> is David Adler, or anyone else who works for NYT or WaPo or [insert basically any major news outlet here] an actual socialist, or is it just silentwing making shit up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 05/24/18 11:57:21 AM #79:	Hinakuluiau posted... There's two kinds of centrists, the kind who have no beliefs and just want to seem smart or avoid conflict by taking the middle road, and the people who hold genuine beliefs but happen to be in the middle of the road politically speaking. Most people have a problem with the former, not the latter. What does this mean? Like say you are pro-life and support unions and those are the most important political issues to you. Are you "taking the middle road" ? Or maybe you are a Democrat on every issue besides abortion. Or maybe you are a Republican on every issue besides unions. Or maybe you support what your church supports. Or maybe ... The traditional political spectrum is meaningless. Being in the middle can mean more than one thing, and certain stances are on the left or right side just because. And what is wrong with being neutral on an issue, or many issues? --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:901906547] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote>There's two kinds of centrists, the kind who have no beliefs and just want to seem smart or avoid conflict by taking the middle road, and the people who hold genuine beliefs but happen to be in the middle of the road politically speaking. Most people have a problem with the former, not the latter.</quote> What does this mean? Like say you are pro-life and support unions and those are the most important political issues to you. Are you "taking the middle road" ? Or maybe you are a Democrat on every issue besides abortion. Or maybe you are a Republican on every issue besides unions. Or maybe you support what your church supports. Or maybe ... The traditional political spectrum is meaningless. Being in the middle can mean more than one thing, and certain stances are on the left or right side just because. And what is wrong with being neutral on an issue, or many issues?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 05/24/18 12:05:48 PM #80:	Balrog0 posted... nah it is worthwhile but it should make you think about the kind of person who would describe themselves as centrist in a survey like this Yeah, I guess I don't get the complaints of "This isn't about people who are centrist, it's about people who identify as centrist!" as a criticism of the overall article. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:901906946] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>nah it is worthwhile but it should make you think about the kind of person who would describe themselves as centrist in a survey like this</quote> Yeah, I guess I don't get the complaints of "This isn't about people who are centrist, it's about people who identify as centrist!" as a criticism of the overall article.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 05/24/18 12:12:03 PM #81:	What are you supposed to call yourself if you have some views that are liberal, some views that are conservative, etc. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:901907266] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote>What are you supposed to call yourself if you have some views that are liberal, some views that are conservative, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/24/18 12:12:58 PM #82:	Damn_Underscore posted... What are you supposed to call yourself if you have some views that are liberal, some views that are conservative, etc. my suspicion is that most centrists do not have many strongly held political views at all, so they are fine with a selection process that isn't free and open and with a leader who is more likely to just do shit without input --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:901907317] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>What are you supposed to call yourself if you have some views that are liberal, some views that are conservative, etc.</quote> my suspicion is that most centrists do not have many strongly held political views at all, so they are fine with a selection process that isn't free and open and with a leader who is more likely to just do shit without input</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 05/24/18 12:13:24 PM #83:	"Hostile" <cite>knutjob posted [p:901907339] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote>"Hostile"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/24/18 12:18:26 PM #84:	averagejoel posted... Master_Bass posted... silentwing26x posted... The person who wrote that article is literally a socialist. Thanks, Joseph Mccarthy. is David Adler, or anyone else who works for NYT or WaPo or [insert basically any major news outlet here] an actual socialist, or is it just silentwing making shit up Adler's been published by Jacobin (mainly on issues pertaining to Mexico), but you know how that is. FWIW his Twitter feed seems reasonably lefty --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:901907629] in "Cent... [t:76637457]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Master_Bass posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>The person who wrote that article is literally a socialist. </quote> Thanks, Joseph Mccarthy.</quote> is David Adler, or anyone else who works for NYT or WaPo or [insert basically any major news outlet here] an actual socialist, or is it just silentwing making shit up</quote> Adler's been published by Jacobin (mainly on issues pertaining to Mexico), but you know how that is. FWIW his Twitter feed seems reasonably lefty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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