Current Events > Sante Fe Shooter: I want my story told.

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Dimitrios Pagourtzis, 17, entered the school with a shotgun and .38 revolver and allegedly opened fire during a first-period art class at Santa Fe High School. Pagourtzis said he did not kill the people he liked because he wanted his story told, according to a probable cause affidavit.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/05/19/santa-fe-school-shooter-dimitrios-pagourtzis-spared-the-lives-of-people-he-liked-police/23438889/

Proof to stop fucking publicizing these shootings. Or at least stop nationalizing them. We know, they are tragedies, but all this does is empowers those capable of actually going through with it.

Want to stop these shootings? There are two key, overlooked causes of this.
- Depressed kids are overly medicated.
- The Media gives them a status where they are no longer "just another face in the crowd"

We need to tackle depression by trying to get people to become social again, and media outlets need to stop publicizing this shit.

Screw the guns. Screw gun control. We are overlooking the actual problems here.
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ignore the problem and it will go away
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Hexenherz posted...

ignore the problem and it will go away

We've done nothing and it isn't working. Guess that's it.
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Sayoria posted...

Screw the guns. Screw gun control. We are overlooking the actual problems here.

I feel like other countries also have depressed kids who would like to be famous, though.
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LOL
nope
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Why couldn't he just write a blog or make a youtube account like everyone else that's in desperate need of attention?
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AOL is still alive?

Antifar posted...

Sayoria posted...

Screw the guns. Screw gun control. We are overlooking the actual problems here.

I feel like other countries also have depressed kids who would like to be famous, though.

They aren't as nationalized as the US makes it. When the Parkland event happened, when the Sandy Hook event happened, when Columbine happened.... we never just let it go away. We made it nationally known these events were just awful and the worst things ever. There's no way other countries place as much focus on a national level of these shootings. Terrorism? Sure. School shootings? I doubt that greatly.
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These kinds of guns have been around for decades and decades. Yet this was extremely rare in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s even up until Columbine at the end of that decade.

Then it's been way more frequent in the 2010s in particular.

The guns haven't changed. Something else has changed.

The 24/7 media obsession with these shooters is a part of it. Kids who grew up constantly hearing about shootings like Columbine are now getting old enough to start doing the shootings themselves (actually that was the case with the Sandy Hook shooting which was over 5 years ago, soon that will be the shooting the kids grew up obsessing over).

So I place the blame on the media.
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I think it's very lazy to blame the media and say that kids are wanting fame
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Sayoria posted...

Antifar posted...

Sayoria posted...

Screw the guns. Screw gun control. We are overlooking the actual problems here.

I feel like other countries also have depressed kids who would like to be famous, though.

They aren't as nationalized as the US makes it. When the Parkland event happened, when the Sandy Hook event happened, when Columbine happened.... we never just let it go away. We made it nationally known these events were just awful and the worst things ever. There's no way other countries place as much focus on a national level of these shootings. Terrorism? Sure. School shootings? I doubt that greatly.

Probably because they don't happen in any of those other countries with anywhere near the frequency as they do here. And when they do happen, they enact policies to curtail further school shootings, not just do nothing, complain it isn't working, then continue to do nothing.
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Just ignore the problem.
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Are you blaming school shootings on medication?
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Sativa_Rose posted...

These kinds of guns have been around for decades and decades. Yet this was extremely rare in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s even up until Columbine at the end of that decade.

Then it's been way more frequent in the 2010s in particular.

The guns haven't changed. Something else has changed.

The 24/7 media obsession with these shooters is a part of it. Kids who grew up constantly hearing about shootings like Columbine are now getting old enough to start doing the shootings themselves (actually that was the case with the Sandy Hook shooting which was over 5 years ago, soon that will be the shooting the kids grew up obsessing over).

So I place the blame on the media.

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Sativa_Rose posted...

These kinds of guns have been around for decades and decades. Yet this was extremely rare in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s even up until Columbine at the end of that decade.

Then it's been way more frequent in the 2010s in particular.

The guns haven't changed. Something else has changed.

The 24/7 media obsession with these shooters is a part of it. Kids who grew up constantly hearing about shootings like Columbine are now getting old enough to start doing the shootings themselves (actually that was the case with the Sandy Hook shooting which was over 5 years ago, soon that will be the shooting the kids grew up obsessing over).

So I place the blame on the media.

It's part of it, yes. The other part is medication. Kids who isolate themselves from society find something "wrong with themselves" and instead of going out, joining a sports team, taking up a hobby or whatever, they remain in the isolation and get on Xanax or something. Then they get suicidal thoughts, believe there's nothing worth living for and figure "I am the most miserable person on the world, but I can make others miserable and become popular if I do a mass shooting. Those seem super popular and grant instant fame."
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Sayoria posted...

They aren't as nationalized as the US makes it. When the Parkland event happened, when the Sandy Hook event happened, when Columbine happened.... we never just let it go away. We made it nationally known these events were just awful and the worst things ever. There's no way other countries place as much focus on a national level of these shootings. Terrorism? Sure. School shootings?

I mean, that's because they don't have them.
https://twitter.com/MarcHilberer/status/997531945977475073

And I don't buy for a second that our media is more sensationalist than the UK.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Are you blaming school shootings on medication?

Part of it, absolutely.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Are you blaming school shootings on medication?

youd be a fool to say this issue is because of one thing and one thing alone
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Antifar posted...

Sayoria posted...

They aren't as nationalized as the US makes it. When the Parkland event happened, when the Sandy Hook event happened, when Columbine happened.... we never just let it go away. We made it nationally known these events were just awful and the worst things ever. There's no way other countries place as much focus on a national level of these shootings. Terrorism? Sure. School shootings?

I mean, that's because they don't have them.
https://twitter.com/MarcHilberer/status/997531945977475073

And I don't buy for a second that our media is more sensationalist than the UK.

Yep, and their media doesn't constantly air the idea to their viewers. They let those few remain locally dealt with. As for us, we make them so blown out of proportion to terrorist levels that everyone in this country sees it and reacts emotionally one way or another. If we you know.... didn't give a shit after Columbine and let the local people deal with it, the domino effect probably wouldn't have happened. At least to this magnitude.
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This every kid gets a trophy generation

All these kids are coddled and told how special they are for so long but then some of them get to high school and realized they've been lied to and that not everybody can be a winner and they just can't deal with reality
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Sayoria posted...

Screw the guns. Screw gun control. We are overlooking the actual problems here.

i hate when people say this for anything.."the ACTUAL problem"..there are multiple problems here. stop trying to downplay and overplay the other. we can focus on all this together. its not a fuckin contest.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Sayoria posted...

Screw the guns. Screw gun control. We are overlooking the actual problems here.

i hate when people say this for anything.."the ACTUAL problem"..there are multiple problems here. stop trying to downplay and overplay the other. we can focus on all this together. its not a fuckin contest.

Says the person who swears they're not after a gun ban, yet only ever seems to be pushing for a gun ban
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Sayoria posted...

Yep, and their media doesn't constantly air the idea to their viewers. They let those few remain locally dealt with.

No, they changed policies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
There was no shortage of coverage for these events. But they didn't crack down on the media, they cracked down on firearms.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

Sayoria posted...

Screw the guns. Screw gun control. We are overlooking the actual problems here.

i hate when people say this for anything.."the ACTUAL problem"..there are multiple problems here. stop trying to downplay and overplay the other. we can focus on all this together. its not a fuckin contest.

Says the person who swears they're not after a gun ban, yet only ever seems to be pushing for a gun ban

i've never pushed for a gun ban. but go ahead and keep thinking what you want. I'm not going to argue with you about it again. you've got your mind made up on me and my opinions (much of which is wrong). feel free to continue to live in your ignorance, proudclad.
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Antifar posted...

Sayoria posted...

Yep, and their media doesn't constantly air the idea to their viewers. They let those few remain locally dealt with.

No, they changed policies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
There was no shortage of coverage for these events. But they didn't crack down on the media, they cracked down on firearms.

And neither country had firearms as part of their core rights enshrined in a Constitution, or hundreds of millions of firearms in circulation. And now in the UK you can be imprisoned for posting rap lyrics on your Facebook wall.
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Antifar posted...

Sayoria posted...

Yep, and their media doesn't constantly air the idea to their viewers. They let those few remain locally dealt with.

No, they changed policies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
There was no shortage of coverage for these events. But they didn't crack down on the media, they cracked down on firearms.

Banning guns is a preventative, not the source of the problem. These would-be shooters are still disturbed and their desire to do these attacks is only continuing to occur. If not guns, knives. It doesn't matter.
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Sayoria posted...

If we you know.... didn't give a shit after Columbine and let the local people deal with it, the domino effect probably wouldn't have happened. At least to this magnitude.

Hexenherz posted...

ignore the problem and it will go away

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A_Good_Boy posted...

Sayoria posted...

If we you know.... didn't give a shit after Columbine and let the local people deal with it, the domino effect probably wouldn't have happened. At least to this magnitude.

Hexenherz posted...

ignore the problem and it will go away

Hence, stop media from covering it.
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Sayoria posted...

These would-be shooters are still disturbed and their desire to do these attacks is only continuing to occur. If not guns, knives. It doesn't matter.

That is correct. However, they are not motivated because they want to be famous.
It's a nice soundbite people deflect to but it's not the answer.
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Sayoria posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Sayoria posted...

If we you know.... didn't give a shit after Columbine and let the local people deal with it, the domino effect probably wouldn't have happened. At least to this magnitude.

Hexenherz posted...

ignore the problem and it will go away

Hence, stop media from covering it.

Therefore you assume it'll go away.
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There are plenty of ways to easily get attention and most people on medication never hurt people.
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Why do the shitposters who want to ban guns never acknowledge that these guns were around for decades without these shootings being commonplace?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Why do the shitposters who want to ban guns never acknowledge that these guns were around for decades without these shootings being commonplace?

It isn't guns, but what is it?
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No, fuck him. Focus on the victims

I don't think the media covering these tragedies is the problem. People are going to know and talk about these thing regardless of how much they're covered. There's always been a strong public fascination with the horrible and notorious. It's why car crashes and train wrecks get rubberneckers. If serious coverage of tragic event were the issue there would have been a massive surge of planes being rammed into buildings in the last decade and a half.

There's a lot of factors that go into this problem, but I think the main one is the public at large accepting and glorifying bad behavior. Remember back in the late 90's when trash tv like Springer and Jackass were all the rage? It's not surprising to me that Columbine happened during that time. When douchebags are getting recognition for being douchebags, is it any wonder already damaged people decided to shoot up a school? Shit has only gotten worse since then. These days with the rise of things like WorldStar, provocateurs like Milo Yiannopoulos and just trolling in and of itself has had a huge impact on people. You want to get attention? Be a horrible person and do horrible things. I mean, just look at how people in the political world act these days and all the positive attention they get. The two worst candidates in decades and people were actually holding them up as some kind of role models.

At any rate, you aren't going to change nature of people, so it's a moot point I guess. Shits fucked and it ain't gonna stop no matter how much people argue about it. In the end, some right will probably to be taken away from the people to even put a dent in the problem, be it the second amendment or the first that allows us to say and enjoy horrible and crass things. The question is, is it worth giving up that right for the feeling of more security? I dunno what I'm even typing anymore. I'm drunk and a tired so I'll just leave it at that.
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