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Full Throttle
05/18/18 4:11:37 PM
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Do you think the Dad should be charged as well? - Results (12 votes)
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17 y/o Racist Alt-Right Freak, Dimitrios "Dimitri" Pagourtzis was the heavily armed student who entered an art classroom and yelled "SURPRISE!" and gunned down 10 people in Santa Fe High School in Texas!!

The majority of the deceased were students with a dozen more injured, including a police officer who was shot in t he shoulder.

He carried an AR-15 rifle, a pistol and shotgun, all believed to be owned by his DAD who is an NRA supporter and big fan of "Dana Loesch"

On his now deleted facebook page, he had a black t-shirt with the words "Born to Kill" which he wore during thee massacre. He also wore combat style boots and a trench coat which students said he wore everyday. Students also said he was on the freshman junior varsity football team and was on the honour roll in 9th grade. He also stated he wanted to join the Marines and attended CHURCH

He also wore various racist insignia including the Nazi Iron Cross which he wrote stood for "bravery" and patches of garb including the rising sun, a Communist hammer and a sickle pin and a depiction of the idol Baphomet which symbolized "Evil"

A week earlier, he showed a picture of a handgun and a knife on his instagram

Police also found pipe bombs inside the school and urged residents to be vigilant if they see anything suspicious

Students Dakota Shrader and Tyler Turner said she heard the fire alarm go off and gunfire outside with loud explosions as teachers told students to run.

Trump again tweeted his thoughts and prayers who has said this has been going on too long in America but many have said this will still not change any gun laws as Parkland Survivor David Hogg said the right-wing media will go attack victims and claim they are "crisis actors" as nothing will change.

The school had more than 1400 students from grade 9-12 where the senior class were set to graduate

This is the 22nd mass shooting in 2018 as politicians still fail to provide any sensible gun law legislation.

People in Texas must be 18 in order to buy a firearm as it's believed he took his Guns from his Gun Loving Father

Do you think the Dad should be charged too?

Dimitri - Murderer

http://tinyurl.com/ya73xqlx

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/18/20/4C6946B800000578-5745025-image-a-123_1526672869768.jpg

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/ddffolwvqaer8lk.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/18/19/4C68E1DA00000578-5745025-image-a-116_1526669048341.jpg

His disturbing posts -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/18/18/4C688B5600000578-5745025-image-a-87_1526665612762.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/18/19/4C689AE000000578-5745025-image-a-111_1526668866378.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/18/19/4C689AF300000578-5745025-image-m-120_1526669221541.jpg

Shooting Scene -

http://tinyurl.com/yd3whg3f

http://tinyurl.com/yb75ws2e

http://tinyurl.com/ybhrtp6g

http://tinyurl.com/yc65njek

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/18/19/4C68DF7000000578-5745025-image-a-114_1526669019775.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/18/17/4C67358000000578-5745025-image-a-82_1526662305288.jpg

David Hogg -

http://tinyurl.com/ybzqo5sj
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jayj350
05/18/18 4:12:24 PM
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This is largely the dads fault. If he properly stored his firearms this would have never happened.

There is no excuse to allowing angsty immature teens to have access to guns.
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Tyranthraxus
05/18/18 4:13:29 PM
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jayj350 posted...
This is largely the dads fault. If he properly stored his firearms this would have never happened.

There is no excuse to allowing angsty immature teens to have access to guns.


Give me a fucking break with this shit
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deupd_u
05/18/18 4:14:03 PM
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Full Throttle posted...
a trench coat which students said he wore everyday.

Hmmm........
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Drowning__Fish_
05/18/18 4:14:09 PM
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Full Throttle posted...
David Hogg -

http://tinyurl.com/ybzqo5sj


This addition at the very end made me chuckle
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The Admiral
05/18/18 4:15:46 PM
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Full Throttle posted...
Do you think the Dad should be charged too?


Depends on how much effort the dad made to secure the firearms. As a responsible gun owner, you have an obligation to make sure your underage children do not have easy access to them.
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Caution999
05/18/18 4:16:35 PM
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The Dad is the one at fault, here. No responsibility.
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Zeeak4444
05/18/18 4:18:10 PM
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Charge the dad with aiding and abetting.
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Zeeak4444
05/18/18 4:18:42 PM
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Caution999 posted...
The Dad is the one at fault, here. No responsibility.


You mean one of the ones at fault, clearly.
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Veggeta X
05/18/18 4:19:08 PM
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Holy shit I swore I knew 6 kids like this back in high School. They weren't called trench coats, though they preferred it to be called dusters lmao.
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littlebro07
05/18/18 4:19:33 PM
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Caution999 posted...
The Dad is the one at fault, here. No responsibility.


Yeah, he picked up those guns and shot those kids. His son did nothing.
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gp1829
05/18/18 4:20:36 PM
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Caution999 posted...
The Dad is the one at fault, here. No responsibility.


I mean he shares some blame but are we saying the shooter isn't at fault?
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The Admiral
05/18/18 4:20:50 PM
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Also, this idiot was pro-communism in addition to having Nazi regalia. Seems more like he was confused and trying way too hard to be a rebel than he was political. Duckbear added all the "alt-right" shit to the OP that wasn't in the Dailymail article he's plagiarizing.
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Caution999
05/18/18 4:20:50 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
Caution999 posted...
The Dad is the one at fault, here. No responsibility.


Yeah, he picked up those guns and shot those kids. His son did nothing.


If I leave the scissors on the coffee table, and if I had a 3 year old walking around...and he hurts himself or someone else with said scissors:

Who's fault is that?

Responsible gun ownership. The father really screwed up here.
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BillWardsPants
05/18/18 4:21:17 PM
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Is Bisexual-Pride an aspect of the Alt-Right that Im unfamiliar with?

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mustachedmystic
05/18/18 4:21:34 PM
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You probably hear this a lot, but the way you capitalize random letters is really ODD.
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Zikten
05/18/18 4:22:05 PM
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Full Throttle posted...
He also wore various racist insignia including the Nazi Iron Cross which he wrote stood for "bravery" and patches of garb including the rising sun, a Communist hammer and a sickle pin and a depiction of the idol Baphomet which symbolized "Evil"

you left out Cthulhu for "power".
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BillWardsPants
05/18/18 4:23:05 PM
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Zikten posted...
Full Throttle posted...
He also wore various racist insignia including the Nazi Iron Cross which he wrote stood for "bravery" and patches of garb including the rising sun, a Communist hammer and a sickle pin and a depiction of the idol Baphomet which symbolized "Evil"

you left out Cthulhu for "power".


So a bunch of conflicting ideologies then?
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Kisai
05/18/18 4:24:24 PM
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As usual, you are a piece of shit.
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Zikten
05/18/18 4:24:29 PM
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yea. cause communists and nazis are supposed to be mortal enemies. historically they hated each other and their styles are different.
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The Admiral
05/18/18 4:24:32 PM
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Caution999 posted...
littlebro07 posted...
Caution999 posted...
The Dad is the one at fault, here. No responsibility.


Yeah, he picked up those guns and shot those kids. His son did nothing.


If I leave the scissors on the coffee table, and if I had a 3 year old walking around...and he hurts himself or someone else with said scissors:

Who's fault is that?

Responsible gun ownership. The father really screwed up here.


I think it really depends on what the father did. I mean, if he had them locked up and well out of sight, with gun and bullets in a different location, and the son used an axe or bolt cutter to get them -- it's hard to argue that the father was negligent. There is only so much you can do to prevent a determined 17 year-old with unlimited access to your house from getting them.

However, if he just had them in an easily accessible cabinet where anyone could have picked them up on a whim, I'd say he owns some legal responsibility for this. Not to mention the parental failures of raising a child who's capable of doing this.
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jayj350
05/18/18 4:25:36 PM
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Caution999 posted...
The Dad is the one at fault, here. No responsibility.

Exactly. It is like letting a kid who is too young to drive have access to an SUV, if the kid kills people with it, it is clearly the fault of his parents who let him do that.

It is like letting kids have access to keg of beer and getting pissed at alcohol regulations when they die by alcohol poisoning.
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Caution999
05/18/18 4:26:33 PM
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Yeah that's true. I guess we'll wait and see how this guy stored his firearms. In the meantime, I understand this kid was posting pictures and stuff online with regards to said firearms?

Why is it that each one of these shootings there's a total failure from the FBI, to the school/friends/anyone who saw the post, and finally, to the parents?
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Mistere Man
05/18/18 4:29:26 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
Holy shit I swore I knew 6 kids like this back in high School. They weren't called trench coats, though they preferred it to be called dusters lmao.

I used to dress like that, and I still have the duster, but that stopped after columbine. I personally just liked the look.

Well except the combat boots I just liked the look of a black duster.
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Veggeta X
05/18/18 4:33:30 PM
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Let's wait for all the facts
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Sir Will
05/18/18 4:37:09 PM
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Full Throttle posted...
He also wore various racist insignia including the Nazi Iron Cross which he wrote stood for "bravery" and patches of garb including the rising sun, a Communist hammer and a sickle pin and a depiction of the idol Baphomet which symbolized "Evil"

Like on Facebook? I can't imagine it would be allowed to wear that in school.
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myzz7
05/18/18 4:40:26 PM
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Caution999 posted...
If I leave the scissors on the coffee table, and if I had a 3 year old walking around...and he hurts himself or someone else with said scissors:

a 17 yr old knowing right from wrong completely in conscious control of his actions isn't comparable to a 3yr old. try harder next time.
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Bishop9800
05/18/18 4:42:10 PM
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myzz7 posted...
Caution999 posted...
If I leave the scissors on the coffee table, and if I had a 3 year old walking around...and he hurts himself or someone else with said scissors:

a 17 yr old knowing right from wrong completely in conscious control of his actions isn't comparable to a 3yr old. try harder next time.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/18/18 4:44:23 PM
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Ban the ALT-RIGHT imo
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_BIueMonk
05/18/18 4:44:27 PM
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why are you all interacting with him, hes a known troll. stop it.
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Caution999
05/18/18 4:47:00 PM
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myzz7 posted...
Caution999 posted...
If I leave the scissors on the coffee table, and if I had a 3 year old walking around...and he hurts himself or someone else with said scissors:

a 17 yr old knowing right from wrong completely in conscious control of his actions isn't comparable to a 3yr old. try harder next time.


So what's your point? Ban all guns? Even if you restrict them from 18-22 year olds, he still gets the guns.

My point is, this was a failure from the FBI, the school, his peers who saw posts on the internet, and finally, to his parents.
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Tyranthraxus
05/18/18 4:53:30 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
jayj350 posted...
This is largely the dads fault. If he properly stored his firearms this would have never happened.

There is no excuse to allowing angsty immature teens to have access to guns.


Give me a fucking break with this shit


How is he wrong? @Tyranthraxus


1. 17 years old is old enough to enlist in the military and be trusted with actual assault rifles
2. The dad didn't shoot anybody
3. Guns are so fucking easy to get in this country that it doesn't matter if his dad locked it away or not. So goes the right wing talking point "banning guns only punishes peaceful legal gun owners"
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LightHawKnight
05/18/18 4:54:25 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
GregShmedley posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
jayj350 posted...
This is largely the dads fault. If he properly stored his firearms this would have never happened.

There is no excuse to allowing angsty immature teens to have access to guns.


Give me a fucking break with this shit


How is he wrong? @Tyranthraxus


1. 17 years old is old enough to enlist in the military and be trusted with actual assault rifles
2. The dad didn't shoot anybody
3. Guns are so fucking easy to get in this country that it doesn't matter if his dad locked it away or not. So goes the right wing talking point "banning guns only punishes peaceful legal gun owners"


17 is old enough to enlist, but without serious training no trust there. He is still a teenager developing, therefore parents still have some blame on what they do.

Also funnily enough a 17 year old needs parental consent.
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Zero_Destroyer
05/18/18 4:57:23 PM
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Also funnily enough a 17 year old needs parental consent.


I'm not sure if this is actually the case for Texas; age of consent here is 17 and so is age of emancipation.
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 4:57:31 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
GregShmedley posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
jayj350 posted...
This is largely the dads fault. If he properly stored his firearms this would have never happened.

There is no excuse to allowing angsty immature teens to have access to guns.


Give me a fucking break with this shit


How is he wrong? @Tyranthraxus


1. 17 years old is old enough to enlist in the military and be trusted with actual assault rifles
2. The dad didn't shoot anybody
3. Guns are so fucking easy to get in this country that it doesn't matter if his dad locked it away or not. So goes the right wing talking point "banning guns only punishes peaceful legal gun owners"


17 is old enough to enlist, but without serious training no trust there. He is still a teenager developing, therefore parents still have some blame on what they do.

Anyone who calls 8 weeks of boot camp with MAYBE a week of rifle training 'serious gun training' has never seen it, and doesn't know what he's talking about.
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 5:02:21 PM
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
Also funnily enough a 17 year old needs parental consent.


I'm not sure if this is actually the case for Texas; age of consent here is 17 and so is age of emancipation.

That's true in most states. However, without emancipation, 17-year-olds need parental permission to enlist.
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Tyranthraxus
05/18/18 5:12:26 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
I'm sorry, was he enlisted?

It doesn't matter. 17 years old is legally allowed to be trusted with military grade weaponry. Arguments that his dad should not have trusted his son around guns based on his age is fucking bollocks any way you slice it.
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Vertania
05/18/18 5:21:52 PM
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The Iron Cross isn't necessarily a Nazi symbol...
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Tyranthraxus
05/18/18 5:23:09 PM
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Vertania posted...
The Iron Cross isn't necessarily a Nazi symbol...

It was the highest award in the Nazi army, essentially equivalent to the Congressional Medal of Honor, and required Hitler's personal signature to award.

But okay.
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Sad_Face
05/18/18 5:23:43 PM
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The dude was 17, I was in college at that age. There's no reason why the Dad should take responsibility at this point unless you're going to arrest him for the charge of "poor parenting".
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/18/18 5:24:26 PM
#43:


The Admiral posted...
Caution999 posted...
littlebro07 posted...
Caution999 posted...
The Dad is the one at fault, here. No responsibility.


Yeah, he picked up those guns and shot those kids. His son did nothing.


If I leave the scissors on the coffee table, and if I had a 3 year old walking around...and he hurts himself or someone else with said scissors:

Who's fault is that?

Responsible gun ownership. The father really screwed up here.


I think it really depends on what the father did. I mean, if he had them locked up and well out of sight, with gun and bullets in a different location, and the son used an axe or bolt cutter to get them -- it's hard to argue that the father was negligent. There is only so much you can do to prevent a determined 17 year-old with unlimited access to your house from getting them.

However, if he just had them in an easily accessible cabinet where anyone could have picked them up on a whim, I'd say he owns some legal responsibility for this. Not to mention the parental failures of raising a child who's capable of doing this.


Imo he just left the guns out on a table or counter or something with sticky notes that said "Son, don't touch. -Dad" or something to that effect.
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/18/18 5:25:05 PM
#44:


Sad_Face posted...
The dude was 17, I was in college at that age. There's no reason why the Dad should take responsibility at this point unless you're going to arrest him for the charge of "poor parenting".


If the dad didn't monitor the firearm properly, he shares the blame.
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Naysaspace
05/18/18 5:26:33 PM
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Fuckin hell duckbear is great at laying out the facts
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Vertania
05/18/18 5:27:53 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It was the highest award in the Nazi army, essentially equivalent to the Congressional Medal of Honor, and required Hitler's personal signature to award.

But okay.

It was also used by German/Prussian armies beginning 120 years before the Third Reich was founded. But okay.
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sktgamer_13dude
05/18/18 5:28:15 PM
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Caution999 posted...
myzz7 posted...
Caution999 posted...
If I leave the scissors on the coffee table, and if I had a 3 year old walking around...and he hurts himself or someone else with said scissors:

a 17 yr old knowing right from wrong completely in conscious control of his actions isn't comparable to a 3yr old. try harder next time.


So what's your point? Ban all guns? Even if you restrict them from 18-22 year olds, he still gets the guns.

My point is, this was a failure from the FBI, the school, his peers who saw posts on the internet, and finally, to his parents.

So you blame everyone but the actual shooter?
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Ben_Ruggiero
05/18/18 5:28:43 PM
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Now this is shit posting
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Tyranthraxus
05/18/18 5:29:16 PM
#49:


Vertania posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
It was the highest award in the Nazi army, essentially equivalent to the Congressional Medal of Honor, and required Hitler's personal signature to award.

But okay.

It was also used by German/Prussian armies beginning 120 years before the Third Reich was founded. But okay.

Yeah I'm sure he was wearing it because he was a Prussian history buff.
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pauIie
05/18/18 5:30:32 PM
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wow the usual suspects can't even place blame on the actual fucking shooter
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