Current Events > Progressive dems pushing out party-backed candidates in dem primaries

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/did-democrats-just-have-their-first-tea-party-moment-of-the-2018-primaries/

Two Pennsylvania congressional primaries also pitted progressivism against pragmatism, and the progressives went two for two. In the 1st District, philanthropist Scott Wallace, the grandson of the Progressive Partys 1948 presidential nominee, defeated former Navy prosecutor Rachel Reddick 56 percent to 35 percent. Reddick had made her conversion from the GOP a centerpiece of her campaign. In the 7th District, a split in the progressive vote nearly caused Democrats to nominate Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli, who has made comments friendly to Trump and not so friendly to undocumented immigrants. However, Allentown City Solicitor Susan Wild defeated him 33 to 30 percent, with Bernie Sanders-endorsed pastor Greg Edwards in third with 26 percent. More than Nebraskas 2nd District, both the 1st and 7th Districts in Pennsylvania are true swing districts, with a partisan lean of R+1 and D+0.04, respectively in other words, theyre almost perfect bellwethers for the nation as a whole. So Democrats have a little more margin for error there in such a Democratic-leaning political environment. (Of course, if that environment changes

In general, Hoyer's message seems to have backfired hard on the national party's effort to elect people they can control.
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Good. The national Democratic leadership is clueless, at best.

Loony liberals versus even loonier liberals. Let them fight amongst themselves. They won't be able to agree on which better represents the party. Half wont agree, half wont vote and in the end whatever republican runs against them will win.
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this is good news imo
I know it's trite, but it really does remind me of 2010 and how the Tea Party was able to make an impact on the GOP. hopefully progressives win out for us all in 2018 and 2020
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prince_leo posted...

this is good news imo
I know it's trite, but it really does remind me of 2010 and how the Tea Party was able to make an impact on the GOP. hopefully progressives win out for us all in 2018 and 2020

This assumes they can win in the generals. The problem with energizing a base that's on the fringe of a party during the [primaries when nobody votes is that they tend to get slaughtered in the generals.
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the question is, is this base really on the fringe of the party?
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DNC about to have a civil war.
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EternalDivide posted...

Loony liberals versus even loonier liberals. Let them fight amongst themselves. They won't be able to agree on which better represents the party. Half wont agree, half wont vote and in the end whatever republican runs against them will win.

i mean this hasn't really been happening in the last 2 years though

s0nicfan posted...

The problem with energizing a base that's on the fringe of a party during the [primaries when nobody votes is that they tend to get slaughtered in the generals.

yeah just like the tea party did for that political party that now controls every branch of government, and the majority of state legislatures and governorships
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Darkman124 posted...

the question is, is this base really on the fringe of the party?

Honestly the only people I see tossing out the "Democratic fringe" thing are folks who would not be voting Democrat anyway like Republicans or Trump supporters.

The comparisons to the Tea Party are apt in the sense that it's a relatively grassroots movement and energizing voters who typically wouldn't be interested, but the ideology doesn't seem to be particularly outside of what's been accepted in the Democratic Party mainstream for the last several years.

CarlGrimes posted...

DNC about to have a civil war.

Is it though?
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Doom_Art posted...

Is it though?

Yes. There is obvious conflict between the crazy liberals and the elite left that controls the party.
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CarlGrimes posted...

Yes. There is obvious conflict between the crazy liberals and the elite left that controls the party.

There's conflict, sure but there's been competitive primaries for thousands upon thousands of elections in history.

What in your mind differentiates these from other primaries such that there's a "civil war"?

Also if so, this "civil war" doesn't seem to be a particularly bad thing, considering Dems have won the vast majority of elections taken place the last few years.
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Doom_Art posted...

What in your mind differentiates these from other primaries such that there's a "civil war"?

After the screwjob against Bernie that was carried out by the DNC it has lead to rising tension and frustration with the party. It just seems it is heading to a boiling point.
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CarlGrimes posted...

After the screwjob against Bernie that was carried out by the DNC

Honestly at this point it seems like non-Dems and Republicans/conservatives care more about that then Democrats or Bernie supporters. That was years ago now and the political environment has changed.

Regardless I would invite anyone still lingering on that to look at the DNC leadership and note that literally no one from that time is still employed there.

I'm not saying that in a PR way or anything lol. The new guy literally fired or requested everyone's resignation as part of his first act.

CarlGrimes posted...

it has lead to rising tension and frustration with the party.

I think in 2016 this as pretty accurate, but where else have you noted this recently?

CarlGrimes posted...

It just seems it is heading to a boiling point.

I mean we'll see after 2018 I guess? But I haven't seen anything that's been "civil war" levels of party dysfunction.

Hell if you wanna see dysfunction just take a peek at the GOP primaries or their majorities in the House or Senate
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Good, maybe if they're able to figure out how not to rig the primaries they'll get my vote back next time around.
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Doom_Art posted...

Honestly the only people I see tossing out the "Democratic fringe" thing are folks who would not be voting Democrat anyway like Republicans or Trump supporters.

I was a centrist dem for like 15 years. My first R vote was for trump. You do the party a disservice by assuming I would never vote for them again. I just want a centrist pragmatist, not an ideologue. The people you're losing aren't lifetime republicans. They're swing voters and center left dems.
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s0nicfan posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Honestly the only people I see tossing out the "Democratic fringe" thing are folks who would not be voting Democrat anyway like Republicans or Trump supporters.

I was a centrist dem for like 15 years. My first R vote was for trump. You do the party a disservice by assuming I would never vote for them again. I just want a centrist pragmatist, not an ideologue. The people you're losing aren't lifetime republicans. They're swing voters and center left dems.

Bingo. Trust me, I wanted Kasich so bad.
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Sayoria posted...

Kasich

Kasich is not a centrist though?
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Fuck them but that's their only hope if they want to win anything this year
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Purity tests and shit?
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Doom_Art posted...

Sayoria posted...

Kasich

Kasich is not a centrist though?

What do you mean, the guy with George W. Bush's foreign policy and a desire to outlaw abortion isn't moderate?
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Centrist doesn't necessarily mean that you're neutral on every issue.
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I told you guys that the Democratic Party is broken to the point that they will not recover in time for 2020. Also, even their newscasters know that the blue wave has already dried up.

Their administration literally says, fuck the voters, we know better than they do.
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ElatedVenusaur posted...

Good. The national Democratic leadership is clueless, at best.

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