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A_Good_Boy
05/15/18 7:34:14 PM
#51:


FrenchCrunch posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Then they should have drawn him white instead of requiring their 12 year old fan base to search out obscure trivia a decade after the show ended.

but plenty of people recognize that he's white

i dont understand how ppl see him as black. i have a huge nose and the same skin tone if not darker, but im white af

People only argue he's white because they're familiar with him from the comics and the movies, so they watch the cartoon and immediately have some questions regarding his race. There's a reason why people who get introduced to the character via the cartoon first are the ones that get shocked once they find out that the character is traditionally a white man. Because the animators drew him as a black man. We wouldn't be having this conversation so long after the show came out, and this question wouldn't be so popular, if they had not drew him as a black man.
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FrenchCrunch
05/15/18 7:35:11 PM
#52:


A_Good_Boy posted...
People only argue he's white because they're familiar with him from the comics and the movies

i dont agree with this. i think it is because he is portrayed as white in the series. my introduction to luthor was stas
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FrenchCrunch
05/15/18 7:35:50 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
People only argue he's white because they're familiar with him from the comics and the movies, so they watch the cartoon and immediately have some questions regarding his race. There's a reason why people who get introduced to the character via the cartoon first are the ones that get shocked once they find out that the character is traditionally a white man. Because the animators drew him as a black man. We wouldn't be having this conversation so long after the show came out, and this question wouldn't be so popular, if they had not drew him as a black man.

i think the only reason this is a conversation is because some people distort reality when it does not mesh with their preconceived notions
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A_Good_Boy
05/15/18 7:37:48 PM
#54:


FrenchCrunch posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
People only argue he's white because they're familiar with him from the comics and the movies

i dont agree with this. i think it is because he is portrayed as white in the series. my introduction to luthor was stas

I disagree with you, and I think it's because he is portrayed as black in the series.
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Cal12
05/15/18 7:39:10 PM
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Isnt he virtually identical to the white cartoon Lex Luthor anyways?
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ForestLogic
05/15/18 7:40:31 PM
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FWIW i was introduced to most of DC through the animated universe, and Lex feels black to me.

Note, I did grow up watching trash like Superfriends as well, but I identify more with TASS and both Justice Leagues.
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FrenchCrunch
05/15/18 7:40:36 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
I disagree with you, and I think it's because he is portrayed as black in the series.

you are free to think that
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A_Good_Boy
05/15/18 7:41:47 PM
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FrenchCrunch posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
People only argue he's white because they're familiar with him from the comics and the movies, so they watch the cartoon and immediately have some questions regarding his race. There's a reason why people who get introduced to the character via the cartoon first are the ones that get shocked once they find out that the character is traditionally a white man. Because the animators drew him as a black man. We wouldn't be having this conversation so long after the show came out, and this question wouldn't be so popular, if they had not drew him as a black man.

i think the only reason this is a conversation is because some people distort reality when it does not mesh with their preconceived notions

The only distorting of reality is requiring people to have a knowledge of obscure trivia to explain away the fact that Lex is portrayed as darker than every other white person in the show, and then pretending as if light skin black people are mythical when attempting to explain away the distinction when placed next to darker skinned black characters. It's especially weird when the best explanation for him not being black is because he's meant to be greek, ignoring the fact that he's still considerably darker than Wonder Woman and the rest of the amazons despite them actually being canonically greek in the show.
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FrenchCrunch
05/15/18 7:47:08 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
The only distorting of reality is requiring people to have a knowledge of obscure trivia

why do you insist upon this

it's literally un-provable

how does it make more sense to jump to all these conclusions instead of just acknowledging that he was designed as a tan white guy

we literally have the same skin tone and im pretty sure i am Mediterranean and not black
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FrenchCrunch
05/15/18 7:47:45 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
It's especially weird when the best explanation for him not being black is because he's meant to be greek, ignoring the fact that he's still considerably darker than Wonder Woman and the rest of the amazons despite them actually being canonically greek in the show.

by the time wonder woman is introduced, they made luthor's skin much lighter. they did it to all the characters iirc
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chill02
05/15/18 7:49:33 PM
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https://imgur.com/QlzV25T
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A_Good_Boy
05/15/18 7:49:58 PM
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FrenchCrunch posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
It's especially weird when the best explanation for him not being black is because he's meant to be greek, ignoring the fact that he's still considerably darker than Wonder Woman and the rest of the amazons despite them actually being canonically greek in the show.

by the time wonder woman is introduced, they made luthor's skin much lighter. they did it to all the characters iirc

Nope. Her and all of her sisters are light and he's still dark.

Face it, the article is crap and Lex is black.
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A_Good_Boy
05/15/18 7:52:32 PM
#63:


FrenchCrunch posted...
how does it make more sense to jump to all these conclusions instead of just acknowledging that he was designed as a tan white guy

Because the show has white dudes with tans, Lex is still blacker than all of them. It even has Oliver Queen living alone on an island and he's still white as a sheet, so let's not even pretend that Lex is merely tan despite him being shown mostly indoors.
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FrenchCrunch
05/15/18 11:38:36 PM
#64:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Nope. Her and all of her sisters are light and he's still dark.

Face it, the article is crap and Lex is black.

no he's p white in justice league. he's always white but i mean strictly skin tone

A_Good_Boy posted...
Lex is still blacker than all of them

same skin tone as superman though
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Skye Reynolds
05/15/18 11:41:16 PM
#65:


Loghain posted...
He's white in every other form of media he appeared in


Actually, you could make the argument that Lex Luthor is Native American in the 1940s cartoon series. The short Electric Earthquake was based off of a comic featuring Lex Luthor and the unnamed antagonist has Luthor's attire and mannerisms.

He's certainly that series's version of Lex Luthor.
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SSJGrimReaper
05/15/18 11:42:35 PM
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Lex Luthor is black
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chill02
05/15/18 11:43:07 PM
#67:


SSJGrimReaper posted...
Lex Luthor is black

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Zikten
05/15/18 11:49:42 PM
#68:


chill02 posted...
SSJGrimReaper posted...
Lex Luthor is black

factually wrong because even if I admit he's black in the cartoon, he's white in every other incarnation that ever existed. he is a white man who may or may not be black in one single cartoon series
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chill02
05/15/18 11:54:10 PM
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Zikten posted...
chill02 posted...
SSJGrimReaper posted...
Lex Luthor is black

factually wrong because even if I admit he's black in the cartoon, he's white in every other incarnation that ever existed. he is a white man who may or may not be black in one single cartoon series

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/1b/b1/b81bb17136c040536a692f92706b88df.jpg
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FrenchCrunch
05/15/18 11:54:39 PM
#70:


Zikten posted...
chill02 posted...
SSJGrimReaper posted...
Lex Luthor is black

factually wrong because even if I admit he's black in the cartoon, he's white in every other incarnation that ever existed. he is a white man who may or may not be black in one single cartoon series

there is no may or may not

he just isnt
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creativerealms
05/16/18 1:00:49 AM
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As Lex Luthor said in Superman Returns. WRONG.
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boxington
05/16/18 1:30:52 AM
#72:


chill02 posted...
Zikten posted...
chill02 posted...
SSJGrimReaper posted...
Lex Luthor is black

factually wrong because even if I admit he's black in the cartoon, he's white in every other incarnation that ever existed. he is a white man who may or may not be black in one single cartoon series

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/1b/b1/b81bb17136c040536a692f92706b88df.jpg

would have liked to see Billy Dee as Two Face
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CyricZ
05/16/18 7:20:28 AM
#73:


A_Good_Boy posted...
People will argue to the death that anime characters are obviously white because they're drawn as white people

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mukokuseki
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pegusus123456
05/16/18 7:24:10 AM
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He's white.

He and Superman are the same shade and they're both pale and unquestionably white in JL/JLU which alters the art style slightly.
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Reis
05/16/18 7:40:13 AM
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SSJGrimReaper
05/16/18 8:06:16 AM
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Lex Luthor is black.
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Balrog0
05/16/18 9:33:22 AM
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https://imgur.com/tMUNdgY
https://imgur.com/a9m4ZR0

idk lex luthor seems to be clearly darker than superman in most of the pictures I see in google image search, though superman is darker than I remember him being tbf

not that that is definitive or anything
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apocalyptic_4
05/16/18 9:35:02 AM
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Somebody make this into a poll
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VTBM
05/16/18 9:37:11 AM
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Gheb
05/16/18 10:04:53 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
https://imgur.com/tMUNdgY
https://imgur.com/a9m4ZR0

idk lex luthor seems to be clearly darker than superman in most of the pictures I see in google image search, though superman is darker than I remember him being tbf

not that that is definitive or anything

With that you are comparing STAS Lex and Justice League Superman. The coloring and character designs for everyone got tweeked in Justice League. Justice League Lex is also basically the same skin tone as Superman.
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Ivynn
05/16/18 10:08:46 AM
#81:


Offworlder1 posted...
Hea greek in STAS.

Lex Luthopolous
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Balrog0
05/16/18 10:09:28 AM
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https://imgur.com/eHMbhxy

which is this from? that is still lighter than lex luthor in most of the pics
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Laserion
05/16/18 10:10:43 AM
#83:


CyricZ posted...
Oddly enough, the blog I got the pic from:

http://colorwebmag.com/2017/05/08/color-coded-lex-luthor-superman-the-animated-series/

So, Lex Luthor is Kojak?
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EnragedSlith
05/16/18 10:12:47 AM
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I always thought he was mixed. I guess Grecian makes sense.
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Ivynn
05/16/18 10:16:05 AM
#85:


SSJGrimReaper posted...
Lex Luthor is black.

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Zodd3224
05/16/18 10:18:56 AM
#86:


The left is eating itself again...

Nom nom nom
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EnragedSlith
05/16/18 10:20:55 AM
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Wait, are we even sure hes male? Does he ever state this?
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A_Good_Boy
05/16/18 10:28:25 AM
#88:


EnragedSlith posted...
I always thought he was mixed. I guess Grecian makes sense.

Nope, cause the actual Greeks aren't anywhere near dark as he is. They're the lightest ones in the show.
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Gheb
05/16/18 10:46:02 AM
#89:


Balrog0 posted...
https://imgur.com/eHMbhxy

which is this from? that is still lighter than lex luthor in most of the pics

That's STAS. But if you had him in the same scene with the same lighting, he'd be the same as Lex.

https://geekonthethreshold.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/smtas.jpg
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Returning_CEmen
05/16/18 10:51:34 AM
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He looks Mediterranean to me
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Balrog0
05/16/18 10:59:21 AM
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my main take away from watching several clips of both of them on the animated series is that the show is very inconsistent in skin tone tbh

there are plenty of shots where they are together and are literally the same color but then there are plenty where they arent too

in general if one of them is darker it is lex luthor, but even that is not always true
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chill02
05/16/18 11:22:14 AM
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chill02 posted...
SSJGrimReaper posted...
Lex Luthor is black

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ManBeast462
05/16/18 11:22:53 AM
#93:


Cartoon Lex Luthor is the best one as well
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Bloodychess
05/16/18 11:24:02 AM
#94:


SmidgeIsntBack posted...
TAS Superman is also black then. Which is also totally cool.


Coolest part of the show tbqh
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Gheb
05/16/18 11:39:01 AM
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One other thing to note is that it's not just Clark and Lex. The vast majority of men in the show have a similar darker colored skin. Only red-headed Jimmy Olsen is consistently shown with lighter colored skin and even then, not by much. Women typically have a lighter skin tone than the men though.

Now, if you want to interpret that most of the characters in STAS are black, then by all means do so. However, given the race of the characters in the source material I'm guessing that wasn't the intention of the Dini/Timm while making the show.
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/16/18 11:41:13 AM
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It's not just the skin tone. It's the facial features tbh
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boxington
05/16/18 12:03:26 PM
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yea, Lex has similar lips and a similar looking nose to the black characters
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SSJGrimReaper
05/16/18 2:23:24 PM
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chill02 posted...
chill02 posted...
SSJGrimReaper posted...
Lex Luthor is black

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Loghain
05/16/18 2:41:07 PM
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SSJGrimReaper posted...
chill02 posted...
chill02 posted...
SSJGrimReaper posted...
Lex Luthor is black

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CookieMarvin
05/16/18 2:52:38 PM
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Loghain posted...
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chill02 posted...
chill02 posted...
SSJGrimReaper posted...
Lex Luthor is black

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