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CarlGrimes
05/16/18 4:19:08 AM
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Drasilor
05/16/18 5:29:15 AM
#102:


Hmmmmm who to listen to? Angry sjws on a website or our founding fathers that fought for this country.....oh geee.
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ChainedRedone
05/16/18 8:54:56 AM
#103:


Funbazooka posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
America's electoral college supporters are comical.


You're not only calling "supporters" comical, you're also calling our Constitution itself comical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_2:_Method_of_choosing_electors

What's comical is that you think this is an issue that's even up for debate.


I never said it was up for debate. I said the arguments used by supporters are comical. They are also ignorant because they are mistaken as to the original intention of the EC.
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darkjedilink
05/16/18 9:17:39 AM
#104:


Balrog0 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
darkjedilink posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
Sad_Face posted...
Each state's number of electoral college votes granted is determined by its population size. California gets 55 votes while the critical '16 swing states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, had 20, 16 and 10 votes respectively. You need 270 to win.

What needs to change to is electoral voters being human and not just votes award immediately upon winning a state. And during the primary election, electoral votes need to be divvied by percentage won as opposed to winner take all. This way your vote matters, even if you're conservative in California or a liberal in South Dakota.


The electoral votes aren't even to scale. CA should have more votes based on it's population. Just do a popular election like every other democratic government in the world ffs. What do you insist on America being different? I'll admit it makes election nights riveting. That's the only good thing about it. The negatives are massive.

Mob rule would make gay marriage in America illegal.


Ah so now the supporters manage to interpolate gay marriage into an electoral college argument. Amazing.

So you don't support the popular vote?


there are only like 5 states where more people disagree with gay marriage than agree with it

Not at the time it was being voted on.
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Serious Cat
05/16/18 9:26:22 AM
#105:


Drasilor posted...
Hmmmmm who to listen to? Angry sjws on a website or our founding fathers that fought for this country.....oh geee.

The founding fathers also said that a slave was three fifths of a person.
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HypnoCoosh
05/16/18 9:32:07 AM
#106:


Why be part of a republic as a small rural state if the larger more populated states get to make all the decisions?

The EC makes sense and if "your" candidate would have won you wouldn't even be complaining about it.

I more for a smaller federal government and more state\local government.
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Antifar
05/16/18 9:32:58 AM
#107:


The-Apostle posted...
I'm only counting terms in which Republicans actually won the popular vote since 1988. That's two terms, so eight years out of 30. Democrats have double that.

Yes, and Republicans have held the House for 20 of those 30 years.
They have held the Senate for 16 of those 30 years.

Checks and balances.
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CableZL
05/16/18 9:33:10 AM
#108:


HypnoCoosh posted...
Why be part of a republic as a small rural state if the larger more populated states get to make all the decisions?

The EC makes sense and if "your" candidate would have won you wouldn't even be complaining about it.

I more for a smaller federal government and more state\local government.


Do you also believe votes in small rural states should be worth more than votes in larger more populated states?
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Antifar
05/16/18 9:34:51 AM
#109:


HypnoCoosh posted...
Why be part of a republic as a small rural state if the larger more populated states get to make all the decisions?


Did the Senate disappear while I wasn't looking?
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HypnoCoosh
05/16/18 9:36:58 AM
#110:


Antifar posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Why be part of a republic as a small rural state if the larger more populated states get to make all the decisions?


Did the Senate disappear while I wasn't looking?


Nope and that's why I don't understand everyone's buthurt over the EC.

The POTUS typically isn't even that powerful in the grand scheme of things.
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darkjedilink
05/16/18 9:38:37 AM
#111:


HypnoCoosh posted...
Antifar posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Why be part of a republic as a small rural state if the larger more populated states get to make all the decisions?


Did the Senate disappear while I wasn't looking?


Nope and that's why I don't understand everyone's buthurt over the EC.

The POTUS typically isn't even that powerful in the grand scheme of things.

Well urban areas have the House. What's your point?
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Antifar
05/16/18 9:39:37 AM
#112:


darkjedilink posted...
Well urban areas have the House.

Republicans have controlled the House for a majority of the last 30 years.
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Antifar
05/16/18 9:40:27 AM
#113:


Hypno posted...
The POTUS typically isn't even that powerful in the grand scheme of things.

Then how can you claim "more populated states get to make all the decisions" if the presidency were to be decided by popular vote?
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HypnoCoosh
05/16/18 9:40:38 AM
#114:


darkjedilink posted...
Well urban areas have the House. What's your point?


My point is we have three branches of government and an EC voting system.

As soon as their candidate lost they want to change the rules. Get the fuck over it.

Life will go on, the government will move left, and then right, and then left, and then right.

Bunch of fucking crybabies.
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HypnoCoosh
05/16/18 9:41:49 AM
#115:


Antifar posted...
Then how can you claim "more populated states get to make all the decisions?"


In regards to who is POTUS. Semantics. Sorry I worded myself poorly.
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Balrog0
05/16/18 9:42:11 AM
#116:


darkjedilink posted...
Balrog0 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
darkjedilink posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
Sad_Face posted...
Each state's number of electoral college votes granted is determined by its population size. California gets 55 votes while the critical '16 swing states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, had 20, 16 and 10 votes respectively. You need 270 to win.

What needs to change to is electoral voters being human and not just votes award immediately upon winning a state. And during the primary election, electoral votes need to be divvied by percentage won as opposed to winner take all. This way your vote matters, even if you're conservative in California or a liberal in South Dakota.


The electoral votes aren't even to scale. CA should have more votes based on it's population. Just do a popular election like every other democratic government in the world ffs. What do you insist on America being different? I'll admit it makes election nights riveting. That's the only good thing about it. The negatives are massive.

Mob rule would make gay marriage in America illegal.


Ah so now the supporters manage to interpolate gay marriage into an electoral college argument. Amazing.

So you don't support the popular vote?


there are only like 5 states where more people disagree with gay marriage than agree with it

Not at the time it was being voted on.


I mean, for a long time we did abide by those votes, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. It wasn't until like 2014 that gay marriage was legalized in my state through SCOTUS action. But if we had voted on it again at that point, it would have won, it is just that putting up an initiative requires money and it was easier and more effective to use the Supreme Court
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ChainedRedone
05/16/18 1:52:18 PM
#117:


HypnoCoosh posted...

As soon as their candidate lost they want to change the rules. Get the fuck over it.


Gee people complain about the EC at a time when the EC elects the least popular candidate over of the will of the people? Shocking!

It's almost like people tend to complain most when problems begin to arise.
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The23rdMagus
05/16/18 2:00:50 PM
#118:


Drasilor posted...
Hmmmmm who to listen to? Angry sjws on a website or our founding fathers that fought for this country.....oh geee.

Which group lives in the present-day version of this country?
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darkjedilink
05/16/18 2:04:03 PM
#119:


ChainedRedone posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...

As soon as their candidate lost they want to change the rules. Get the fuck over it.


Gee people complain about the EC at a time when the EC elects the least popular candidate over of the will of the people? Shocking!

It's almost like people tend to complain most when problems begin to arise.

You do know that less than a quarter of people eligible to vote in the US did, right?

'Will of the people' is an outright LIE told by Hillary and her supporters.
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ChainedRedone
05/16/18 2:05:06 PM
#120:


darkjedilink posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...

As soon as their candidate lost they want to change the rules. Get the fuck over it.


Gee people complain about the EC at a time when the EC elects the least popular candidate over of the will of the people? Shocking!

It's almost like people tend to complain most when problems begin to arise.

You do know that less than a quarter of people eligible to vote in the US did, right?

'Will of the people' is an outright LIE told by Hillary and her supporters.


And you know why voter turnout is so low? The EC. Yet another reason the EC is trash, thanks for pointing that out for me.
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darkjedilink
05/16/18 2:06:42 PM
#121:


ChainedRedone posted...
darkjedilink posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...

As soon as their candidate lost they want to change the rules. Get the fuck over it.


Gee people complain about the EC at a time when the EC elects the least popular candidate over of the will of the people? Shocking!

It's almost like people tend to complain most when problems begin to arise.

You do know that less than a quarter of people eligible to vote in the US did, right?

'Will of the people' is an outright LIE told by Hillary and her supporters.


And you know why voter turnout is so low? The EC. Yet another reason the EC is trash, thanks for pointing that out for me.

Yeah, THAT'S the reason Hillary didn't even get an eighth of the eligible public to vote for her.

WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
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ChainedRedone
05/16/18 2:07:16 PM
#122:


darkjedilink posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
darkjedilink posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...

As soon as their candidate lost they want to change the rules. Get the fuck over it.


Gee people complain about the EC at a time when the EC elects the least popular candidate over of the will of the people? Shocking!

It's almost like people tend to complain most when problems begin to arise.

You do know that less than a quarter of people eligible to vote in the US did, right?

'Will of the people' is an outright LIE told by Hillary and her supporters.


And you know why voter turnout is so low? The EC. Yet another reason the EC is trash, thanks for pointing that out for me.

Yeah, THAT'S the reason Hillary didn't even get an eighth of the eligible public to vote for her.

WILL OF THE PEOPLE!


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GreatEvilEmpire
05/16/18 2:11:18 PM
#123:


The EC worked. Hillary Clinton is not president.
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KillboyPowahead
05/16/18 2:13:12 PM
#124:


The EC failed. Donald Trump is President.
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/16/18 2:13:38 PM
#125:


KillboyPowahead posted...
The EC failed. Donald Trump is President.


And he's a lot better than Hillary Clinton.
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KillboyPowahead
05/16/18 2:15:33 PM
#126:


Better at being President? How does that even make sense?
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Lorenzo_2003
05/16/18 2:18:36 PM
#127:


The23rdMagus posted...
Drasilor posted...
Hmmmmm who to listen to? Angry sjws on a website or our founding fathers that fought for this country.....oh geee.

Which group lives in the present-day version of this country?


I see your point, but the problem is that SJWs arent the only people living in the country. This is one of the reasons why a nation, any legitimate organization really, tends to have laws set in place to govern what they are and are not allowed to do. Of course there are even laws that deal with changing or eliminating laws, so thats something to consider.
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Damn_Underscore
05/16/18 2:28:33 PM
#129:


If you don't like the electoral college just amend the constitution to get rid of it.

Of course that will never happen because almost every state benefits from the Electoral College.
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ChainedRedone
05/16/18 2:56:10 PM
#130:


Damn_Underscore posted...
If you don't like the electoral college just amend the constitution to get rid of it.

Of course that will never happen because almost every state benefits from the Electoral College.


Why is the EC the only political issue where it's supporters tell the other side "well just go change the law if that's what you want." Piss poor arguers. Then again, it takes a special type of person to support the EC.
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Damn_Underscore
05/16/18 2:59:38 PM
#131:


Same thing with gun rights. Gun rights are very clearly established by the 2nd Amendment. If you want to change that then change the Constitution.
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nicklebro
05/16/18 2:59:55 PM
#132:


HypnoCoosh posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Well urban areas have the House. What's your point?


My point is we have three branches of government and an EC voting system.

As soon as their candidate lost they want to change the rules. Get the fuck over it.

Life will go on, the government will move left, and then right, and then left, and then right.

Bunch of fucking crybabies.

Donald Trump being elected president is a legitimate reason to be upset, especially with how divisive him and the people whom votes for him have been.

No matter what the rules are for determining who wins the presidency, if you lose by more than 3 million votes, you shouldn't be able to be president.
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DifferentialEquation
05/16/18 3:02:47 PM
#133:


nicklebro posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Well urban areas have the House. What's your point?


My point is we have three branches of government and an EC voting system.

As soon as their candidate lost they want to change the rules. Get the fuck over it.

Life will go on, the government will move left, and then right, and then left, and then right.

Bunch of fucking crybabies.

Donald Trump being elected president is a legitimate reason to be upset, especially with how divisive him and the people whom votes for him have been.

No matter what the rules are for determining who wins the presidency, if you lose by more than 3 million votes, you shouldn't be able to be president.


Donald Trump won the popular vote too when you don't count all the illegal immigrants that voted for Hillary. But the left doesn't seem to care about this.
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Paragon21XX
05/16/18 3:08:24 PM
#134:


Urban air pollution is bad, m'kay? Perhaps you should move out to the countryside where the air is cleaner and less likely to cause dementia.
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Anteaterking
05/16/18 3:12:44 PM
#135:


Literally the only thing the EC has going for it is that it makes election night more thrilling, which is a bad reason to keep it.
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Serious Cat
05/16/18 3:13:54 PM
#136:


DifferentialEquation posted...
Donald Trump won the popular vote too when you don't count all the illegal immigrants that voted for Hillary. But the left doesn't seem to care about this.

Nor does Trump apparently seeing how he quietly dropped the investigation when the allegations turned out to have no credibility.
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Damn_Underscore
05/16/18 3:22:17 PM
#137:


You literally can't get rid of it. Let's say you had a constitutional amendment to get rid of it, and you needed 38 out of 50 states to ratify it. States that wouldn't ratify it:

Alabama
Alaska
Arkansas
Idaho
Iowa
Kansas
Montana
Nebraska
North Dakota
South Dakota
Utah
West Virginia
Wyoming

That's already not enough states. And the swing states probably wouldn't ratify it either.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
05/16/18 3:23:53 PM
#138:


toughguypete posted...
it literally says why in the constitution, to protect from the tyranny of the majority, the founding fathers didn't want population dense areas dictating the course for the entire country


Nah it was so the educated could keep out Trump. The electors failed by electing Trump when in reality they were put in place to prevent the tyranny and stupidity of the majority.
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Anteaterking
05/16/18 3:31:36 PM
#139:


Damn_Underscore posted...
You literally can't get rid of it. Let's say you had a constitutional amendment to get rid of it, and you needed 38 out of 50 states to ratify it. States that wouldn't ratify it:

Alabama
Alaska
Arkansas
Idaho
Kansas
Montana
Nebraska
North Dakota
South Dakota
Utah
West Virginia
Wyoming

That's already not enough states. And the swing states probably wouldn't ratify it either.


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GreatEvilEmpire
05/16/18 3:44:14 PM
#140:


It takes a special kind of person to deny the legitimacy of the EC.

Everyone knew the rules when they started campaigning. EVERYONE. You don't start a game of chess and change it to checkers because you lost.

If it's based on the Popular Vote, the candidates would campaign differently, like targeting large states and completely ignore the small states. Trump would have targeted New York and California more and not waste his time on the small states.

It's Hillary Clinton fault for not focusing on the swing states. Bunch of sore losers.
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ChainedRedone
05/16/18 3:47:07 PM
#141:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
It takes a special kind of person to deny the legitimacy of the EC.

Everyone knew the rules when they started campaigning. EVERYONE. You don't start a game of chess and change it to checkers because you lost.

If it's based on the Popular Vote, the candidates would campaign differently, like targeting large states and completely ignore the small states. Trump would have targeted New York and California more and not waste his time on the small states.

It's Hillary Clinton fault for not focusing on the swing states. Bunch of sore losers.


So instead of campaigning on the large states they campaign on the swing states. That's the reason the EC is better? Lol
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jayj350
05/16/18 3:47:46 PM
#142:


The electoral college is why I think voting is pointless
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/16/18 3:49:44 PM
#143:


ChainedRedone posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
It takes a special kind of person to deny the legitimacy of the EC.

Everyone knew the rules when they started campaigning. EVERYONE. You don't start a game of chess and change it to checkers because you lost.

If it's based on the Popular Vote, the candidates would campaign differently, like targeting large states and completely ignore the small states. Trump would have targeted New York and California more and not waste his time on the small states.

It's Hillary Clinton fault for not focusing on the swing states. Bunch of sore losers.


So instead of campaigning on the large states they campaign on the swing states. That's the reason the EC is better? Lol


Representation of all the states in the UNITED STATES. It's not just the United States of California and New York.

Like I said, if the rules were different, the candidates would campaign differently.
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southcoast09
05/16/18 3:50:21 PM
#144:


They sure did the right thing. Those people are heroes.
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KillboyPowahead
05/16/18 3:50:43 PM
#145:


jayj350 posted...
The electoral college is why I think voting is pointless

That and jury duty
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/16/18 3:53:18 PM
#146:


Can you just imagine this? NBA team gets angry for losing best of 7-game series in Championship because they scored more combined points than the other team in those 7 games.

Sounds stupid, right? That's how liberals are acting right now.
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jayj350
05/16/18 3:59:25 PM
#147:


KillboyPowahead posted...
jayj350 posted...
The electoral college is why I think voting is pointless

That and jury duty

Yup. Voting is for fools.
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darkjedilink
05/16/18 3:59:53 PM
#148:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Can you just imagine this? NBA team gets angry for losing best of 7-game series in Championship because they scored more combined points than the other team in those 7 games.

Sounds stupid, right? That's how liberals are acting right now.

less than an eighth of eligible voters = will of the people
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Antifar
05/16/18 4:00:10 PM
#149:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Like I said, if the rules were different, the candidates would campaign differently.

Yes, good. Let's see that happen.
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ElatedVenusaur
05/16/18 4:17:20 PM
#150:


What we badly need(other than abolishing the EC with extreme prejudice) is to stop capping the size of the House of Representatives and implement something akin to the "Wyoming Rule"(basically capping the amount of population per district in-line with the least-populous Congressional District, which is currently the state of Wyoming).
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ChainedRedone
05/16/18 4:19:49 PM
#151:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Can you just imagine this? NBA team gets angry for losing best of 7-game series in Championship because they scored more combined points than the other team in those 7 games.

Sounds stupid, right? That's how liberals are acting right now.


Imagine equating sports games to arguably the most important "democratic" election in the country. Jfc...

This isn't about who won or lost it's about making the most popular candidate the president. You know, like how a democratic election is supposed to work.
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