Current Events > Factory farming is unspeakably grotesque and should be banned.

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We can debate ethics blah blah blah, but have you ever seen how absolutely filthy the conditions are? I have zero desire to consume that product. Most of these farms are so packed that disease is rampant and the animals are covered in their own waste. To combat illness, they load the water supply with antibiotics which contribute to the spread of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. The whole thing is massively irresponsible and disgusting.

It's wrong on many levels, yes
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If we grow more of these factories itll bring back manufacturing.
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I buy all of my meat pasture raised so yes I agree
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This is what "cage-free" chicken farming is. They literally sleep in their own shit.

I agree, factory farming is disgusting. Can't wait til lab raised meat is a common thing. (Supposedly may hit shelves as early as this year!)

Also TC did you make this topic today because your PETA support topic got fucking blasted last night?
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People have to stop needing to eat if factory farming is ever going to go away.
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it's sad, yeah

A_Good_Boy posted...

People have to stop needing to eat if factory farming is ever going to go away.

No, people just need to be willing to pay more, or stop eating meat with every meal. Excessive meat consumption is unhealthy anyway.

CiIantro posted...

This is what "cage-free" chicken farming is. They literally sleep in their own shit.

Cage free is BS. Note I said pasture raised.
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CiIantro posted...

This is what "cage-free" chicken farming is.

You want "free roaming" not "cage free"
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CiIantro posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

People have to stop needing to eat if factory farming is ever going to go away.

No, people just need to be willing to pay more, or stop eating meat with every meal. Excessive meat consumption is unhealthy anyway.

So people need to piss away more of their meager dollars on the feelings of feeder animals, or consume food in a manner that'll just lead to more and more habitat loss and death for other animals.

Hmm... sorry little chicken, that was only ever allowed to be born in the first place specifically to be eaten or to lay eggs, guess it's time for your purpose to be fulfilled.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

So people need to piss away more of their meager dollars on the feelings of feeder animals, or consume food in a manner that'll just lead to more and more habitat loss and death for other animals.

If people are willing to pay more to support it then I see no reason why it can't be done.

But yes. If we're going to take a realistic look at how expensive American Gothic style farming is, most people will only be able to afford meat a few times a month and will likely voluntarily pass on most of those opportunities.
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CiIantro posted...

No, people just need to be willing to pay more

LMAO
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There's something kind of 1984 about the treatment of sentient beings like mass produced inanimate objects, I'll agree to that.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

CiIantro posted...

No, people just need to be willing to pay more

LMAO

God forbid people pay more so that we can preserve our antibiotic supply.

A_Good_Boy posted...

CiIantro posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

People have to stop needing to eat if factory farming is ever going to go away.

No, people just need to be willing to pay more, or stop eating meat with every meal. Excessive meat consumption is unhealthy anyway.

So people need to piss away more of their meager dollars on the feelings of feeder animals, or consume food in a manner that'll just lead to more and more habitat loss and death for other animals.

Hmm... sorry little chicken, that was only ever allowed to be born in the first place specifically to be eaten or to lay eggs, guess it's time for your purpose to be fulfilled.

CiIantro posted...

God forbid people pay more so that we can preserve our antibiotic supply.

Does that even affect us though? I mean most of those diseases probably aren't things we can even get.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Does that even affect us though? I mean most of those diseases probably aren't things we can even get.

Most bacteria doesn't care who or what you are. The viruses we'll be immune to.
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Do you have any idea what those poor potatoes go through? Those evil farmers force them to live underground without any space to move around.

No thanks I dont want the return of famines in the west because of another stupid law
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Wow TC is so knowledgeable about agriculture, please tell me more.

Let's do one on GMOs this time!
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Complete_Idi0t posted...

Do you have any idea what those poor potatoes go through? Those evil farmers force them to live underground without any space to move around.

When the potato was originally brought back to Europe, the Europeans had no idea what it was and ate the fruit instead of the tuber.

potato fruit is poisonous and can cause life-ending diarrhea. Imagine being that guy.

"What happened to Riordan!?"
"Oi not sure looks like he shit himself to death"
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CiIantro posted...

LordFarquad1312 posted...

CiIantro posted...

No, people just need to be willing to pay more

LMAO

God forbid people pay more so that we can preserve our antibiotic supply.

Such ignorance is quite cute. You do realize a good part of the people in the world live day to day? Make chicken and eggs more expensive and then what the heck are they going to eat?

The world is overpopulated. Industrialized farming is the only way to keep up with the demand and necesities so far. If anything, people who want and can afford food labeled as "organic" aliviates the situation a bit.
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LordFarquad1312 posted...

If anything, people who want and can afford food labeled as "organic" aliviates the situation a bit.

What a weird way to paint people stupid enough to fall for a marketing gimmick.
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Blbmbr666 posted...

Wow TC is so knowledgeable about agriculture, please tell me more.

Let's do one on GMOs this time!

Nothing wrong with GMOs. Nice try though.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

CiIantro posted...

LordFarquad1312 posted...

CiIantro posted...

No, people just need to be willing to pay more

LMAO

God forbid people pay more so that we can preserve our antibiotic supply.

Such ignorance is quite cute. You do realize a good part of the people in the world live day to day? Make chicken and eggs more expensive and then what the heck are they going to eat?

The world is overpopulated. Industrialized farming is the only way to keep up with the demand and necesities so far. If anything, people who want and can afford food labeled as "organic" aliviates the situation a bit.

It takes fewer resorces to produce plant protein. You don't need meat to live, and historically it was more of a luxury item reserved for special occaisions.

Blbmbr666 posted...

LordFarquad1312 posted...

If anything, people who want and can afford food labeled as "organic" aliviates the situation a bit.

What a weird way to paint people stupid enough to fall for a marketing gimmick.

Organic food is absolutely healthier (no pesticide residue) and it is undeniably better for the environment.

Yeah factory farming is pretty shitty. Crazy how people support it
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Only thing I really want to change badly is the pesticide usage. Fucking hate big time farmers in the US that have ruined everything
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I don't know about outright removing it overnight, but it definitely is something that needs to be closely monitored. I'm glad I live in Canada where the standards are much stricter.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Yeah factory farming is pretty shitty. Crazy how people support it

How else are you going to eat?
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I'll consume meat so long as I keep living.
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Blbmbr666 posted...

What a weird way to paint people stupid enough to fall for a marketing gimmick.

They literally found that people on similar diets except one person went to higher end supermarkets and purchased more organic foods had better health outcomes...but yea dude, enjoy your pesticides.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

If people are willing to pay more

Theyre not

/topic
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Yeah factory farming is pretty shitty. Crazy how people support it

A lot of people get emotional and shit themselves whenever you say anything related to eating less meat. It has unfortunately become an emotional wedge issue that causes people on both sides to act irrationally.

the increase in meat eating after the industrialization of the meat industry is related to the increase in health problems too. not like everyone has to be a vegan or anything, but eating meat every day multiple times a day is not good for you. we've gotten used to thinking it's not a real meal without a bunch of meat in it, and then comes all the heart disease and cancers
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ThyCorndog posted...

and then comes all the heart disease and cancers

Is there a confirmed link between meat consumption and cancer? I know heart disease and stuff like that, but I am not sure about cancer.

Either way, yeah, it's weird that people won't consider something a meal without meat. It's also partially to blame on the food pyramid thing. I know I've cut way back due to dietary, economic, and environmental concerns, and I feel better. We pretty much just eat fish and chicken now, sometimes once a day with a day or two a week without it, and it seems to work for me and my wife.

It seems to be ingrained in the older generation, though. I've been telling my mom to cut back on the pork and red meat for years, and it's taken this long for her to even consider it.

ThyCorndog posted...

the increase in meat eating after the industrialization of the meat industry is related to the increase in health problems too. not like everyone has to be a vegan or anything, but eating meat every day multiple times a day is not good for you. we've gotten used to thinking it's not a real meal without a bunch of meat in it, and then comes all the heart disease and cancers

Nah poultry and fish are pretty benign from a health standpoint.

Mammalian meat though, yeah absolutely. But let's not get carried away with the elitist circle jerk.
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Dash_Harber posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

and then comes all the heart disease and cancers

Is there a confirmed link between meat consumption and cancer? I know heart disease and stuff like that, but I am not sure about cancer.

Processed meats (deli meats, hotdogs, etc) are confirmed to be carcinogenic.

ForestLogic posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

the increase in meat eating after the industrialization of the meat industry is related to the increase in health problems too. not like everyone has to be a vegan or anything, but eating meat every day multiple times a day is not good for you. we've gotten used to thinking it's not a real meal without a bunch of meat in it, and then comes all the heart disease and cancers

Nah poultry and fish are pretty benign from a health standpoint.

Mammalian meat though, yeah absolutely. But let's not get carried away with the elitist circle jerk.

Fish has a mercury and microplastics problem because the oceans have been polluted to hell and back.

CiIantro posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

and then comes all the heart disease and cancers

Is there a confirmed link between meat consumption and cancer? I know heart disease and stuff like that, but I am not sure about cancer.

Processed meats (deli meats, hotdogs, etc) are confirmed to be carcinogenic.

How exactly do they define processed, though?

Dash_Harber posted...

CiIantro posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

and then comes all the heart disease and cancers

Is there a confirmed link between meat consumption and cancer? I know heart disease and stuff like that, but I am not sure about cancer.

Processed meats (deli meats, hotdogs, etc) are confirmed to be carcinogenic.

How exactly do they define processed, though?

http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/


1. What do you consider as red meat?
Red meat refers to all mammalian muscle meat, including, beef, veal, pork, lamb, mutton, horse, and goat.

2. What do you consider as processed meat?
Processed meat refers to meat that has been transformed through salting, curing, fermentation, smoking, or other processes to enhance flavour or improve preservation. Most processed meats contain pork or beef, but processed meats may also contain other red meats, poultry, offal, or meat by-products such as blood.

Examples of processed meat include hot dogs (frankfurters), ham, sausages, corned beef, and biltong or beef jerky as well as canned meat and meat-based preparations and sauces.

7. Red meat was classified as Group 2A, probably carcinogenic to humans. What does this mean exactly?
In the case of red meat, the classification is based on limited evidence from epidemiological studies showing positive associations between eating red meat and developing colorectal cancer as well as strong mechanistic evidence.

Limited evidence means that a positive association has been observed between exposure to the agent and cancer but that other explanations for the observations (technically termed chance, bias, or confounding) could not be ruled out.

8. Processed meat was classified as Group 1, carcinogenic to humans. What does this mean?
This category is used when there is sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in humans. In other words, there is convincing evidence that the agent causes cancer. The evaluation is usually based on epidemiological studies showing the development of cancer in exposed humans.

In the case of processed meat, this classification is based on sufficient evidence from epidemiological studies that eating processed meat causes colorectal cancer.

CiIantro posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

CiIantro posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

and then comes all the heart disease and cancers

Is there a confirmed link between meat consumption and cancer? I know heart disease and stuff like that, but I am not sure about cancer.

Processed meats (deli meats, hotdogs, etc) are confirmed to be carcinogenic.

How exactly do they define processed, though?

http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

Yeah, that makes sense. Still leaves poultry and fish in a different category, though, as mentioned above.

Dash_Harber posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

and then comes all the heart disease and cancers

Is there a confirmed link between meat consumption and cancer? I know heart disease and stuff like that, but I am not sure about cancer.

Either way, yeah, it's weird that people won't consider something a meal without meat. It's also partially to blame on the food pyramid thing. I know I've cut way back due to dietary, economic, and environmental concerns, and I feel better. We pretty much just eat fish and chicken now, sometimes once a day with a day or two a week without it, and it seems to work for me and my wife.

It seems to be ingrained in the older generation, though. I've been telling my mom to cut back on the pork and red meat for years, and it's taken this long for her to even consider it.

Processed meat is a confirmed carcinogen, red meat is a suspected carcinogen (last I heard)
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Looks like someone saw the documentary for the first time.

I really don't care, it tastes too good to give up.
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ForestLogic posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

the increase in meat eating after the industrialization of the meat industry is related to the increase in health problems too. not like everyone has to be a vegan or anything, but eating meat every day multiple times a day is not good for you. we've gotten used to thinking it's not a real meal without a bunch of meat in it, and then comes all the heart disease and cancers

Nah poultry and fish are pretty benign from a health standpoint.

Mammalian meat though, yeah absolutely. But let's not get carried away with the elitist circle jerk.

yea if you're going to eat meat, fish and poultry aren't so bad. what's elitist about what I said? sounds like the defensiveness TC was referring to tbh
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Yeah factory farming is pretty shitty. Crazy how people support it

How else are you going to eat?

Be a good growing boy, eat your fruits and vegetables.
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LordFarquad1312 posted...

Make chicken and eggs more expensive and then what the heck are they going to eat?

... Fruits and Vegetables?
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I would rather pay double for meat if meant the animals were treated respectfully and the police executed all the disobedient farmers.
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