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Tmaster148
05/11/18 11:49:56 AM
#102:


Offworlder1 posted...
California already has strict gun control laws, all the people crying for more gun control must not know Cali already is on the lots of gun control band wagon.

This shooting only shows that the current laws were not enforced or that the strict gun control did not work.

California leads the charge for more gun comtrol yet here we are with them having a shooting.


Let's not exclude the possiblity the gun wasn't obtained in California. Strict gun control doesn't do much on its own if nearby areas are lax.
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gunplagirl
05/11/18 11:51:14 AM
#103:


MaverickXeo posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Caution999 posted...
utarefson posted...
Another senseless and in my opinion, preventable tragedy.

It has to stop. Left and Right in America need to stop fighting each other on this, your children are dying. Working together is the only way you will prevent more tragic loss of young lives.


So basically the right has to compromise their rights. That's what it always comes down to. The left doesn't understand the concept of compromise, or they foolishly believe they are always correct about every little thing, and refuse to do so.


The left: hey so Europe and Australia and Canada have distinctly and massively reduced the number of gun deaths by
The right: muh rights

What's there to compromise on when any discussion of even reasonable limitations or registries will get shut down because the right refuses to concede on alleged rights. I say alleged because laws and the constitution are subject to change.


Those are totally different regions/countries. Canada has a much smaller population that is more spread out. Australia is isolated, meaning it is a lot harder to get a gun physically. Europe has a totally different culture and such.

All three regions/countries also have more 'socialized' healthcare and assistance and stuff like that.


So did you know if we look at the US as a chain of states and have those, individually, be compared to other nations it isn't nearly as awful or lopsided in terms of population as you make it seem?

And cultures can change. The global sweep of gay marriage over the last decade and a half was long overdue but happened.
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Mist_Turnips
05/11/18 11:53:12 AM
#104:


Was there a "Gun free zone" sign in the area?
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ledbowman
05/11/18 11:53:21 AM
#105:


darkjedilink posted...
ledbowman posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Squall28 posted...
Liberals: *tries to find solution for gun violence*

Conservatives: STOP pushing politics when we have gun violence!

If liberals had a solution to gun violence, liberal cities wouldn't be the most violent in America.


liberals have solutions but conservatives refuse to comply.

i can play the bullshit partisan blame game, too, but it gets us nowhere

What solutions have liberals offered that are effective, legal, not already law, and not a preface to gun confiscation?

Close the gun show loophole.

How many shootings are done by people buying a gun from a gun show that they couldn't legally get otherwise?

Not many, so it isn't effective. Try again.

So you need to wait for it to happen first? Why defend the gun show loophole at all?
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tremain07
05/11/18 11:53:40 AM
#106:


gunplagirl posted...
And cultures can change. The global sweep of gay marriage over the last decade and a half was long overdue but happened.

It happened because of liberals and will be immediately be retracted after November and more hard conservatives win seats and Trumps packs in more hard conservative judges.
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darkjedilink
05/11/18 11:54:22 AM
#107:


gunplagirl posted...
"If we outlaw guns people will get them anyway"

Perhaps, but not nearly so easily and what's more, if we exclude police killings then the largest cause of gun deaths would be crimes of opportunity. Bill and Johnny playing Madden and start getting mad at each other so Johnny goes to his room and comes back and shoots Bill. Randy getting kicked out of a bar and grabs his gun out of his truck. Those ones would drop because they wouldn't be nearly as safe or comfortable keeping an illegal item around. What's more, if it's black market priced then that'll keep it inaccessible to a lot of people, especially kids, who might try planning these attacks.

And then there's that whole "we know people might get them anyway but we still banned lawn darts because of the public safety risk, and that only took like 10 injuries and deaths combined"

Black market guns are often considerably cheaper than legal ones, yo - stolen AND no taxes.
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darkjedilink
05/11/18 11:55:44 AM
#108:


ledbowman posted...
darkjedilink posted...
ledbowman posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Squall28 posted...
Liberals: *tries to find solution for gun violence*

Conservatives: STOP pushing politics when we have gun violence!

If liberals had a solution to gun violence, liberal cities wouldn't be the most violent in America.


liberals have solutions but conservatives refuse to comply.

i can play the bullshit partisan blame game, too, but it gets us nowhere

What solutions have liberals offered that are effective, legal, not already law, and not a preface to gun confiscation?

Close the gun show loophole.

How many shootings are done by people buying a gun from a gun show that they couldn't legally get otherwise?

Not many, so it isn't effective. Try again.

So you need to wait for it to happen first? Why defend the gun show loophole at all?

Because it's not the cause. If a problem isn't caused by x, fixing x won't solve it.
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apocalyptic_4
05/11/18 11:56:52 AM
#109:


DragonGirlYuki posted...
@_Goggalor_ got warned.


Good riddance

Now I remember why I have him tagged as irrational
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gunplagirl
05/11/18 11:56:57 AM
#110:


darkjedilink posted...
gunplagirl posted...
"If we outlaw guns people will get them anyway"

Perhaps, but not nearly so easily and what's more, if we exclude police killings then the largest cause of gun deaths would be crimes of opportunity. Bill and Johnny playing Madden and start getting mad at each other so Johnny goes to his room and comes back and shoots Bill. Randy getting kicked out of a bar and grabs his gun out of his truck. Those ones would drop because they wouldn't be nearly as safe or comfortable keeping an illegal item around. What's more, if it's black market priced then that'll keep it inaccessible to a lot of people, especially kids, who might try planning these attacks.

And then there's that whole "we know people might get them anyway but we still banned lawn darts because of the public safety risk, and that only took like 10 injuries and deaths combined"

Black market guns are often considerably cheaper than legal ones, yo - stolen AND no taxes.


Okay but that's only because there's an excess of legal ones. Look at the black market prices of things that are unilaterally, completely illegal everywhere.
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Sayoria
05/11/18 11:57:12 AM
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My argument must be right, since everyone keeps on the whole idea that banning or allowing guns is still the key observation from things like this. Best part of being a moderate? Thinking logically unbiased.
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TheVipaGTS
05/11/18 11:57:22 AM
#112:


darkjedilink posted...
Because it's not the cause. If a problem isn't caused by x, fixing x won't solve it.

it doesn't mean can't do x. what do you think is so good about the Gun Show Loophole that it shouldn't be dealt with?
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ledbowman
05/11/18 11:58:31 AM
#113:


darkjedilink posted...
Because it's not the cause. If a problem isn't caused by x, fixing x won't solve it.

So you need to wait for it to happen first?
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Offworlder1
05/11/18 12:01:25 PM
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Doubt that you can bring in outside guns to california without them going through some kind of registration. Like I said California is as strict as it gets for gun control and outsiders cant just bring in any gun they want, Cali has to approve any gun you get.

If you buy a gun outside the state of Cali it must be sent to an FFL dealer in Cali, you cant buy in Navada and bring it in your car across the boarder.

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TightEnd
05/11/18 12:01:59 PM
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So there was no actual shooting?
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Squall28
05/11/18 12:04:58 PM
#117:


utarefson posted...
Another senseless and in my opinion, preventable tragedy.

It has to stop. Left and Right in America need to stop fighting each other on this, your children are dying. Working together is the only way you will prevent more tragic loss of young lives.


Lol no.

Liberals: Let's fix this!
Conservatives: No.

There's no equal fighting. It's conservatives blocking.
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biohazard1775
05/11/18 12:06:12 PM
#118:


Tmaster148 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
California already has strict gun control laws, all the people crying for more gun control must not know Cali already is on the lots of gun control band wagon.

This shooting only shows that the current laws were not enforced or that the strict gun control did not work.

California leads the charge for more gun comtrol yet here we are with them having a shooting.


Let's not exclude the possiblity the gun wasn't obtained in California. Strict gun control doesn't do much on its own if nearby areas are lax.


Stop this meme. I live in Nevada and whenever a Californian comes into a gun shop and they tell him to screw off the moment they find out where he is from.
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DragonGirlYuki
05/11/18 12:06:14 PM
#119:


@Offworlder1 posted...
Doubt that you can bring in outside guns to california without them going through some kind of registration. Like I said California is as strict as it gets for gun control and outsiders cant just bring in any gun they want, Cali has to approve any gun you get.

If you buy a gun outside the state of Cali it must be sent to an FFL dealer in Cali, you cant buy in Navada and bring it in your car across the boarder.

@Tmaster148

Do they actually check people for guns? The few times I've been there coming from Oregon they had border guards checking if you had fruit.
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SolaFide
05/11/18 12:06:52 PM
#120:


California's gun control laws, the most stringent in the nation, sure did do a lot of good today.

Squall28 posted...
utarefson posted...
Another senseless and in my opinion, preventable tragedy.

It has to stop. Left and Right in America need to stop fighting each other on this, your children are dying. Working together is the only way you will prevent more tragic loss of young lives.


Lol no.

Liberals: Let's fix this!
Conservatives: No.

There's no equal fighting. It's conservatives blocking.


You should probably change your signature since you dislike conservatism and Winston Churchill is one of the greatest conservative statesmen of all time.
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Offworlder1
05/11/18 12:06:55 PM
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There is literally nothing to fix though, California is as strict as it gets for guns yet the shooting still happened.

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Scorsese2002
05/11/18 12:07:15 PM
#122:


TightEnd posted...
So there was no actual shooting?


1 wounded, 1 in custody after shooting at Palmdale's Highland High School
http://abc7.com/3459983/

A teenage boy was wounded and a suspect was detained Friday morning in a shooting at Highland High School in Palmdale.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department confirmed that one gunshot victim was transported to a hospital after the incident. Eyewitness News has learned that patient is a 17-year old boy who was shot through the forearm.

The suspect's identity was not immediately released.


Dare I say not violent enough for national news to cover, unfortunately
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FifthBeethoven
05/11/18 12:09:41 PM
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Interesting how a topic with a shooting with only one person hurt no deaths gets more posts than one with 7 deaths in Australia on CE. Guess it shows how important American news is.
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Offworlder1
05/11/18 12:10:45 PM
#125:


I think they are suppose to ask you if your transporting a firearm, not sure but I do know no California resident can go out of state, buy a gun and then drive over the boarder with it.

In 2015 California made the new law of you buy out of state it must be sent to a Cali FFL dealer period.

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DragonGirlYuki
05/11/18 12:15:12 PM
#126:


They never asked me if I had guns. Then again I have Canadian plates so they probably don't expect guns so they ask the standard do you have fruits questions.
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Offworlder1
05/11/18 12:17:58 PM
#127:


Yeah the plates is why, if you were then youd be arrested for breaking the law as your plates say your a resident of California.

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DragonGirlYuki
05/11/18 12:21:30 PM
#128:


California seems to be the only state I have seen to have their own border patrol. It is kinda weird. I don't recall an outgoing border though. They don't care if you are leaving the state.
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Pitbuller_26
05/11/18 12:27:50 PM
#129:


Scorsese2002 posted...
TightEnd posted...
So there was no actual shooting?


1 wounded, 1 in custody after shooting at Palmdale's Highland High School
http://abc7.com/3459983/

A teenage boy was wounded and a suspect was detained Friday morning in a shooting at Highland High School in Palmdale.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department confirmed that one gunshot victim was transported to a hospital after the incident. Eyewitness News has learned that patient is a 17-year old boy who was shot through the forearm.

The suspect's identity was not immediately released.


Dare I say not violent enough for national news to cover, unfortunately


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Offworlder1
05/11/18 12:30:07 PM
#130:


Nope they only care about who comes into the state, they dont want people bringing certain things in.

A lot of people are escaping/fleeing California though for a variety of reasons as the place is bullshit expensive to live, the laws are garbage, and the police are insane.

I feel bad for people who live there cause of how strict gun laws are, how they dont require people with HIV/AIDs to say they have it before donating blood, and how many bad laws actually get created there.

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TheVipaGTS
05/11/18 12:31:48 PM
#131:


Offworlder1 posted...
I feel bad for people who live there cause of how strict gun laws are, how they dont require people with HIV/AIDs to say they have it before donating blood, and how many bad laws actually get created there.

you really need to not base your opinion on things you read on the internet.
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hockeybub89
05/11/18 12:31:51 PM
#132:


Time to say guns aren't to blame then shrug our shoulders and move on without actually offering any solutions besides more guns to shoot at these shooters.
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thecoolgu
05/11/18 12:32:02 PM
#133:


Here's the thing, if we banned guns, this country would have significantly more stabbings than countries where knives are also legal.

Why? Because people are making fun of each so often for the stupidest things in this country. I could go on, but you know what I'm talking about. People are mentally insecure because everybody's at each other's throats all the time for no reason, online and offline.

Bottom Line: Banning guns wouldn't lower the level of overall violence in this country.
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DragonGirlYuki
05/11/18 12:35:04 PM
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With them being a high tax area their roads are also pretty bad. Like Eastern Canada bad. California doesn't even get snowly winters that ruin roads like in the east.
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TheVipaGTS
05/11/18 12:35:26 PM
#135:


thecoolgu posted...
Here's the thing, if we banned guns, this country would have significantly more stabbings than countries where knives are also legal.

I'll take mass stabbings over mass shootings any day. A gun can kill a dozen people in a few seconds. A dude with a knife won't have nearly the same "success" rate and its significantly easier to fight back against a dude with a knife than one with a gun...

I say that as someone doesn't want to ban guns. I just think the "people will just stab people!" argument is kind of dumb...
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darkjedilink
05/11/18 12:35:34 PM
#136:


ledbowman posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Because it's not the cause. If a problem isn't caused by x, fixing x won't solve it.

So you need to wait for it to happen first?

Actually, yeah. If you concede the point that it doesn't actually result in gun deaths now, why should we do the work and spend the money to curb it?
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Tmaster148
05/11/18 12:35:57 PM
#137:


thecoolgu posted...
Here's the thing, if we banned guns, this country would have significantly more stabbings than countries where knives are also legal.

Why? Because people are making fun of each so often for the stupidest things in this country. I could go on, but you know what I'm talking about. People are mentally insecure because everybody's at each other's throats all the time for no reason, online and offline.

Bottom Line: Banning guns wouldn't lower the level of overall violence in this country.


Mass stabbings would be more preferable than mass shootings. Simply because it takes far more effort to stab someone to death than shooting them.
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darkjedilink
05/11/18 12:36:39 PM
#138:


TheVipaGTS posted...
thecoolgu posted...
Here's the thing, if we banned guns, this country would have significantly more stabbings than countries where knives are also legal.

I'll take mass stabbings over mass shootings any day. A gun can kill a dozen people in a few seconds. A dude with a knife won't have nearly the same "success" rate and its significantly easier to fight back against a dude with a knife than one with a gun...

I say that as someone doesn't want to ban guns. I just think the "people will just stab people!" argument is kind of dumb...

Is that why more Londoners have been killed in knife attacs than Americans have been killed in mass shootings so far this year?
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Mr_Biscuit
05/11/18 12:37:33 PM
#139:


Liberals: lets ban or limit guns
Conservatives: that wont work
Liberals: ok whats your idea
Conservatives: ...MAGA

Guys like DarkJediLink always have 10,000 reasons gun laws dont reduce gun violence, which would be all well and good if they had any counterproposal that they pushed for. Reality is, they dont care enough to try anything.
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RE_expert44
05/11/18 12:39:19 PM
#140:


Tell me again, what are the gun laws in cali like? Can anyone just go get a gun easily?
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darkjedilink
05/11/18 12:39:41 PM
#141:


Mr_Biscuit posted...
Liberals: lets ban or limit guns
Conservatives: that wont work
Liberals: ok whats your idea
Conservatives: Enforcement of current laws
Liberals: RACIST!

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Offworlder1
05/11/18 12:39:54 PM
#142:


@darkjedilink

Dont forget the people who use trucks, cars, and bombs this past year to kill shit loads of people.

Guns are not the only weapon of mass murder.
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darkjedilink
05/11/18 12:39:59 PM
#143:


RE_expert44 posted...
Tell me again, what are the gun laws in cali like? Can anyone just go get a gun easily?

Nope. Not at all.
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thecoolgu
05/11/18 12:40:03 PM
#144:


I am just pointing out an underlying issue with this country.
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ledbowman
05/11/18 12:40:49 PM
#145:


darkjedilink posted...
ledbowman posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Because it's not the cause. If a problem isn't caused by x, fixing x won't solve it.

So you need to wait for it to happen first?

Actually, yeah. If you concede the point that it doesn't actually result in gun deaths now, why should we do the work and spend the money to curb it?

So it doesn't result in gun deaths in the future?
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Kill_Marxism
05/11/18 12:41:14 PM
#146:


Scorsese2002 posted...
TightEnd posted...
So there was no actual shooting?


1 wounded, 1 in custody after shooting at Palmdale's Highland High School
http://abc7.com/3459983/

A teenage boy was wounded and a suspect was detained Friday morning in a shooting at Highland High School in Palmdale.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department confirmed that one gunshot victim was transported to a hospital after the incident. Eyewitness News has learned that patient is a 17-year old boy who was shot through the forearm.

The suspect's identity was not immediately released.


Dare I say not violent enough for national news to cover, unfortunately

Yup, gang shit most likely. I went to littlerock high school, not far from highland. Bunch of no good thugs and Cholos out there. Most likely that's what this was, but we should wait for news....

Similar shit happened at littlerock. Never a shooting while I was there, but students brought knives, they had "race riots" between the blacks and the hispanics... bunch of stupid dumbasses...
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TheVipaGTS
05/11/18 12:42:03 PM
#147:


thecoolgu posted...
I am just pointing out an underlying issue with this country.

i completely agree that violence won't stop. but an argument against better control for a tool DESIGNED to be a violent weapon should never be "but it won't stop violence overall"...People use trucks to kill people, yes....but we still have fairly strong regulations when it comes to owning and operating a truck. Yes, some people don't follow those rules, some people steal cars, some people will go out of their way to find a way....its not an argument AGAINST having those laws, though...
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Offworlder1
05/11/18 12:42:36 PM
#148:


California gun laws failing to stop the shooting in California shows how uneffective strict gun comtrol laws are.

When the current laws that are strict as hell dont do anything to stop people its time to try something else to end school shootings.
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Nomadic View
05/11/18 12:42:53 PM
#149:


darkjedilink posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
Liberals: lets ban or limit guns
Conservatives: that wont work
Liberals: ok whats your idea
Conservatives: Enforcement of current laws
Liberals: RACIST!

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Tmaster148
05/11/18 12:43:48 PM
#150:


thecoolgu posted...
I am just pointing out an underlying issue with this country.


We can also restrict access to guns as well as work towards improving what you said.

It makes little sense to let people who are going to harm others get access to guns.
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legendarylemur
05/11/18 12:44:08 PM
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Freedom is nice until somebody abuses it, and now we all can't have any fun. Ban all guns
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Patchwork
05/11/18 12:44:54 PM
#152:


legendarylemur posted...
Freedom is nice until somebody abuses it, and now we all can't have any fun. Ban all guns


No.
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