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averagejoel 05/09/18 2:03:17 PM #101:	HypnoCoosh posted... They get paid what the market dictates. Want more to be worth more invest in yourself or your skills. i.e. make good decisions. are you incapable of grasping the concept of a systemic issue? because that's what this is. individuals becoming better at something will not fix this issue The subsidies are already SOCIALISM. That's the whole point and if you read the thread you would see my first post to OP was people hate the word "socialism" because they hate taxes. subsidies are not socialism. socialism is an economic system. subsidies are a socialist-influenced idea in a capitalist system --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:901061872] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote>They get paid what the market dictates. Want more to be worth more invest in yourself or your skills. i.e. make good decisions.</quote> are you incapable of grasping the concept of a systemic issue? because that's what this is. individuals becoming better at something will not fix this issue <quote>The subsidies are already SOCIALISM. That's the whole point and if you read the thread you would see my first post to OP was people hate the word "socialism" because they hate taxes.</quote> subsidies are not socialism. socialism is an economic system. subsidies are a socialist-influenced idea in a capitalist system</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 05/09/18 2:03:19 PM #102:	The23rdMagus posted... HypnoCoosh posted... They get paid what the market dictates. Want more to be worth more invest in yourself or your skills. i.e. make good decisions. So while the job is necessary, people who do it shouldn't make enough to survive without government subsidies? Define survive? Also low-skill jobs we're never meant for raising a family. However we have subsides in place for these people that just can't seem to "get it together". Not sure what more you want. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:901061875] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote>They get paid what the market dictates. Want more to be worth more invest in yourself or your skills. i.e. make good decisions. </quote> So while the job is necessary, people who do it shouldn't make enough to survive without government subsidies?</quote> Define survive? Also low-skill jobs we're never meant for raising a family. However we have subsides in place for these people that just can't seem to "get it together". Not sure what more you want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 05/09/18 2:04:07 PM #103:	averagejoel posted... subsidies are not socialism. socialism is an economic system. subsidies are a socialist-influenced idea in a capitalist system It's the same thing. America is already a quasi-socialist country open your fucking eyes. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:901061921] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>subsidies are not socialism. socialism is an economic system. subsidies are a socialist-influenced idea in a capitalist system</quote> It's the same thing. America is already a quasi-socialist country open your fucking eyes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 05/09/18 2:04:25 PM #104:	HypnoCoosh posted... The23rdMagus posted... HypnoCoosh posted... They get paid what the market dictates. Want more to be worth more invest in yourself or your skills. i.e. make good decisions. So while the job is necessary, people who do it shouldn't make enough to survive without government subsidies? Define survive? Also low-skill jobs we're never meant for raising a family. However we have subsides in place for these people that just can't seem to "get it together". Not sure what more you want. In the 1920s people could make a living off of low skilled jobs, and now in 2018 we can't? Why's that fair? --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:901061942] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote>They get paid what the market dictates. Want more to be worth more invest in yourself or your skills. i.e. make good decisions. </quote> So while the job is necessary, people who do it shouldn't make enough to survive without government subsidies?</quote> Define survive? Also low-skill jobs we're never meant for raising a family. However we have subsides in place for these people that just can't seem to "get it together". Not sure what more you want.</quote> In the 1920s people could make a living off of low skilled jobs, and now in 2018 we can't? Why's that fair?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 05/09/18 2:05:08 PM #105:	Because they dont know what it is and still live like its 1930 where its synonymous with communism due to propaganda. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:901061978] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote>Because they dont know what it is and still live like its 1930 where its synonymous with communism due to propaganda.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/09/18 2:05:09 PM #106:	HypnoCoosh posted... averagejoel posted... HypnoCoosh posted... halomonkey1_3_5 posted... wage theft i.e. profit fixed Ah yes heaven forbid companies actually try to be profitable and create jobs and employment. Imagine all the awesome shit we wouldn't have if capitalism wasn't around to motivate people to do cool shit. capitalism isn't what motivates people to do cool shit it's actually preventing more people from doing cool shit because people have to worry about paying rent and keeping food on the table --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:901061979] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>halomonkey1_3_5 posted...</cite> <quote>wage theft</quote> i.e. profit</quote> fixed</quote> Ah yes heaven forbid companies actually try to be profitable and create jobs and employment. Imagine all the awesome shit we wouldn't have if capitalism wasn't around to motivate people to do cool shit.</quote> capitalism isn't what motivates people to do cool shit it's actually preventing more people from doing cool shit because people have to worry about paying rent and keeping food on the table</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/09/18 2:05:19 PM #107:	You want to talk about getting paid less than your labor is worth: take a moment to consider all of the unpaid work, mostly in the home, that makes society even possible. Cooking, cleaning, and caring for others is work, but it doesn't get remunerated as such. I don't think the solution is to commodify housework necessarily, but it's a clear example of value not equating to a wage. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:901061986] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote>You want to talk about getting paid less than your labor is worth: take a moment to consider all of the unpaid work, mostly in the home, that makes society even possible. Cooking, cleaning, and caring for others is work, but it doesn't get remunerated as such. I don't think the solution is to commodify housework necessarily, but it's a clear example of value not equating to a wage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 05/09/18 2:05:34 PM #108:	HypnoCoosh posted... Also low-skill jobs we're never meant for raising a family. However we have subsides in place for these people that just can't seem to "get it together". Not sure what more you want. Problem you have is that the jobs that are made for raising a family require investments that discourage the practice of having children so you end up with a negative population growth and eventual societal collapse. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:901061998] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote> Also low-skill jobs we're never meant for raising a family. However we have subsides in place for these people that just can't seem to "get it together". Not sure what more you want.</quote> Problem you have is that the jobs that are made for raising a family require investments that discourage the practice of having children so you end up with a negative population growth and eventual societal collapse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/09/18 2:06:23 PM #109:	HypnoCoosh posted... averagejoel posted... subsidies are not socialism. socialism is an economic system. subsidies are a socialist-influenced idea in a capitalist system It's the same thing. America is already a quasi-socialist country open your fucking eyes. America is not quasi-socialist just because there are taxes, a government, and some socially funded programs --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:901062055] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>subsidies are not socialism. socialism is an economic system. subsidies are a socialist-influenced idea in a capitalist system</quote> It's the same thing. America is already a quasi-socialist country open your fucking eyes.</quote> America is not quasi-socialist just because there are taxes, a government, and some socially funded programs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 05/09/18 2:07:53 PM #110:	uwnim posted... negative population growth and eventual societal collapse. I think the world population is doing just fine. If anything we need to slow down our growth as a species and likely will. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:901062138] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote>negative population growth and eventual societal collapse.</quote> I think the world population is doing just fine. If anything we need to slow down our growth as a species and likely will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 05/09/18 2:11:40 PM #111:	HypnoCoosh posted... uwnim posted... negative population growth and eventual societal collapse. I think the world population is doing just fine. If anything we need to slow down our growth as a species and likely will. World-wide sure. In the developed nations, population growth is typically due to immigration due to birth rates being below replacement since children are an economic loss for the individual. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:901062344] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote>negative population growth and eventual societal collapse.</quote> I think the world population is doing just fine. If anything we need to slow down our growth as a species and likely will.</quote> World-wide sure. In the developed nations, population growth is typically due to immigration due to birth rates being below replacement since children are an economic loss for the individual.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 05/09/18 2:12:48 PM #112:	averagejoel posted... America is not quasi-socialist just because there are taxes, a government, and some socially funded programs socialism [sSHlizm] NOUN a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. WTF do you think local, state and federal level governments are? --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:901062406] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>America is not quasi-socialist just because there are taxes, a government, and some socially funded programs</quote> socialism [sSHlizm] NOUN a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. WTF do you think local, state and federal level governments are? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/09/18 2:14:14 PM #113:	Paper_Okami posted... darkjedilink posted... Paper_Okami posted... darkjedilink posted... In a capitalist society, it's impossible for you to be paid less than what your labor is worth. HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAHA LMAO haahahahaah imagine believing this How are people being paid less than the worth of their labor? https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ Lol Automation making your job easier doesn't mean your labor is worth more. If anything, it means it's worth less. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901062483] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>In a capitalist society, it's impossible for you to be paid less than what your labor is worth.</quote> HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAHA LMAO haahahahaah imagine believing this</quote> How are people being paid less than the worth of their labor?</quote> https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/</quote> Lol Automation making your job easier doesn't mean your labor is worth more. If anything, it means it's worth less.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 05/09/18 2:15:05 PM #114:	darkjedilink posted... Paper_Okami posted... darkjedilink posted... Paper_Okami posted... darkjedilink posted... In a capitalist society, it's impossible for you to be paid less than what your labor is worth. HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAHA LMAO haahahahaah imagine believing this How are people being paid less than the worth of their labor? https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ Lol Automation making your job easier doesn't mean your labor is worth more. If anything, it means it's worth less. That's because capitalism cares about money before people --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:901062528] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>In a capitalist society, it's impossible for you to be paid less than what your labor is worth.</quote> HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAHA LMAO haahahahaah imagine believing this</quote> How are people being paid less than the worth of their labor?</quote> https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/</quote> Lol Automation making your job easier doesn't mean your labor is worth more. If anything, it means it's worth less.</quote> That's because capitalism cares about money before people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 05/09/18 2:17:40 PM #115:	REMercsChamp posted... That's because capitalism cares about money before people No money no profits. No profits no jobs No jobs no products or services No products or services less things that make life "better" If you want to go back to hunting and gathering go for it. And for the record you CAN care about money and people at the same time. Fucking stupid to say otherwise. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:901062686] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>That's because capitalism cares about money before people </quote> No money no profits. No profits no jobs No jobs no products or services No products or services less things that make life "better" If you want to go back to hunting and gathering go for it. And for the record you CAN care about money and people at the same time. Fucking stupid to say otherwise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 05/09/18 2:17:44 PM #116:	darkjedilink posted... Automation making your job easier doesn't mean your labor is worth more. If anything, it means it's worth less. Any changes to the value of the job would depend on the cost of the machine and how much it increased productivity. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:901062688] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> Automation making your job easier doesn't mean your labor is worth more. If anything, it means it's worth less.</quote> Any changes to the value of the job would depend on the cost of the machine and how much it increased productivity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/09/18 2:18:16 PM #117:	HypnoCoosh posted... averagejoel posted... America is not quasi-socialist just because there are taxes, a government, and some socially funded programs socialism [sSHlizm] NOUN a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. WTF do you think local, state and federal level governments are? not that --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:901062716] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>America is not quasi-socialist just because there are taxes, a government, and some socially funded programs</quote> socialism [sSHlizm] NOUN a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. WTF do you think local, state and federal level governments are? </quote> not that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 05/09/18 2:41:00 PM #118:	uwnim posted... Uncle Choad posted... Because I don't feel like living in some garbage country with no upward mobility. Imagine having your income stagnate when you're 30 years old. What a dream. I'll continue supporting my right to kick people off my property. You want that because you have been conditioned to want a high score in life. In reality money after a point becomes effectively meaningless and the only purpose becomes to use it just to show that you have it. Kicking people off your property doesn't really have anything to do with economic systems. Kicking people off has everything to do with it, because it's mine. GIT. And people with money don't spend it, which is why they have money. Can't save up a big nest egg by caring about what people think of you. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:901063934] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>Because I don't feel like living in some garbage country with no upward mobility. Imagine having your income stagnate when you're 30 years old. What a dream. I'll continue supporting my right to kick people off my property.</quote> You want that because you have been conditioned to want a high score in life. In reality money after a point becomes effectively meaningless and the only purpose becomes to use it just to show that you have it. Kicking people off your property doesn't really have anything to do with economic systems.</quote> Kicking people off has everything to do with it, because it's mine. GIT. And people with money don't spend it, which is why they have money. Can't save up a big nest egg by caring about what people think of you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/09/18 2:46:20 PM #119:	darkjedilink posted... Antifar posted... darkjedilink posted... All the millions of people killed to implement socialism and communism throughout history would say they had a choice? I have some interesting news for you about how capitalism was implemented. Capitalism is as old as society. Bartering in ancient times is capitalism. Mercantilism is primordial capitalism. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:901064219] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>All the millions of people killed to implement socialism and communism throughout history would say they had a choice? </quote> I have some interesting news for you about how capitalism was implemented.</quote> Capitalism is as old as society. Bartering in ancient times is capitalism.</quote> Mercantilism is primordial capitalism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/09/18 2:49:03 PM #120:	uwnim posted... darkjedilink posted... Automation making your job easier doesn't mean your labor is worth more. If anything, it means it's worth less. Any changes to the value of the job would depend on the cost of the machine and how much it increased productivity. 'the job' is not equal to 'labor.' That idiot mentality is what lead the UAW to force GM pay $60 to tighten lug nuts with a computer. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901064363] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> Automation making your job easier doesn't mean your labor is worth more. If anything, it means it's worth less.</quote> Any changes to the value of the job would depend on the cost of the machine and how much it increased productivity.</quote> 'the job' is not equal to 'labor.' That idiot mentality is what lead the UAW to force GM pay $60 to tighten lug nuts with a computer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 05/09/18 3:05:38 PM #121:	darkjedilink posted... 'the job' is not equal to 'labor.' That idiot mentality is what lead the UAW to force GM pay $60 to tighten lug nuts with a computer. Any job has you be paid to do X task(s) as such the job is equal to them. I cannot determine whether or not that pay is ridiculous or not from your sentence. There is no information about the value added by the position, nor how it compares to other positions and there is no guarantee that is the complete job description. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:901065229] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> 'the job' is not equal to 'labor.' That idiot mentality is what lead the UAW to force GM pay $60 to tighten lug nuts with a computer.</quote> Any job has you be paid to do X task(s) as such the job is equal to them. I cannot determine whether or not that pay is ridiculous or not from your sentence. There is no information about the value added by the position, nor how it compares to other positions and there is no guarantee that is the complete job description.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/09/18 3:07:04 PM #122:	uwnim posted... darkjedilink posted... 'the job' is not equal to 'labor.' That idiot mentality is what lead the UAW to force GM pay $60 to tighten lug nuts with a computer. Any job has you be paid to do X task(s) as such the job is equal to them. I cannot determine whether or not that pay is ridiculous or not from your sentence. There is no information about the value added by the position, nor how it compares to other positions and there is no guarantee that is the complete job description. You would pay someone $60 an hour to tighten bolts on your car? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901065294] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> 'the job' is not equal to 'labor.' That idiot mentality is what lead the UAW to force GM pay $60 to tighten lug nuts with a computer.</quote> Any job has you be paid to do X task(s) as such the job is equal to them. I cannot determine whether or not that pay is ridiculous or not from your sentence. There is no information about the value added by the position, nor how it compares to other positions and there is no guarantee that is the complete job description.</quote> You would pay someone $60 an hour to tighten bolts on your car?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/09/18 3:19:08 PM #123:	Labor costs are part of the pricing for a job. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:901065845] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote>Labor costs are part of the pricing for a job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 05/09/18 3:40:49 PM #124:	darkjedilink posted... You would pay someone $60 an hour to tighten bolts on your car? No, I wouldn't be paying someone an hourly wage for that. There'd be a predetermined set price. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:901066923] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> You would pay someone $60 an hour to tighten bolts on your car?</quote> No, I wouldn't be paying someone an hourly wage for that. There'd be a predetermined set price.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 05/09/18 3:52:33 PM #125:	uwnim posted... darkjedilink posted... You would pay someone $60 an hour to tighten bolts on your car? No, I wouldn't be paying someone an hourly wage for that. There'd be a predetermined set price. You don't get to pay anybody, because you adopted socialism and don't have any money. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:901067597] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> You would pay someone $60 an hour to tighten bolts on your car?</quote> No, I wouldn't be paying someone an hourly wage for that. There'd be a predetermined set price.</quote> You don't get to pay anybody, because you adopted socialism and don't have any money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 05/09/18 3:54:59 PM #126:	Uncle Choad posted... uwnim posted... darkjedilink posted... You would pay someone $60 an hour to tighten bolts on your car? No, I wouldn't be paying someone an hourly wage for that. There'd be a predetermined set price. You don't get to pay anybody, because you adopted socialism and don't have any money. When did I do that? --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:901067722] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> You would pay someone $60 an hour to tighten bolts on your car?</quote> No, I wouldn't be paying someone an hourly wage for that. There'd be a predetermined set price.</quote> You don't get to pay anybody, because you adopted socialism and don't have any money.</quote> When did I do that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 05/09/18 3:55:38 PM #127:	Cause it's fucking stupid concept --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:901067755] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote>Cause it's fucking stupid concept</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 05/09/18 4:02:21 PM #128:	uwnim posted... Uncle Choad posted... uwnim posted... darkjedilink posted... You would pay someone $60 an hour to tighten bolts on your car? No, I wouldn't be paying someone an hourly wage for that. There'd be a predetermined set price. You don't get to pay anybody, because you adopted socialism and don't have any money. When did I do that? During this hypothetical discussion about the failures of socialism and why losers need it so they can eternally not blame themselves. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:901068093] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> You would pay someone $60 an hour to tighten bolts on your car?</quote> No, I wouldn't be paying someone an hourly wage for that. There'd be a predetermined set price.</quote> You don't get to pay anybody, because you adopted socialism and don't have any money.</quote> When did I do that?</quote> During this hypothetical discussion about the failures of socialism and why losers need it so they can eternally not blame themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/09/18 4:10:39 PM #129:	Kineth posted... Labor costs are part of the pricing for a job. good luck charging someone that much labor for tightning lug nuts. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901068607] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Labor costs are part of the pricing for a job.</quote> good luck charging someone that much labor for tightning lug nuts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/09/18 4:46:59 PM #130:	darkjedilink posted... Kineth posted... Labor costs are part of the pricing for a job. good luck charging someone that much labor for tightning lug nuts. I have ethics so I wouldn't even consider that as a reasonable price. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:901070563] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Labor costs are part of the pricing for a job.</quote> good luck charging someone that much labor for tightning lug nuts.</quote> I have ethics so I wouldn't even consider that as a reasonable price.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suchomimus 05/09/18 4:50:20 PM #131:	Because it doesn't work --- I'm a peasant. <cite>Suchomimus posted [p:901070727] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote>Because it doesn't work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/09/18 4:53:21 PM #132:	Suchomimus posted... Because it doesn't work Strong post to sig ratio. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:901070907] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suchomimus posted...</cite> <quote>Because it doesn't work</quote> Strong post to sig ratio.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RainblowDash 05/09/18 4:54:28 PM #133:	Probably because of all the death and misery that system brings? Under socialism, people wait for bread. Under capitalism, bread waits for people. --- Ryzen 7 1700X - Sapphire RX Vega 64 - ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Samsung 960 EVO 500gb - G.Skill TridentZ RGB 16gb - Silverstone SX700 700W <cite>RainblowDash posted [p:901070978] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote>Probably because of all the death and misery that system brings? Under socialism, people wait for bread. Under capitalism, bread waits for people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Oatcakes 05/09/18 4:57:07 PM #135:	darkjedilink posted... uwnim posted... DevsBro posted... Better question is why do liberals want to pay higher taxes so badly Because if people aren't idiots it is more efficient since you reduce the number of processes involved in providing any particular service. Unfortunately humanity as a whole is rather dumb so things never really work out how they should but idealists exist and so you have people who want more taxes. This is a blatant falsehood. Socializing anything adds MORE steps, red tape, and cost, almost universally. That's why FedEx and UPS offer better service cheaper than the Post Office, while turning a profit. Or why the UK government pays about 5x less per person for the socialist NHS than the US does on it's system. --- F.C. Stokalona http://i.imgur.com/CJ0dPBq.jpg <cite>Oatcakes posted [p:901071122] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>Better question is why do liberals want to pay higher taxes so badly</quote> Because if people aren't idiots it is more efficient since you reduce the number of processes involved in providing any particular service. Unfortunately humanity as a whole is rather dumb so things never really work out how they should but idealists exist and so you have people who want more taxes.</quote> This is a blatant falsehood. Socializing anything adds MORE steps, red tape, and cost, almost universally. That's why FedEx and UPS offer better service cheaper than the Post Office, while turning a profit.</quote> Or why the UK government pays about 5x less per person for the socialist NHS than the US does on it's system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/09/18 4:57:17 PM #136:	RainblowDash posted... Probably because of all the death and misery that system brings? Under socialism, people wait for bread. Under capitalism, bread waits for people. Suddenly Bolsheviks and CCP are socialists and communism isn't a thing. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:901071128] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>RainblowDash posted...</cite> <quote>Probably because of all the death and misery that system brings? Under socialism, people wait for bread. Under capitalism, bread waits for people.</quote> Suddenly Bolsheviks and CCP are socialists and communism isn't a thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/09/18 4:57:25 PM #137:	Simple, Americans don't want half their check taken by the government which is what socialism entails. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 3 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:901071139] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote>Simple, Americans don't want half their check taken by the government which is what socialism entails.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SideshowBob311 05/09/18 5:02:23 PM #138:	Socialism is not compatible with American life. It requires obscenely high taxes (see Norway) and crashes and burns the second corruption works it's way in (see Venezuela, USSR, etc). Americans hate taxes and are incapable of reigning in governmental corruption. --- "Whether or not you can handle it, you have just heard another statement of the TRUTH." [WoT] - [Evil Republican] <cite>SideshowBob311 posted [p:901071400] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote>Socialism is not compatible with American life. It requires obscenely high taxes (see Norway) and crashes and burns the second corruption works it's way in (see Venezuela, USSR, etc). Americans hate taxes and are incapable of reigning in governmental corruption.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/09/18 5:04:24 PM #139:	It's like people just have this visceral loathing for socialism and communism that's completely driven by feelings. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:901071494] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote>It's like people just have this visceral loathing for socialism and communism that's completely driven by feelings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/09/18 5:05:42 PM #140:	Its not the word...its that socialism is shit and doesn't belong in America. Fuck out of here with that shit --- I have a gamefaqs following. Watch them flock to my posts. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:901071558] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote>Its not the word...its that socialism is shit and doesn't belong in America. Fuck out of here with that shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 05/09/18 5:07:28 PM #141:	Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:901071645] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote>Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/09/18 5:08:11 PM #142:	@Kineth posted... It's like people just have this visceral loathing for socialism and communism that's completely driven by feelings. Kineth talking about being driven by feelings....is fucking hilarious --- I have a gamefaqs following. Watch them flock to my posts. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:901071680] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>It's like people just have this visceral loathing for socialism and communism that's completely driven by feelings.</quote> Kineth talking about being driven by feelings....is fucking hilarious</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/09/18 5:08:28 PM #143:	RoboLaserGandhi posted... Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't. Which country? Which values? What bullshit. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:901071697] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't.</quote> Which country? Which values? What bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/09/18 5:11:09 PM #144:	Kineth posted... RoboLaserGandhi posted... Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't. Which country? Which values? What bullshit. Do you really want to give at least half your earned money to government? To each their own but most Americans won't stand for it. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 3 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:901071837] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't.</quote> Which country? Which values? What bullshit.</quote> Do you really want to give at least half your earned money to government? To each their own but most Americans won't stand for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/09/18 5:12:35 PM #145:	voldothegr8 posted... Kineth posted... RoboLaserGandhi posted... Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't. Which country? Which values? What bullshit. Do you really want to give at least half your earned money to government? To each their own but most Americans won't stand for it. The weird thing is if he feels so compelled tk give more to the government to help people...he can already do that. NOTHING is stopping him! --- I have a gamefaqs following. Watch them flock to my posts. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:901071910] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't.</quote> Which country? Which values? What bullshit.</quote> Do you really want to give at least half your earned money to government? To each their own but most Americans won't stand for it.</quote> The weird thing is if he feels so compelled tk give more to the government to help people...he can already do that. NOTHING is stopping him!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SideshowBob311 05/09/18 5:13:54 PM #146:	KingCrabCake posted... voldothegr8 posted... Kineth posted... RoboLaserGandhi posted... Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't. Which country? Which values? What bullshit. Do you really want to give at least half your earned money to government? To each their own but most Americans won't stand for it. The weird thing is if he feels so compelled tk give more to the government to help people...he can already do that. NOTHING is stopping him! Psssh...why do that? It's much easier to spend OTHER people's money and cry moral outrage when they disagree. --- "Whether or not you can handle it, you have just heard another statement of the TRUTH." [WoT] - [Evil Republican] <cite>SideshowBob311 posted [p:901071973] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't.</quote> Which country? Which values? What bullshit.</quote> Do you really want to give at least half your earned money to government? To each their own but most Americans won't stand for it.</quote> The weird thing is if he feels so compelled tk give more to the government to help people...he can already do that. NOTHING is stopping him!</quote> Psssh...why do that? It's much easier to spend OTHER people's money and cry moral outrage when they disagree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 05/09/18 5:14:07 PM #147:	Kineth posted... RoboLaserGandhi posted... Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't. Which country? Which values? What bullshit. The classical liberal/libertarian values the United States was founded for... Like the entire reason we rebelled against Great Britain was corporate conquest and personal freedom. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:901071984] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't.</quote> Which country? Which values? What bullshit.</quote> The classical liberal/libertarian values the United States was founded for... Like the entire reason we rebelled against Great Britain was corporate conquest and personal freedom.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingCrabCake 05/09/18 5:31:42 PM #149:	SideshowBob311 posted... KingCrabCake posted... voldothegr8 posted... Kineth posted... RoboLaserGandhi posted... Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't. Which country? Which values? What bullshit. Do you really want to give at least half your earned money to government? To each their own but most Americans won't stand for it. The weird thing is if he feels so compelled tk give more to the government to help people...he can already do that. NOTHING is stopping him! Psssh...why do that? It's much easier to spend OTHER people's money and cry moral outrage when they disagree. At least he's not whining about white people..so that's a plus And Yeah its weird people who support socialism never donate their money ever --- I have a gamefaqs following. Watch them flock to my posts. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:901072836] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>SideshowBob311 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>Probably because socialism runs counter to some of the core founding ideals of this country. Ever thought of that? Of course you didn't.</quote> Which country? Which values? What bullshit.</quote> Do you really want to give at least half your earned money to government? To each their own but most Americans won't stand for it.</quote> The weird thing is if he feels so compelled tk give more to the government to help people...he can already do that. NOTHING is stopping him!</quote> Psssh...why do that? It's much easier to spend OTHER people's money and cry moral outrage when they disagree.</quote> At least he's not whining about white people..so that's a plus And Yeah its weird people who support socialism never donate their money ever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/09/18 5:41:54 PM #150:	RoboLaserGandhi posted... The classical liberal/libertarian values the United States was founded for... Like the entire reason we rebelled against Great Britain was corporate conquest and personal freedom. So I'm a classic liberal/left-leaning libertarian and I would argue that education and health care are things that should be funded and made accessible to everyone at minimal cost. An educated populace is invaluable to liberty and to the economy and I shouldn't even have to explain why a healthy populace should be valued. We are currently in a system that does not value personal freedom and we are also beholden to corporate interests. So tl;dr: you make valid points, but they don't validate the premise or the conclusion. voldothegr8 posted... Do you really want to give at least half your earned money to government? To each their own but most Americans won't stand for it. The assumption of a 50% tax rate is fallacious, though I will say that it isn't without merit. The tax codes need to be rewritten, period. Regardless of whether we're free market capitalism, democrat socialism, crony capitalism (which is where we're at right now and is also not actually capitalism), protectionist.. whatever. There's taxable income and earnings that aren't even being collected under the current tax code as it is. I'm not for a pure system of any kind in regard to the economy, but I am all for the labor market, the critical piece that drives the economy on the production and consumer end. Our workers, our citizens, our children, parents, friends, etc should actually have their tax dollars go into investing in the economy. I mean... you can't think that corporate bailouts are capitalist in nature with a straight face, right? --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:901073382] in Why are Am... [t:76592214]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>The classical liberal/libertarian values the United States was founded for... Like the entire reason we rebelled against Great Britain was corporate conquest and personal freedom.</quote> So I'm a classic liberal/left-leaning libertarian and I would argue that education and health care are things that should be funded and made accessible to everyone at minimal cost. An educated populace is invaluable to liberty and to the economy and I shouldn't even have to explain why a healthy populace should be valued. We are currently in a system that does not value personal freedom and we are also beholden to corporate interests. So tl;dr: you make valid points, but they don't validate the premise or the conclusion. <cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Do you really want to give at least half your earned money to government? To each their own but most Americans won't stand for it.</quote> The assumption of a 50% tax rate is fallacious, though I will say that it isn't without merit. The tax codes need to be rewritten, period. Regardless of whether we're free market capitalism, democrat socialism, crony capitalism (which is where we're at right now and is also not actually capitalism), protectionist.. whatever. There's taxable income and earnings that aren't even being collected under the current tax code as it is. I'm not for a pure system of any kind in regard to the economy, but I am all for the labor market, the critical piece that drives the economy on the production and consumer end. Our workers, our citizens, our children, parents, friends, etc should actually have their tax dollars go into investing in the economy. I mean... you can't think that corporate bailouts are capitalist in nature with a straight face, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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