Current Events > Iowa governor and human being signs fetal 'heartbeat bill' into law

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myzz7
05/05/18 12:20:31 PM
#101:


UnfairRepresent posted...
The restriction is the strictest abortion regulation in the nation, the AP said.

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DifferentialEquation
05/05/18 12:21:06 PM
#102:


UnfairRepresent posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
My body, my choice, your wallet feminists: You should either be forced to pay for my abortions and birth control, or you should be forced to pay my bills after I give birth.

It'll cost tax payers more to have more unwanted babies and miserable parents than it will to have legal abortions dude


When you use this justification, you're then essentially allowing people to make ransom demands of the taxpayers.

"You better pay for my birth control, or I'll just be irresponsible and have kids which will cost you even more money!" is really no different than "You better give me $100,000 or I'll go around and vandalize and destroy things which will cost you even more to repair!"
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SomeonesAlt
05/05/18 12:21:59 PM
#103:


DifferentialEquation posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
My body, my choice, your wallet feminists: You should either be forced to pay for my abortions and birth control, or you should be forced to pay my bills after I give birth.

It'll cost tax payers more to have more unwanted babies and miserable parents than it will to have legal abortions dude


When you use this justification, you're then essentially allowing people to make ransom demands of the taxpayers.

"You better pay for my birth control, or I'll just be irresponsible and have kids which will cost you even more money!" is really no different than "You better give me $100,000 or I'll go around and vandalize and destroy things which will cost you even more to repair!"

The same question to you:

Is it abortion you're against or it being funded by taxpayers money?
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UnfairRepresent
05/05/18 12:22:04 PM
#104:


myzz7 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
The restriction is the strictest abortion regulation in the nation, the AP said.

good.

I think it's pretty bad myself. You're hurting a lot of people, especially women for no real reason
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tennisdude818
05/05/18 12:22:43 PM
#105:


UnfairRepresent posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
My body, my choice, your wallet feminists: You should either be forced to pay for my abortions and birth control, or you should be forced to pay my bills after I give birth.

It'll cost tax payers more to have more unwanted babies and miserable parents than it will to have legal abortions dude


Tax payers shouldnt pay for either. Encouraging single motherhood by subsidizing it leads to greater crime and economic dysfunction. It hurts the people its designed to help, typical government program.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/05/18 12:23:50 PM
#106:


UnfairRepresent posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...


There should be harsh punishments for people that have kids that they can't take care of, with capital punishment potentially being an option for repeat offenders.

The fuck?


I know right?

"Abortion is murder and the child has the right to life, so you have to have it, but if you don't take care of it perfectly, you forfeit your own right to life and will be murdered by the government."

I know DE gonna DE, but that level of shitposting should get him a few days of warned status imo.
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DifferentialEquation
05/05/18 12:25:32 PM
#107:


SomeonesAlt posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
My body, my choice, your wallet feminists: You should either be forced to pay for my abortions and birth control, or you should be forced to pay my bills after I give birth.

It'll cost tax payers more to have more unwanted babies and miserable parents than it will to have legal abortions dude


When you use this justification, you're then essentially allowing people to make ransom demands of the taxpayers.

"You better pay for my birth control, or I'll just be irresponsible and have kids which will cost you even more money!" is really no different than "You better give me $100,000 or I'll go around and vandalize and destroy things which will cost you even more to repair!"

The same question to you:

Is it abortion you're against or it being funded by taxpayers money?


At the very least, I'm against abortion after a certain point in the pregnancy. I don't know that this law is the appropriate one.

However, with the way liberals have been trying to gun grab lately, I'll support any abortion ban purely as a retaliatory measure.
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UnfairRepresent
05/05/18 12:26:16 PM
#108:


tennisdude818 posted...

Tax payers shouldnt pay for either. Encouraging single motherhood by subsidizing it leads to greater crime and economic dysfunction.

What evidence do you have for this?

The areas with the highest unwanted teen pregnancy are right wing with strict abortion and anti sex ed laws.

And the parts of Africa where Catholics enforced strict anti-abortion and anti-sex ideals were utterly catastrophic in terms of the damage they did economically, health wise, crimewise.

One of the biggest arguments for abortion period is that pretty much every society that embraces it ends up better off than societies that condem it.
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DifferentialEquation
05/05/18 12:26:43 PM
#109:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...


There should be harsh punishments for people that have kids that they can't take care of, with capital punishment potentially being an option for repeat offenders.

The fuck?


I know right?

"Abortion is murder and the child has the right to life, so you have to have it, but if you don't take care of it perfectly, you forfeit your own right to life and will be murdered by the government."

I know DE gonna DE, but that level of shitposting should get him a few days of warned status imo.


We already have capital punishment for other crimes. I don't want to take away anyone's right to due process or a fair trial either.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/05/18 12:26:47 PM
#110:


tennisdude818 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
?My body, my choice, your wallet? feminists: ?You should either be forced to pay for my abortions and birth control, or you should be forced to pay my bills after I give birth.?

It'll cost tax payers more to have more unwanted babies and miserable parents than it will to have legal abortions dude


Tax payers shouldn?t pay for either. Encouraging single motherhood by subsidizing it leads to greater crime and economic dysfunction. It hurts the people it?s designed to help, typical government program.


But you're okay with abortion so long as it isn't paid for by tax dollars right?
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UnfairRepresent
05/05/18 12:27:01 PM
#111:


DifferentialEquation posted...
with the way liberals have been trying to gun grab lately, I'll support any abortion ban purely as a retaliatory measure.

The fuck

You want to hurt and punish random women to "get at" liberals over guns?

That's absurd and childish
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Dragonblade01
05/05/18 12:27:29 PM
#112:


I still don't understand the logic in people advocating for bills like this and also allowing exemptions in certain cases.

You set up a criteria for the fetus to be protected after a certain point unless it's the result of rape? Do rape fetuses matter less or take longer to reach that criteria?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/05/18 12:29:16 PM
#113:


DifferentialEquation posted...
SomeonesAlt posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
?My body, my choice, your wallet? feminists: ?You should either be forced to pay for my abortions and birth control, or you should be forced to pay my bills after I give birth.?

It'll cost tax payers more to have more unwanted babies and miserable parents than it will to have legal abortions dude


When you use this justification, you're then essentially allowing people to make ransom demands of the taxpayers.

"You better pay for my birth control, or I'll just be irresponsible and have kids which will cost you even more money!" is really no different than "You better give me $100,000 or I'll go around and vandalize and destroy things which will cost you even more to repair!"

The same question to you:

Is it abortion you're against or it being funded by taxpayers money?


At the very least, I'm against abortion after a certain point in the pregnancy. I don't know that this law is the appropriate one.

However, with the way liberals have been trying to gun grab lately, I'll support any abortion ban purely as a retaliatory measure.


"I'm okay with countless lives being ruined because it spites the side with some people who want to ban guns."

I wish you were some kind of gimmick and not an honest poster who believes 100% of what he posts.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/05/18 12:30:05 PM
#114:


DifferentialEquation posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...


There should be harsh punishments for people that have kids that they can't take care of, with capital punishment potentially being an option for repeat offenders.

The fuck?


I know right?

"Abortion is murder and the child has the right to life, so you have to have it, but if you don't take care of it perfectly, you forfeit your own right to life and will be murdered by the government."

I know DE gonna DE, but that level of shitposting should get him a few days of warned status imo.


We already have capital punishment for other crimes. I don't want to take away anyone's right to due process or a fair trial either.


^backpedaling
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UnfairRepresent
05/05/18 12:30:19 PM
#115:


Dragonblade01 posted...
I still don't understand the logic in people advocating for bills like this and also allowing exemptions in certain cases.

You set up a criteria for the fetus to be protected after a certain point unless it's the result of rape? Do rape fetuses matter less or take longer to reach that criteria?

It's harder to justify personal responsibility in the case of rape and ill-health.

But you're right, as horrible as the people who want to force rape victims to carry are, at least they are consistent. People who make exceptions are admitting they really know it's not murder, they just want to punish women
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pinky0926
05/05/18 12:32:26 PM
#116:


Yet another topic with TC just arguing pointlessly with people over hypothetical shit he doesn't remotely care about

another day ending in Y
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tennisdude818
05/05/18 12:33:53 PM
#117:


UnfairRepresent posted...
tennisdude818 posted...

Tax payers shouldnt pay for either. Encouraging single motherhood by subsidizing it leads to greater crime and economic dysfunction.

What evidence do you have for this?

The areas with the highest unwanted teen pregnancy are right wing with strict abortion and anti sex ed laws.

And the parts of Africa where Catholics enforced strict anti-abortion and anti-sex ideals were utterly catastrophic in terms of the damage they did economically, health wise, crimewise.

One of the biggest arguments for abortion period is that pretty much every society that embraces it ends up better off than societies that condem it.


Single motherhood rates exploded since LBJs Great Society. You know why subsidizing single motherhood leads to more of it. Replace single motherhood with clean energy companies.
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Axiom
05/05/18 12:35:41 PM
#118:


Flyover country showing why it's flyover country
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SageHarpuia
05/05/18 12:36:01 PM
#119:


wackyteen posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
My body, my choice, your wallet feminists: You should either be forced to pay for my abortions and birth control, or you should be forced to pay my bills after I give birth.

Conservatives: "not your body, not your choice, but your wallet"

Since when is it the government's job to compensate people for bad luck/poor choices?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/05/18 12:36:18 PM
#120:


pinky0926 posted...
Yet another topic with TC just arguing pointlessly with people over hypothetical shit he doesn't remotely care about

another day ending in Y


Actually no, tc is quite reasonable and is arguing with people who are shitposting.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/05/18 12:38:17 PM
#121:


SageHarpuia posted...
wackyteen posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
?My body, my choice, your wallet? feminists: ?You should either be forced to pay for my abortions and birth control, or you should be forced to pay my bills after I give birth.?

Conservatives: "not your body, not your choice, but your wallet"

Since when is it the government's job to compensate people for bad luck/poor choices?


So abortion is fine so long as it's not paid for by the government/taxpayers right? Pregnant due to bad luck/poor choice? Take responsibility and pay for an abortion yourselves. That's reasonable and perfectly okay, correct?
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pinky0926
05/05/18 12:38:26 PM
#122:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Yet another topic with TC just arguing pointlessly with people over hypothetical shit he doesn't remotely care about

another day ending in Y


Actually no, tc is quite reasonable and is arguing with people who are shitposting.


All he ever does is argue. This is you waiting for UR to give an honest to god opinion about something:
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SageHarpuia
05/05/18 12:40:33 PM
#123:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
wackyteen posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
?My body, my choice, your wallet? feminists: ?You should either be forced to pay for my abortions and birth control, or you should be forced to pay my bills after I give birth.?

Conservatives: "not your body, not your choice, but your wallet"

Since when is it the government's job to compensate people for bad luck/poor choices?


So abortion is fine so long as it's not paid for by the government/taxpayers right? Pregnant due to bad luck/poor choice? Take responsibility and pay for an abortion yourselves. That's reasonable and perfectly okay, correct?

Just because something is cheaper doesn't mean it's ethical.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/05/18 12:44:26 PM
#124:


SageHarpuia posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
wackyteen posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
?My body, my choice, your wallet? feminists: ?You should either be forced to pay for my abortions and birth control, or you should be forced to pay my bills after I give birth.?

Conservatives: "not your body, not your choice, but your wallet"

Since when is it the government's job to compensate people for bad luck/poor choices?


So abortion is fine so long as it's not paid for by the government/taxpayers right? Pregnant due to bad luck/poor choice? Take responsibility and pay for an abortion yourselves. That's reasonable and perfectly okay, correct?

Just because something is cheaper doesn't mean it's ethical.


If that's your answer, I'd like to know what question you mistakenly thought I asked. Would you like to actually answer the question I asked?
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UnfairRepresent
05/05/18 12:44:31 PM
#125:


SageHarpuia posted...

Just because something is cheaper doesn't mean it's ethical.

In this case the cheapest and most ethical option are the same

Which is handy
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CapnMuffin
05/05/18 12:50:57 PM
#126:


However, the measure would not ban abortion after six weeks in all cases -- some exemptions include instances of rape, incest, fetal abnormalities or to save the mothers life.


Seems fair. If you dont want a kid, have responsible sex.
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wackyteen
05/05/18 12:53:16 PM
#127:


CapnMuffin posted...

Seems fair. If you dont want a kid, have responsible sex.

then we should teach responsible sex if we don't want the government to pay for abortions.

Seems fair to me
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smoliske
05/05/18 12:59:19 PM
#128:


more states should follow suit with this
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DifferentialEquation
05/05/18 12:59:41 PM
#129:


wackyteen posted...
CapnMuffin posted...

Seems fair. If you dont want a kid, have responsible sex.

then we should teach responsible sex if we don't want the government to pay for abortions.

Seems fair to me


No one has an issue with strictly fact/science based sex education course. The problem is that in recent years the left has turned sex ed classes into what are essentially Planned Parenthood commercials to try and push kids into the Democratic party.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/05/18 1:07:58 PM
#130:


DifferentialEquation posted...
wackyteen posted...
CapnMuffin posted...

Seems fair. If you don?t want a kid, have responsible sex.

then we should teach responsible sex if we don't want the government to pay for abortions.

Seems fair to me


No one has an issue with strictly fact/science based sex education course. The problem is that in recent years the left has turned sex ed classes into what are essentially Planned Parenthood commercials to try and push kids into the Democratic party.


What does planned parenthood do exactly?
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UnfairRepresent
05/05/18 1:15:37 PM
#131:


DifferentialEquation posted...

No one has an issue with strictly fact/science based sex education course.

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Shuto-uke
05/05/18 1:18:43 PM
#132:


KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Im so pissed off what the alt right has done to Iowa.


So according to this "conservatives" the heart stops beating when a baby is born? Because that is the exact moment they stop giving a fuck
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MedzXVIII
05/05/18 1:24:15 PM
#134:


If it has a heart beat it is alive
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NinjaBreakfast
05/05/18 1:26:26 PM
#135:


s m a l l

g o v e r n m e n t
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Smallville
05/05/18 1:26:39 PM
#136:


Shuto-uke posted...
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Im so pissed off what the alt right has done to Iowa.


So according to this "conservatives" the heart stops beating when a baby is born? Because that is the exact moment they stop giving a fuck

yeah exactly couldn't have said it better myself george carlin--- "pre born you're good, pre school you're fucked"
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NinjaBreakfast
05/05/18 1:28:51 PM
#137:


CapnMuffin posted...
However, the measure would not ban abortion after six weeks in all cases -- some exemptions include instances of rape, incest, fetal abnormalities or to save the mothers life.


Seems fair. If you dont want a kid, have responsible sex.

"life is sacred....unless you're raped at which point I think this supposedly precious life deserves to be aborted!"

Hypocrisy of the "pro life" crew
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ThePieReborn
05/05/18 1:33:53 PM
#138:


Wow, this spiraled out of control.
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Kalavinka
05/05/18 1:43:10 PM
#139:


DifferentialEquation posted...
However, with the way liberals have been trying to gun grab lately, I'll support any abortion ban purely as a retaliatory measure.


Either this is a really dedicated troll account, or you're just as boneheaded as I suspect.

Spite is the absolute dumbest reason to do anything, let alone something with far-reaching political consequences.
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CapnMuffin
05/05/18 1:44:29 PM
#140:


NinjaBreakfast posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
However, the measure would not ban abortion after six weeks in all cases -- some exemptions include instances of rape, incest, fetal abnormalities or to save the mothers life.


Seems fair. If you dont want a kid, have responsible sex.

"life is sacred....unless you're raped at which point I think this supposedly precious life deserves to be aborted!"

Hypocrisy of the "pro life" crew

I neither think nor said any of those things. It was an interesting reveal into how you immediately perceive people though.
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mustachedmystic
05/05/18 1:44:54 PM
#141:


Kalavinka posted...
Either this is a really dedicated troll account, or you're just as boneheaded as I suspect.


I think it's both.
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ultimate reaver
05/05/18 1:45:55 PM
#142:


Kalavinka posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
However, with the way liberals have been trying to gun grab lately, I'll support any abortion ban purely as a retaliatory measure.


Either this is a really dedicated troll account, or you're just as boneheaded as I suspect.

Spite is the absolute dumbest reason to do anything, let alone something with far-reaching political consequences.


100% a troll account, dont feed
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Axiom
05/05/18 1:47:02 PM
#143:


NinjaBreakfast posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
However, the measure would not ban abortion after six weeks in all cases -- some exemptions include instances of rape, incest, fetal abnormalities or to save the mothers life.


Seems fair. If you dont want a kid, have responsible sex.

"life is sacred....unless you're raped at which point I think this supposedly precious life deserves to be aborted!"

Hypocrisy of the "pro life" crew

Pro lifers are inherently hypocritical. They use emotional bleeding heart tactics they claim to hate while not giving a shit about the woman or the child when it's born
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UnfairRepresent
05/05/18 1:51:16 PM
#144:


Axiom posted...
NinjaBreakfast posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
However, the measure would not ban abortion after six weeks in all cases -- some exemptions include instances of rape, incest, fetal abnormalities or to save the mothers life.


Seems fair. If you dont want a kid, have responsible sex.

"life is sacred....unless you're raped at which point I think this supposedly precious life deserves to be aborted!"

Hypocrisy of the "pro life" crew

Pro lifers are inherently hypocritical. They use emotional bleeding heart tactics they claim to hate while not giving a shit about the woman or the child when it's born

This is weak logic

You can support the right to life without supporting government intervention
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UnfairRepresent
05/05/18 4:29:39 PM
#145:


And he was never seen again
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ACHEEKSMALLOY
05/05/18 4:31:25 PM
#146:


Maybe don't go around fucking anything that moves without protection
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butthole666
05/05/18 4:33:50 PM
#147:


UnfairRepresent posted...
If your mother had aborted you, you wouldn't exist today.

God, fuck off with this shit
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Axiom
05/05/18 4:35:27 PM
#148:


butthole666 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
If your mother had aborted you, you wouldn't exist today.

God, fuck off with this shit

He always adds dumb shit to his op just to provoke people into arguing with him
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coderevolution
05/05/18 4:36:05 PM
#149:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...


There should be harsh punishments for people that have kids that they can't take care of, with capital punishment potentially being an option for repeat offenders.

The fuck?


I know right?

"Abortion is murder and the child has the right to life, so you have to have it, but if you don't take care of it perfectly, you forfeit your own right to life and will be murdered by the government."

I know DE gonna DE, but that level of shitposting should get him a few days of warned status imo.


We already have capital punishment for other crimes. I don't want to take away anyone's right to due process or a fair trial either.


^backpedaling


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UnfairRepresent
05/05/18 4:41:09 PM
#150:


Axiom posted...
butthole666 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
If your mother had aborted you, you wouldn't exist today.

God, fuck off with this shit

He always adds dumb shit to his op just to provoke people into arguing with him

I haven't responded to anyone who has answered that question

And he was never seen again
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Axiom
05/05/18 4:51:36 PM
#151:


UnfairRepresent posted...
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