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Vindris_SNH posted...

The fact is, we have incomplete or completely lacking information related to what you're saying here, because studies haven't taken into account the factors necessary to figure this stuff out. That's what I've been suggesting the entire thread. We need studies that take into account all the critical factors before everyone starts coming out and saying spanking should never be used.

The fact is, we don't need those studies, because there's nothing that suggests that spanking would ever be necessary. There is evidence that people are doing it wrong, and there's evidence that children are suffering for it.
And your attempt to justify your stance with numbers is honestly so bad it doesn't warrant a serious response. This is why I hope that you're not being sincere in your line of reasoning.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

jborgan posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

Don't bother with Locke. He's trying to misrepresent your position by using more extreme language and taking shots at your family. Personally if I were you and he said that in front of my face I'd show 'em what a beating actually is.

No you wouldn't.

6'3, jacked, fighting experience from defending younger sister from creeps and American tourists for years.

Try me.

Lighten up Francis.
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Th3Truth posted...

Howl posted...

There has actually been a worldwide case study of spanking with conclusive results that it is not harmful. Source? 80% of parents in the world spank their children. That's 6.08 billion people in the world. Logically if spanking was a harmful practice as stated there would be much higher instances of mental illness than we see. The data this provides is much more useful than small studies of 1000 children. It is fully conclusive and there is absolutely no way to refute it.

Vindris_SNH posted...

Interesting...

https://goo.gl/MitWu3

70% of Americans agree spanking is sometimes necessary to discipline a child.

https://www.nami.org/learn-more/mental-health-by-the-numbers

18.5% of Americans experience mental health issues within a given year (we're not even talking about permanent mental health issues, this covers a huge spectrum).

If 70% of Americans use spanking and 18.5% of Americans experience mental health issues... Well, even if you assume that this 18.5% are all because of spanking... Seems to suggest that spanking isn't so risky after all.

This is why you aren't scientists. In the past 99% of people had sex with children (and a great deal of those billions in that 80% today still do) and obviously the majority of people still didn't become ruined or permanently damaged. Guess that means you guys think sex with children isn't a bad thing.

Wtf was this post even?? 99% of people had sex with children? This is the type of rationalizing people have to do to consider spanking as being abuse.
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Howl posted...

There has actually been a worldwide case study of spanking with conclusive results that it is not harmful. Source? 80% of parents in the world spank their children. That's 6.08 billion people in the world. Logically if spanking was a harmful practice as stated there would be much higher instances of mental illness than we see. The data this provides is much more useful than small studies of 1000 children. It is fully conclusive and there is absolutely no way to refute it.

My only contribution to this topic is to laugh at this post.

Lol.
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Asherlee10 posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

Spanking is the lowest form of physical punishment too. People ITT treating it like it's some traumatizing event are people that go fetal in life when they are faced with an issue.

Why are you thinking in such dichotomous terms? As long as physical punishment doesn't put someone in the fetal position, it's okay then?

That's not good, man. That's how we breed mental health issues.

You're responding to someone who spends his whole life trolling
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Asherlee10 posted...

COVxy posted...

Howl posted...

There has actually been a worldwide case study of spanking with conclusive results that it is not harmful. Source? 80% of parents in the world spank their children. That's 6.08 billion people in the world. Logically if spanking was a harmful practice as stated there would be much higher instances of mental illness than we see. The data this provides is much more useful than small studies of 1000 children. It is fully conclusive and there is absolutely no way to refute it.

My only contribution to this topic is to laugh at this post.

Lol.

I managed to miss this one!

Holy shit.

What's your refutation of it since it's so laughable?
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Vindris, we don't agree on every issue, but it's safe to say that you can ignore people simply attacking you. For what it's worth, minus some comments about people's intelligence, I'm happy to see you responding in such a positive manner.

Respond only to those providing a means of discussion. I think scar is the only one really doing that right now.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Howl posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

COVxy posted...

Howl posted...

There has actually been a worldwide case study of spanking with conclusive results that it is not harmful. Source? 80% of parents in the world spank their children. That's 6.08 billion people in the world. Logically if spanking was a harmful practice as stated there would be much higher instances of mental illness than we see. The data this provides is much more useful than small studies of 1000 children. It is fully conclusive and there is absolutely no way to refute it.

My only contribution to this topic is to laugh at this post.

Lol.

I managed to miss this one!

Holy shit.

What's your refutation of it since it's so laughable?

Wait. Are you being serious right now?

You clearly don't have one.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Howl posted...

You clearly don't have one.

You can't be serious. It's so silly, I'm not sure I believe that you are being sincere.

So you, said...

There has actually been a worldwide case study of spanking with conclusive results that it is not harmful. Source? 80% of parents in the world spank their children. That's 6.08 billion people in the world. Logically if spanking was a harmful practice as stated there would be much higher instances of mental illness than we see. The data this provides is much more useful than small studies of 1000 children. It is fully conclusive and there is absolutely no way to refute it.

1. The entire population of the world was not given a survey for a case study on spanking. That's so absurd.
2. Your point hinges on something being correct and valid because a certain percentage of people do it (doesn't work that way). A large portion of the population of the U.S. used to smoke heavily and even stated that it was healthy. That doesn't mean it was healthy or 'okay' to do.
3. We do have wide-spread mental health issues. Where have you been?

Not to mention he's saying every person on the planet is a parent, even children and babies
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Asherlee10 posted...

Howl posted...

You clearly don't have one.

You can't be serious. It's so silly, I'm not sure I believe that you are being sincere.

So you, said...

There has actually been a worldwide case study of spanking with conclusive results that it is not harmful. Source? 80% of parents in the world spank their children. That's 6.08 billion people in the world. Logically if spanking was a harmful practice as stated there would be much higher instances of mental illness than we see. The data this provides is much more useful than small studies of 1000 children. It is fully conclusive and there is absolutely no way to refute it.

1. The entire population of the world was not given a survey for a case study on spanking. That's so absurd.
2. Your point hinges on something being correct and valid because a certain percentage of people do it (doesn't work that way). A large portion of the population of the U.S. used to smoke heavily and even stated that it was healthy. That doesn't mean it was healthy or 'okay' to do.
3. We do have wide-spread mental health issues. Where have you been?

1. They have done surveys about spanking in every modern country that's where they get the data.
2. There is actual data to prove that smoking has a causal relationship to all kinds of negative side effects. The same is not true with spanking at all. They aren't comparable. For your point to be valid there would have to be data that suggested that the behavior of so many people was actually the cause of harmful side effects, that data does not exist.
3. Logically if spanking were causal to the issues of mental health issues, there would be much higher instances than what we see.

When you learn to use logic one day, try again. Until then just accept that I'm smarter than you and that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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Howl posted...

When you learn to use logic one day, try again. Until then just accept that I'm smarter than you and that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

lmfao

good lord I'm scared for your child
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DoGCyN posted...

Respond only to those providing a means of discussion. I think scar is the only one really doing that right now.

Thanks for the acknowledgment, but I don't see how repeatedly emphasizing that "anyone with a brain has to agree with me" amounts to "responding in such a positive manner". There has been plenty of civil discussion here from other users.
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scar the 1 posted...

DoGCyN posted...

Respond only to those providing a means of discussion. I think scar is the only one really doing that right now.

Thanks for the acknowledgment, but I don't see how repeatedly emphasizing that "anyone with a brain has to agree with me" amounts to "responding in such a positive manner". There has been plenty of civil discussion here from other users.

Fair enough. There has also been a lot of trolling. I just think the trolls should be ignored, but they are also getting responses unfortunately.
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scar the 1 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

The fact is, we have incomplete or completely lacking information related to what you're saying here, because studies haven't taken into account the factors necessary to figure this stuff out. That's what I've been suggesting the entire thread. We need studies that take into account all the critical factors before everyone starts coming out and saying spanking should never be used.

The fact is, we don't need those studies, because there's nothing that suggests that spanking would ever be necessary. There is evidence that people are doing it wrong, and there's evidence that children are suffering for it.
And your attempt to justify your stance with numbers is honestly so bad it doesn't warrant a serious response. This is why I hope that you're not being sincere in your line of reasoning.

I already previously addressed every point you just made. I dont know what new information I can give you. Youre bringing up points Ive already refuted.

I think Ive presented my case very clearly in this thread, and nothing new from anyone in the last few pages has been able to legitimately shut down my arguments.

To summarize my main point in this thread... Spanking studies fail to consider that spanking itself may not be the issue, but rather the misuse of spanking as a disciplinary tool could be what is causing an increased chance of mental health issues in people who were spanked. Therefore, one cannot logically conclude that spanking is intrinsically bad.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

I think Ive presented my case very clearly in this thread, and nothing new from anyone in the last few pages has been able to legitimately shut down my arguments.

Well of course not, because your entire argument hinges on a personal belief founded on zeal and nothing else. What is there to strike down?
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Vindris_SNH posted...

This is a case where important information was truly not included in the study. I've explained why. Studies sometimes don't have perfectly clear answers, but remain mostly accurate in their conclusions, because the factors not accounted for wouldn't cause much change in the results. However, in this case, the factors I mentioned are actually critical factors that play a huge part in results of these studies. The studies effectively conclude that spanking is so risky that it should never be used, but if the factors I've been listing throughout this thread were accounted for, they could change the conclusions of these studies drastically.

If you understand what I'm saying, then why do you keep insisting that you have scientific evidence which proves as a virtual fact that I shouldn't use spanking as a disciplinary tool? Because I have proven that you don't. No one in this thread who has read and understood what I've written would continue to say, "Spanking should never be used".

See, now you're making up shit. I've already said we've moved beyond the scientific studies. Everybody in this topic sees how asinine your logic is. We're not talking about studies now. We're talking about you as a person and how stupid your logic sounds beyond the conceded points. When people have already offered tons of rebuttals and you keep going and start posting pictures of your entire family, I really really have to start questioning your sanity and determination to keep going as if you're an embodiment of r/iamverysmart.

Vindris_SNH posted...

I don't ever want to beat my children. If you can't at least admit there is a distinction between "beating" and "spanking", then you are clearly close-minded and uninterested in having an intelligent discussion. Beating suggests something more than what I'm referring to when I'm talking about spanking, and you're using it to demonize my position. You can admit that or not, I don't really care, but I know what you're doing, and so does everyone else reading this thread.

This is your personal opinion that you are once again trying to pass off as facts. You've admit you have a theory and you've admit that you will test it.

I don't care what you call it. Physical abuse is not necessary because there's other forms. As I said earlier in the topic. If you want to beat your kids like your shitty parents did to you, to the point you're here arguing so vehemently that it's actually disturbing, then go ahead.

Just know we all know you're a kid beater and have you tagged as such, whatever that means to you in your book.

TheCurseX2 posted...

Don't bother with Locke. He's trying to misrepresent your position by using more extreme language and taking shots at your family. Personally if I were you and he said that in front of my face I'd show 'em what a beating actually is.

Shut the fuck up. Your ass will be in jail looking at assault charges.
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LockeMonster posted...

Shut the fuck up. Your ass will be in jail looking at assault charges.

He wouldn't even do anything lol

guy is all talk
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LockeMonster posted...

Shut the fuck up. Your ass will be in jail looking at assault charges.

Make me shut the fuck up, little man. I'd love to see you move that sponge body into an offensive stance and throw the first knuckle. Oh man, you'd get the lesson your daddy should've given you at age 7.
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Konflikt posted...

LockeMonster posted...

Shut the fuck up. Your ass will be in jail looking at assault charges.

He wouldn't even do anything lol

guy is all talk

Word.

TheCurseX2 posted...

LockeMonster posted...

Shut the fuck up. Your ass will be in jail looking at assault charges.

Make me shut the fuck up, little man. I'd love to see you move that sponge body into an offensive stance and throw the first knuckle. Oh man, you'd get the lesson your daddy should've given you at age 7.

I literally just said I wouldn't even give someone this unstable the time of day for a fight. I'll let you hit me while my NYPD friends are watching and then have you arrested.
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Book a boxing ring in a gym. We'll see how well you can throw hands.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

Book a boxing ring in a gym. We'll see how well you can throw hands.

But I'm not trying to throw hands. I'm trying to teach you that if you fuck up people, there's consequences, like being arrested and ruining your life with felony charges fam.

I would never enter the ring with someone like you. Not because I would win or lose, but because I have a feeling you're the type that goes straight for the balls.
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You don't have to worry about me going for the balls from the sounds of it.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

You don't have to worry about me going for the balls from the sounds of it.

LMFAO at all that thoughness going down the drain when faced with the NYPD and felony charges.
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I'm offering a sanctioned way of engaging in a fight with me. Think of how much of a legend you could be on CE if you were the guy to slay the dragon. I only ask that whichever place you contact or decide on has the owner make a contract up that you sign for when I knock your brain into the next dimension.

I want to see what you can do. Square up and stop cowering like a little boy behind mommy.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

I'm offering a sanctioned way of engaging in a fight with me. Think of how much of a legend you could be on CE if you were the guy to slay the dragon. I only ask that whichever place you contact or decide on has the owner make a contract up that you sign for when I knock your brain into the next dimension.

I want to see what you can do. Square up and stop cowering like a little boy behind mommy.

Bro, I'm not you. You know, the type where if this post was repeated to you from me, your blood would boil and you would try to pummel me. I have zero reason to fight you, and couldn't care less what you think or say. This is actually hilarious, and really sad if you aren't really trolling.

Using violence to solve anything is usually the feature of the often uneducated and violent types, stuck in a cycle because their own parents beat them.
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LockeMonster posted...

Using violence to solve anything is usually the feature of the often uneducated and violent types, stuck in a cycle because their own parents beat them.

This is pussy talk. Violence is a necessary way of life and the most effective teacher you can give someone. It's the ultimate way of saying, "No, not going to happen." If you had some guy going up and being handsy with your girl, what do you do? Just sit there and let it happen while stammering out in your timid voice, "I...I'll get the NYPD and press charges!" ? When you're backed into a corner you cover up and hope the big bad man goes away, when I'm backed into a corner I break jaws and evade the law.

Stop being such a millennial and learn to throw a punch.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

LockeMonster posted...

Using violence to solve anything is usually the feature of the often uneducated and violent types, stuck in a cycle because their own parents beat them.

This is pussy talk. Violence is a necessary way of life and the most effective teacher you can give someone. It's the ultimate way of saying, "No, not going to happen." If you had some guy going up and being handsy with your girl, what do you do? Just sit there and let it happen while stammering out in your timid voice, "I...I'll get the NYPD and press charges!" ? When you're backed into a corner you cover up and hope the big bad man goes away, when I'm backed into a corner I break jaws and evade the law.

Stop being such a millennial and learn to throw a punch.

Ok tough guy. Whatever you say.
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Thread completely derailed. Wow.
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The last guy that said "shut the fuck up" to me in public was on a Snack Pack diet for three months at least. Depending on how good his dentist was, maybe a year.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

The last guy that said "shut the fuck up" to me in public was on a Snack Pack diet for three months at least. Depending on how good his dentist was, maybe a year.

You were spanked as a child, weren't you?
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TheCurseX2 posted...

The last guy that said "shut the fuck up" to me in public was on a Snack Pack diet for three months at least. Depending on how good his dentist was, maybe a year.

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Asherlee10 posted...

Howl posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Howl posted...

You clearly don't have one.

You can't be serious. It's so silly, I'm not sure I believe that you are being sincere.

So you, said...

There has actually been a worldwide case study of spanking with conclusive results that it is not harmful. Source? 80% of parents in the world spank their children. That's 6.08 billion people in the world. Logically if spanking was a harmful practice as stated there would be much higher instances of mental illness than we see. The data this provides is much more useful than small studies of 1000 children. It is fully conclusive and there is absolutely no way to refute it.

1. The entire population of the world was not given a survey for a case study on spanking. That's so absurd.
2. Your point hinges on something being correct and valid because a certain percentage of people do it (doesn't work that way). A large portion of the population of the U.S. used to smoke heavily and even stated that it was healthy. That doesn't mean it was healthy or 'okay' to do.
3. We do have wide-spread mental health issues. Where have you been?

1. They have done surveys about spanking in every modern country that's where they get the data.
2. There is actual data to prove that smoking has a causal relationship to all kinds of negative side effects. The same is not true with spanking at all. They aren't comparable. For your point to be valid there would have to be data that suggested that the behavior of so many people was actually the cause of harmful side effects, that data does not exist.
3. Logically if spanking were causal to the issues of mental health issues, there would be much higher instances than what we see.

When you learn to use logic one day, try again. Until then just accept that I'm smarter than you and that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

1. Not every person on the planet is a parent - come on man. That's silly. Not to mention not even every parent on the planet would be surveyed. So, just to START your premise is bunk. We could end it right there and that would be enough.
2. Actually a lot of the studies that were posted in this topic setup a very strong causal link between mental health issues and physical punishment.
3. How much higher do you think it needs to be? We already have wide-spread mental health issues. Physically striking children contributes to that factor. This is kind of a fucking 'duh' moment.

When you learn to use logic one day, try again. Until then just accept that I'm smarter than you and that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Forgot to respond to this: Hahahaha, whatever you think man. So, I guess this is this signature that you are trolling people.

1. That's not how surveys work. They don't need to interview every person to determine the percentage of people in a given area. I'm not surprised that I have to educate you about how surveys work based on your previous posts.

2. Alot of studies that are irrelevant because as logic proves the largest study which is of 80 percent of the world shows no causal link.

3. Part 2 answers this. There would need to be a causal relationship shown from the massive sample size that already exists. No further study on this subject is required.

Go back to High School. It's dull speaking to you.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

The last guy that said "shut the fuck up" to me in public was on a Snack Pack diet for three months at least. Depending on how good his dentist was, maybe a year.

You were spanked as a child, weren't you?

XmfD
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Howl posted...

1. That's not how surveys work. They don't need to interview every person to determine the percentage of people in a given area. I'm not surprised that I have to educate you about how surveys work based on your previous posts.

So you know surveys are in fact not a good method of gathering data of a massive sample size yet you're babbling on about how you swear the vast majority of parents on the planet spank their children

Again; I seriously fear for your child.
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Let's all hope Howl is trolling.
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Konflikt posted...

Howl posted...

1. That's not how surveys work. They don't need to interview every person to determine the percentage of people in a given area. I'm not surprised that I have to educate you about how surveys work based on your previous posts.

So you know surveys are in fact not a good method of gathering data of a massive sample size yet you're babbling on about how you swear the vast majority of parents on the planet spank their children

Again; I seriously fear for your child.

Why do you fear for his child? Seems odd to put your care into something that you'll never experience.
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I'm actually impressed that it took you five hours to come up with that one
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That's what happens when you have a social life.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

That's what happens when you have a social life.

His argument is that he's more intelligent than you because he spends more time on CE. Lol
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TheCurseX2 posted...

That's what happens when you have a social life.

People that physically threaten other people on the internet don't have social lives.
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Howl posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

That's what happens when you have a social life.

His argument is that he's more intelligent than you because he spends more time on CE. Lol

Hey man, don't shame him. How else can he get some sweet e-pussy from the e-gurlz here?
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Howl posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

That's what happens when you have a social life.

His argument is that he's more intelligent than you because he spends more time on CE. Lol

That's not my argument. I'm actually implying he's really slow because he stared at his screen trying to come up with something and that was his result. And we all know you don't have a social life
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Nothing screams "social life" like threatening to fight people on GameFAQs all day long on a Monday
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