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Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 10:36:54 AM #152:	Asherlee10 posted... hockeybub89 posted... You'd think people would celebrate at the scientific findings of "Hey you don't need to hit small children" not complain and make excuses. I don't get it either. Seeing some of the posts in this topic are really disheartening. No science has ever proved that spanking, when used properly, is harmful to kids. Please link me a study that accounted for why children were spanked, how hard they were spanked, how many times hey were spanked, if the parent spanked them out of anger, if the child was aware they were doing something wrong before they were spanked, if they were warned before they were spanked...... the list goes on. There are too many variables that are impossible for any study to measure. Therefore, no study on spanking will ever produce meaningful results, and no study will ever be able to claim that, without any doubt, all spanking is always bad. The people in this thread claiming that science has proved spanking is bad are the kinds of people that have no idea how to scrutinize and think for themselves. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901108004] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>You'd think people would celebrate at the scientific findings of "Hey you don't need to hit small children" not complain and make excuses.</quote> I don't get it either. Seeing some of the posts in this topic are really disheartening.</quote> No science has ever proved that spanking, when used properly, is harmful to kids. Please link me a study that accounted for why children were spanked, how hard they were spanked, how many times hey were spanked, if the parent spanked them out of anger, if the child was aware they were doing something wrong before they were spanked, if they were warned before they were spanked...... the list goes on. There are too many variables that are impossible for any study to measure. Therefore, no study on spanking will ever produce meaningful results, and no study will ever be able to claim that, without any doubt, all spanking is always bad. The people in this thread claiming that science has proved spanking is bad are the kinds of people that have no idea how to scrutinize and think for themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrChuckleteeth 05/10/18 10:38:56 AM #153:	My parents ripped my fingernails off and I turned out just fine - checkmate atheists <cite>MrChuckleteeth posted [p:901108096] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote>My parents ripped my fingernails off and I turned out just fine - checkmate atheists</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wutobliteration 05/10/18 10:43:27 AM #154:	DoctorVader You clearly have a bias going against the West. Oh wow, how unthinkable! Seeing someone who doesn't know the culture of another country and yet insults said culture remains adamant about it. Doesn't that so not make you kinda pissed at their ignorance? What do you expect someone like me to feel? It's like an Asian coming to America and wondering out loud, 'why are all you crazy people bathing in the sun and exposing yourself to radiation and skin cancer?' <cite>Wutobliteration posted [p:901108269] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader</cite> <quote>You clearly have a bias going against the West.</quote> Oh wow, how unthinkable! Seeing someone who doesn't know the culture of another country and yet insults said culture remains adamant about it. Doesn't that so not make you kinda pissed at their ignorance? What do you expect someone like me to feel? It's like an Asian coming to America and wondering out loud, 'why are all you crazy people bathing in the sun and exposing yourself to radiation and skin cancer?'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 05/10/18 10:44:20 AM #155:	Wutobliteration posted... DoctorVader Oh boy, I'm not even gonna get started on the issues with Singapore and how education quality isn't as important as you might think it is. because you don't even know Singapore. LMFAO. Yeah bro. You've lost it. Studies state the opposite of everything you're saying. I'm sorry. Science trumps your personal feelings. because basing your argument solely on some unknown statistic you found and a statistic that has nothing to even do with corporal punishment yet you're somehow relating it to that like you somehow related from goodness knows where, suicide and honor killings, IS VERY logical and reasonable indeed. And basing that on a country you otherwise don't know a crap about is far more reliable than someone who actually lives in said country and region. What unknown statistics? Statistics on spanking are all over the internet. And your excellent education system obviously did not give you the comprehension skills needed to even understand what I'm saying. You're taking everything completely wrong and coming off as a damn mess in the process. Calm down and collect yourself. The culture of Asian countries is built on honor. Everything stems from it. When a person kills himself because he couldn't get top scores, it's because of honor and shame from his family. No, I'm not saying all suicide in the world is from that or anything ridiculous like you or that other guy are taking. These are just examples of how honor affects things. The work culture also stems from that. Things like being unable to say no and respect and whatnot all comes from that. Go take some sociology and psychology courses dude. You've already admit you have very little experience outside Singapore, which honestly I'll admit, is not even that bad. My points however all still stand. --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:901108309] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wutobliteration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader</cite><quote> Oh boy, I'm not even gonna get started on the issues with Singapore and how education quality isn't as important as you might think it is.</quote> because you don't even know Singapore. <quote> LMFAO. Yeah bro. You've lost it. Studies state the opposite of everything you're saying. I'm sorry. Science trumps your personal feelings.</quote> because basing your argument solely on some unknown statistic you found and a statistic that has nothing to even do with corporal punishment yet you're somehow relating it to that like you somehow related from goodness knows where, suicide and honor killings, IS VERY logical and reasonable indeed. And basing that on a country you otherwise don't know a crap about is far more reliable than someone who actually lives in said country and region.</quote> What unknown statistics? Statistics on spanking are all over the internet. And your excellent education system obviously did not give you the comprehension skills needed to even understand what I'm saying. You're taking everything completely wrong and coming off as a damn mess in the process. Calm down and collect yourself. The culture of Asian countries is built on honor. Everything stems from it. When a person kills himself because he couldn't get top scores, it's because of honor and shame from his family. No, I'm not saying all suicide in the world is from that or anything ridiculous like you or that other guy are taking. These are just examples of how honor affects things. The work culture also stems from that. Things like being unable to say no and respect and whatnot all comes from that. Go take some sociology and psychology courses dude. You've already admit you have very little experience outside Singapore, which honestly I'll admit, is not even that bad. My points however all still stand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 05/10/18 10:45:29 AM #156:	Wutobliteration posted... DoctorVader You clearly have a bias going against the West. Oh wow, how unthinkable! Seeing someone who doesn't know the culture of another country and yet insults said culture remains adamant about it. Doesn't that so not make you kinda pissed at their ignorance? What do you expect someone like me to feel? It's like an Asian coming to America and wondering out loud, 'why are all you crazy people bathing in the sun and exposing yourself to radiation and skin cancer?' I grew up in a town pretty much surrounded by Chinese and Korean people. Yes you have a bias. You sound embarrassing and ignorant by doing the "you Westerners" crap. --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:901108362] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wutobliteration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader</cite> <quote>You clearly have a bias going against the West.</quote> Oh wow, how unthinkable! Seeing someone who doesn't know the culture of another country and yet insults said culture remains adamant about it. Doesn't that so not make you kinda pissed at their ignorance? What do you expect someone like me to feel? It's like an Asian coming to America and wondering out loud, 'why are all you crazy people bathing in the sun and exposing yourself to radiation and skin cancer?'</quote> I grew up in a town pretty much surrounded by Chinese and Korean people. Yes you have a bias. You sound embarrassing and ignorant by doing the "you Westerners" crap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/10/18 10:45:38 AM #157:	Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... hockeybub89 posted... You'd think people would celebrate at the scientific findings of "Hey you don't need to hit small children" not complain and make excuses. I don't get it either. Seeing some of the posts in this topic are really disheartening. No science has ever proved that spanking, when used properly, is harmful to kids. Please link me a study that accounted for why children were spanked, how hard they were spanked, how many times hey were spanked, if the parent spanked them out of anger, if the child was aware they were doing something wrong before they were spanked, if they were warned before they were spanked...... the list goes on. There are too many variables that are impossible for any study to measure. Therefore, no study on spanking will ever produce meaningful results, and no study will ever be able to claim that, without any doubt, all spanking is always bad. The people in this thread claiming that science has proved spanking is bad are the kinds of people that have no idea how to scrutinize and think for themselves. Whatever helps you feel better at night after beating your kids --- Oda break tracker 2018- 3 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:901108373] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>You'd think people would celebrate at the scientific findings of "Hey you don't need to hit small children" not complain and make excuses.</quote> I don't get it either. Seeing some of the posts in this topic are really disheartening.</quote> No science has ever proved that spanking, when used properly, is harmful to kids. Please link me a study that accounted for why children were spanked, how hard they were spanked, how many times hey were spanked, if the parent spanked them out of anger, if the child was aware they were doing something wrong before they were spanked, if they were warned before they were spanked...... the list goes on. There are too many variables that are impossible for any study to measure. Therefore, no study on spanking will ever produce meaningful results, and no study will ever be able to claim that, without any doubt, all spanking is always bad. The people in this thread claiming that science has proved spanking is bad are the kinds of people that have no idea how to scrutinize and think for themselves.</quote> Whatever helps you feel better at night after beating your kids</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 10:51:38 AM #158:	DoctorVader posted... What unknown statistics? Statistics on spanking are all over the internet. No study has ever concluded that spanking is always bad. No study on spanking has even defined proper spanking or made a clear distinction between spanking being used properly or improperly, because these studies are designed to demonize spanking in the first place. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901108616] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>What unknown statistics? Statistics on spanking are all over the internet.</quote> No study has ever concluded that spanking is always bad. No study on spanking has even defined proper spanking or made a clear distinction between spanking being used properly or improperly, because these studies are designed to demonize spanking in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 10:52:52 AM #159:	voldothegr8 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... hockeybub89 posted... You'd think people would celebrate at the scientific findings of "Hey you don't need to hit small children" not complain and make excuses. I don't get it either. Seeing some of the posts in this topic are really disheartening. No science has ever proved that spanking, when used properly, is harmful to kids. Please link me a study that accounted for why children were spanked, how hard they were spanked, how many times hey were spanked, if the parent spanked them out of anger, if the child was aware they were doing something wrong before they were spanked, if they were warned before they were spanked...... the list goes on. There are too many variables that are impossible for any study to measure. Therefore, no study on spanking will ever produce meaningful results, and no study will ever be able to claim that, without any doubt, all spanking is always bad. The people in this thread claiming that science has proved spanking is bad are the kinds of people that have no idea how to scrutinize and think for themselves. Whatever helps you feel better at night after beating your kids Your response has no purpose other than to insult me. Do you have an actual argument to counter the points I brought up? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901108668] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>You'd think people would celebrate at the scientific findings of "Hey you don't need to hit small children" not complain and make excuses.</quote> I don't get it either. Seeing some of the posts in this topic are really disheartening.</quote> No science has ever proved that spanking, when used properly, is harmful to kids. Please link me a study that accounted for why children were spanked, how hard they were spanked, how many times hey were spanked, if the parent spanked them out of anger, if the child was aware they were doing something wrong before they were spanked, if they were warned before they were spanked...... the list goes on. There are too many variables that are impossible for any study to measure. Therefore, no study on spanking will ever produce meaningful results, and no study will ever be able to claim that, without any doubt, all spanking is always bad. The people in this thread claiming that science has proved spanking is bad are the kinds of people that have no idea how to scrutinize and think for themselves.</quote> Whatever helps you feel better at night after beating your kids</quote> Your response has no purpose other than to insult me. Do you have an actual argument to counter the points I brought up?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 05/10/18 10:54:46 AM #160:	Vindris_SNH posted... DoctorVader posted... What unknown statistics? Statistics on spanking are all over the internet. No study has ever concluded that spanking is always bad. No study on spanking has even defined proper spanking or made a clear distinction between spanking being used properly or improperly, because these studies are designed to demonize spanking in the first place. There's no study that has ever concluded that smoking is bad if you stand on one leg while thinking happy thoughts and are humming the Friends theme. That's how ridiculous you sound right now. --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:901108768] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>What unknown statistics? Statistics on spanking are all over the internet.</quote> No study has ever concluded that spanking is always bad. No study on spanking has even defined proper spanking or made a clear distinction between spanking being used properly or improperly, because these studies are designed to demonize spanking in the first place.</quote> There's no study that has ever concluded that smoking is bad if you stand on one leg while thinking happy thoughts and are humming the Friends theme. That's how ridiculous you sound right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 10:58:34 AM #161:	DoctorVader posted... Vindris_SNH posted... DoctorVader posted... What unknown statistics? Statistics on spanking are all over the internet. No study has ever concluded that spanking is always bad. No study on spanking has even defined proper spanking or made a clear distinction between spanking being used properly or improperly, because these studies are designed to demonize spanking in the first place. There's no study that has ever concluded that smoking is bad if you stand on one leg while thinking happy thoughts and are humming the Friends theme. That's how ridiculous you sound right now. I sound ridiculous to you because you are obstinate. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901108933] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>What unknown statistics? Statistics on spanking are all over the internet.</quote> No study has ever concluded that spanking is always bad. No study on spanking has even defined proper spanking or made a clear distinction between spanking being used properly or improperly, because these studies are designed to demonize spanking in the first place.</quote> There's no study that has ever concluded that smoking is bad if you stand on one leg while thinking happy thoughts and are humming the Friends theme. That's how ridiculous you sound right now.</quote> I sound ridiculous to you because you are obstinate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/10/18 10:59:36 AM #162:	Vindris_SNH posted... voldothegr8 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... hockeybub89 posted... You'd think people would celebrate at the scientific findings of "Hey you don't need to hit small children" not complain and make excuses. I don't get it either. Seeing some of the posts in this topic are really disheartening. No science has ever proved that spanking, when used properly, is harmful to kids. Please link me a study that accounted for why children were spanked, how hard they were spanked, how many times hey were spanked, if the parent spanked them out of anger, if the child was aware they were doing something wrong before they were spanked, if they were warned before they were spanked...... the list goes on. There are too many variables that are impossible for any study to measure. Therefore, no study on spanking will ever produce meaningful results, and no study will ever be able to claim that, without any doubt, all spanking is always bad. The people in this thread claiming that science has proved spanking is bad are the kinds of people that have no idea how to scrutinize and think for themselves. Whatever helps you feel better at night after beating your kids Your response has no purpose other than to insult me. Do you have an actual argument to counter the points I brought up? How is that an insult? You're literally defending kid beating. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 3 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:901108974] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>You'd think people would celebrate at the scientific findings of "Hey you don't need to hit small children" not complain and make excuses.</quote> I don't get it either. Seeing some of the posts in this topic are really disheartening.</quote> No science has ever proved that spanking, when used properly, is harmful to kids. Please link me a study that accounted for why children were spanked, how hard they were spanked, how many times hey were spanked, if the parent spanked them out of anger, if the child was aware they were doing something wrong before they were spanked, if they were warned before they were spanked...... the list goes on. There are too many variables that are impossible for any study to measure. Therefore, no study on spanking will ever produce meaningful results, and no study will ever be able to claim that, without any doubt, all spanking is always bad. The people in this thread claiming that science has proved spanking is bad are the kinds of people that have no idea how to scrutinize and think for themselves.</quote> Whatever helps you feel better at night after beating your kids</quote> Your response has no purpose other than to insult me. Do you have an actual argument to counter the points I brought up?</quote> How is that an insult? You're literally defending kid beating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 11:01:04 AM #163:	voldothegr8 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... voldothegr8 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... hockeybub89 posted... You'd think people would celebrate at the scientific findings of "Hey you don't need to hit small children" not complain and make excuses. I don't get it either. Seeing some of the posts in this topic are really disheartening. No science has ever proved that spanking, when used properly, is harmful to kids. Please link me a study that accounted for why children were spanked, how hard they were spanked, how many times hey were spanked, if the parent spanked them out of anger, if the child was aware they were doing something wrong before they were spanked, if they were warned before they were spanked...... the list goes on. There are too many variables that are impossible for any study to measure. Therefore, no study on spanking will ever produce meaningful results, and no study will ever be able to claim that, without any doubt, all spanking is always bad. The people in this thread claiming that science has proved spanking is bad are the kinds of people that have no idea how to scrutinize and think for themselves. Whatever helps you feel better at night after beating your kids Your response has no purpose other than to insult me. Do you have an actual argument to counter the points I brought up? How is that an insult? You're literally defending kid beating. Im defending spanking being used as a loving form of discipline. Im not defending beating children. But you knew that. So, can you counter the points I made or not? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901109030] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>You'd think people would celebrate at the scientific findings of "Hey you don't need to hit small children" not complain and make excuses.</quote> I don't get it either. Seeing some of the posts in this topic are really disheartening.</quote> No science has ever proved that spanking, when used properly, is harmful to kids. Please link me a study that accounted for why children were spanked, how hard they were spanked, how many times hey were spanked, if the parent spanked them out of anger, if the child was aware they were doing something wrong before they were spanked, if they were warned before they were spanked...... the list goes on. There are too many variables that are impossible for any study to measure. Therefore, no study on spanking will ever produce meaningful results, and no study will ever be able to claim that, without any doubt, all spanking is always bad. The people in this thread claiming that science has proved spanking is bad are the kinds of people that have no idea how to scrutinize and think for themselves.</quote> Whatever helps you feel better at night after beating your kids</quote> Your response has no purpose other than to insult me. Do you have an actual argument to counter the points I brought up?</quote> How is that an insult? You're literally defending kid beating.</quote> Im defending spanking being used as a loving form of discipline. Im not defending beating children. But you knew that. So, can you counter the points I made or not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 05/10/18 11:05:23 AM #164:	Vindris_SNH posted... I sound ridiculous to you because you are obstinate. It doesn't work like that. There's enough studies that show the negative effects. It's up to you to prove this "loving abuse" is in any way effective. You don't need a hyper specfic study to literally counter anecdotes with absolutely no evidence at all. --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:901109189] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>I sound ridiculous to you because you are obstinate.</quote> It doesn't work like that. There's enough studies that show the negative effects. It's up to you to prove this "loving abuse" is in any way effective. You don't need a hyper specfic study to literally counter anecdotes with absolutely no evidence at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wutobliteration 05/10/18 11:09:05 AM #165:	DoctorVader posted... Wutobliteration posted... DoctorVader You clearly have a bias going against the West. Oh wow, how unthinkable! Seeing someone who doesn't know the culture of another country and yet insults said culture remains adamant about it. Doesn't that so not make you kinda pissed at their ignorance? What do you expect someone like me to feel? It's like an Asian coming to America and wondering out loud, 'why are all you crazy people bathing in the sun and exposing yourself to radiation and skin cancer?' I grew up in a town pretty much surrounded by Chinese and Korean people. Yes you have a bias. You sound embarrassing and ignorant by doing the "you Westerners" crap. like how you're doing a horrendous generalisation of Asia, an entire freaking continent, like every single one of the billions of people across countries spanning hundreds and hundreds of cultures? Calm down and collect yourself. The culture of Asian countries is built on honor. Everything stems from it. When a person kills himself because he couldn't get top scores, it's because of honor and shame from his family. No, I'm not saying all suicide in the world is from that or anything ridiculous like you or that other guy are taking. no idiot suicides because of honor and shame. ALMOST NO ONE in a 1st world developed country like korea, japan and even china has this stupid honor crap anymore. Only people so out of touch like the rural poor in China may. People suicide from stress from work and school. This is again, a reason why you're full of s*. You expect me not to think badly of westerners like you when you're pretty much showing the very sheer and judgmental nature of that stereotype? Also I never even started with any 'westerner' insults. I'll only be specific when I want to, unlike you, as I pointed directly to USA. Go take some sociology and psychology courses dude. You've already admit you have very little experience outside Singapore, which honestly I'll admit, is not even that bad. My points however all still stand. hilarious. I know more about the world than you do about any country outside your own. Go travel abit, take some exchange programmes, will you? Can you even say you have such experience? If not, try regaining some dignity here by shutting up. <cite>Wutobliteration posted [p:901109376] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Wutobliteration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader</cite> <quote>You clearly have a bias going against the West.</quote> Oh wow, how unthinkable! Seeing someone who doesn't know the culture of another country and yet insults said culture remains adamant about it. Doesn't that so not make you kinda pissed at their ignorance? What do you expect someone like me to feel? It's like an Asian coming to America and wondering out loud, 'why are all you crazy people bathing in the sun and exposing yourself to radiation and skin cancer?'</quote> I grew up in a town pretty much surrounded by Chinese and Korean people. Yes you have a bias. You sound embarrassing and ignorant by doing the "you Westerners" crap.</quote> like how you're doing a horrendous generalisation of Asia, an entire freaking continent, like every single one of the billions of people across countries spanning hundreds and hundreds of cultures? <quote>Calm down and collect yourself. The culture of Asian countries is built on honor. Everything stems from it. When a person kills himself because he couldn't get top scores, it's because of honor and shame from his family. No, I'm not saying all suicide in the world is from that or anything ridiculous like you or that other guy are taking.</quote> no idiot suicides because of honor and shame. ALMOST NO ONE in a 1st world developed country like korea, japan and even china has this stupid honor crap anymore. Only people so out of touch like the rural poor in China may. People suicide from stress from work and school. This is again, a reason why you're full of s*. You expect me not to think badly of westerners like you when you're pretty much showing the very sheer and judgmental nature of that stereotype? Also I never even started with any 'westerner' insults. I'll only be specific when I want to, unlike you, as I pointed directly to USA. <quote>Go take some sociology and psychology courses dude. You've already admit you have very little experience outside Singapore, which honestly I'll admit, is not even that bad. My points however all still stand.</quote> hilarious. I know more about the world than you do about any country outside your own. Go travel abit, take some exchange programmes, will you? Can you even say you have such experience? If not, try regaining some dignity here by shutting up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/10/18 11:10:09 AM #166:	Vindris_SNH posted... voldothegr8 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... voldothegr8 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... hockeybub89 posted... You'd think people would celebrate at the scientific findings of "Hey you don't need to hit small children" not complain and make excuses. I don't get it either. Seeing some of the posts in this topic are really disheartening. No science has ever proved that spanking, when used properly, is harmful to kids. Please link me a study that accounted for why children were spanked, how hard they were spanked, how many times hey were spanked, if the parent spanked them out of anger, if the child was aware they were doing something wrong before they were spanked, if they were warned before they were spanked...... the list goes on. There are too many variables that are impossible for any study to measure. Therefore, no study on spanking will ever produce meaningful results, and no study will ever be able to claim that, without any doubt, all spanking is always bad. The people in this thread claiming that science has proved spanking is bad are the kinds of people that have no idea how to scrutinize and think for themselves. Whatever helps you feel better at night after beating your kids Your response has no purpose other than to insult me. Do you have an actual argument to counter the points I brought up? How is that an insult? You're literally defending kid beating. Im defending spanking being used as a loving form of discipline. Im not defending beating children. But you knew that. What's the damn difference? Spank, beat, any way you slice it Inflicting physical pain is inflicting physical pain. You just don't like seeing the term "beat" because it ruins your, rather sick imo, narrative. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 3 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:901109426] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>You'd think people would celebrate at the scientific findings of "Hey you don't need to hit small children" not complain and make excuses.</quote> I don't get it either. Seeing some of the posts in this topic are really disheartening.</quote> No science has ever proved that spanking, when used properly, is harmful to kids. Please link me a study that accounted for why children were spanked, how hard they were spanked, how many times hey were spanked, if the parent spanked them out of anger, if the child was aware they were doing something wrong before they were spanked, if they were warned before they were spanked...... the list goes on. There are too many variables that are impossible for any study to measure. Therefore, no study on spanking will ever produce meaningful results, and no study will ever be able to claim that, without any doubt, all spanking is always bad. The people in this thread claiming that science has proved spanking is bad are the kinds of people that have no idea how to scrutinize and think for themselves.</quote> Whatever helps you feel better at night after beating your kids</quote> Your response has no purpose other than to insult me. Do you have an actual argument to counter the points I brought up?</quote> How is that an insult? You're literally defending kid beating.</quote> Im defending spanking being used as a loving form of discipline. Im not defending beating children. But you knew that.</quote> What's the damn difference? Spank, beat, any way you slice it Inflicting physical pain is inflicting physical pain. You just don't like seeing the term "beat" because it ruins your, rather sick imo, narrative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoGCyN 05/10/18 11:13:49 AM #167:	voldothegr8 posted... Spank, beat, any way you slice Inflicting physical pain is inflicting physical pain TIL getting a shot from the Dr is abuse. --- --- <cite>DoGCyN posted [p:901109611] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote> Spank, beat, any way you slice Inflicting physical pain is inflicting physical pain</quote> TIL getting a shot from the Dr is abuse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 11:14:04 AM #168:	DoctorVader posted... Vindris_SNH posted... I sound ridiculous to you because you are obstinate. It doesn't work like that. There's enough studies that show the negative effects. It's up to you to prove this "loving abuse" is in any way effective. You don't need a hyper specfic study to literally counter anecdotes with absolutely no evidence at all. The accusation is that spanking is harmful. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Studies have tried to prove that spanking is harmful, but none of them have ever concluded that spanking is always bad. Regardless, these studies have many variables that are unaccounted for, and dont clearly distinguish between proper and improper usage of spanking. How many more times do I have to explain this? The studies youve seen lack an analysis deep enough to produce meaningful results. You would have to be extremely invasive in a study like this to really come up with valid answers. A proper study on spanking just does not exist. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901109624] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>I sound ridiculous to you because you are obstinate.</quote> It doesn't work like that. There's enough studies that show the negative effects. It's up to you to prove this "loving abuse" is in any way effective. You don't need a hyper specfic study to literally counter anecdotes with absolutely no evidence at all.</quote> The accusation is that spanking is harmful. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Studies have tried to prove that spanking is harmful, but none of them have ever concluded that spanking is always bad. Regardless, these studies have many variables that are unaccounted for, and dont clearly distinguish between proper and improper usage of spanking. How many more times do I have to explain this? The studies youve seen lack an analysis deep enough to produce meaningful results. You would have to be extremely invasive in a study like this to really come up with valid answers. A proper study on spanking just does not exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/10/18 11:15:55 AM #169:	DoGCyN posted... voldothegr8 posted... Spank, beat, any way you slice Inflicting physical pain is inflicting physical pain TIL getting a shot from the Dr is abuse. This is the starwman you're going to go with? --- Oda break tracker 2018- 3 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:901109705] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoGCyN posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote> Spank, beat, any way you slice Inflicting physical pain is inflicting physical pain</quote> TIL getting a shot from the Dr is abuse.</quote> This is the starwman you're going to go with?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 11:19:56 AM #170:	voldothegr8 posted... What's the damn difference? Spank, beat, any way you slice it Inflicting physical pain is inflicting physical pain. You just don't like seeing the term "beat" because it ruins your, rather sick imo, narrative. There is a difference between spanking and beating. I cant imagine anything but willful ignorance is preventing you from admitting that. I have yet to see a counter argument from you by the way. Instead youve been working on trying to twist my words, playing the semantics game. Ive seen it before. Its what people resort to doing when they realize theyre going to lose an argument. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901109896] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>What's the damn difference? Spank, beat, any way you slice it Inflicting physical pain is inflicting physical pain. You just don't like seeing the term "beat" because it ruins your, rather sick imo, narrative.</quote> There is a difference between spanking and beating. I cant imagine anything but willful ignorance is preventing you from admitting that. I have yet to see a counter argument from you by the way. Instead youve been working on trying to twist my words, playing the semantics game. Ive seen it before. Its what people resort to doing when they realize theyre going to lose an argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoGCyN 05/10/18 11:20:13 AM #171:	voldothegr8 posted... DoGCyN posted... voldothegr8 posted... Spank, beat, any way you slice Inflicting physical pain is inflicting physical pain TIL getting a shot from the Dr is abuse. This is the starwman you're going to go with? That's not a strawman. That is your logic. You equate physical pain with beating/abuse. Dr's give shots which inflicts physical pain, therefore is abuse. This is how ridiculous you currently sound. --- --- <cite>DoGCyN posted [p:901109911] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoGCyN posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote> Spank, beat, any way you slice Inflicting physical pain is inflicting physical pain</quote> TIL getting a shot from the Dr is abuse.</quote> This is the starwman you're going to go with?</quote> That's not a strawman. That is your logic. You equate physical pain with beating/abuse. Dr's give shots which inflicts physical pain, therefore is abuse. This is how ridiculous you currently sound.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 05/10/18 11:21:56 AM #172:	No... It's called discipline. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:901110001] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote>No... It's called discipline.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hulkasaurusrex 05/10/18 11:22:02 AM #173:	Good luck next ww but don't worry you will all be hiding in your cry closets. I hope i am senile by then. <cite>Hulkasaurusrex posted [p:901110006] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote>Good luck next ww but don't worry you will all be hiding in your cry closets. I hope i am senile by then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/10/18 11:22:47 AM #174:	Vindris_SNH posted... There is a difference between spanking and beating. How? The act of spanking is raising a hand or a blunt object to hit them and inflict pain. "Spank" is merely a sugar coated term for "beat" --- Oda break tracker 2018- 3 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:901110042] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>There is a difference between spanking and beating.</quote> How? The act of spanking is raising a hand or a blunt object to hit them and inflict pain. "Spank" is merely a sugar coated term for "beat"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 05/10/18 11:24:18 AM #175:	People seem really insistent on being able to hurt and make a child cry --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:901110116] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote>People seem really insistent on being able to hurt and make a child cry</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 05/10/18 11:25:35 AM #176:	Wutobliteration posted... like how you're doing a horrendous generalisation of Asia, an entire freaking continent, like every single one of the billions of people across countries spanning hundreds and hundreds of cultures? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_honor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/201406/asian-honor-and-suicide https://www.thoughtco.com/honor-killings-in-asia-4059398 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/201406/asian-shame-and-honor https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/world/asia/china-corporal-punishment-education-discipline.html http://www.businessinsider.com/self-esteem-children-china-us-2017-10 http://www.bu.edu/today/2016/asian-women-suicide-rate/ Wutobliteration posted... no idiot suicides because of honor and shame. ALMOST NO ONE in a 1st world developed country like korea, japan and even china has this stupid honor crap anymore. Only people so out of touch like the rural poor in China may. People suicide from stress from work and school. This is again, a reason why you're full of s**. You expect me not to think badly of westerners like you when you're pretty much showing the very sheer and judgmental nature of that stereotype? Also I never even started with any 'westerner' insults. I'll only be specific when I want to, unlike you, as I pointed directly to USA. As I said, you sound embarrassing at this point and calling me an idiot doesn't help your point. Please go take some sociology and psychology classes as I suggested. Also get some anger management. Wutobliteration posted... hilarious. I know more about the world than you do about any country outside your own. Go travel abit, take some exchange programmes, will you? Can you even say you have such experience? If not, try regaining some dignity here by shutting up. How do you know anything about me? 90% of the shit you've posted in this topic is just nonsense and rambling. I think its you who needs to shut up. --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror.* - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:901110186] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wutobliteration posted...</cite> <quote>like how you're doing a horrendous generalisation of Asia, an entire freaking continent, like every single one of the billions of people across countries spanning hundreds and hundreds of cultures? </quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_honor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/201406/asian-honor-and-suicide https://www.thoughtco.com/honor-killings-in-asia-4059398 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/201406/asian-shame-and-honor https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/world/asia/china-corporal-punishment-education-discipline.html http://www.businessinsider.com/self-esteem-children-china-us-2017-10 http://www.bu.edu/today/2016/asian-women-suicide-rate/ <cite>Wutobliteration posted...</cite> <quote>no idiot suicides because of honor and shame. ALMOST NO ONE in a 1st world developed country like korea, japan and even china has this stupid honor crap anymore. Only people so out of touch like the rural poor in China may. People suicide from stress from work and school. This is again, a reason why you're full of s***. You expect me not to think badly of westerners like you when you're pretty much showing the very sheer and judgmental nature of that stereotype? Also I never even started with any 'westerner' insults. I'll only be specific when I want to, unlike you, as I pointed directly to USA.</quote> As I said, you sound embarrassing at this point and calling me an idiot doesn't help your point. Please go take some sociology and psychology classes as I suggested. Also get some anger management. <cite>Wutobliteration posted...</cite> <quote>hilarious. I know more about the world than you do about any country outside your own. Go travel abit, take some exchange programmes, will you? Can you even say you have such experience? If not, try regaining some dignity here by shutting up.</quote> How do you know anything about me? 90% of the shit you've posted in this topic is just nonsense and rambling. I think its you who needs to shut up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 11:27:06 AM #177:	voldothegr8 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... There is a difference between spanking and beating. How? The act of spanking is raising a hand or a blunt object to hit them and inflict pain. "Spank" is merely a sugar coated term for "beat" Your deflections have made it evident that you have no real counter-argument. And if youre being sincere, then I pity your ignorance, and I would be wasting my time debating with someone who cant understand basic distinctions. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901110257] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>There is a difference between spanking and beating.</quote> How? The act of spanking is raising a hand or a blunt object to hit them and inflict pain. "Spank" is merely a sugar coated term for "beat"</quote> Your deflections have made it evident that you have no real counter-argument. And if youre being sincere, then I pity your ignorance, and I would be wasting my time debating with someone who cant understand basic distinctions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 05/10/18 11:27:34 AM #178:	Vindris_SNH posted... The accusation is that spanking is harmful. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Studies have tried to prove that spanking is harmful, but none of them have ever concluded that spanking is always bad. Regardless, these studies have many variables that are unaccounted for, and dont clearly distinguish between proper and improper usage of spanking. How many more times do I have to explain this? The studies youve seen lack an analysis deep enough to produce meaningful results. You would have to be extremely invasive in a study like this to really come up with valid answers. A proper study on spanking just does not exist. Dude. You literally used common sense as your evidence. You have no room to talk. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/16/harmful-effects-spanking-toddler-can-trigger-bad-behavior-even-10-years-later/562203001/ --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:901110280] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>The accusation is that spanking is harmful. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Studies have tried to prove that spanking is harmful, but none of them have ever concluded that spanking is always bad. Regardless, these studies have many variables that are unaccounted for, and dont clearly distinguish between proper and improper usage of spanking. How many more times do I have to explain this? The studies youve seen lack an analysis deep enough to produce meaningful results. You would have to be extremely invasive in a study like this to really come up with valid answers. A proper study on spanking just does not exist.</quote> Dude. You literally used common sense as your evidence. You have no room to talk. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/16/harmful-effects-spanking-toddler-can-trigger-bad-behavior-even-10-years-later/562203001/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Konflikt 05/10/18 11:29:35 AM #179:	It's 2018 and people still feed Vindris <cite>Konflikt posted [p:901110382] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote>It's 2018 and people still feed Vindris</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wutobliteration 05/10/18 11:30:29 AM #180:	DoctorVader How do you know anything about me? 90% of the s* you've posted in this topic is just nonsense and rambling. I think its you who needs to shut up. tell me about youtself then, and what qualifies you to be taken seriously in what you're saying. Answer my question on your international exposure then. or do you just sit in front of a computer googling stuff you don't know so you can act like mr know-it-all? If you can't answer, I've made my point. I'm done talking to you. <cite>Wutobliteration posted [p:901110425] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader </cite><quote>How do you know anything about me? 90% of the s* you've posted in this topic is just nonsense and rambling. I think its you who needs to shut up.</quote> tell me about youtself then, and what qualifies you to be taken seriously in what you're saying. Answer my question on your international exposure then. or do you just sit in front of a computer googling stuff you don't know so you can act like mr know-it-all? If you can't answer, I've made my point. I'm done talking to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 05/10/18 11:37:03 AM #181:	Konflikt posted... It's 2018 and people still feed Vindris --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:901110738] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Konflikt posted...</cite> <quote>It's 2018 and people still feed Vindris</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 11:37:16 AM #182:	DoctorVader posted... Vindris_SNH posted... The accusation is that spanking is harmful. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Studies have tried to prove that spanking is harmful, but none of them have ever concluded that spanking is always bad. Regardless, these studies have many variables that are unaccounted for, and dont clearly distinguish between proper and improper usage of spanking. How many more times do I have to explain this? The studies youve seen lack an analysis deep enough to produce meaningful results. You would have to be extremely invasive in a study like this to really come up with valid answers. A proper study on spanking just does not exist. Dude. You literally used common sense as your evidence. You have no room to talk. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/16/harmful-effects-spanking-toddler-can-trigger-bad-behavior-even-10-years-later/562203001/ I dont need evidence. Im not the one making accusations. Your claim is that spanking is bad. Even the article you linked says spanking can be bad. It doesnt say spanking is always bad. Regardless, for the thousandth time, these studies are unable to account for all variables involved in spanking, and they do not clearly define or make a clear distinction between proper and improper spanking. In other words, what youre basically touting as scientific fact is a study that maybe kind of came up with some, at best, questionable results that probably dont actually mean anything. Go back in this thread and look at some of the factors I listed that need to be included to validate a study on spanking and see if you can find a study that accounted for at least the few factors that I listed. If you find a study that did, Ill listen. Until then, your accusations toward spanking are virtually baseless. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901110746] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>The accusation is that spanking is harmful. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Studies have tried to prove that spanking is harmful, but none of them have ever concluded that spanking is always bad. Regardless, these studies have many variables that are unaccounted for, and dont clearly distinguish between proper and improper usage of spanking. How many more times do I have to explain this? The studies youve seen lack an analysis deep enough to produce meaningful results. You would have to be extremely invasive in a study like this to really come up with valid answers. A proper study on spanking just does not exist.</quote> Dude. You literally used common sense as your evidence. You have no room to talk. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/16/harmful-effects-spanking-toddler-can-trigger-bad-behavior-even-10-years-later/562203001/</quote> I dont need evidence. Im not the one making accusations. Your claim is that spanking is bad. Even the article you linked says spanking can be bad. It doesnt say spanking is always bad. Regardless, for the thousandth time, these studies are unable to account for all variables involved in spanking, and they do not clearly define or make a clear distinction between proper and improper spanking. In other words, what youre basically touting as scientific fact is a study that maybe kind of came up with some, at best, questionable results that probably dont actually mean anything. Go back in this thread and look at some of the factors I listed that need to be included to validate a study on spanking and see if you can find a study that accounted for at least the few factors that I listed. If you find a study that did, Ill listen. Until then, your accusations toward spanking are virtually baseless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Marauder64 05/10/18 11:37:37 AM #183:	voldothegr8 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... There is a difference between spanking and beating. How? The act of spanking is raising a hand or a blunt object to hit them and inflict pain. "Spank" is merely a sugar coated term for "beat" --- The code of the elitist: If people like it, it sucks. : Sinix. PSN: Gridmac <cite>Marauder64 posted [p:901110765] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>There is a difference between spanking and beating.</quote> How? The act of spanking is raising a hand or a blunt object to hit them and inflict pain. "Spank" is merely a sugar coated term for "beat"</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 05/10/18 11:37:54 AM #184:	Wutobliteration posted... DoctorVader How do you know anything about me? 90% of the s*** you've posted in this topic is just nonsense and rambling. I think its you who needs to shut up. tell me about youtself then, and what qualifies you to be taken seriously in what you're saying. Answer my question on your international exposure then. or do you just sit in front of a computer googling stuff you don't know so you can act like mr know-it-all? If you can't answer, I've made my point. I'm done talking to you. I just said earlier I live in the most ethnically diverse area on Earth and my actual town was surrounded by Chinese and Korean people and I've been all over Asia and South America as well as many countries in Europe. None of that matters and you're just moving into irrelevant territory. This is stuff I've experienced as well as people have written in great detail about with full sources. All you've done is rambled with absolutely nothing to back it up other than "because I say so you filthy Westerner" --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:901110779] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wutobliteration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader </cite><quote>How do you know anything about me? 90% of the s*** you've posted in this topic is just nonsense and rambling. I think its you who needs to shut up.</quote> tell me about youtself then, and what qualifies you to be taken seriously in what you're saying. Answer my question on your international exposure then. or do you just sit in front of a computer googling stuff you don't know so you can act like mr know-it-all? If you can't answer, I've made my point. I'm done talking to you.</quote> I just said earlier I live in the most ethnically diverse area on Earth and my actual town was surrounded by Chinese and Korean people and I've been all over Asia and South America as well as many countries in Europe. None of that matters and you're just moving into irrelevant territory. This is stuff I've experienced as well as people have written in great detail about with full sources. All you've done is rambled with absolutely nothing to back it up other than "because I say so you filthy Westerner"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 05/10/18 11:38:46 AM #186:	If you raise your kids correctly there should be no reason to ever hit them. Get your garbage, abusive parenting opinions out of here. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:901110833] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote>If you raise your kids correctly there should be no reason to ever hit them. Get your garbage, abusive parenting opinions out of here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 05/10/18 11:41:24 AM #187:	Vindris_SNH posted... I dont need evidence. Im not the one making accusations. Your claim is that spanking is bad. Even the article you linked says spanking can be bad. It doesnt say spanking is always bad. Regardless, for the thousandth time, these studies are unable to account for all variables involved in spanking, and they do not clearly define or make a clear distinction between proper and improper spanking. In other words, what youre basically touting as scientific fact is a study that maybe kind of came up with some, at best, questionable results that probably dont actually mean anything. Go back in this thread and look at some of the factors I listed that need to be included to validate a study on spanking and see if you can find a study that accounted for at least the few factors that I listed. If you find a study that did, Ill listen. Until then, your accusations toward spanking are virtually baseless. Bro. Shut the fuck up at this point. You can't ask for evidence and in the same breath say your own evidence is common sense. You want to beat your kids with some love bullshit, go ahead. I'm not gonna stop you. --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:901110982] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>I dont need evidence. Im not the one making accusations. Your claim is that spanking is bad. Even the article you linked says spanking can be bad. It doesnt say spanking is always bad. Regardless, for the thousandth time, these studies are unable to account for all variables involved in spanking, and they do not clearly define or make a clear distinction between proper and improper spanking. In other words, what youre basically touting as scientific fact is a study that maybe kind of came up with some, at best, questionable results that probably dont actually mean anything. Go back in this thread and look at some of the factors I listed that need to be included to validate a study on spanking and see if you can find a study that accounted for at least the few factors that I listed. If you find a study that did, Ill listen. Until then, your accusations toward spanking are virtually baseless.</quote> Bro. Shut the fuck up at this point. You can't ask for evidence and in the same breath say your own evidence is common sense. You want to beat your kids with some love bullshit, go ahead. I'm not gonna stop you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 11:42:27 AM #188:	scar the 1 posted... Konflikt posted... It's 2018 and people still feed Vindris Someone brings up a valid point that challenges your opinion on something? Call them a troll and walk away feeling great about yourself. Sad to see so many people who are happy being ignorant. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901111073] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Konflikt posted...</cite> <quote>It's 2018 and people still feed Vindris</quote></quote> Someone brings up a valid point that challenges your opinion on something? Call them a troll and walk away feeling great about yourself. Sad to see so many people who are happy being ignorant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 11:45:02 AM #189:	DoctorVader posted... Vindris_SNH posted... I dont need evidence. Im not the one making accusations. Your claim is that spanking is bad. Even the article you linked says spanking can be bad. It doesnt say spanking is always bad. Regardless, for the thousandth time, these studies are unable to account for all variables involved in spanking, and they do not clearly define or make a clear distinction between proper and improper spanking. In other words, what youre basically touting as scientific fact is a study that maybe kind of came up with some, at best, questionable results that probably dont actually mean anything. Go back in this thread and look at some of the factors I listed that need to be included to validate a study on spanking and see if you can find a study that accounted for at least the few factors that I listed. If you find a study that did, Ill listen. Until then, your accusations toward spanking are virtually baseless. Bro. Shut the fuck up at this point. You can't ask for evidence and in the same breath say your own evidence is common sense. You want to beat your kids with some love bullshit, go ahead. I'm not gonna stop you. Common sense isnt evidence. I was being facetious. Please address the points Im making and tell me why you think these studies on spanking should hold weight, considering what I just explained about their validity. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901111195] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>I dont need evidence. Im not the one making accusations. Your claim is that spanking is bad. Even the article you linked says spanking can be bad. It doesnt say spanking is always bad. Regardless, for the thousandth time, these studies are unable to account for all variables involved in spanking, and they do not clearly define or make a clear distinction between proper and improper spanking. In other words, what youre basically touting as scientific fact is a study that maybe kind of came up with some, at best, questionable results that probably dont actually mean anything. Go back in this thread and look at some of the factors I listed that need to be included to validate a study on spanking and see if you can find a study that accounted for at least the few factors that I listed. If you find a study that did, Ill listen. Until then, your accusations toward spanking are virtually baseless.</quote> Bro. Shut the fuck up at this point. You can't ask for evidence and in the same breath say your own evidence is common sense. You want to beat your kids with some love bullshit, go ahead. I'm not gonna stop you.</quote> Common sense isnt evidence. I was being facetious. Please address the points Im making and tell me why you think these studies on spanking should hold weight, considering what I just explained about their validity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 05/10/18 11:46:20 AM #190:	Vindris_SNH posted... scar the 1 posted... Konflikt posted... It's 2018 and people still feed Vindris Someone brings up a valid point that challenges your opinion on something? Call them a troll and walk away feeling great about yourself. Sad to see so many people who are happy being ignorant. You're literally saying that you don't need evidence to support the notion that spanking is good. I would consider that patently stupid, but I've seen you post enough to know that you might just as well be trolling. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:901111273] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Konflikt posted...</cite> <quote>It's 2018 and people still feed Vindris</quote></quote> Someone brings up a valid point that challenges your opinion on something? Call them a troll and walk away feeling great about yourself. Sad to see so many people who are happy being ignorant.</quote> You're literally saying that you don't need evidence to support the notion that spanking is good. I would consider that patently stupid, but I've seen you post enough to know that you might just as well be trolling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 11:52:46 AM #191:	scar the 1 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... scar the 1 posted... Konflikt posted... It's 2018 and people still feed Vindris Someone brings up a valid point that challenges your opinion on something? Call them a troll and walk away feeling great about yourself. Sad to see so many people who are happy being ignorant. You're literally saying that you don't need evidence to support the notion that spanking is good. I would consider that patently stupid, but I've seen you post enough to know that you might just as well be trolling. Wrong. Im simply asking for someone to present a study that proves spanking is always bad. I know of no studies that have tried to prove spanking is good, and even if they exist, they would be just as invalid as the studies supposedly proving spanking is/can be bad, and for the same reason; the inability to consistently measure critical factors. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901111584] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Konflikt posted...</cite> <quote>It's 2018 and people still feed Vindris</quote></quote> Someone brings up a valid point that challenges your opinion on something? Call them a troll and walk away feeling great about yourself. Sad to see so many people who are happy being ignorant.</quote> You're literally saying that you don't need evidence to support the notion that spanking is good. I would consider that patently stupid, but I've seen you post enough to know that you might just as well be trolling.</quote> Wrong. Im simply asking for someone to present a study that proves spanking is always bad. I know of no studies that have tried to prove spanking is good, and even if they exist, they would be just as invalid as the studies supposedly proving spanking is/can be bad, and for the same reason; the inability to consistently measure critical factors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kill_Marxism 05/10/18 11:57:09 AM #192:	Like with all things, sometimes force is necessary. <cite>Kill_Marxism posted [p:901111829] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote>Like with all things, sometimes force is necessary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kill_Marxism 05/10/18 11:59:29 AM #193:	MrK3V posted... my grandpa gifted my dad for his birthday the paddle he used on my dad and my uncles I saw my dad on his birthday look at my grandpa in the eye, and throw it in the trash as he then looked to me and my brother. It was pretty powerful. that... was lame... <cite>Kill_Marxism posted [p:901111963] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrK3V posted...</cite> <quote>my grandpa gifted my dad for his birthday the paddle he used on my dad and my uncles I saw my dad on his birthday look at my grandpa in the eye, and throw it in the trash as he then looked to me and my brother. It was pretty powerful.</quote> that... was lame...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 05/10/18 12:18:04 PM #195:	DoGCyN posted... Wutobliteration posted... And just to clear things up, I'm not saying I'm an advocate for whipping your child here, but simply, to call it abuse is downright dumb. It is. But people here will keep equating it. as I said earlier: part of the problem is that people think of spanking and abuse as different things, but that is not the case. they've been linked to the exact same outcomes --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:901112898] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoGCyN posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Wutobliteration posted...</cite> <quote>And just to clear things up, I'm not saying I'm an advocate for whipping your child here, but simply, to call it abuse is downright dumb. </quote> It is. But people here will keep equating it.</quote> as I said earlier: part of the problem is that people think of spanking and abuse as different things, but that is not the case. they've been linked to the exact same outcomes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/10/18 12:19:40 PM #196:	Vindris_SNH posted... Wrong. Im simply asking for someone to present a study that proves spanking is always bad. https://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-of-harm-from-spanking-confirmed-by-researchers --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:901112970] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>Wrong. Im simply asking for someone to present a study that proves spanking is always bad. </quote> https://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-of-harm-from-spanking-confirmed-by-researchers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 1:46:28 PM #197:	Asherlee10 posted... Here is an interesting study that was done (includes meta-analysis) - https://calio.dspacedirect.org/handle/11212/3568 Some noteworthy items: 1. Contrary to parents' goals when using it, the more parents use physical punishment, the more disobedient and aggressive their children will be. (An alternative explanation that has been offered for the findings that physical punishment is associated with more defiance and aggression in children is that it is not physical punishment that causes the aggression, but rather that defiant and aggressive children elicit more physical punishment from their parents.) 2. A meta-analysis of 12 studies found that the frequency or severity with which children experienced physical punishment was associated with increased mental health problems in children in every study. Subsequent studies, not included in the meta- a n a l y s i s , have confirmed the association of physical punishment with impairments in children's mental health, such as anxiety and depression, alcohol and drug use, and general psychological maladjustment. These findings were consistent across a range of countries, including Hungary, Hong Kong, Jamaica, and the United States. 3. Decades of social science theory and research have generated several explanations for why physical punishment is likely to have few intended positive effects and many unintended negative effects. Bottom line from all of this: "There is little research evidence that physical punishment improves children's behavior in the long term. In contrast, there is substantial research evidence that physical punishment puts children at risk for negative outcomes, including increased aggression, antisocial behavior, mental health problems and physical injury. " Even if you managed to "appropriately" or "properly" (whatever those are supposed to be) physically punish a child, you are making a HUGE risk that it is going to negatively affect the mental health of your child in short-term and long-term. Why even do it? There are tons of healthy ways to parent your child that doesn't come with a huge risk of fucking up their mental health. Read the definition they created in that report for physical punishment, and read the section on when it is used. Clearly the report doesnt care to differentiate between how spanking is used differently within certain households. This report does not indicate that your child is guaranteed to have issues caused by spanking, and it clearly seeks to make spanking look bad based on how it is structured. Its a biased report, and it seems to me that it is meant to deceive. Your bottom line claims there is little research evidence to support spanking improving behavior. Thats correct, because the focus of research has been to demonize spanking. Everyone doing the research is doing their best to make it look bad, and theyre having trouble convincing people because people with actual life experience have, many times, seen the opposite of what these studies are purporting. I cant make any substantial claim on the effects of properly using spanking as a form of discipline, because all I have is anecdotal evidence. But no study Im aware of, certainly not the one you posted, has ever given spanking a fair trial. If you find a study that includes the factors I mentioned earlier, please let me know. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901117415] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>Here is an interesting study that was done (includes meta-analysis) - https://calio.dspacedirect.org/handle/11212/3568 Some noteworthy items: 1. Contrary to parents' goals when using it, the more parents use physical punishment, the more disobedient and aggressive their children will be. (An alternative explanation that has been offered for the findings that physical punishment is associated with more defiance and aggression in children is that it is not physical punishment that causes the aggression, but rather that defiant and aggressive children elicit more physical punishment from their parents.) 2. A meta-analysis of 12 studies found that the frequency or severity with which children experienced physical punishment was associated with increased mental health problems in children in every study. Subsequent studies, not included in the meta- a n a l y s i s , have confirmed the association of physical punishment with impairments in children's mental health, such as anxiety and depression, alcohol and drug use, and general psychological maladjustment. These findings were consistent across a range of countries, including Hungary, Hong Kong, Jamaica, and the United States. 3. Decades of social science theory and research have generated several explanations for why physical punishment is likely to have few intended positive effects and many unintended negative effects. Bottom line from all of this: "There is little research evidence that physical punishment improves children's behavior in the long term. In contrast, there is substantial research evidence that physical punishment puts children at risk for negative outcomes, including increased aggression, antisocial behavior, mental health problems and physical injury. " Even if you managed to "appropriately" or "properly" (whatever those are supposed to be) physically punish a child, you are making a HUGE risk that it is going to negatively affect the mental health of your child in short-term and long-term. Why even do it? There are tons of healthy ways to parent your child that doesn't come with a huge risk of fucking up their mental health.</quote> Read the definition they created in that report for physical punishment, and read the section on when it is used. Clearly the report doesnt care to differentiate between how spanking is used differently within certain households. This report does not indicate that your child is guaranteed to have issues caused by spanking, and it clearly seeks to make spanking look bad based on how it is structured. Its a biased report, and it seems to me that it is meant to deceive. Your bottom line claims there is little research evidence to support spanking improving behavior. Thats correct, because the focus of research has been to demonize spanking. Everyone doing the research is doing their best to make it look bad, and theyre having trouble convincing people because people with actual life experience have, many times, seen the opposite of what these studies are purporting. I cant make any substantial claim on the effects of properly using spanking as a form of discipline, because all I have is anecdotal evidence. But no study Im aware of, certainly not the one you posted, has ever given spanking a fair trial. If you find a study that includes the factors I mentioned earlier, please let me know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 2:04:20 PM #199:	averagejoel posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Wrong. Im simply asking for someone to present a study that proves spanking is always bad. https://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-of-harm-from-spanking-confirmed-by-researchers This study failed to include the factors I mentioned earlier, which are critical to understanding whether or not spanking is always bad, or if it can be used to create a positive outcome when employed properly. Please find a study that includes the factors I mentioned earlier. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901118445] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>Wrong. Im simply asking for someone to present a study that proves spanking is always bad. </quote> https://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-of-harm-from-spanking-confirmed-by-researchers</quote> This study failed to include the factors I mentioned earlier, which are critical to understanding whether or not spanking is always bad, or if it can be used to create a positive outcome when employed properly. Please find a study that includes the factors I mentioned earlier.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/10/18 2:13:55 PM #201:	"Don't stand on the top rung of a ladder" "Yeah but has anyone studied doing it properly? Besides, not everyone who does it will fall off" --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:901118962] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote>"Don't stand on the top rung of a ladder" "Yeah but has anyone studied doing it properly? Besides, not everyone who does it will fall off"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 05/10/18 2:16:22 PM #202:	Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Read the definition they created in that report for physical punishment, and read the section on when it is used. Clearly the report doesnt care to differentiate between how spanking is used differently within certain households. "For the purposes of this report, physical punishment is defined as the use of physical force with the intention of causing the child to experience bodily pain or discomfort so as to correct or punish the child's behavior. This definition includes light physical force, such as a slap on a child's hand, as well as heavier physical force, including hitting children with hard objects such as a wooden spoon or paddle." The definition seems perfectly fine to me. It covers all bases that could be considered spanking from a light hit to something heavier like a paddle. How physical punishment is used is not relevant. It's still physical punishment. Vindris_SNH posted... This report does not indicate that your child is guaranteed to have issues caused by spanking, and it clearly seeks to make spanking look bad based on how it is structured. Its a biased report, and it seems to me that it is meant to deceive. Your bottom line claims there is little research evidence to support spanking improving behavior. Thats correct, because the focus of research has been to demonize spanking. Everyone doing the research is doing their best to make it look bad, and theyre having trouble convincing people because people with actual life experience have, many times, seen the opposite of what these studies are purporting. I'm not sure why you are so stuck on wanting a guarantee that all children who are spanked will have a negative impact on mental health. The fact that most (probably a lot closer to all) will have a negative impact is absolutely enough of a reason to NOT physically punish your child. Why would you take that risk with a child? This is like saying, "Well, not EVERYONE who smokes a pack of cigarettes a day will get lung cancer, so it's totally fine that I do it." Last, you seem to have some sort of particular blinders on for research involved in physical punishment. It's easy to say every study you don't agree with is biased. That fact is, that is not true. Does the study you posted include: - Why the child was spanked. - Was the child aware that what they were doing could lead to them being spanked? - Did the child comprehend the rule set before them, and why it was a rule to begin with? - Was the child given a warning and a non-physical form of punishment before spanking was employed? - Was the parent angry while spanking? There are a few things to start. Ive already mentioned them. Look at those factors and see if the study reports differences in children that were spanked differently. The thing that causes these studies to conclude that spanking is bad is that they are lumping in parents who dont use spanking properly (most parents) with the parents who do use spanking properly (not many parents). This is my entire point, that there are a lot of factors that go into whether or not a spanking could be considered proper as a form of discipline, and these studies ignore those factors when concluding that spanking is bad. Youre telling me that you think spanking should not be practiced because this study tells you its almost always bad. But what if thats only because almost all parents involved in the study were using it wrong? What if what Im calling proper spanking was taught and could be used by parents effectively and for a positive outcome without any risk? I believe thats possible. There is no risk of negative outcome when spanking is employed properly. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:901119079] in Is whippin... [t:76579166]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>Read the definition they created in that report for physical punishment, and read the section on when it is used. Clearly the report doesnt care to differentiate between how spanking is used differently within certain households.</quote> "For the purposes of this report, physical punishment is defined as the use of physical force with the intention of causing the child to experience bodily pain or discomfort so as to correct or punish the child's behavior. This definition includes light physical force, such as a slap on a child's hand, as well as heavier physical force, including hitting children with hard objects such as a wooden spoon or paddle." The definition seems perfectly fine to me. It covers all bases that could be considered spanking from a light hit to something heavier like a paddle. How physical punishment is used is not relevant. It's still physical punishment. <cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>This report does not indicate that your child is guaranteed to have issues caused by spanking, and it clearly seeks to make spanking look bad based on how it is structured. Its a biased report, and it seems to me that it is meant to deceive. Your bottom line claims there is little research evidence to support spanking improving behavior. Thats correct, because the focus of research has been to demonize spanking. Everyone doing the research is doing their best to make it look bad, and theyre having trouble convincing people because people with actual life experience have, many times, seen the opposite of what these studies are purporting.</quote> I'm not sure why you are so stuck on wanting a guarantee that all children who are spanked will have a negative impact on mental health. The fact that most (probably a lot closer to all) will have a negative impact is absolutely enough of a reason to NOT physically punish your child. Why would you take that risk with a child? This is like saying, "Well, not EVERYONE who smokes a pack of cigarettes a day will get lung cancer, so it's totally fine that I do it." Last, you seem to have some sort of particular blinders on for research involved in physical punishment. It's easy to say every study you don't agree with is biased. That fact is, that is not true.</quote> Does the study you posted include: - Why the child was spanked. - Was the child aware that what they were doing could lead to them being spanked? - Did the child comprehend the rule set before them, and why it was a rule to begin with? - Was the child given a warning and a non-physical form of punishment before spanking was employed? - Was the parent angry while spanking? There are a few things to start. Ive already mentioned them. Look at those factors and see if the study reports differences in children that were spanked differently. The thing that causes these studies to conclude that spanking is bad is that they are lumping in parents who dont use spanking properly (most parents) with the parents who do use spanking properly (not many parents). This is my entire point, that there are a lot of factors that go into whether or not a spanking could be considered proper as a form of discipline, and these studies ignore those factors when concluding that spanking is bad. Youre telling me that you think spanking should not be practiced because this study tells you its almost always bad. But what if thats only because almost all parents involved in the study were using it wrong? What if what Im calling proper spanking was taught and could be used by parents effectively and for a positive outcome without any risk? I believe thats possible. There is no risk of negative outcome when spanking is employed properly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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