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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 5:59:58 PM
#202:


You actually sound bitter as fuck, my guy
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Waluigi7
05/03/18 6:01:37 PM
#203:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
You actually sound bitter as fuck, my guy

He's obviously projecting.
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Balrog0
05/03/18 6:03:12 PM
#204:


you can also see some kinda pre-trump effect with a huge spike in the number of people saying they would date someone with vocal racial biases
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Funbazooka
05/03/18 6:03:41 PM
#205:


What I don't get is the notion that anyone is responsible for the success of a stranger's love-life

It's like I woke up and the world went crazy
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Fony
05/03/18 6:03:52 PM
#206:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Fony posted...
And she is vastly outnumbered by married/attached white and Asian women in her classes and her future career so the "black womenz be grinding" stereotype is still bullshit.

You being black doesn't make your position any less stupid.


So lemme get this straight.

Your idea of countering a stereotype is by automatically assuming she's accomplishing less, even though you've never met her?

Lol


When did i imply anything about her accomplishments? My point is that THOSE non black women who outnumber black women in those kinds of classes and in those kind of jobs in the real world are not on average dealing with the same dating struggle. Stop blaming "the grind" or some education thing. White women also are beginning to outpace white men with the exception of upper tier earners...by the way elite earning blacks have more MEN than women too. This argument does not hold up.

You're actually perpetuating a stereotype about black men and reading comprehension bro. Take a break.
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 6:05:12 PM
#207:


Fony posted...

When did i imply anything about her accomplishments? My point is that THOSE non black women who outnumber black women in those kinds of classes and in those kind of jobs in the real world are not on average dealing with the same dating struggle. Stop blaming "the grind" or some education thing.


Once again, you're missing the point about how black women already have two negatives against them the U.S., one, their race and two, their gender.

Yes, it's valid to this conversation.
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 6:05:46 PM
#208:


And how am I perpetuating a stereotype about black men when I've never said anything about black men? At all? Are you getting your posters mixed up?
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Fony
05/03/18 6:06:23 PM
#209:


Funbazooka posted...
What I don't get is the notion that anyone is responsible for the success of a stranger's love-life

It's like I woke up and the world went crazy


CE, what can you expect. Black guys who internalize stereotypes and white nerds talking about things they really should stay away from.
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Fony
05/03/18 6:06:49 PM
#210:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
And how am I perpetuating a stereotype about black men when I've never said anything about black men? At all? Are you getting your posters mixed up?


Because you can't understand what you read. Please stop.
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Balrog0
05/03/18 6:07:05 PM
#211:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
And how am I perpetuating a stereotype about black men when I've never said anything about black men? At all? Are you getting your posters mixed up?


he is saying you can't read bro
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 6:07:41 PM
#212:


Fony posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
And how am I perpetuating a stereotype about black men when I've never said anything about black men? At all? Are you getting your posters mixed up?


Because you can't understand what you read. Please stop.


No, I'm pretty sure you've just lost track of the discussion.

Everything I stated applied to men as a whole, not just black men. You're already defensive lol.
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Oh_Boy_
05/03/18 6:08:23 PM
#213:


Balrog0 posted...
Oh_Boy_ posted...
That pic only measure response rates. That can be based on the profile itself or the personal interaction. Actual black men rating women...they prefer black women best....also from okcupid this chart shows black men rating black woman above most groups and showing no preference at all for non black women. They actually have the most fair and even approach of all men.

https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060\

Plus black women are still women, they get more hits than men. How does this show that they are undesirable?


pretty interesting to look at those numbers imo -- black women have the strongest in-group preference among women, even slightly more than white women. but black men have the weakest in-group preference among men.

at least in the 2014 numbers. in a couple of years white women have stronger in-group preferences, but its close in general


Black men have weak preferences in general. It literally says in the summary that they have no preference.
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Balrog0
05/03/18 6:10:01 PM
#214:


Oh_Boy_ posted...
Black men have weak preferences in general. It literally says in the summary that they have no preference.


does that change the unique dynamic where black women mostly want to date black men and black men are more ambivalent regarding the race of their partner?

that's clearly the root of the issue. if you don't have a chip on your shoulder or a victim complex, you can read that as being a problem with black women or with black men or like no one. but it is different than it is for other races
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Oh_Boy_
05/03/18 6:10:34 PM
#215:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Fony posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
And how am I perpetuating a stereotype about black men when I've never said anything about black men? At all? Are you getting your posters mixed up?


Because you can't understand what you read. Please stop.


No, I'm pretty sure you've just lost track of the discussion.

Everything I stated applied to men as a whole, not just black men. You're already defensive lol.


to be fair, you did say the Fony assumed your girl was accomplishing less when he said nothing of the sort.. He said, factually that she will be surrounded by non black women who have no or less trouble getting men and it's true. So the argument about black women grinding affecting their dating is false, if other women are just as smart and busy but do fine on average.
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 6:12:16 PM
#216:


Oh_Boy_ posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Fony posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
And how am I perpetuating a stereotype about black men when I've never said anything about black men? At all? Are you getting your posters mixed up?


Because you can't understand what you read. Please stop.


No, I'm pretty sure you've just lost track of the discussion.

Everything I stated applied to men as a whole, not just black men. You're already defensive lol.


to be fair, you did say the Fony assumed your girl was accomplishing less when he said nothing of the sort.. He said, factually that she will be surrounded by non black women who have no or less trouble getting men and it's true. So the argument about black women grinding affecting their dating is false, if other women are just as smart and busy but do fine on average.


Yes, but there's another aspect to it that I've already mentioned, that he's conveniently ignored.

They DO have to grind harder than most other races and that's because of the obstacles that come with being black and being a woman.

White women have roadblocks only on the basis of gender. Asian women have roadblocks only on the basis of gender. Black women have both.
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Funbazooka
05/03/18 6:13:51 PM
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Oh_Boy_
05/03/18 6:14:41 PM
#218:


Balrog0 posted...
Oh_Boy_ posted...
Black men have weak preferences in general. It literally says in the summary that they have no preference.


does that change the unique dynamic where black women mostly want to date black men and black men are more ambivalent regarding the race of their partner?

that's clearly the root of the issue. if you don't have a chip on your shoulder or a victim complex, you can read that as being a problem with black women or with black men or like no one. but it is different than it is for other races


black men are mostly and firstly going to black women though. i don't have a dog in this fight, but no data or my own lived experience living around blacks and dating the women agree with this narrative of black men being at all responsible for black women's dating woes.

the way I see it, this problem cannot be solved by blaming black men nor trying to force a change to their behavior. it seems that most black men just don't want long term relationships. IR dating has nothing to do with it since black men do not date out more than other groups on average. their numbers are completely normal and neutral.

so if we were in a problem solving mood, we've got to look for another cause.
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EliteGuard99
05/03/18 6:15:42 PM
#219:


Hmmm.

Fascinating than Asian men seem to really respond to Latino women.
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Fony
05/03/18 6:16:39 PM
#220:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Oh_Boy_ posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Fony posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
And how am I perpetuating a stereotype about black men when I've never said anything about black men? At all? Are you getting your posters mixed up?


Because you can't understand what you read. Please stop.


No, I'm pretty sure you've just lost track of the discussion.

Everything I stated applied to men as a whole, not just black men. You're already defensive lol.


to be fair, you did say the Fony assumed your girl was accomplishing less when he said nothing of the sort.. He said, factually that she will be surrounded by non black women who have no or less trouble getting men and it's true. So the argument about black women grinding affecting their dating is false, if other women are just as smart and busy but do fine on average.


Yes, but there's another aspect to it that I've already mentioned, that he's conveniently ignored.

They DO have to grind harder than most other races and that's because of the obstacles that come with being black and being a woman.

White women have roadblocks only on the basis of gender. Asian women only have roadblocks only on the basis of gender. Black women have both.


Still doesn't affect men liking women since most men don't even care about that aspect of their lives. It's not related to work/school. There are far more single black women than educated ones. Not all or even a majority of black women are grinding on that level but they still face the same hardships dating.

The only men that really penalize and devalue black women are non black, how is barking at black men going to change that?
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Balrog0
05/03/18 6:18:38 PM
#221:


Oh_Boy_ posted...
black men are mostly and firstly going to black women though. i don't have a dog in this fight, but no data or my own lived experience living around blacks and dating the women agree with this narrative of black men being at all responsible for black women's dating woes.


I never one time said that, either! I didn't even suggest it. Unless you count posting information from pew on intermarriage rates some kind of punishable offense like Fony does, the only argument I've made so far is that black womens dating woes isn't explained by men being intimidated by them because they are career and goal oriented. So it's crazy to me that there seems to be some defensiveness here.

Oh_Boy_ posted...
the way I see it, this problem cannot be solved by blaming black men nor trying to force a change to their behavior. it seems that most black men just don't want long term relationships. IR dating has nothing to do with it since black men do not date out more than other groups on average. their numbers are completely normal and neutral.

so if we were in a problem solving mood, we've got to look for another cause.


again, who said that it could or that we should try to do that?

Fony just ratcheted up the vitriol in the conversation unnecessarily for you to think that's the angle. If anything I'm more inclined tin my personal opinion to think black women are 'conditioned' to want to date intraracially more than women of other races but I seriously doubt we'll ever be able to discuss that rationally if you can't even point out what numbers look like in good faith
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DifferentialEquation
05/03/18 6:19:54 PM
#222:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Fony posted...
When white virgins try to solve black dating issues.


I'm a black guy dating a black woman right now (I've been dating black women pretty exclusively since 2013 actually).

I've actually seen in every single black girl I've dated that there's something in them that makes them a grinder and fighter, moreso than with other girls I've dated.


Is it possible the you've gotten older and more mature, and thus you tend to end up dating women with those qualities and that the women you're dating are older and more mature (and thus more likely to have those qualities) as opposed to black women just somehow being superior to other women?
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Fony
05/03/18 6:20:59 PM
#223:


DifferentialEquation posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Fony posted...
When white virgins try to solve black dating issues.


I'm a black guy dating a black woman right now (I've been dating black women pretty exclusively since 2013 actually).

I've actually seen in every single black girl I've dated that there's something in them that makes them a grinder and fighter, moreso than with other girls I've dated.


Is it possible the you've gotten older and more mature, and thus you tend to end up dating women with those qualities and that the women you're dating are older and more mature (and thus more likely to have those qualities) as opposed to black women just somehow being superior to other women?


He probably does what everyone does, looking for that long term so he strongly prefers someone of his own background. Like most black men.
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bobaban
05/03/18 6:22:57 PM
#224:


Not surprising really. How many of your boys are like I wanna date/marry a black girl? Few, at best.

For me, I would date/marry if she was really hot. Not some average or ghetto girl, which is why I think the numbers are skewed like this because this is likely the image you conjure up when thinking of a black girl due to the media.
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Howl
05/03/18 6:23:09 PM
#225:


The problem is obviously toxic maculininty in males dating preferences and internalized misogyny in black females dating preferences. That's why males are afraid to date black women and black women are afraid to date men who they view as less masculine than stereotypical black men
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Oh_Boy_
05/03/18 6:23:43 PM
#226:


Balrog0 posted...
Oh_Boy_ posted...
black men are mostly and firstly going to black women though. i don't have a dog in this fight, but no data or my own lived experience living around blacks and dating the women agree with this narrative of black men being at all responsible for black women's dating woes.


I never one time said that, either! I didn't even suggest it. Unless you count posting information from pew on intermarriage rates some kind of punishable offense like Fony does, the only argument I've made so far is that black womens dating woes isn't explained by men being intimidated by them because they are career and goal oriented. So it's crazy to me that there seems to be some defensiveness here.

Oh_Boy_ posted...
the way I see it, this problem cannot be solved by blaming black men nor trying to force a change to their behavior. it seems that most black men just don't want long term relationships. IR dating has nothing to do with it since black men do not date out more than other groups on average. their numbers are completely normal and neutral.

so if we were in a problem solving mood, we've got to look for another cause.


again, who said that it could or that we should try to do that?

Fony just ratcheted up the vitriol in the conversation unnecessarily for you to think that's the angle. If anything I'm more inclined tin my personal opinion to think black women are 'conditioned' to want to date intraracially more than women of other races but I seriously doubt we'll ever be able to discuss that rationally if you can't even point out what numbers look like in good faith


You said black men's preferences were "clearly the root of the issue" and the numbers say that they aren't.
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 6:23:51 PM
#227:


Fony posted...
The only men that really penalize and devalue black women are non black, how is barking at black men going to change that?


I have seen many black men put down black women. But that's besides the point, because not once have I claimed this was exclusive to black men and not once have I claimed they're the biggest perpetrators of this. I've never even claimed that it was a widespread epidemic.

The topic claimed that men of all races found black women undesirable and I offered my reasoning for that. Somehow, you went on this big tangent about throwing black men under the bus, when I've never pinned the problem on them.
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Balrog0
05/03/18 6:24:50 PM
#228:


Oh_Boy_ posted...
You said black men's preferences were "clearly the root of the issue" and the numbers say that they aren't.


does that change the unique dynamic where black women mostly want to date black men and black men are more ambivalent regarding the race of their partner?

that's clearly the root of the issue.


you've got to be arguing in really bad faith to interpret it that way especially after I explained my opinion to you
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 6:28:28 PM
#229:


Fony posted...
Still doesn't affect men liking women since most men don't even care about that aspect of their lives. It's not related to work/school. There are far more single black women than educated ones. Not all or even a majority of black women are grinding on that level but they still face the same hardships dating.


Yes. And those women are seen as out-of-shape. Obnoxious. Ghetto. The same men also wouldn't like women from other races that are like that.

But that doesn't explain why a guy can come face to face with a beautiful, educated black woman and still insist that he doesn't find black women appealing.

Part of it is what Admiral said, people have grown up on stereotypes about black women. Part of it is because they don't match traditional Western standards of beauty. And I believe another part of it is what I said earlier.
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Fony
05/03/18 6:31:25 PM
#230:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Fony posted...
The only men that really penalize and devalue black women are non black, how is barking at black men going to change that?


I have seen many black men put down black women. But that's besides the point, because not once have I claimed this was exclusive to black men and not once have I claimed they're the biggest perpetrators of this. I've never even claimed that it was a widespread epidemic.

The topic claimed that men of all races found black women undesirable and I offered my reasoning for that. Somehow, you went on this big tangent about throwing black men under the bus, when I've never pinned the problem on them.


The opposite is also true though. Black women have several online communities dedicated to not only bashing black men, but IR dating themselves. You did throw black men under the bus by internalizing a stereotype about black women and about black men and assuming black men didn't like educated women. And you're perpetrating more with your poor reading and reasoning skills, just stop. You're a bad look.

Black women struggle because a lot of men look down on them, plain and simple. Besides that, there are some valid reasons men have. But don't assign attributes to black women that men are OK with in white women but somehow not for them. That's BS. Smart, dumb, pretty, ugly, fat, skinny, short, tall...black women are all in the same boat as far as most guys are concerned. You see it here every day with these guys posting "attractive black women" who are all mixed race and look ambiguous.
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Fony
05/03/18 6:32:37 PM
#231:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Fony posted...
Still doesn't affect men liking women since most men don't even care about that aspect of their lives. It's not related to work/school. There are far more single black women than educated ones. Not all or even a majority of black women are grinding on that level but they still face the same hardships dating.


Yes. And those women are seen as out-of-shape. Obnoxious. Ghetto. The same men also wouldn't like women from other races that are like that.

But that doesn't explain why a guy can come face to face with a beautiful, educated black woman and still insist that he doesn't find black women appealing.

Part of it is what Admiral said, people have grown up on stereotypes about black women. Part of it is because they don't match traditional Western standards of beauty. And I believe another part of it is what I said earlier.


More stereotyping. So black women who aren't in high education are ghetto? LMAO! Honestly, you'd find more pretty black women outside of a college than in it.
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FrisbeeDude
05/03/18 6:33:26 PM
#232:


Besides that, there are some valid reasons men have

Such as?
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Funbazooka
05/03/18 6:33:46 PM
#233:


I've heard of some black women out there deciding they only want white guys. I've seen the pics too... proving their devotion. It's pretty hot.
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Fony
05/03/18 6:34:22 PM
#234:


FrisbeeDude posted...
Besides that, there are some valid reasons men have

Such as?


Subjective and up to the men...or is that not allowed?
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FrisbeeDude
05/03/18 6:34:51 PM
#235:


Fony posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
Besides that, there are some valid reasons men have

Such as?


Subjective and up to the men...or is that not allowed?


I just thought you had a few. Do you not?
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 6:37:16 PM
#236:


Fony posted...
You did throw black men under the bus by internalizing a stereotype about black women and about black men and assuming black men didn't like educated women.


Please show me where I said specifically black men don't like educated women. Please. Quote it.

Fony posted...
The opposite is also true though. Black women have several online communities dedicated to not only bashing black men, but IR dating themselves.


Okay....and?
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 6:38:35 PM
#237:


Fony posted...
More stereotyping. So black women who aren't in high education are ghetto?


I posted...
And those women are seen as out-of-shape. Obnoxious. Ghetto.


Again, more putting words in my mouth.

For someone quick to call somebody out on reading comprehension, you sure seem to be lacking.

If you can't tell the difference between me stating something as fact and me stating how somebody perceives something, then there is no intelligent discussion to be had here.
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Fony
05/03/18 6:39:54 PM
#238:


Look. Most men do not like black women, because they are black. Besides the fatties and ones who perpetrate stereotypes, the decent ones are still struggling. It's not because of any reason you can make up, it is because they are black women and everyone dislikes them.

Also the dynamic between men and women is the only reason why more black men are married, dating and in interracial relationships. Because MEN seek out women and simply put, less men are seeking out black women while non black females are more receptive to being with black men in whatever amount than the reverse.

Are you going to clone and spawn a few million more black men to solve this problem? Enslave black men's will to only ever reciprocate interest from black w omen? Eh? Replace white women with black women in society's eyes? Maybe it can't be solved at all, but at least be honest and stay on track. Stop making shit up, and if you care so much do something about it(approach black women).
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Fony
05/03/18 6:42:18 PM
#239:


FrisbeeDude posted...
Fony posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
Besides that, there are some valid reasons men have

Such as?


Subjective and up to the men...or is that not allowed?


I just thought you had a few. Do you not?


Anything I would reject a black woman for, goes for all women. The women themselves and how they shake up with those qualities is not my problem.
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FrisbeeDude
05/03/18 6:42:26 PM
#240:


"Men have valid reasons for not liking black women"

"Such as"

"Dunno, but I know they have them and I know they're valid...did you know black women have online forums dedicated to bashing black men?"

Lmao good talk
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FrisbeeDude
05/03/18 6:43:49 PM
#241:


Fony posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
Fony posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
Besides that, there are some valid reasons men have

Such as?


Subjective and up to the men...or is that not allowed?


I just thought you had a few. Do you not?


Anything I would reject a black woman for, goes for all women. The women themselves and how they shake up with those qualities is not my problem.


So men have valid reasons for rejecting black women, but you judge all women the same...cool? That doesn't answer the question
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Fony
05/03/18 6:44:19 PM
#242:


A white man wanting a white family is not a valid reason to not date black women?
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 6:44:45 PM
#243:


Fony posted...
A white man wanting a white family is not a valid reason to not date black women?


Uhh.......no? Not unless you're on some blatant racist "keep the family pure" type shit.
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Fony
05/03/18 6:46:30 PM
#244:


So men have valid reasons for rejecting black women, but you judge all women the same...cool? That doesn't answer the question


The question about valid reasons wasn't aimed at me, it was for men in general and there could be any reason. It's their personal choice.

I already stated my reasons for rejecting women...and they don't vary by race. Fat, religious, ugly, i'm not into that. There is literally nothing that I would hold against a black woman, that I would accept from a non black one.
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Fony
05/03/18 6:47:16 PM
#245:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Fony posted...
A white man wanting a white family is not a valid reason to not date black women?


Uhh.......no? Not unless you're on some blatant racist "keep the family pure" type shit.


Yet "keep it black" is a valid reason for us. Like I said, you're a bad look for black men.
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 6:47:58 PM
#246:


Fony posted...
So men have valid reasons for rejecting black women, but you judge all women the same...cool? That doesn't answer the question


The question about valid reasons wasn't aimed at me, it was for men in general and there could be any reason. It's their personal choice.

I already stated my reasons for rejecting women...and they don't vary by race. Fat, religious, ugly, i'm not into that. There is literally nothing that I would hold against a black woman, that I would accept from a non black one.


Okay but he asked you why do men specifically not like black women
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 6:48:24 PM
#247:


Fony posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Fony posted...
A white man wanting a white family is not a valid reason to not date black women?


Uhh.......no? Not unless you're on some blatant racist "keep the family pure" type shit.


Yet "keep it black" is a valid reason for us. Like I said, you're a bad look for black men.


I don't think that's a valid reason either. What the fuck are you talking about?
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FrisbeeDude
05/03/18 6:50:12 PM
#248:


Fony posted...
So men have valid reasons for rejecting black women, but you judge all women the same...cool? That doesn't answer the question


The question about valid reasons wasn't aimed at me, it was for men in general and there could be any reason. It's their personal choice.

I already stated my reasons for rejecting women...and they don't vary by race. Fat, religious, ugly, i'm not into that. There is literally nothing that I would hold against a black woman, that I would accept from a non black one.


You made a claim "men have valid reasons for rejecting black women", yet have no basis for proving the validity of those reasons beyond "well that's just their opinion"

Cool
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Fony
05/03/18 6:54:14 PM
#249:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Fony posted...
So men have valid reasons for rejecting black women, but you judge all women the same...cool? That doesn't answer the question


The question about valid reasons wasn't aimed at me, it was for men in general and there could be any reason. It's their personal choice.

I already stated my reasons for rejecting women...and they don't vary by race. Fat, religious, ugly, i'm not into that. There is literally nothing that I would hold against a black woman, that I would accept from a non black one.


Okay but he asked you why do men specifically not like black women


I answered that if you look above.
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/03/18 6:56:02 PM
#250:


Fony posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Fony posted...
So men have valid reasons for rejecting black women, but you judge all women the same...cool? That doesn't answer the question


The question about valid reasons wasn't aimed at me, it was for men in general and there could be any reason. It's their personal choice.

I already stated my reasons for rejecting women...and they don't vary by race. Fat, religious, ugly, i'm not into that. There is literally nothing that I would hold against a black woman, that I would accept from a non black one.


Okay but he asked you why do men specifically not like black women


I answered that if you look above.


Ah yes, the ever enlightening "They don't like black women because they don't like black women".
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Fony
05/03/18 6:56:19 PM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Fony posted...
So men have valid reasons for rejecting black women, but you judge all women the same...cool? That doesn't answer the question


The question about valid reasons wasn't aimed at me, it was for men in general and there could be any reason. It's their personal choice.

I already stated my reasons for rejecting women...and they don't vary by race. Fat, religious, ugly, i'm not into that. There is literally nothing that I would hold against a black woman, that I would accept from a non black one.


You made a claim "men have valid reasons for rejecting black women", yet have no basis for proving the validity of those reasons beyond "well that's just their opinion"

Cool


Because outside of racial bias, any reason they have is completely their own business and if it works or doesn't work for them then so be it.
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