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Peace___Frog
05/03/18 12:30:49 PM
#403:


It's not the affair, it's the use of campaign funds in ways that are expressly forbidden under campaign finance laws.

Recall, it doesn't matter what you think of those laws. It doesn't matter if Trump knew about them or not. Ignorance of the law is no defense for breaking it. He broke the law and should be punished accordingly.
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Corrik
05/03/18 12:32:22 PM
#404:


Peace___Frog posted...
It's not the affair, it's the use of campaign funds in ways that are expressly forbidden under campaign finance laws.

Recall, it doesn't matter what you think of those laws. It doesn't matter if Trump knew about them or not. Ignorance of the law is no defense for breaking it. He broke the law and should be punished accordingly.

Which has not in any way been proven or even been criminal accused of. I mean, if he did it, they will surely find it and charge him accordingly. Until then, people are just jumping the gun.

Edit: This is the same thing I saw many on the right say in regards to Hillary and finance laws. We saw where all that led up to. Hell, we still see those pointless articles even now. I have learned my lesson on this shit already. If something isn't criminally charged, no reason to pay any mind to it. A lot of political jockeying and sensational reporting goes on which obscures shit ridiculously.

I have zero doubt Trump is guilty of crimes somewhere in his past. He may even be guilty of crimes somewhere in these endless investigations going on now. I just am not going to sit here and act like he is guilty of a criminal crime or something right now based on some statements about a NDA in a consensual affair case about whether Stormy owes him 20 million dollars or if he defamed her or not.

If a prosecutor can get evidence to proceed with a criminal charge regarding something, then I will consider it a serious allegation.
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SupremeZero
05/03/18 12:35:20 PM
#405:


Peace___Frog posted...
It's not the affair, it's the use of campaign funds in ways that are expressly forbidden under campaign finance laws.

Recall, it doesn't matter what you think of those laws. It doesn't matter if Trump knew about them or not. Ignorance of the law is no defense for breaking it. He broke the law and should be punished accordingly.

But what if the laws get changed while he's in prison.
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Corrik
05/03/18 12:40:13 PM
#406:


SupremeZero posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
It's not the affair, it's the use of campaign funds in ways that are expressly forbidden under campaign finance laws.

Recall, it doesn't matter what you think of those laws. It doesn't matter if Trump knew about them or not. Ignorance of the law is no defense for breaking it. He broke the law and should be punished accordingly.

But what if the laws get changed while he's in prison.

Then according to some here, he should be reinstated as President for the rest of his term or something or another if it was changed to not be a crime. lol
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Corrik
05/03/18 12:45:39 PM
#407:


https://tinyurl.com/yashq5fu

How have I never heard about this until now and how isn't this a hate crime???
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trdl23
05/03/18 1:13:40 PM
#408:


Corrik posted...
https://tinyurl.com/yashq5fu

How have I never heard about this until now and how isn't this a hate crime???

It was a big deal as Charlottesville was in the spotlight, just not as big of a deal as the car attack.
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Jakyl25
05/03/18 1:29:34 PM
#409:


banananor posted...
it's also kind of ridiculous to think that allegations of a consensual affair would tank the campaign when a bunch of assault accusations didn't


She has Trump dick pics
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Corrik
05/03/18 1:31:20 PM
#410:


Jakyl25 posted...
banananor posted...
it's also kind of ridiculous to think that allegations of a consensual affair would tank the campaign when a bunch of assault accusations didn't


She has Trump dick pics

If she does, so what?
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Jakyl25
05/03/18 1:35:09 PM
#411:


Corrik posted...
https://tinyurl.com/yashq5fu

How have I never heard about this until now and how isn't this a hate crime???


How tuned in were you to all the ins and outs of the Charlottesville rally?

http://pvp.trb.com/3690581438001/2017/08/3690581438001_5540155572001_image-1502672651228.jpg?pubId=3690581438001

This image was circulated fairly regularly around the time of the violence, including in these topics
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HaRRicH
05/03/18 1:35:57 PM
#412:


Dancedreamer posted...
So today is National Day of Prayer.

Wonder how that'd work out if our President was a Muslim or a Satanist. But for some reason it's perfectly okay if the President is a Christian.


I thought we had a national day of prayer on Labor Day after Texas had Hurricane Harvey. Are we having more of these days now?
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Jakyl25
05/03/18 1:36:36 PM
#413:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
banananor posted...
it's also kind of ridiculous to think that allegations of a consensual affair would tank the campaign when a bunch of assault accusations didn't


She has Trump dick pics

If she does, so what?


Thats why Trump would care more about this one being damaging to him than the assault accusations. Not saying anything about criminality, just responding to banananors statement
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lordloki12
05/03/18 1:37:42 PM
#414:


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/386082-federal-investigators-wiretapped-cohens-phones-report

So at least 1 call from the White House to Cohen was picked up with the wire tap during their investigation into him. I look forward to the inevitable trump twitter rant.
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HaRRicH
05/03/18 1:39:33 PM
#415:


9/1/2017
WKBW - President Trump signs declaration making Sunday a 'National Day of Prayer'

President Trump signed a proclamation on Friday declaring Sunday a "National Day of Prayer" for the state of Texas in the wake of Hurricane Harvey.

http://www.wkbw.com/weather/president-trump-signs-declaration-making-sunday-a-national-day-of-prayer

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Peace___Frog
05/03/18 1:48:01 PM
#416:


lordloki12 posted...
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/386082-federal-investigators-wiretapped-cohens-phones-report

So at least 1 call from the White House to Cohen was picked up with the wire tap during their investigation into him. I look forward to the inevitable trump twitter rant.

Oh boy
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Jakyl25
05/03/18 1:52:15 PM
#417:


Well according to the source article, the one call between Trump and Cohen that NBC is reporting for sure that the investigation has is just one where Trump calls and Cohen tells him never call me again because theyre recording these calls. <_<
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Corrik
05/03/18 1:54:52 PM
#418:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
https://tinyurl.com/yashq5fu

How have I never heard about this until now and how isn't this a hate crime???


How tuned in were you to all the ins and outs of the Charlottesville rally?

http://pvp.trb.com/3690581438001/2017/08/3690581438001_5540155572001_image-1502672651228.jpg?pubId=3690581438001

This image was circulated fairly regularly around the time of the violence, including in these topics

I guess not very much. I don't remember it personally.
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Corrik
05/03/18 1:56:57 PM
#419:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
banananor posted...
it's also kind of ridiculous to think that allegations of a consensual affair would tank the campaign when a bunch of assault accusations didn't
.

She has Trump dick pics

If she does, so what?


Thats why Trump would care more about this one being damaging to him than the assault accusations. Not saying anything about criminality, just responding to banananors statement

If it is true he considers the Cohen raid more damaging, I think it is for other things not related to Stormy Daniels. And surely even if about Stormy, I highly doubt dick pics are high on the list of caring.

Edit: And dick pics damaging to his presidency? Hell, in this age, it basically makes him more relatable. Probably 75% of America or more at this point has sent genital pics lol. Not like it would have been a minor or something he sent them to.
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Jakyl25
05/03/18 2:03:03 PM
#420:


But what if he thinks the pics are...unimpressive
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lordloki12
05/03/18 2:04:00 PM
#421:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
banananor posted...
it's also kind of ridiculous to think that allegations of a consensual affair would tank the campaign when a bunch of assault accusations didn't
.

She has Trump dick pics

If she does, so what?


Thats why Trump would care more about this one being damaging to him than the assault accusations. Not saying anything about criminality, just responding to banananors statement

If it is true he considers the Cohen raid more damaging, I think it is for other things not related to Stormy Daniels. And surely even if about Stormy, I highly doubt dick pics are high on the list of caring.

Edit: And dick pics damaging to his presidency? Hell, in this age, it basically makes him more relatable. Probably 75% of America or more at this point has sent genital pics lol. Not like it would have been a minor or something he sent them to.


Poor Anthony Wiener, was just a few years ahead of his time.
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Corrik
05/03/18 2:05:33 PM
#422:


lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
banananor posted...
it's also kind of ridiculous to think that allegations of a consensual affair would tank the campaign when a bunch of assault accusations didn't
.

She has Trump dick pics

If she does, so what?


Thats why Trump would care more about this one being damaging to him than the assault accusations. Not saying anything about criminality, just responding to banananors statement

If it is true he considers the Cohen raid more damaging, I think it is for other things not related to Stormy Daniels. And surely even if about Stormy, I highly doubt dick pics are high on the list of caring.

Edit: And dick pics damaging to his presidency? Hell, in this age, it basically makes him more relatable. Probably 75% of America or more at this point has sent genital pics lol. Not like it would have been a minor or something he sent them to.


Poor Anthony Wiener, was just a few years ahead of his time.

I assume this is a pun in relation to sending his to underage girls! Lol
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Jakyl25
05/03/18 2:06:56 PM
#423:


Also Corrik has dick pics confirmed
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Corrik
05/03/18 2:07:27 PM
#424:


Jakyl25 posted...
But what if he thinks the pics are...unimpressive

He has the very best dick pics. Nobody has a greater dick pic. Just ask his doctor and photographer! Lmfaoaoaoaoao.
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Corrik
05/03/18 2:08:08 PM
#425:


Jakyl25 posted...
Also Corrik has dick pics confirmed

Of course I have sent some. I'd lean to you lying if you told me you never have. Lol
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Dancedreamer
05/03/18 2:08:24 PM
#426:


HaRRicH posted...
I thought we had a national day of prayer on Labor Day after Texas had Hurricane Harvey. Are we having more of these days now?


First Thursday in May has been "National Day of Prayer" since 1952. Secular Humanists decided to make that same day "National Day of Reason" in 2003. Of course it never quite caught on.
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Jakyl25
05/03/18 2:08:47 PM
#427:


No I have.

Only upon request though!
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lordloki12
05/03/18 2:10:16 PM
#428:


Jakyl25 posted...
Well according to the source article, the one call between Trump and Cohen that NBC is reporting for sure that the investigation has is just one where Trump calls and Cohen tells him never call me again because theyre recording these calls. <_<


Yeah the link I had posted seems to have been a breaking news placeholder. I love that Giuliani's reaction to the possibility of calling into a lawyer under surveillance is more concerned with attorney client privilege and not that you're dealing with a criminal.
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Corrik
05/03/18 2:10:50 PM
#429:


Jakyl25 posted...
No I have.

Only upon request though!

God damn if anyone finds out there goes your political hopes!

Haha
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Jakyl25
05/03/18 2:12:14 PM
#430:


I figured the prostitution solicitation would have already killed them
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Shaduln
05/03/18 2:12:41 PM
#431:


I still think sending dick pics/nudes is dumb. With how digital media is nowadays, it's getting out there.

So no, I haven't sent or received any naked pictures.
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Corrik
05/03/18 2:14:45 PM
#432:


Can you imagine how wild a presidency it would be if Trump were somehow caught ironclad criminally. Got impeached. And before his time was up got us Tax Cuts, a booming economy with longest continuous gain in history and lowest unemployment in 80 years, peace in Korea, defeated ISIS, and brought our forces home from Syria while getting a Nobel Peace Prize?

That would be like an almost best case scenario ever for a presidential legacy.

Almost... Obamacare was the one thing he needed to do before he got impeached. And congressional term limits would have been bonus points.
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Peace___Frog
05/03/18 2:15:33 PM
#433:


Ok, mwc
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Dancedreamer
05/03/18 2:17:27 PM
#434:


Evangelicals are nothing if not hypocrites. Prostitution is okay so long as you're a Christian who opposes a woman's right to choose.

Imagine if Hillary Clinton was caught having an affair with James Deen. And then it came out that her lawyer paid him to keep quiet about it. You wouldn't stop hearing about it until 2020, even with her losing the election. Maybe not until 2024 or 2028.
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Corrik
05/03/18 2:19:34 PM
#435:


Dancedreamer posted...
Evangelicals are nothing if not hypocrites. Prostitution is okay so long as you're a Christian who opposes a woman's right to choose.

Imagine if Hillary Clinton was caught having an affair with James Deen. And then it came out that her lawyer paid him to keep quiet about it. You wouldn't stop hearing about it until 2020, even with her losing the election. Maybe not until 2024 or 2028.

Evangelicals would probably be heavily considering jumping ship if they didn't think your candidate was a babykiller all the time.

Drop pro-abortion and you could probably syphon a lot of them.

Adultery and such does not rate as high as murder of babies to many religious folk.

You can't cry about Evangelical votes when your stances alienate them innately.
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Not_an_Owl
05/03/18 2:25:37 PM
#436:


Corrik posted...
Evangelicals would probably be heavily considering jumping ship if they didn't think your candidate was a babykiller all the time.

Drop pro-abortion and you could probably syphon a lot of them.

While immediately alienating the Democratic base, yes.

It's the fundamental problem with American politics - our electoral system only supports two relevant parties while the peoples' beliefs cry out for three or more.
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Jakyl25
05/03/18 2:25:42 PM
#437:


Corrik posted...

Adultery and such does not rate as high as murder of babies to many religious folk.


Arent all sins equal in the eyes of God?
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lordloki12
05/03/18 2:25:45 PM
#438:


Corrik posted...
lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
banananor posted...
it's also kind of ridiculous to think that allegations of a consensual affair would tank the campaign when a bunch of assault accusations didn't
.

She has Trump dick pics

If she does, so what?


Thats why Trump would care more about this one being damaging to him than the assault accusations. Not saying anything about criminality, just responding to banananors statement

If it is true he considers the Cohen raid more damaging, I think it is for other things not related to Stormy Daniels. And surely even if about Stormy, I highly doubt dick pics are high on the list of caring.

Edit: And dick pics damaging to his presidency? Hell, in this age, it basically makes him more relatable. Probably 75% of America or more at this point has sent genital pics lol. Not like it would have been a minor or something he sent them to.


Poor Anthony Wiener, was just a few years ahead of his time.

I assume this is a pun in relation to sending his to underage girls! Lol


Not really a pun. Weiner resigned from congress after the 1st dick pic scandal when he was caught sending links for his pics to an adult woman. A couple years later it happened again during a failed mayoral race. The underage girl wasnt until 5 years after his resignation from congress. So yeah in 2011 dick pics to another adult was enough to force your resignation from congress but today it would apparently be no big deal. Well if he had that R next to his name at least.
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Jakyl25
05/03/18 2:26:45 PM
#439:


Corrik posted...

Drop pro-abortion and you could probably syphon a lot of them.

Adultery and such does not rate as high as murder of babies to many religious folk.

You can't cry about Evangelical votes when your stances alienate them innately.


What if it comes out that Trump has paid for an abortion?
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Not_an_Owl
05/03/18 2:27:31 PM
#440:


Jakyl25 posted...
What if it comes out that Trump has paid for an abortion?

As long as he didn't get or perform one himself the Evangelicals will stand by him.
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Corrik
05/03/18 2:28:18 PM
#441:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...

Adultery and such does not rate as high as murder of babies to many religious folk.


Arent all sins equal in the eyes of God?

"Homicidium enim dicitur maius peccatum quam adulterium, non quia magis corrumpat bonum naturale animae, sed quia magis removet bonitatem ipsius actus: plus autem contrariantur caritatis bono." [61040] De malo, q. 1 a. 1 ad 13

(For homicide is said to be a greater sin than adultery, not because it more greatly corrupts the natural good of the soul, but because it more greatly removes the good of the act itself.)

Saint Thomas Aquinas, pray for us.

I doubt it is in the eyes of evangelicals. You completely snuffed out a soul and life instead of wrong one.
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lordloki12
05/03/18 2:28:29 PM
#442:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...

Drop pro-abortion and you could probably syphon a lot of them.

Adultery and such does not rate as high as murder of babies to many religious folk.

You can't cry about Evangelical votes when your stances alienate them innately.


What if it comes out that Trump has paid for an abortion?


Obviously we would get the lawful neutral pivot.
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Corrik
05/03/18 2:29:10 PM
#443:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
Evangelicals would probably be heavily considering jumping ship if they didn't think your candidate was a babykiller all the time.

Drop pro-abortion and you could probably syphon a lot of them.

While immediately alienating the Democratic base, yes.

It's the fundamental problem with American politics - our electoral system only supports two relevant parties while the peoples' beliefs cry out for three or more.

This is the truth but neither party will allow it because splitting gives the alternate power guarranteed wins.
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Corrik
05/03/18 2:30:38 PM
#444:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...

Drop pro-abortion and you could probably syphon a lot of them.

Adultery and such does not rate as high as murder of babies to many religious folk.

You can't cry about Evangelical votes when your stances alienate them innately.


What if it comes out that Trump has paid for an abortion?

Evangelicals would be in a tight spot. Though I would assume they would prefer the repented baby killer over the baby killer advocate. Depends I guess.
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TheRock1525
05/03/18 2:32:28 PM
#445:


"Pro-abortion" is a really disingenuous way to frame it. I doubt the vast, vast majority of pro-choice people are like "yay abortions!"
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Jakyl25
05/03/18 2:32:29 PM
#446:


Also no President is gonna change abortion rights anyway so its purely a moral issue

Or do you think evangelicals believe Roe v Wade can actually be overturned based on who is in office?
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Regaro
05/03/18 2:32:39 PM
#447:


Holy shit

Corrik literally said "pro-abortion"?

Literally nobody is "pro-abortion", you ignorant piece of shit
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TheRock1525
05/03/18 2:33:35 PM
#448:


Jakyl25 posted...
Also no President is gonna change abortion rights anyway so its purely a moral issue

Or do you think evangelicals believe Roe v Wade can actually be overturned based on who is in office?


I mean, Iowa literally tried to pass a law hoping that Trump will appoint another conservative judge to overturn Roe v. Wade.
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Regaro
05/03/18 2:33:40 PM
#449:


Like, if that's not a reason to completely ignore the fact that this scum even exists, you're dumb.
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Jakyl25
05/03/18 2:34:01 PM
#450:


TheRock1525 posted...
"Pro-abortion" is a really disingenuous way to frame it. I doubt the vast, vast majority of pro-choice people are like "yay abortions!"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIgSTjzrmRg" data-time="

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Jakyl25
05/03/18 2:35:04 PM
#451:


TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Also no President is gonna change abortion rights anyway so its purely a moral issue

Or do you think evangelicals believe Roe v Wade can actually be overturned based on who is in office?


I mean, Iowa literally tried to pass a law hoping that Trump will appoint another conservative judge to overturn Roe v. Wade.


Ha, true. But I think theyre sorely mistaken if they think SCOTUS would actually overturn it
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LordoftheMorons
05/03/18 2:36:45 PM
#452:


I really doubt Roberts would straight up overturn Roe even if Kennedy is replaced. Eat away at the edges, maybe.
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