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Dragon239
04/27/18 9:25:03 PM
#51:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Skills in regard how to talk people down when they are having psychotic breaks from their condition? Were you expecting something else?

Like what, though?
How does it differ from "Don't be aggressive, stay calm. Don't grab at them, use weapons, or threaten them. Use your words." which is something that applies to everything for violence avoidance and is essentially "common sense"?
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scorpion41
04/27/18 9:28:22 PM
#52:


Antifar posted...
First off, the people responding to mental health crises probably shouldn't be the people trained to arrest violent criminals


Who else are you sending in? Paramedics who arent trained in restraint? Schizophrenics are violent individuals and should be treated as such until they are restrained properly. And yes Ive dealt with several with my work.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/27/18 9:42:04 PM
#53:


Dragon239 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Skills in regard how to talk people down when they are having psychotic breaks from their condition? Were you expecting something else?

Like what, though?
How does it differ from "Don't be aggressive, stay calm. Don't grab at them, use weapons, or threaten them. Use your words." which is something that applies to everything for violence avoidance and is essentially "common sense"?


Having more fucking patience first of all. Many disgusting intelligence-lacking shitposts have occurred since my initial posts that have ignored the fact that I would find this police department liable for his death because it was senseless. I never argued that the cops involved were qualified to handle the situation. Schizophrenia is not an easy condition to respond to. Unless you are an under-rock dweller, you have at least SOME idea of this. A good boy was a user I previously held in high regard but now he's on par with hoth and various suspended people which is unfortunate as fuck because he is someone I would never expected to fall into that catacomb, but he did because he refuses to just jump on Wikipedia and read up on a semi-common, long known about but still highly controversial condition that is absolutely notorious for forcing situations that are just not black and white. I hate to see users I've supported and admired let themselves down like that. You? I don't know you. I have no opinion of you prior to this encounter. I had A_Good_Boy on a pedastal before and now I can't distinguish him from a shit-flinging simian. Maybe those conservatrolls were right about liberal posters...

Sorry... I don't mean that. I've had a bit to drink, I feel like I'm slipping. Maybe I will have fresh perspective later, after he helps me to better understand Schizophrenia based on his expertise of it.
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FrenchCrunch
04/27/18 9:46:32 PM
#54:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Having more fucking patience first of all.

so common sense
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/27/18 9:47:18 PM
#55:


FrenchCrunch posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Having more fucking patience first of all.

so common sense


I never agree with you. In this case I do.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/27/18 9:48:57 PM
#56:


Wtf be quiet
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/27/18 9:51:11 PM
#57:


Shut the fuck up
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EverDownward
04/27/18 9:51:13 PM
#58:


I'm still trying to find all the facts here, gimme me a while.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/27/18 9:51:50 PM
#59:


I'm not hoth
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FrenchCrunch
04/27/18 9:58:24 PM
#60:


hurray im recognized
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LightningAce11
04/27/18 10:13:44 PM
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Cops should be held to extremely high standards. They are law enforcement and can be responsible for people's lives.
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KiwiTerraRizing
04/27/18 10:16:51 PM
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Those cops are murderers, they need to be in prison.
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Drunken_Idiot
04/27/18 10:17:12 PM
#64:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
As much as I want to shit all over the cops for this like most "...at the hands of police" topics here... I actually feel inclined to agree with the statement about complex circumstances. While it is terrible that this happened and the end result was the guy dying, Schizophrenia is some serious shit and from what I'm reading, the cops were justified in entering the apartment as they did. It sounds like they were a bit quick to resort to tazing and the situation could clearly have been handled in a better fashion, but if the responding cops weren't trained/prepared to handle someone with his condition, I don't see this as criminal. On the other hand, if a civil suit is launched against the department, I would expect them to rightfully be found liable in the man's death.


I agree with this. I was pissed reading this, and Im normally pro cop. I hope they launch a civil suit and find these officers responsible for his death.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/27/18 10:21:38 PM
#65:


A_Good_Boy posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
You've never dealt with a schizophrenic person.

I don't need training to avoid kicking down someone's door. I don't need training to know not to yank someone out of the shower. I don't need training to know not to beat someone for failing to respond to me. I don't need training to taze someone in the shower 18 times. I don't need training to know not to break someone's ribs and give them a black eye. I don't need training to know not to give an otherwise unresponsive individual one last conciliation taze just for good measure. All of those things seem like common sense and it's pretty appalling that anyone would need a training course on how to avoid doing those things to someone.


Is schizophrenia more like minor sinus congestion or a bruise on the pinkie toe? Just curious about your level of knowledge on the subject...

I'm not seeing any rebuttals. I'll wait for you to tell me why I'm wrong.


You have one more chance to read up on his condition and understand why I'm not so quick to automatically condemn police. After that, you lose someone you don't want to lose. I offer nothing else to you.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/27/18 10:22:54 PM
#66:


Wherethisfeom posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Dragon239 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Skills in regard how to talk people down when they are having psychotic breaks from their condition? Were you expecting something else?

Like what, though?
How does it differ from "Don't be aggressive, stay calm. Don't grab at them, use weapons, or threaten them. Use your words." which is something that applies to everything for violence avoidance and is essentially "common sense"?


Having more fucking patience first of all. Many disgusting intelligence-lacking shitposts have occurred since my initial posts that have ignored the fact that I would find this police department liable for his death because it was senseless. I never argued that the cops involved were qualified to handle the situation. Schizophrenia is not an easy condition to respond to. Unless you are an under-rock dweller, you have at least SOME idea of this. A good boy was a user I previously held in high regard but now he's on par with hoth and various suspended people which is unfortunate as fuck because he is someone I would never expected to fall into that catacomb, but he did because he refuses to just jump on Wikipedia and read up on a semi-common, long known about but still highly controversial condition that is absolutely notorious for forcing situations that are just not black and white. I hate to see users I've supported and admired let themselves down like that. You? I don't know you. I have no opinion of you prior to this encounter. I had A_Good_Boy on a pedastal before and now I can't distinguish him from a shit-flinging simian. Maybe those conservatrolls were right about liberal posters...

Sorry... I don't mean that. I've had a bit to drink, I feel like I'm slipping. Maybe I will have fresh perspective later, after he helps me to better understand Schizophrenia based on his expertise of it.

lol you sound like you have some severe schizophrenia right now. Did you get hacked by hoth?


You didn't even quote my posts where I actually legit emulated hoth lol >_>
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/27/18 10:23:41 PM
#67:


Drunken_Idiot posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
As much as I want to shit all over the cops for this like most "...at the hands of police" topics here... I actually feel inclined to agree with the statement about complex circumstances. While it is terrible that this happened and the end result was the guy dying, Schizophrenia is some serious shit and from what I'm reading, the cops were justified in entering the apartment as they did. It sounds like they were a bit quick to resort to tazing and the situation could clearly have been handled in a better fashion, but if the responding cops weren't trained/prepared to handle someone with his condition, I don't see this as criminal. On the other hand, if a civil suit is launched against the department, I would expect them to rightfully be found liable in the man's death.


I agree with this. I was pissed reading this, and I?m normally pro cop. I hope they launch a civil suit and find these officers responsible for his death.


I like your username.

FUCK I didn't mean to emulate hoth this time. I swear to shit.
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Mistere Man
04/27/18 10:29:18 PM
#68:


Question if it was a medical emergency shouldnt ambulance workers have been the ones going in? So much with this seems/is wrong, and sickening.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/27/18 10:30:16 PM
#69:


Mistere Man posted...
Question if it was a medical emergency shouldn?t ambulance workers have been the ones going in? So much with this seems/is wrong, and sickening.


They were. It says that he was given sedatives by paramedics.
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masticatingman
04/27/18 10:59:34 PM
#70:


Antifar has already said all cops are bastards in other threads, hes not trying to foster legitimate discussion guys. Stop biting
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Paper_Okami
04/27/18 11:01:42 PM
#71:


masticatingman posted...
Antifar has already said all cops are bastards in other threads, hes not trying to foster legitimate discussion guys. Stop biting


He's not wrong
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Patchwork
04/27/18 11:05:01 PM
#72:


Pretty terrible.
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Antifar
04/27/18 11:05:42 PM
#73:


masticatingman posted...
Antifar has already said all cops are bastards in other threads, hes not trying to foster legitimate discussion guys. Stop biting

What is the legitimate discussion you would like to have here?
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Phantom_Nook
04/27/18 11:16:13 PM
#74:


I'm suddenly reminded of the movie The Gauntlet.
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Axiom
04/27/18 11:22:25 PM
#75:


masticatingman posted...
Antifar has already said all cops are bastards in other threads, hes not trying to foster legitimate discussion guys. Stop biting

Lol what. Why does his motive even matter when he just posted a link to something that happened. At least he doesn't try to provoke people like Mal Fet or Admiral
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DarkChozoGhost
04/27/18 11:38:47 PM
#76:


I would be modded if I said what those cops deserve to have happen to them.
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SSMajinVegeta2
04/28/18 12:18:19 AM
#77:


Disgusting human beings
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Drunken_Idiot
04/28/18 12:18:49 AM
#78:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
I like your username.

FUCK I didn't mean to emulate hoth this time. I swear to shit.


Thanks. I chose it as an oxymoron.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/28/18 12:29:19 AM
#79:


Drunken_Idiot posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
I like your username.

FUCK I didn't mean to emulate hoth this time. I swear to shit.


Thanks. I chose it as an oxymoron.


And you got the context right. I agree that's it's an oxymoron :)
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Kill_Marxism
04/28/18 1:02:30 AM
#80:


So, more libbies talking out of their asses again? You anti-coppers really need to grow up
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I4NRulez
04/28/18 2:15:08 AM
#81:


"Hey im worried this guy might hurt himself"

Cops: Lets go hurt him first then!
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hockeybub89
04/28/18 2:36:55 AM
#82:


I4NRulez posted...
"Hey im worried this guy might hurt himself"

Cops: Lets go hurt him first then!

"We're trying to get you help! But we need to sedate you with tazers and punches first!"
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Patchwork
04/28/18 2:38:35 AM
#83:


Being tased sucks pretty bad tbh
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Knowledge_King
04/28/18 10:28:47 AM
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Give 'em the death penalty.
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Terra-enforcer
04/28/18 10:31:55 AM
#86:


Where are the usual suspects who always defend the Police in these scenarios?
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SubtletyRefuge
04/30/18 5:01:42 AM
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Third world country type shit
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Grischnak
04/30/18 5:25:00 AM
#88:


Finding it hard to get outraged. The tl;dr version of the story is: Crazy guy was going crazy and got repeatedly tazed because he wasn't submitting and was fighting the cops. Hell, he tried to steal the taser and also tried to bite the cops. I mean...come on. It's unfortunate he died but this isn't exactly a "cops shot a random guy in the back for no reason" sort of thing.
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thelovefist
04/30/18 5:31:53 AM
#89:


There are a couple of noteworthy facts for the outrage brigade:
1. The medical examiner said the cause of death was inconclusive and that the sedatives provided by first response may have played a part.
2. This poor man was clearly having a psychotic break. What should have been done? He was a threat to himself and others.
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SubtletyRefuge
05/01/18 9:07:23 PM
#90:


shockthemonkey posted...
Yikes

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thronedfire2
05/06/18 10:48:28 AM
#93:


Grischnak posted...
Finding it hard to get outraged. The tl;dr version of the story is: Crazy guy was going crazy and got repeatedly tazed because he wasn't submitting and was fighting the cops. Hell, he tried to steal the taser and also tried to bite the cops. I mean...come on. It's unfortunate he died but this isn't exactly a "cops shot a random guy in the back for no reason" sort of thing.


They broke into the guys house while was in the shower. He probably didnt even realize they were cops
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MKScorpion
05/06/18 11:24:34 AM
#94:


Paper_Okami posted...
Why are cops held to such low fucking standards


Because people blindly defend their every action
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apocalyptic_4
05/06/18 12:02:56 PM
#95:


Anyone search to see if the victim had a criminal background?

Overdo books at the library would be warrant enough to un paid parking tickets.
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Grischnak
05/06/18 8:58:58 PM
#96:


thronedfire2 posted...
Grischnak posted...
Finding it hard to get outraged. The tl;dr version of the story is: Crazy guy was going crazy and got repeatedly tazed because he wasn't submitting and was fighting the cops. Hell, he tried to steal the taser and also tried to bite the cops. I mean...come on. It's unfortunate he died but this isn't exactly a "cops shot a random guy in the back for no reason" sort of thing.


They broke into the guys house while was in the shower. He probably didnt even realize they were cops


What does that even mean? If a bunch of cops storm my bathroom I'm not gonna think like "Oh no it's burglars!". The cops being cops wasn't a secret. The guy had severe mental health issues and wouldn't calm down. Like I said, it's unfortunate he died but he wasn't some harmless, innocent kid or something. He was a crazy(literally) grown man. Someone like that getting tazed isn't unreasonable.
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MelzezDoor
05/06/18 9:03:17 PM
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thronedfire2
05/06/18 10:54:07 PM
#98:


HGrischnak posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
Grischnak posted...
Finding it hard to get outraged. The tl;dr version of the story is: Crazy guy was going crazy and got repeatedly tazed because he wasn't submitting and was fighting the cops. Hell, he tried to steal the taser and also tried to bite the cops. I mean...come on. It's unfortunate he died but this isn't exactly a "cops shot a random guy in the back for no reason" sort of thing.


They broke into the guys house while was in the shower. He probably didnt even realize they were cops


What does that even mean? If a bunch of cops storm my bathroom I'm not gonna think like "Oh no it's burglars!". The cops being cops wasn't a secret. The guy had severe mental health issues and wouldn't calm down. Like I said, it's unfortunate he died but he wasn't some harmless, innocent kid or something. He was a crazy(literally) grown man. Someone like that getting tazed isn't unreasonable.


I dont think you understand what schizophrenia does to someones mind
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Grischnak
05/07/18 1:54:49 AM
#99:


thronedfire2 posted...
I dont think you understand what schizophrenia does to someones mind


What's your point? If you're going to argue that then what does them "breaking in" to his house while he was in the shower have to do with anything? If he was so out of it that he was incapable of comprehending what police are then it really doesn't matter if they "broke in" or he was in the shower or what. Even if he answered the door for them if that was his state of mind then nothing would have changed. Like I said, crazy guy was going crazy. I don't say that to be mean. It's sad. But people like that can be extremely dangerous. You can't just let someone like that do whatever they want and hope everything turns out ok. Something has to be done and tazing is a better option then shooting him in the face.
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andel
05/07/18 2:02:10 PM
#100:


these cops should absolutely be charged criminally. beating the guy is indefensible and tazing him that many times is indefensible, fuck those mouth breathing troglodytes
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