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Dragon239 04/27/18 9:25:03 PM #51: |
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Skills in regard how to talk people down when they are having psychotic breaks from their condition? Were you expecting something else? Like what, though? How does it differ from "Don't be aggressive, stay calm. Don't grab at them, use weapons, or threaten them. Use your words." which is something that applies to everything for violence avoidance and is essentially "common sense"? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scorpion41 04/27/18 9:28:22 PM #52: |
Antifar posted...
First off, the people responding to mental health crises probably shouldn't be the people trained to arrest violent criminals Who else are you sending in? Paramedics who arent trained in restraint? Schizophrenics are violent individuals and should be treated as such until they are restrained properly. And yes Ive dealt with several with my work. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 04/27/18 9:42:04 PM #53: |
Dragon239 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...Skills in regard how to talk people down when they are having psychotic breaks from their condition? Were you expecting something else? Having more fucking patience first of all. Many disgusting intelligence-lacking shitposts have occurred since my initial posts that have ignored the fact that I would find this police department liable for his death because it was senseless. I never argued that the cops involved were qualified to handle the situation. Schizophrenia is not an easy condition to respond to. Unless you are an under-rock dweller, you have at least SOME idea of this. A good boy was a user I previously held in high regard but now he's on par with hoth and various suspended people which is unfortunate as fuck because he is someone I would never expected to fall into that catacomb, but he did because he refuses to just jump on Wikipedia and read up on a semi-common, long known about but still highly controversial condition that is absolutely notorious for forcing situations that are just not black and white. I hate to see users I've supported and admired let themselves down like that. You? I don't know you. I have no opinion of you prior to this encounter. I had A_Good_Boy on a pedastal before and now I can't distinguish him from a shit-flinging simian. Maybe those conservatrolls were right about liberal posters... Sorry... I don't mean that. I've had a bit to drink, I feel like I'm slipping. Maybe I will have fresh perspective later, after he helps me to better understand Schizophrenia based on his expertise of it. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrenchCrunch 04/27/18 9:46:32 PM #54: |
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Having more fucking patience first of all. so common sense ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 04/27/18 9:47:18 PM #55: |
FrenchCrunch posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...Having more fucking patience first of all. I never agree with you. In this case I do. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 04/27/18 9:48:57 PM #56: |
Wtf be quiet
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ImTheMacheteGuy 04/27/18 9:51:11 PM #57: |
Shut the fuck up
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EverDownward 04/27/18 9:51:13 PM #58: |
I'm still trying to find all the facts here, gimme me a while.
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ImTheMacheteGuy 04/27/18 9:51:50 PM #59: |
I'm not hoth
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FrenchCrunch 04/27/18 9:58:24 PM #60: |
hurray im recognized
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LightningAce11 04/27/18 10:13:44 PM #62: |
Cops should be held to extremely high standards. They are law enforcement and can be responsible for people's lives.
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KiwiTerraRizing 04/27/18 10:16:51 PM #63: |
Those cops are murderers, they need to be in prison.
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Drunken_Idiot 04/27/18 10:17:12 PM #64: |
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
As much as I want to shit all over the cops for this like most "...at the hands of police" topics here... I actually feel inclined to agree with the statement about complex circumstances. While it is terrible that this happened and the end result was the guy dying, Schizophrenia is some serious shit and from what I'm reading, the cops were justified in entering the apartment as they did. It sounds like they were a bit quick to resort to tazing and the situation could clearly have been handled in a better fashion, but if the responding cops weren't trained/prepared to handle someone with his condition, I don't see this as criminal. On the other hand, if a civil suit is launched against the department, I would expect them to rightfully be found liable in the man's death. I agree with this. I was pissed reading this, and Im normally pro cop. I hope they launch a civil suit and find these officers responsible for his death. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 04/27/18 10:21:38 PM #65: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...A_Good_Boy posted...ImTheMacheteGuy posted... You have one more chance to read up on his condition and understand why I'm not so quick to automatically condemn police. After that, you lose someone you don't want to lose. I offer nothing else to you. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 04/27/18 10:22:54 PM #66: |
Wherethisfeom posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...Dragon239 posted...ImTheMacheteGuy posted...Skills in regard how to talk people down when they are having psychotic breaks from their condition? Were you expecting something else? You didn't even quote my posts where I actually legit emulated hoth lol >_> --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 04/27/18 10:23:41 PM #67: |
Drunken_Idiot posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...As much as I want to shit all over the cops for this like most "...at the hands of police" topics here... I actually feel inclined to agree with the statement about complex circumstances. While it is terrible that this happened and the end result was the guy dying, Schizophrenia is some serious shit and from what I'm reading, the cops were justified in entering the apartment as they did. It sounds like they were a bit quick to resort to tazing and the situation could clearly have been handled in a better fashion, but if the responding cops weren't trained/prepared to handle someone with his condition, I don't see this as criminal. On the other hand, if a civil suit is launched against the department, I would expect them to rightfully be found liable in the man's death. I like your username. FUCK I didn't mean to emulate hoth this time. I swear to shit. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mistere Man 04/27/18 10:29:18 PM #68: |
Question if it was a medical emergency shouldnt ambulance workers have been the ones going in? So much with this seems/is wrong, and sickening.
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ImTheMacheteGuy 04/27/18 10:30:16 PM #69: |
Mistere Man posted...
Question if it was a medical emergency shouldn?t ambulance workers have been the ones going in? So much with this seems/is wrong, and sickening. They were. It says that he was given sedatives by paramedics. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masticatingman 04/27/18 10:59:34 PM #70: |
Antifar has already said all cops are bastards in other threads, hes not trying to foster legitimate discussion guys. Stop biting
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Paper_Okami 04/27/18 11:01:42 PM #71: |
masticatingman posted...
Antifar has already said all cops are bastards in other threads, hes not trying to foster legitimate discussion guys. Stop biting He's not wrong --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Patchwork 04/27/18 11:05:01 PM #72: |
Pretty terrible.
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Antifar 04/27/18 11:05:42 PM #73: |
masticatingman posted...
Antifar has already said all cops are bastards in other threads, hes not trying to foster legitimate discussion guys. Stop biting What is the legitimate discussion you would like to have here? --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Phantom_Nook 04/27/18 11:16:13 PM #74: |
I'm suddenly reminded of the movie The Gauntlet.
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Axiom 04/27/18 11:22:25 PM #75: |
masticatingman posted...
Antifar has already said all cops are bastards in other threads, hes not trying to foster legitimate discussion guys. Stop biting Lol what. Why does his motive even matter when he just posted a link to something that happened. At least he doesn't try to provoke people like Mal Fet or Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkChozoGhost 04/27/18 11:38:47 PM #76: |
I would be modded if I said what those cops deserve to have happen to them.
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SSMajinVegeta2 04/28/18 12:18:19 AM #77: |
Disgusting human beings
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Drunken_Idiot 04/28/18 12:18:49 AM #78: |
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
I like your username. Thanks. I chose it as an oxymoron. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 04/28/18 12:29:19 AM #79: |
Drunken_Idiot posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...I like your username. And you got the context right. I agree that's it's an oxymoron :) --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kill_Marxism 04/28/18 1:02:30 AM #80: |
So, more libbies talking out of their asses again? You anti-coppers really need to grow up
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I4NRulez 04/28/18 2:15:08 AM #81: |
"Hey im worried this guy might hurt himself"
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hockeybub89 04/28/18 2:36:55 AM #82: |
I4NRulez posted...
"Hey im worried this guy might hurt himself" "We're trying to get you help! But we need to sedate you with tazers and punches first!" --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Patchwork 04/28/18 2:38:35 AM #83: |
Being tased sucks pretty bad tbh
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Knowledge_King 04/28/18 10:28:47 AM #85: |
Give 'em the death penalty.
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Terra-enforcer 04/28/18 10:31:55 AM #86: |
Where are the usual suspects who always defend the Police in these scenarios?
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SubtletyRefuge 04/30/18 5:01:42 AM #87: |
Third world country type shit
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Grischnak 04/30/18 5:25:00 AM #88: |
Finding it hard to get outraged. The tl;dr version of the story is: Crazy guy was going crazy and got repeatedly tazed because he wasn't submitting and was fighting the cops. Hell, he tried to steal the taser and also tried to bite the cops. I mean...come on. It's unfortunate he died but this isn't exactly a "cops shot a random guy in the back for no reason" sort of thing.
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thelovefist 04/30/18 5:31:53 AM #89: |
There are a couple of noteworthy facts for the outrage brigade:
1. The medical examiner said the cause of death was inconclusive and that the sedatives provided by first response may have played a part. 2. This poor man was clearly having a psychotic break. What should have been done? He was a threat to himself and others. --- N/A ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SubtletyRefuge 05/01/18 9:07:23 PM #90: |
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Yikes --- Real subtle ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 05/06/18 10:48:28 AM #93: |
Grischnak posted...
Finding it hard to get outraged. The tl;dr version of the story is: Crazy guy was going crazy and got repeatedly tazed because he wasn't submitting and was fighting the cops. Hell, he tried to steal the taser and also tried to bite the cops. I mean...come on. It's unfortunate he died but this isn't exactly a "cops shot a random guy in the back for no reason" sort of thing. They broke into the guys house while was in the shower. He probably didnt even realize they were cops --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MKScorpion 05/06/18 11:24:34 AM #94: |
Paper_Okami posted...
Why are cops held to such low fucking standards Because people blindly defend their every action ... Copied to Clipboard!
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apocalyptic_4 05/06/18 12:02:56 PM #95: |
Anyone search to see if the victim had a criminal background?
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Grischnak 05/06/18 8:58:58 PM #96: |
thronedfire2 posted...
Grischnak posted...Finding it hard to get outraged. The tl;dr version of the story is: Crazy guy was going crazy and got repeatedly tazed because he wasn't submitting and was fighting the cops. Hell, he tried to steal the taser and also tried to bite the cops. I mean...come on. It's unfortunate he died but this isn't exactly a "cops shot a random guy in the back for no reason" sort of thing. What does that even mean? If a bunch of cops storm my bathroom I'm not gonna think like "Oh no it's burglars!". The cops being cops wasn't a secret. The guy had severe mental health issues and wouldn't calm down. Like I said, it's unfortunate he died but he wasn't some harmless, innocent kid or something. He was a crazy(literally) grown man. Someone like that getting tazed isn't unreasonable. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MelzezDoor 05/06/18 9:03:17 PM #97: |
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thronedfire2 05/06/18 10:54:07 PM #98: |
HGrischnak posted...
thronedfire2 posted...Grischnak posted...Finding it hard to get outraged. The tl;dr version of the story is: Crazy guy was going crazy and got repeatedly tazed because he wasn't submitting and was fighting the cops. Hell, he tried to steal the taser and also tried to bite the cops. I mean...come on. It's unfortunate he died but this isn't exactly a "cops shot a random guy in the back for no reason" sort of thing. I dont think you understand what schizophrenia does to someones mind --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Grischnak 05/07/18 1:54:49 AM #99: |
thronedfire2 posted...
I dont think you understand what schizophrenia does to someones mind What's your point? If you're going to argue that then what does them "breaking in" to his house while he was in the shower have to do with anything? If he was so out of it that he was incapable of comprehending what police are then it really doesn't matter if they "broke in" or he was in the shower or what. Even if he answered the door for them if that was his state of mind then nothing would have changed. Like I said, crazy guy was going crazy. I don't say that to be mean. It's sad. But people like that can be extremely dangerous. You can't just let someone like that do whatever they want and hope everything turns out ok. Something has to be done and tazing is a better option then shooting him in the face. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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andel 05/07/18 2:02:10 PM #100: |
these cops should absolutely be charged criminally. beating the guy is indefensible and tazing him that many times is indefensible, fuck those mouth breathing troglodytes
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