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Hardcore_Adult
04/26/18 3:41:31 PM
#352:


Hopefully the Rumble, the thing everyone came to SEE!
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RaidenZeroX
04/26/18 4:10:19 PM
#353:


Does the winner of the rumble actually get anything? I haven't heard of title shots or anything other than bragging rights.
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lgnis
04/26/18 4:15:22 PM
#354:


RaidenZeroX posted...
Does the winner of the rumble actually get anything? I haven't heard of title shots or anything other than bragging rights.


A trophy.....
Yay....
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ScareChan
04/26/18 4:49:03 PM
#355:


They could show a women's match in screen during the prayer hour
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illuminatusbubu
04/26/18 4:53:29 PM
#356:


I hope Finn comes out in his rainbow jacket
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ffmasterjose
04/26/18 5:05:46 PM
#357:


Apparently the prayer break is only gonna be 15 minutes.
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ffmasterjose
04/26/18 5:09:46 PM
#358:


ScareChan posted...
They could show a women's match in screen during the prayer hour


Best idea I saw was "WWE 24: Women's Evolution"
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LiquidOshawott
04/26/18 5:50:36 PM
#359:


I dunno what to expect from a 50 man match, but Im hoping for surprise Sabu
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Hardcore_Adult
04/26/18 5:55:26 PM
#360:


illuminatusbubu posted...
I hope Finn comes out in his rainbow jacket


Jeez, why not just have him wipe his bum with a particular holy book?
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ScareChan
04/26/18 6:18:02 PM
#361:


Is this version of cena vs trips the biggest decorated head to head bout in kayfabe?
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Eddv
04/26/18 6:30:53 PM
#362:


So I was catching up on the major Impact plot beats via youtube and ended up getting autoplayed into some of Grado in ICW.

Holy shit is he over in Scotland.
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XIII_rocks
04/26/18 6:35:02 PM
#363:


Yes

Like 50 titles between them
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Hardcore_Adult
04/26/18 6:38:16 PM
#364:


Wonder if Cena will actually be cheered.
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lgnis
04/26/18 6:54:17 PM
#365:


ScareChan posted...
Is this version of cena vs trips the biggest decorated head to head bout in kayfabe?


Sting vs Flair in 2011.
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Jakyl25
04/26/18 7:01:40 PM
#366:


And then the Greatest Royal Rumble will probably be the overall most decorated match in history
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ScareChan
04/26/18 7:04:31 PM
#367:


lgnis posted...
ScareChan posted...
Is this version of cena vs trips the biggest decorated head to head bout in kayfabe?


Sting vs Flair in 2011.


What do they have compared to cena and trips?

Because decoration includes stuff like rumble and mitb as well
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Jakyl25
04/26/18 7:06:45 PM
#368:


Sting is gonna REALLY depend on what you count
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Eddv
04/26/18 7:17:31 PM
#369:


What weight do you put on TNA accomplishments first of all.
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ScareChan
04/26/18 7:23:03 PM
#370:


If it's a trophy or elite accomplishment or significant specialty match situation. It can be flexible

Like personally I would count edge winning mitb as one thing, but also give him credit for cashing in and then bump value of that slightly for it being the first ever in both and against super cena. But I would only use that to justify like why I would give him an edge against someone close to him in comparison. For something like what I am asking just looking for the actual decoration and no weight further
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XIII_rocks
04/26/18 7:23:30 PM
#371:


Even with everything, Cena/HHH have 30 world titles between them and have drawn more for longer than at least Sting did.
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Jakyl25
04/26/18 7:28:26 PM
#372:


If you count TNA, Sting + Flair is also 30 World Titles depending on your True Flair count. Mine is 18.
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XIII_rocks
04/26/18 7:29:43 PM
#373:


Right but the fact that its dubious instantly closes the debate

"Whether you count TNA" shuts the conversation down, because there's no debate as to whether you count WWE.
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Eddv
04/26/18 7:38:47 PM
#374:


XIII_rocks posted...
Even with everything, Cena/HHH have 30 world titles between them and have drawn more for longer than at least Sting did.


Well you wanna argue drawing power, Sting probably barely ever drew a dime, and Trips claims are dubious but exist for 2002-2005 at least and this becomes who was the superior box office draw between Flair and Cena and by how much which isnt a question i feel qualified to answer.

If you wanna argue made up accolades, its Cena and Trips even at peak Sting I would think.
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Jakyl25
04/26/18 7:41:53 PM
#375:


Eddv posted...

Well you wanna argue drawing power, Sting probably barely ever drew a dime, and Trips claims are dubious but exist for 2002-2005 at least and this becomes who was the superior box office draw between Flair and Cena and by how much which isnt a question i feel qualified to answer.

If you wanna argue made up accolades, its Cena and Trips even at peak Sting I would think.


Flair > Cena > Trips >>> Sting
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XIII_rocks
04/26/18 7:42:21 PM
#376:


"Most decorated" implies wrestling accolades which Cena/HHH take

I added drawing power because it strengthens the argument for Cena/HHH

Sting really drags it down - Meltzer still doesn't think he really should be in the WO HoF which is very telling
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Jakyl25
04/26/18 7:46:37 PM
#377:


Top draws by decade based on attendance drawn

1980 - 1989: 1. Hulk Hogan; 2. Ric Flair; 3. Andre the Giant; 4. Bob Backlund; 5. Randy Savage; 6. Road Warriors; 7. Antonio Inoki; 8. Roddy Piper; 9. Harley Race, Sgt. Slaughter, Paul Orndorff

1990 - 1999: 1. Konnan; 2. Shinya Hashimoto; 3. Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair; 5. Perro Aguayo; 6. Keiji Muto; 7. Undertaker; 8. Bret Hart; 9. Steve Austin; 10. Nobuhiko Takada

2000 - 2009: 1. HHH; 2. Mistico; 3. John Cena; 4. The Rock; 5. Perro Aguayo Jr.; 6. Kurt Angle; 7. Ultimo Guerrero; 8. Randy Orton; 9. Kenta Kobashi and Chris Benoit

And since 2010 Cena has definitely passed Triple H
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lgnis
04/26/18 8:06:35 PM
#378:


Jakyl25 posted...
Sting is gonna REALLY depend on what you count


Sting has 14 I believe World Titles..

Flair has 22 at least and probably 25 or 26.

It's literally not close, Royal Rumbles (which Flair has mind you, the most known ever on top of it), so it's 3 Royal Rumble vs like an additional 9 or 10 World Titles.

Being that there are only 11 people ever with 9 World Titles, that's an enormous difference.
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Jakyl25
04/26/18 8:10:15 PM
#379:


Oh and if you want The Greatest Bruno Tribute:

1960 - 1969: 1. Bruno Sammartino; 2. Gene Kiniski; 3. Dick the Bruiser; 4. Johnny Valentine; 5. Lou Thesz; 6. Buddy Rogers; 7. Giant Baba; 8. Ray Stevens; 9. Bobo Brazil; 10. Fritz Von Erich

1970 - 1979: 1. Bruno Sammartino; 2. The Sheik; 3. Superstar Billy Graham; 4. Andre the Giant; 5. Pedro Morales; 6. Harley Race; 7. The Crusher; 8. Dory Funk Jr. and Ernie Ladd; 10. Dick the Bruiser
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Eddv
04/26/18 9:12:34 PM
#380:


Jakyl25 posted...
1990 - 1999: 1. Konnan; 2. Shinya Hashimoto; 3. Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair; 5. Perro Aguayo; 6. Keiji Muto; 7. Undertaker; 8. Bret Hart; 9. Steve Austin; 10. Nobuhiko Takada


Fucking Konnan
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Maniac64
04/26/18 9:18:30 PM
#381:


I was a big fan of Konnan back in WCW when he was basically just a midcarder. All my wrestling friends thought it was such a weird and random favorite.

I was so happy to find out how big of a deal Konnan actually was outside of WCW.
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GTM
04/26/18 10:19:25 PM
#382:


is that Sin Cara as #2?
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GTM
04/26/18 10:20:22 PM
#383:


And Benoit at #10 even not having the whole decade?
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Jakyl25
04/26/18 10:21:08 PM
#384:


Yes. He was HUGE for two years

Hes actually the biggest draw of all time thats not in the Observer Hall of Fame <_<
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UInstinctGogeta
04/26/18 10:22:46 PM
#385:


GTM posted...
And Benoit at #10 even not having the whole decade?


it ALWAYS has been. The way Dave does it is borderline ********..... ant has literal actual ZERO bearing on who the fuck actually drew
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Jakyl25
04/26/18 10:22:58 PM
#386:


GTM posted...
And Benoit at #10 even not having the whole decade?


Who is someone you would expect to be above him thats not?
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UInstinctGogeta
04/26/18 10:24:08 PM
#387:


Fucking Thesz at #5 is legit absurd...

Race at 6 may be even dumber.
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Jakyl25
04/26/18 10:24:44 PM
#388:


Its actually kind of incredible that Rock is #4 only working like 3 years of the decade combined
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Eddv
04/27/18 1:05:04 AM
#389:


I am sort of amused at how Perro Aguayo and Perro Aguayo Jr have the same placement in back to back decades
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Hardcore_Adult
04/27/18 6:08:39 AM
#390:


So,.. Nash has no business talking about Who and What were/are Draws and weren't/are not!

Fuck him! Ha!
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ScareChan
04/27/18 6:51:19 AM
#391:


New prediction

Joe wins title today
Loses title to Roman at backlash

Sets up for Roman and Seth to face for ictitle
Which sets up for returning Ambrose to go after Seth and then Jordan to go after Seth or reverse order if Ambrose isn't ready

Roman keeps title and after Seth has a feud with jinder for it
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ffmasterjose
04/27/18 7:22:16 AM
#392:


I like it but what happens with Seth and Miz's title match at Backlash?
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SmartMuffin
04/27/18 9:24:42 AM
#393:


WWE just clogged my Twitter with like 50 tweets of matches happening at this event, but not a single one of them says when it actually is.

"marketing"
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04/27/18 10:05:45 AM
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Jakyl25
04/27/18 10:10:43 AM
#395:


SmartMuffin posted...
WWE just clogged my Twitter with like 50 tweets of matches happening at this event, but not a single one of them says when it actually is.

"marketing"


You mean you heard about a Casket Match and didnt immediately drop everything to find out more?
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RaidenZeroX
04/27/18 10:36:41 AM
#396:


ScareChan posted...
New prediction

Joe wins title today
Loses title to Roman at backlash

Sets up for Roman and Seth to face for ictitle
Which sets up for returning Ambrose to go after Seth and then Jordan to go after Seth or reverse order if Ambrose isn't ready

Roman keeps title and after Seth has a feud with jinder for it


Never thought of this, but Im fine with Roman having a midcard title!
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Jakyl25
04/27/18 10:46:11 AM
#397:


RaidenZeroX posted...
ScareChan posted...
New prediction

Joe wins title today
Loses title to Roman at backlash

Sets up for Roman and Seth to face for ictitle
Which sets up for returning Ambrose to go after Seth and then Jordan to go after Seth or reverse order if Ambrose isn't ready

Roman keeps title and after Seth has a feud with jinder for it


Never thought of this, but Im fine with Roman having a midcard title!


Ummm he had one earlier this year
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scarletspeed7
04/27/18 11:01:25 AM
#398:


I'm going to try to run the entire show on one of the monitors at work today. We'll see how that goes.
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scarletspeed7
04/27/18 11:02:07 AM
#399:


Holy shit. There is no floor seating.
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scarletspeed7
04/27/18 11:03:51 AM
#400:


Also, Cena-Trips as the curtain jerkers.
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EmDubyaSee
04/27/18 11:06:20 AM
#401:


scarletspeed7 posted...
I'm going to try to run the entire show on one of the monitors at work today. We'll see how that goes.


I've never done anything remotely like this plan before.

iPad 1: Team Four Star Pokmon Platinum Nuzlocke
I pad 2: Somethijg to Wrestle with Bonus show on YouTube RR 1992
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