Current Events > I've cancelled my prime account after all these amazon worker conditions stories

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LightHawKnight posted...

Aren't most clothes made via slave labor in china?

Actually, no.
Pretty much all your clothes come from Bangladesh for some reason.

Sad. Amazons working conditions are fine. Don't like it don't work there. You get paid decent $$$ to put stuff in boxes. Mindless work for high pay. Nobodys holding a gun to your head and saying "You work or you die". Automation can't come soon enough.

k darkfire posted...

I don't know why people defend Amazon so hard. Like isn't it shameful workers get paid little and treated like garbage?

No and why should it be? Time is money and if you want your items on time this is the price you pay. A happy worker is an unproductive worker. They shouldn't have time to feel anything but, work.
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Dustin1280 posted...

Honestly, I'm too apathetic to cancel something so useful because of strangers' woes.

I respect you for doing so though TC.

Hate to say it, but I agree

Love the prime. But I hate the conditions
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Questionmarktarius posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Aren't most clothes made via slave labor in china?

Actually, no.
Pretty much all your clothes come from Bangladesh for some reason.

Still slave labor somewhere right?
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Xavius posted...

No and why should it be? Time is money and if you want your items on time this is the price you pay. A happy worker is an unproductive worker. They shouldn't have time to feel anything but, work.

I don't agree with this

Are there workers they are productive but unhappy? Oh course

Are there happy but lazy workers? Absolutely

But that doesn't mean there is no way to be happy and productive
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LightHawKnight posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Aren't most clothes made via slave labor in china?

Actually, no.
Pretty much all your clothes come from Bangladesh for some reason.

Still slave labor somewhere right?

Arguably more so, since Bangladesh is apparently a hell of a lot more lax than China about building codes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Savar_building_collapse

If you want this to change, then get comfortable with paying $100+ for pants, and $8000 for a phone.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-products-would-cost-if-made-in-us-2016-11

fenderbender321 posted...

It's not slave labor. Those people are happy to have those jobs. They go to work voluntarily

Most are and the ones that aren't will be sacked. Amazon is a great place to work.

pojr posted...

Xavius posted...

No and why should it be? Time is money and if you want your items on time this is the price you pay. A happy worker is an unproductive worker. They shouldn't have time to feel anything but, work.

I don't agree with this

Are there workers they are productive but unhappy? Oh course

Are there happy but lazy workers? Absolutely

But that doesn't mean there is no way to be happy and productive

Happiness is a result of being content. A happy worker might be looking forward to going home or break. That hampers productivity. A constant fear of being sacked helps get results.
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k darkfire posted...

I don't know why people defend Amazon so hard.

Because they use it, like it, and don't want the inconvenience of cancelling their service or want to acknowledge they're supporting a scummy company.
Some people just put blinders on and ignore it, other people are so desperate to be in denial they're supporting a scummy company that they'll shill for them not to feel bad about it.
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Slip-N-Slide posted...

k darkfire posted...

I don't know why people defend Amazon so hard.

Because they use it, like it, and don't want the inconvenience of cancelling their service or want to acknowledge they're supporting a scummy company.
Some people just put blinders on and ignore it, other people are so desperate to be in denial they're supporting a scummy company that they'll shill for them not to feel bad about it.

I hope you don't use a cell phone.
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You ruined me, pinky. I dont have amazon prime, but Im suddenly finding myself looking down on anyone who uses it.

Edit: posted from my iPhone
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Xavius posted...

Sad. Amazons working conditions are fine. Don't like it don't work there. You get paid decent $$$ to put stuff in boxes. Mindless work for high pay. Nobodys holding a gun to your head and saying "You work or you die". Automation can't come soon enough.

People passing out because the warehouse is an actual sweatbox is fine working conditions?

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/amazon/mc-allentown-amazon-complaints-20110917-story.html

People being practically frisked on the way out AFTER they're off the clock(aka NOT getting paid for however long it takes) is fine working conditions?

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/business/supreme-court-rules-against-worker-pay-for-security-screenings.html

People peeing in bottles so they don't have to go use a bathroom and have their hourly piece rate drop is fine working conditions?

https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/amazon-warehouse-workers-pee-into-bottles-to-avoid-wasting-time-undercover-investigator/

You have to keep an hourly rate(100 pieces per hour) or you're fired. That's fine working conditions to you? In an actual union shop that's called PIECE RATE and you typically have the chance to make MORE per hour based on how much you produce. Not true when working at Amazon though.

http://gawker.com/inside-an-amazon-warehouse-the-relentless-need-to-mak-1780800336

Thing is I feel that the only reason so many people work at these places initially is because they don't know about the quotas and other conditions going into it. On top of that even with the conditions it may be the best job available in their area for something like that.

No and why should it be? Time is money and if you want your items on time this is the price you pay. A happy worker is an unproductive worker. They shouldn't have time to feel anything but, work.

Paying well and keeping an employee happy keeps them wanting to be productive and loyal. All that putting people on the spot to keep a set quota per hour does is make it so some packages end up packaged poorly, which leads to damaged merchandise reaching customers, which leads to customer returns and possibly that customer going elsewhere if it keeps happening.
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Like I said last time, the employee reviews of Amazon on Glassdoor are positive and don't match anything like these sweatshop stories:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Amazon-Reviews-E6036.htm

It sounds like they have high expectations, and a lot of people just can't cut it and act like victims after the fact.
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@ThrillKillFan Again, all of this seems standard fair and pretty reasonable. Time is money. Don't like it go work somewhere else. Amazon gives you 2 30 min breaks. That's crazy good. I worked fast food and often times I'd be lucky to get a 15 min break. People have to understand a Business needs to make money. If you can be easily replaced within a day you have no right to complain about unfair working conditions.

The Admiral posted...

Like I said last time, the employee reviews of Amazon on Glassdoor are positive and don't match anything like these sweatshop stories:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Amazon-Reviews-E6036.htm

It sounds like they have high expectations, and a lot of people just can't cut it and act like victims after the fact.

Sad but, understandable. You think with all these horror stories the Feds would investigate but, no it's all just hearsay. This is what you expect from lazy workers. Automation can't come soon enough.
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Its an easy job, just put shit in a box, next
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The Admiral posted...

Like I said last time, the employee reviews of Amazon on Glassdoor are positive and don't match anything like these sweatshop stories:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Amazon-Reviews-E6036.htm

It sounds like they have high expectations, and a lot of people just can't cut it and act like victims after the fact.

The impression I'm getting is that this varies hugely depending on what level you're at.
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SSJ2SocksForWok posted...

Its an easy job, just put shit in a box, next

That's too hard for the average mil-lineal. I doubt any of y'all would have lasted a day back when you had actual hard labor. Try workin at a coal mine. My dad worked 12 hours a day non-stop at a Coal mine. Not 1 fucking minute did he complain. He didn't complain when his workers died, he didn't complain when he lost his hand. My father was a real man. He knew what hard work was. None of you kids today do.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Slip-N-Slide posted...

k darkfire posted...

I don't know why people defend Amazon so hard.

Because they use it, like it, and don't want the inconvenience of cancelling their service or want to acknowledge they're supporting a scummy company.
Some people just put blinders on and ignore it, other people are so desperate to be in denial they're supporting a scummy company that they'll shill for them not to feel bad about it.

I hope you don't use a cell phone.

The problem is that there aren't alternatives that I'm aware of for some products. There are alternatives to Amazon
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RieTakahashi posted...

For every cancelled Prime membership Bezos personally whips a random worker 100 times

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fenderbender321 posted...

Yeah let's boycott Amazon so that those warehouse workers lose their job due to no business. Then they can apply for a better job somewhere.

Actually the company would more than likely make a change first than just give up and fold. If that change is what the boycotters want, they can end their boycott and everyone is happy
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Interesting. I feel bad for them. I never thought about a boycott.

Godnorgosh posted...

Xavius posted...

SSJ2SocksForWok posted...

Its an easy job, just put shit in a box, next

That's too hard for the average mil-lineal. I doubt any of y'all would have lasted a day back when you had actual hard labor. Try workin at a coal mine. My dad worked 12 hours a day non-stop at a Coal mine. Not 1 fucking minute did he complain. He didn't complain when his workers died, he didn't complain when he lost his hand. My father was a real man. He knew what hard work was. None of you kids today do.

lol, fuck romanticizing losing your hand at work and not complaining about it. I want no part of that nonsense.

I think he was being satirical. At least I hope.
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Godnorgosh posted...

Xavius posted...

SSJ2SocksForWok posted...

Its an easy job, just put shit in a box, next

That's too hard for the average mil-lineal. I doubt any of y'all would have lasted a day back when you had actual hard labor. Try workin at a coal mine. My dad worked 12 hours a day non-stop at a Coal mine. Not 1 fucking minute did he complain. He didn't complain when his workers died, he didn't complain when he lost his hand. My father was a real man. He knew what hard work was. None of you kids today do.

lol, fuck romanticizing losing your hand at work and not complaining about it. I want no part of that nonsense.

Thats the price we pay for society. People like my Father understood the meaning of sacrifice. He was glad, even proud, to give his hand for his job. I, like my father before me, am proud to work OT. I work from 8 to 10PM minimum 60-70hrs a week and am glad.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Slip-N-Slide posted...

k darkfire posted...

I don't know why people defend Amazon so hard.

Because they use it, like it, and don't want the inconvenience of cancelling their service or want to acknowledge they're supporting a scummy company.
Some people just put blinders on and ignore it, other people are so desperate to be in denial they're supporting a scummy company that they'll shill for them not to feel bad about it.

I hope you don't use a cell phone.

Oh, I'm not taking any moral stance myself. I'm not canceling Prime or stopping the convenience of shopping on Amazon. I'm just explaining why some people feel the need to defend shit like this. They can't just be apathetic, they have to do mental gymnastics to pretend they're not supporting anything morally wrong.

A good portion of what I own comes from things like sweatshops, child labor, or simply scummy workplace conditions. I can't be bothered to shed a tear for all of it. When my broke ass goes to buy something I'm thinking of what I can afford and what I need, I'm not thinking about it's backstory. And I simply save money and have a massive convenience by shopping on Amazon, where they generally have low prices, and the discounts, 2 day shipping, and video service of Prime is a great value. I'm not cancelling it.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Aren't most clothes made via slave labor in china?

Actually, no.
Pretty much all your clothes come from Bangladesh for some reason.

Still slave labor somewhere right?

Arguably more so, since Bangladesh is apparently a hell of a lot more lax than China about building codes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Savar_building_collapse

If you want this to change, then get comfortable with paying $100+ for pants, and $8000 for a phone.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-products-would-cost-if-made-in-us-2016-11

Horseshit.
http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1950fashions.html

Adjusting for inflation, pants were clearly not $100+. Plus you get higher quality materials, good-paying jobs and decent working conditions. $8000 for a phone is bullshit. Apple overcharges because of their brand. In fact, Apple is moving manufacturing over to the US because automation is becoming more and more cheap, cheaper than even Chinese workers.
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1337toothbrush posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Aren't most clothes made via slave labor in china?

Actually, no.
Pretty much all your clothes come from Bangladesh for some reason.

Still slave labor somewhere right?

Arguably more so, since Bangladesh is apparently a hell of a lot more lax than China about building codes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Savar_building_collapse

If you want this to change, then get comfortable with paying $100+ for pants, and $8000 for a phone.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-products-would-cost-if-made-in-us-2016-11

Horseshit.
http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1950fashions.html

Adjusting for inflation, pants were clearly not $100+. Plus you get higher quality materials, good-paying jobs and decent working conditions. $8000 for a phone is bullshit. Apple overcharges because of their brand. In fact, Apple is moving manufacturing over to the US because automation is becoming more and more cheap, cheaper than even Chinese workers.

http://www.retrospace.org/2015/06/catalogs-40-mens-fashion-sears-fall.html
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/301/18433735749_7c170418b0_b.jpg

the "cheap" jeans inflation out to $40.

...fine.

Yeah, not $100. I'd gladly pay some more if it meant not exploiting workers.
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