Current Events > Tesla's awful safety record comes from... Elon Musk not liking the colour Yellow

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averagejoel
04/17/18 9:01:27 AM
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Many have gone to work at Tesla inspired by CEO Elon Musk and his mission. What some found, they said, was a chaotic factory floor where speed trumped safety.

Inside Teslas electric car factory, giant red robots some named for X-Men characters heave car parts in the air, while workers wearing black toil on aluminum car bodies. Forklifts and tuggers zip by on gray-painted floors, differentiated from pedestrian walkways by another shade of gray.

Theres one color, though, that some of Teslas former safety experts wanted to see more of: yellow the traditional hue of caution used to mark hazards.

Concerned about bone-crunching collisions and the lack of clearly marked pedestrian lanes at the Fremont, California, plant, the general assembly lines then-lead safety professional went to her boss, who she said told her, Elon does not like the color yellow.

The melding of cutting-edge technology and world-saving vision is Tesla Inc.s big draw. Many, including Justine White, the safety lead, went to work there inspired by Elon Musk, a CEO with star power and now a groundbreaking rocket in space.

What she and some of her colleagues found, they said, was a chaotic factory floor where style and speed trumped safety. Musks name often was invoked to justify shortcuts and shoot down concerns, they said.

Under fire for mounting injuries, Tesla recently touted a sharp drop in its injury rate for 2017, which it says came down to meet the auto industry average of about 6.2 injuries per 100 workers.

But things are not always as they seem at Tesla. An investigation by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting found that Tesla has failed to report some of its serious injuries on legally mandated reports, making the companys injury numbers look better than they actually are.

Last April, Tarik Logan suffered debilitating headaches from the fumes of a toxic glue he had to use at the plant. He texted his mom: Im n hella pain foreal something aint right.

The searing pain became so unbearable he couldnt work, and it plagued him for weeks.

But Logans inhalation injury, as it was diagnosed, never made it onto the official injury logs that state and federal law requires companies to keep. Neither did reports from other factory workers of sprains, strains and repetitive stress injuries from piecing together Teslas sleek cars.

Instead, company officials labeled the injuries personal medical issues or minor incidents requiring only first aid, according to internal company records obtained by Reveal.

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Tesla, worth about $50 billion, employs more than 10,000 workers at its Fremont factory. Alongside the companys remarkable rise, workers have been sliced by machinery, crushed by forklifts, burned in electrical explosions and sprayed with molten metal. Tesla recorded 722 injuries last year, about two a day. The rate of serious injuries, requiring time off or a work restriction, was 30 percent worse than the previous years industry average.

Frantic growth, constant changes and lax rules, combined with a CEO whom senior managers were afraid to cross, created an atmosphere in which few dared to stand up for worker safety, the former environment, health and safety team members told Reveal.

And in addition to yellow, Musk was said to dislike too many signs in the factory and the warning beeps forklifts make when backing up, former team members said. His preferences, they said, were well known and led to cutting back on those standard safety signals.


full article:

https://www.revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is-safer-but-it-left-injuries-off-the-books/amp/

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CyricZ
04/17/18 9:08:16 AM
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Speaking as a safety consultant, this place sounds like a fucking nightmare.

Here's hoping for the surprise OSHA inspection. The woman working there has the right to call them out there anonymously.
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FaytlessHearts
04/17/18 9:10:33 AM
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Lol. One of the most influential people in the world isn't gonna care about osha..he can pay them any amount and it'll continue on. Truth of wealth.
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chrono625
04/17/18 9:10:38 AM
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averagejoel posted...
And in addition to yellow, Musk was said to dislike too many signs in the factory and the warning beeps forklifts make when backing up, former team members said. His preferences, they said, were well known and led to cutting back on those standard safety signals.


I cant believe inspectors would let him get away with this.

These are huge safety and health violations.
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MacadamianNut3
04/17/18 9:13:35 AM
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averagejoel posted...
Musks name often was invoked to justify shortcuts and shoot down concerns, they said.

So I guess it's not just Musk fans that act like a cult, it's actual employees too

Yikes
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CyricZ
04/17/18 9:14:25 AM
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chrono625 posted...
I cant believe inspectors would let him get away with this.

These are huge safety and health violations.

If you're talking about on-site safety inspectors, clearly they're unwilling to cross Musk on this. If you're talking about government inspectors, they wouldn't let him get away with this if they were worth their jobs. Honestly, California has the strictest regs in the country, so I would expect Cal/OSHA to be all over this at least.
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SageHarpuia
04/17/18 9:17:50 AM
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The dude sent his heavily customized car to float in space for eternity. He's not exactly sane.
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Tmaster148
04/17/18 9:18:10 AM
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MacadamianNut3 posted...
averagejoel posted...
Musks name often was invoked to justify shortcuts and shoot down concerns, they said.

So I guess it's not just Musk fans that act like a cult, it's actual employees too

Yikes


Who do you think are the kind people who are trying to work for him?
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TheShafter69
04/17/18 9:33:59 AM
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Elon Musk is a sodomite
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CyricZ
04/17/18 9:37:42 AM
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In the interest of transparency, here's Tesla's public response:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/not-so-revealing-story

I love the "Hey we have yellow all over the place!" and they show one sign.
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MacadamianNut3
04/17/18 9:39:54 AM
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CyricZ posted...
I love the "Hey we have yellow all over the place!" and they show one sign.

Tbf each word links to a different pic
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CyricZ
04/17/18 9:47:27 AM
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Ah my bad. Didn't realize each word was a link.

Of course, that doesn't address that caution tape should be yellow or at best yellow and black alternating. There's really no excuse for marking tape that's a different shade of gray.
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SK8T3R215
04/17/18 9:49:18 AM
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Don't worry they shutdown their Model 3 production for a week so the workers should be safe for a bit.
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Questionmarktarius
04/17/18 10:27:51 AM
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averagejoel posted...
late stage capitalism rules, actually

That would be uprooting the factory to Mexico or Bangladesh, where the labor costs are cheaper and nobody particularly cares about worker safety until the entire building collapses.
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prince_leo
04/17/18 10:45:33 AM
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MacadamianNut3 posted...
So I guess it's not just Musk fans that act like a cult, it's actual employees too

I have friends who work at SpaceX and they've all said the same thing, that unless you truly believe in him you'll burn out
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Raikuro
04/17/18 10:48:28 AM
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TheShafter69 posted...
Elon Musk is a sodomite

not that there's anything wrong with that
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Rexdragon125
04/17/18 10:50:23 AM
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Pesky workers' rights getting in the way of profits
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Questionmarktarius
04/17/18 10:53:10 AM
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CyricZ posted...
In the interest of transparency, here's Tesla's public response:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/not-so-revealing-story

I love the "Hey we have yellow all over the place!" and they show one sign.

"Heads up" - painted on the floor.
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CyricZ
04/17/18 10:56:14 AM
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Saw that, too.

Honestly I'd like a look at the place, myself. Anyone can take a few pictures showing how "great" their safety program is. I think the most telling stuff is coming from the former EHS folks that worked there quoted in that article. Hell, I can see the light gray bordering tape on the medium gray floor and that shit just does not fly.
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silentwing26x
04/17/18 10:57:49 AM
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Having worked at one of his companies, I can say with confidence that these stories are character assassination attempts and awful dishonest shit-pieces written by people who want to tear down what Tesla and SpaceX are doing. It's really bizarre how both the left and the right have their share of people who are desperate to tear down Tesla and SpaceX no matter what.
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darkjedilink
04/17/18 11:01:29 AM
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averagejoel posted...
Many have gone to work at Tesla inspired by CEO Elon Musk and his mission. What some found, they said, was a chaotic factory floor where speed trumped safety.

Inside Teslas electric car factory, giant red robots some named for X-Men characters heave car parts in the air, while workers wearing black toil on aluminum car bodies. Forklifts and tuggers zip by on gray-painted floors, differentiated from pedestrian walkways by another shade of gray.

Theres one color, though, that some of Teslas former safety experts wanted to see more of: yellow the traditional hue of caution used to mark hazards.

Concerned about bone-crunching collisions and the lack of clearly marked pedestrian lanes at the Fremont, California, plant, the general assembly lines then-lead safety professional went to her boss, who she said told her, Elon does not like the color yellow.

The melding of cutting-edge technology and world-saving vision is Tesla Inc.s big draw. Many, including Justine White, the safety lead, went to work there inspired by Elon Musk, a CEO with star power and now a groundbreaking rocket in space.

What she and some of her colleagues found, they said, was a chaotic factory floor where style and speed trumped safety. Musks name often was invoked to justify shortcuts and shoot down concerns, they said.

Under fire for mounting injuries, Tesla recently touted a sharp drop in its injury rate for 2017, which it says came down to meet the auto industry average of about 6.2 injuries per 100 workers.

But things are not always as they seem at Tesla. An investigation by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting found that Tesla has failed to report some of its serious injuries on legally mandated reports, making the companys injury numbers look better than they actually are.

Last April, Tarik Logan suffered debilitating headaches from the fumes of a toxic glue he had to use at the plant. He texted his mom: Im n hella pain foreal something aint right.

The searing pain became so unbearable he couldnt work, and it plagued him for weeks.

But Logans inhalation injury, as it was diagnosed, never made it onto the official injury logs that state and federal law requires companies to keep. Neither did reports from other factory workers of sprains, strains and repetitive stress injuries from piecing together Teslas sleek cars.

Instead, company officials labeled the injuries personal medical issues or minor incidents requiring only first aid, according to internal company records obtained by Reveal.

. . .

Tesla, worth about $50 billion, employs more than 10,000 workers at its Fremont factory. Alongside the companys remarkable rise, workers have been sliced by machinery, crushed by forklifts, burned in electrical explosions and sprayed with molten metal. Tesla recorded 722 injuries last year, about two a day. The rate of serious injuries, requiring time off or a work restriction, was 30 percent worse than the previous years industry average.

Frantic growth, constant changes and lax rules, combined with a CEO whom senior managers were afraid to cross, created an atmosphere in which few dared to stand up for worker safety, the former environment, health and safety team members told Reveal.

And in addition to yellow, Musk was said to dislike too many signs in the factory and the warning beeps forklifts make when backing up, former team members said. His preferences, they said, were well known and led to cutting back on those standard safety signals.


full article:

https://www.revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is-safer-but-it-left-injuries-off-the-books/amp/

late stage capitalism rules, actually

How is it capitalism? This company only exists because of government intervention.
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silentwing26x
04/17/18 11:02:39 AM
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Ah yes and here we go. The leftists latching on to any random person's made-up complaints about the work environment, just because the complaints affirm the left's narrative. And the rightists latching on to any amount of government funding as some indication that Tesla or SpaceX shouldn't exist.

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ReignFury
04/17/18 11:02:55 AM
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This story sounds like BS
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silentwing26x
04/17/18 11:05:24 AM
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ReignFury posted...
This story sounds like BS


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MacadamianNut3
04/17/18 11:07:09 AM
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Tell us more about questionable posters, 2010 account with 46 karma

Did a main get suspended for shitposting
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prince_leo
04/17/18 11:10:03 AM
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MacadamianNut3 posted...
Tell us more about questionable posters, 2010 account with 46 karma

Did a main get suspended for shitposting

he's never hid who his main is though
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FLUFFYGERM
04/17/18 11:11:10 AM
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Looks like it's not warned anymore. Hurray! Anyway, good work deflecting from the point MacadamianNut3. Whatever floats your anti-Tesla boner though.
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MacadamianNut3
04/17/18 11:11:42 AM
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prince_leo posted...
he's never hid who his main is though

I don't keep up with CE lore

Edit: oh look it's Proudclad. Last time it was backing up Elon' s AI claims after popping into a topic and claiming no one knew what they were talking about because he's read a few AI books by futurists, not actual researchers and now this

I should've seen this coming
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Tmaster148
04/17/18 11:12:41 AM
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silentwing26x posted...
ReignFury posted...
This story sounds like BS


Anything averagejoel posts is absolute garbage


Complains people are character assassinating Elon Musk. Shows no problem attacking others.
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Ricemills
04/17/18 11:16:15 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
"Heads up" - painted on the floor.


because it's directed towards people who has their head down while using their phone?
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Questionmarktarius
04/17/18 11:17:28 AM
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Ricemills posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
"Heads up" - painted on the floor.


because it's directed towards people who has their head down while using their phone?

...who would have their faces in their phones, and not see the floor anyway.
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FLUFFYGERM
04/17/18 11:18:00 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Ricemills posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
"Heads up" - painted on the floor.


because it's directed towards people who has their head down while using their phone?

...who would have their faces in their phones, and not see the floor anyway.
I'd venture to guess that yellow pole has struck more than one crotch.


They had the same thing at SpaceX and it actually works. A lot of people would put their phone away after walking over one, myself included.
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Bob_The_Phantom
04/17/18 11:18:46 AM
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That's fucked up
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MacadamianNut3
04/17/18 11:37:09 AM
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Tmaster148 posted...
silentwing26x posted...
ReignFury posted...
This story sounds like BS


Anything averagejoel posts is absolute garbage


Complains people are character assassinating Elon Musk. Shows no problem attacking others.

Yeah it's a bad gimmick

He attacks a poster in this topic, I attack him literally only because of this since I knew nothing about a rando alt, so then he claims I'm deflecting. He hops into a previous topic explicitly saying nobody knows what they're talking about, I give evidence that I have a background in the area, then he whines about someone trying to brag

I don't deal with cult members on the regular but even I can notice an obvious pattern. Someone vomiting out words to defend Musk any way possible and immediately forgetting what just transpired
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chrono625
04/17/18 12:05:15 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Ricemills posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
"Heads up" - painted on the floor.


because it's directed towards people who has their head down while using their phone?

...who would have their faces in their phones, and not see the floor anyway.
I'd venture to guess that yellow pole has struck more than one crotch.


Do you keep your phone 1 inch away from your face at all times?

I admittedly need to reduce the walking and phone shit I do.

I'm trying to treat it as driving.

When I'm parked I'll check messages. When I'm walking I'll pull over and stand to the side to look at something.

Walking and phone using is a legit danger, especially in large cities like New York City where people walk the streets not paying a kick of attention.
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Coffeebeanz
04/17/18 12:06:32 PM
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I'm kind of amazed that Tesla has been propped up for as long as it has.
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FLUFFYGERM
04/17/18 12:07:16 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
I'm kind of amazed that Tesla has been propped up for as long as it has.


Why? They make fantastic cars and technology in general.
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Coffeebeanz
04/17/18 12:08:55 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
I'm kind of amazed that Tesla has been propped up for as long as it has.


Why? They make fantastic cars and technology in general.


Because they don't make money

They have never made a significant yearly profit since their inception.
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Ricemills
04/17/18 12:09:08 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Ricemills posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
"Heads up" - painted on the floor.


because it's directed towards people who has their head down while using their phone?

...who would have their faces in their phones, and not see the floor anyway.
I'd venture to guess that yellow pole has struck more than one crotch.


so you want it to be:
"Heads up" - painted on the places that only visible to the people who already had their heads up?
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FLUFFYGERM
04/17/18 12:10:55 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
I'm kind of amazed that Tesla has been propped up for as long as it has.


Why? They make fantastic cars and technology in general.


Because they don't make money

They have never made a significant yearly profit since their inception.


Amazon wasn't really making any money for a long time either.
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chrono625
04/17/18 12:12:58 PM
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Tesla does make amazing products.

I'm very interested in their solar roof. So much more efficient and attractive than solar panels.
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Paper_Okami
04/17/18 12:13:27 PM
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my view on musk:

https://twitter.com/dasharez0ne/status/979871224103776256
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FLUFFYGERM
04/17/18 12:18:03 PM
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Elon Musk built companies that changed the world for the better but a literal communist like Paper_Okami has a negative opinion on him on Twitter. Someone alert the media.
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foreveraIone
04/17/18 12:19:34 PM
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imagine not wanting to blow Elon
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Paper_Okami
04/17/18 12:20:57 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Elon Musk built companies that changed the world for the better but a literal communist like Paper_Okami has a negative opinion on him on Twitter. Someone alert the media.


you didn't even look at the link i bet lol
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hockeybub89
04/17/18 12:24:09 PM
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What if... Tesla and SpaceX are great, but Elon Musk is still a jackass and attracts a cultist following?
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MacadamianNut3
04/17/18 12:25:43 PM
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Demigod Elon is gonna lead us into da future somewhere between all of the times he feels the urge to spread misinformation about AI and building cars with questionable track records when it comes to not breaking down

I've got nothing against SpaceX. Elon is indeed a jackass. Its kinda funny but im at an AI-related conference right now and 2/3 keynote speakers yesterday made the point that it should be the AI researchers themselves that help shape public perception. The third one just had a cool talk about anti-air tech that flew over my head >_>
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SK8T3R215
04/17/18 12:26:13 PM
#49:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
I'm kind of amazed that Tesla has been propped up for as long as it has.


Why? They make fantastic cars and technology in general.


Because they don't make money

They have never made a significant yearly profit since their inception.


Amazon wasn't really making any money for a long time either.


https://mobile.twitter.com/teslacharts/status/965389631595470848
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foreveraIone
04/17/18 12:26:29 PM
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MacadamianNut3 posted...
Demigod Elon is gonna lead us into da future somewhere between all of the times he feels the urge to spread misinformation about AI and building cars with questionable track records when it comes to not breaking down

when is the technological singularity coming?
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