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MetaMajik
04/16/18 11:53:01 AM
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https://www.cnet.com/news/suicide-machine-unveiled-by-euthanasia-advocate-nitschke-sarco/

"Did you know there's such a thing as a funeral fair? Well, there is, and an unsettling device had its unveiling at one in Amsterdam last week.

Dubbed a "suicide machine" by its Australian creator Philip Nitschke, the "Sarco" is a 3D-printed machine that Nitschke hopes will change the way we die. As you can see above, the Sarco is a human-sized pod which rests on a stand. In that stand sits a canister of nitrogen, which releases into the pod at the press of a button.

"The person who wants to die presses the button and the capsule is filled with nitrogen. He or she will feel a bit dizzy but will then rapidly lose consciousness and die," he told Agence France-Presse.

Nitschk describes himself as an activist for "voluntary euthanasia and rational suicide," calling them both human rights. He brought a VR experience to last week's funeral fair in Amsterdam to demonstrate the service.

"I believe [choosing when to die is] a fundamental human right. It's not just some medical privilege for the very sick. If you've got the precious gift of life, you should be able to give that gift away at the time of your choosing," he told AFP."

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Two_Dee
04/16/18 11:54:51 AM
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Damn thats pretty hxc
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MedeaLysistrata
04/16/18 11:55:17 AM
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Do you really need a pod? Wouldnt a helmet work?
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Two_Dee
04/16/18 11:55:57 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Do you really need a pod? Wouldnt a helmet work?

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SkittyOnWailord
04/16/18 11:56:55 AM
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They already had that in Futurama years ago.

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RchHomieQuanChi
04/16/18 11:57:31 AM
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literally futurama
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DesuDeku
04/16/18 11:57:59 AM
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But isn't suicide a sin?
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Tyranthraxus
04/16/18 11:59:01 AM
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MetaMajik posted...
"The person who wants to die presses the button and the capsule is filled with nitrogen. He or she will feel a bit dizzy but will then rapidly lose consciousness and die," he told Agence France-Presse.

wait. what happens to the air already in the capsule? Cause, like, that's potentially extremely painful, not just "get a little dizzy and pass out"
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kingdrake2
04/16/18 12:05:36 PM
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DesuDeku posted...
But isn't suicide a sin?


in the bible, yes it is.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/16/18 12:06:13 PM
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Stuff like this weirds me out. I'm for assisted suicide but this is a bit macabre.
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SpiritSephiroth
04/16/18 12:09:27 PM
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MetaMajik posted...
"I believe [choosing when to die is] a fundamental human right. It's not just some medical privilege for the very sick. If you've got the precious gift of life, you should be able to give that gift away at the time of your choosing," he told AFP."


This is fucking stupid. Imagine how privileged one must be to think like this. Fucking hell this pisses me off.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/16/18 12:15:46 PM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
MetaMajik posted...
"I believe [choosing when to die is] a fundamental human right. It's not just some medical privilege for the very sick. If you've got the precious gift of life, you should be able to give that gift away at the time of your choosing," he told AFP."


This is fucking stupid. Imagine how privileged one must be to think like this. Fucking hell this pisses me off.


What's dumb about it, there are a million ways an able bodied person could kill themselves if they wanted to. Isn't the point of machines like this to give the patient final agency on it.
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CarlGrimes
04/16/18 12:16:39 PM
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What about that suicide roller coaster that they thought of?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_Coaster
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EnragedSlith
04/16/18 12:19:32 PM
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kingdrake2 posted...
DesuDeku posted...
But isn't suicide a sin?


in the bible, yes it is.

Though they are super lax about it
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Kitt
04/16/18 12:28:58 PM
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Dustin1280
04/16/18 12:31:33 PM
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I don't think it's stupid at all.

If you want to take your life, their should be a way a legal "safe" way to do it.

I would just hope you strongly think about the consequences that your family, friends, and those around would have to deal with before doing so.

If you are in hospice suffering, then suicide is the GOOD option.
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KillerKhan420
04/16/18 12:43:52 PM
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Dustin1280 posted...
I don't think it's stupid at all.

If you want to take your life, their should be a way a legal "safe" way to do it.

I would just hope you strongly think about the consequences that your family, friends, and those around would have to deal with before doing so.

If you are in hospice suffering, then suicide is the GOOD option.


Yeah, there has to be a board that'll decide if your eligible for using devices like the one on the story. You can't kill yourself just because you're depressed or something, you have to be studied and terminally ill and exhausted all treatment options to be able to use the machine.
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Medussa
04/16/18 12:44:59 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
You can't kill yourself just because you're depressed or something, you have to be studied and terminally ill and exhausted all treatment options to be able to use the machine.


why?
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SpiralDrift
04/16/18 2:34:22 PM
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At least they would die doing what they loved most... dying.
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FreshSushi
04/16/18 2:35:24 PM
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whatever stops those degenerates from jumping on the tracks and wasting people's time with their worthless lives
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Kid_Buu
04/16/18 2:39:58 PM
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i gotta say

what kind of sick fuck wakes up one day and decides to industrialize SUICIDE

wtf
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RE_expert44
04/16/18 2:43:43 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
Dustin1280 posted...
I don't think it's stupid at all.

If you want to take your life, their should be a way a legal "safe" way to do it.

I would just hope you strongly think about the consequences that your family, friends, and those around would have to deal with before doing so.

If you are in hospice suffering, then suicide is the GOOD option.


Yeah, there has to be a board that'll decide if your eligible for using devices like the one on the story. You can't kill yourself just because you're depressed or something, you have to be studied and terminally ill and exhausted all treatment options to be able to use the machine.

So they get denied the painless death capsule and decide to grab a shotgun from Wally world and make a huge mess in the parking lot for everyone to see I stead.
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pinky0926
04/16/18 2:45:18 PM
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I'm in favour of this as an idea but is there a particular reason this looks like a space pod designed to take you to a distant planet in the year 4000 and not just like it's a sealed container to release gas into?
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tremain07
04/16/18 2:50:32 PM
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This is a good thing, if people want to die, let them just get in this thing instead of doing something dangerous, I only hope it means their organs are donated to save lives of people who do want to live and actually have a life worth living. Despite what people want to believe, not everyone's life has value, or can be fixed or can even be beneficial to keep living.

This is an amazing device, if they make one with an outside button they could use this for executions
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Darkman124
04/16/18 2:51:00 PM
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i wonder if it comes with a lifetime warranty
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pinky0926
04/16/18 2:52:07 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
i wonder if it comes with a lifetime warranty


heh

"Buy it for life"
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Darkman124
04/16/18 2:53:00 PM
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for sale: only used once. like new!
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KILBOTz
04/16/18 2:53:47 PM
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pinky0926
04/16/18 2:56:26 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
for sale: only used once. like new!


Jokes aside that would be kind of eerie and I think a lot of people would take issue with the idea that they were stepping into a machine that many people had died in.
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Slimfizzle
04/16/18 2:58:09 PM
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KILBOTz posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_Coaster

I'd rather go out on that.

That would be a hell of a way to go
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Howl
04/16/18 2:59:01 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
MetaMajik posted...
"The person who wants to die presses the button and the capsule is filled with nitrogen. He or she will feel a bit dizzy but will then rapidly lose consciousness and die," he told Agence France-Presse.

wait. what happens to the air already in the capsule? Cause, like, that's potentially extremely painful, not just "get a little dizzy and pass out"


The air inside the capsule doesn't have to go anywhwere. Nitrogen is just introduced to the air already there. The air inside the capsule isn't sucked out or anything. I don't really understand why you would assume that at all.
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chill02
04/16/18 3:00:58 PM
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Pepys Monster
04/16/18 3:01:28 PM
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Slimfizzle posted...
KILBOTz posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_Coaster

I'd rather go out on that.

That would be a hell of a way to go

This will be the next "challenge" kids do. Or maybe they'll do the nitrogen pod challenge in the OP.
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chill02
04/16/18 3:03:31 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
for sale: only used once. like new!


fuck, I spit my drink
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Questionmarktarius
04/16/18 3:07:02 PM
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Howl posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
MetaMajik posted...
"The person who wants to die presses the button and the capsule is filled with nitrogen. He or she will feel a bit dizzy but will then rapidly lose consciousness and die," he told Agence France-Presse.

wait. what happens to the air already in the capsule? Cause, like, that's potentially extremely painful, not just "get a little dizzy and pass out"


The air inside the capsule doesn't have to go anywhwere. Nitrogen is just introduced to the air already there. The air inside the capsule isn't sucked out or anything. I don't really understand why you would assume that at all.

Or, just a simple valve and positive pressure would replace the "air" pretty quickly.

There's nothing at all painful about it. May not even be aware of it happening at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation
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Tyranthraxus
04/16/18 4:09:50 PM
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Howl posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
MetaMajik posted...
"The person who wants to die presses the button and the capsule is filled with nitrogen. He or she will feel a bit dizzy but will then rapidly lose consciousness and die," he told Agence France-Presse.

wait. what happens to the air already in the capsule? Cause, like, that's potentially extremely painful, not just "get a little dizzy and pass out"


The air inside the capsule doesn't have to go anywhwere. Nitrogen is just introduced to the air already there. The air inside the capsule isn't sucked out or anything. I don't really understand why you would assume that at all.


Because it's an increase of air pressure injecting nitrogen into the pod. You can't just add stuff to stuff that is already there without increasing the volume. If you do, you increase the pressure dramatically.
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JustMonika
04/16/18 4:11:10 PM
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Ultima Dragon
04/16/18 4:15:31 PM
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Are there people who are against this but still support abortion? I find this to be a much more interesting comparison than the usual death penalty vs. abortion.
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Medussa
04/16/18 4:21:58 PM
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Ultima Dragon posted...
Are there people who are against this but still support abortion? I find this to be a much more interesting comparison than the usual death penalty vs. abortion.


i'm still not sure it's a great comparison (and maybe even a worse one)

one is about control over one's own life, one is about control over another's life, and the third is about both at the same time. I think each needs to be evaluated separately.

and, for the record, I'm generally ok with all three.
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NibeIungsnarf
04/16/18 4:22:08 PM
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This seems pretty psychotic. I'm all for assisted suicide, but it should be something that goes through medical and psychological assessment, not a vending machine you just step into.
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Tyranthraxus
04/16/18 4:51:45 PM
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NibeIungsnarf posted...
This seems pretty psychotic. I'm all for assisted suicide, but it should be something that goes through medical and psychological assessment, not a vending machine you just step into.


What if someone is healthy but wants to die anyway.

Like, lets just say they just hate being poor and are going to want to kill themselves no matter what as long as they're poor.

What do you do?
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NibeIungsnarf
04/16/18 5:05:58 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
This seems pretty psychotic. I'm all for assisted suicide, but it should be something that goes through medical and psychological assessment, not a vending machine you just step into.


What if someone is healthy but wants to die anyway.

Like, lets just say they just hate being poor and are going to want to kill themselves no matter what as long as they're poor.

What do you do?

I honestly don't know, but certainly I don't think that makes this any less wrong.
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refmon
04/16/18 5:09:53 PM
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This looks more futuristic than the one in Futurama
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Questionmarktarius
04/16/18 5:11:30 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Like, lets just say they just hate being poor and are going to want to kill themselves no matter what as long as they're poor.

Then you probably can't afford the suicide booth anyway.
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juicebox4
04/16/18 5:13:57 PM
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Two_Dee posted...
Damn thats pretty hxc

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PiOverlord
04/16/18 5:14:25 PM
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Why shouldn't have the right to die.

We don't get a damn choice when it comes to being given this oh, so wonderful "gift" of life. All the suffering we have, sometimes just because we're predisposed to suffer, even if our life should be all rainbows and sunshine, we shouldn't have to put up with it just because.

If someone wants to die, then they deserve that right, and using methods that are painless and clean are better than a shotgun to the head, or rope around the neck.
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yusiko
04/16/18 5:15:03 PM
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An episode of elementary had someone murdered by filling helium unto a sealed room

IIRC that episode said that helium suffocation isn't painful it just makes the person feel like they need I sleep and then they never wake up
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Questionmarktarius
04/16/18 5:16:15 PM
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yusiko posted...
An episode of elementary had someone murdered by filling helium unto a sealed room

IIRC that episode said that helium suffocation isn't painful it just makes the person feel like they need I sleep and then they never wake up

Helium is pretty expensive, though. Nitrogen is cheap.
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