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Mal_Fet 04/16/18 9:45:22 AM #51: |
Shuto-uke posted...
See, this little tactic of yours is not gonna work. You can't just pull things out of your ass and expect people not to call you out. How many kneeling football players have been assaulted by crazed right-wingers? How many anti-gun victims of school shootings? And for every one you find, I'll show you three dozen cases of crazed leftists assaulting Nazis (or people they believe are Nazis because they're pro-Trump or something). Deal? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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antfair 04/16/18 9:47:20 AM #52: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Yup. For as much as Spencer and the alt-right say that getting punched stifled their speech, it was the best thing to ever happen for their speech. Spencer disagrees https://theintercept.com/2018/03/17/richard-spencer-college-tour-antifa-alt-right/ RICHARD SPENCER ISNT having fun anymore. In a lengthy YouTube video posted on Sunday, the white nationalist announced that he would be suspending upcoming public speaking engagements and halting his controversial college tour. He said of his rallies, When they become violent clashes and pitched battles, they arent fun. --- What is this, a fair for ants? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrPeppers 04/16/18 9:48:22 AM #53: |
Kineth posted...
silentwing26x posted...Mal_Fet posted...You both are now admitting that people who want to punch people who offend them insane. And you're advocating punching people you find offensive. Now Im confused because you kind of admitted that there are grey areas... --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 04/16/18 9:49:34 AM #54: |
MrPeppers posted...
Kineth posted...silentwing26x posted...Mal_Fet posted...You both are now admitting that people who want to punch people who offend them insane. And you're advocating punching people you find offensive. What has you confused? If you're referring to me saying there absolutely is a possibility where a physical response could be justified, that's me saying that the number is greater than 0. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foreveraIone 04/16/18 9:50:19 AM #55: |
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MrPeppers 04/16/18 9:51:01 AM #56: |
Kineth posted...
MrPeppers posted...Kineth posted...silentwing26x posted...Mal_Fet posted...You both are now admitting that people who want to punch people who offend them insane. And you're advocating punching people you find offensive. I totally agree with grey areas in topics that make either political camp look bad. But wouldnt that imply that not all Nazis are bad? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nomadic View 04/16/18 9:51:20 AM #57: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Getting punched in the face was probably the best thing to ever happen to Richard Spencer. Now that he's not constantly being assaulted his tour was cancelled, and he's been kicked off of Facebook. Nazis should be begging to get punched, that way they'd atleast get people to sympathize with them and will give them a pity-platform to wish their peaceful ethnic cleansing from. Sounds like not using violence, rioting, and protesting is the best way to deal with ridiculous ideologies. I had no fucking clue who Richard Spencer was until he was punched. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 04/16/18 9:51:32 AM #58: |
If logic was enough to dissuade a Nazi, there would be none left in the world. By becoming a Nazi, the man has already thrown any kind of reasoning to the wind.
At that point, violence is all theyre going to hear. --- Do the good die young, or do the young die good? http://i.imgur.com/QiEb7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shuto-uke 04/16/18 9:51:34 AM #59: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Shuto-uke posted...See, this little tactic of yours is not gonna work. You can't just pull things out of your ass and expect people not to call you out. How many licks does it take to get to the center of a lollipop? See I can bring up unrelated shit too ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 04/16/18 9:55:22 AM #60: |
l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
If logic was enough to dissuade a Nazi, there would be none left in the world. By becoming a Nazi, the man has already thrown any kind of reasoning to the wind. Find us one reformed Nazi who says their mind was changed because they once got beat up. Shuto-uke posted... Mal_Fet posted...Shuto-uke posted...See, this little tactic of yours is not gonna work. You can't just pull things out of your ass and expect people not to call you out. Point is, you're vastly overstating the level of offense by people on the right in order to justify the actual crazed actions of people on the left. That's just undeniable. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/16/18 9:56:31 AM #61: |
Nomadic View posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...Getting punched in the face was probably the best thing to ever happen to Richard Spencer. Now that he's not constantly being assaulted his tour was cancelled, and he's been kicked off of Facebook. Nazis should be begging to get punched, that way they'd atleast get people to sympathize with them and will give them a pity-platform to wish their peaceful ethnic cleansing from. Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 04/16/18 9:57:45 AM #62: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about. Are you sure about that, because I'm pretty sure he's still a Nazi. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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antfair 04/16/18 9:59:35 AM #63: |
Nomadic View posted...
I had no f***ing clue who Richard Spencer was until he was punched. But that's because you weren't paying attention. He didn't get punched until inauguration day 2017; all these articles were written in 2016 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/ https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/politics/alt-right-gathering-donald-trump/index.html http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-38057104/hail-trump-white-nationalists-mark-trump-win-with-nazi-salute https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/meet-the-alt-right-spokesman-thrilled-by-trumps-rise-w443902 https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/richard-spencer-trump-alt-right-white-nationalist/ --- What is this, a fair for ants? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 04/16/18 10:00:17 AM #64: |
chrono625 posted...
Just because some moron spouts insane rhetoric does not justify assault and battery in the eyes of the law. You entirely missed my point. I said it's important to be clear with what we're talking about here, not that I agree that punching nazis is a good thing (I don't). And I don't give Spencer the benefit of insanity, I just think he's awful. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 04/16/18 10:00:51 AM #65: |
MrPeppers posted...
Kineth posted...MrPeppers posted...Kineth posted...silentwing26x posted...Mal_Fet posted...You both are now admitting that people who want to punch people who offend them insane. And you're advocating punching people you find offensive. Not everything has a grey area either, but there were Nazi soldiers who didn't follow orders and helped hide Jews during the Holocaust, so sure. An infinitesimal percentage isn't worth focusing on other than to discount absolutism. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 04/16/18 10:01:44 AM #66: |
The_Ivory_Man posted...
It is saying offensive and horrible things, that in no way justifies violence against them, and arguing for that is ridiculous, I've been called slurs before, anyone who stoops to that level is pathetic and doesn't deserve the satisfaction of you getting angry over it. I made no such argument, I just think you need to be clear and not handwave neonazism as "said mean things". --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrPeppers 04/16/18 10:03:17 AM #67: |
Kineth posted...
MrPeppers posted...Kineth posted...MrPeppers posted...Kineth posted...silentwing26x posted...Mal_Fet posted...You both are now admitting that people who want to punch people who offend them insane. And you're advocating punching people you find offensive. Fair enough. For what its worth I dont disagree with you on this one. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 04/16/18 10:04:16 AM #68: |
In general, my posts might make a lot more sense if you read them that way.
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The_Ivory_Man 04/16/18 10:09:00 AM #69: |
l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
If logic was enough to dissuade a Nazi, there would be none left in the world. By becoming a Nazi, the man has already thrown any kind of reasoning to the wind. https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes Not impossible, most of the time those guys haven't talked to many good people. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Drunken_Idiot 04/16/18 10:10:02 AM #70: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Getting punched in the face was probably the best thing to ever happen to Richard Spencer. Now that he's not constantly being assaulted his tour was cancelled, and he's been kicked off of Facebook. Nazis should be begging to get punched, that way they'd atleast get people to sympathize with them and will give them a pity-platform to wish their peaceful ethnic cleansing from. So you condone violence just because someone thinks differently? And you support censorship? And you support thought policing? Good to know youre an extremist. --- Formerly CPU-Z. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/16/18 10:11:20 AM #71: |
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about. I'm absolutely certain you used to routinely defend the man and the alt-right until people kept posting his Wikipedia page in response to your constant attempts at deflection and defense. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nomadic View 04/16/18 10:11:50 AM #72: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Nomadic View posted...A_Good_Boy posted...Getting punched in the face was probably the best thing to ever happen to Richard Spencer. Now that he's not constantly being assaulted his tour was cancelled, and he's been kicked off of Facebook. Nazis should be begging to get punched, that way they'd atleast get people to sympathize with them and will give them a pity-platform to wish their peaceful ethnic cleansing from. Who the hell ever thought genocide was charming?! --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 04/16/18 10:14:03 AM #73: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...A_Good_Boy posted...Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about. I'm absolutely certain you will make shit up about people in order to avoid admitting you're wrong about something. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sonic Cannon 04/16/18 10:14:55 AM #74: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
pinky0926 posted...A_Good_Boy posted...Laserion posted... This is true, although you'll note the baseline between the peaks is still consistently about 3x the 2016 levels --- Keep it green. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thelovefist 04/16/18 10:15:12 AM #75: |
It looks like Mal and Kineth are melting down again.
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DirkDiggles 04/16/18 10:17:53 AM #76: |
Why do people say that punching nazis stifles free speech?
Without getting into a squabble between the left and right like the above posters are doing, Because it sends a message that resorting to violence over a view that you do not like is accepted. If you don't like what person A says, counter their point with words. Convince other people that their viewpoint isn't worth hearing. If nobody listens to that message, then there is no point to be heard. By physically attacking the person with the strong message, you are only validating their stance and will drive more people to listen to that person. We, as a society, have to accept bad speech along with the good speech. *Note that I mean things like "I hate _____ people!" or "All _____ people are stupidheads!" not "Kill all ____!" or "Burn all the _______ houses down!" That is inciting and not covered under the free speech umbrella. Just my 2 cents. Carry on folks. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/16/18 10:20:55 AM #77: |
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...Mal_Fet posted... Bro, nobody is making up your behavior around the time of Charlottesville. You even felt so bad about how you were acting that you needed to make an obligatory topic saying that of course nazis are bad. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 04/16/18 10:25:54 AM #78: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...A_Good_Boy posted...Mal_Fet posted... Never once did I defend the Nazis at Charlottesville. I defy you to find the post where I did that. CEmen are really fond of screenshotting my posts, so if it exists, you can find it. Wouldn't be surprised if your limited reading comprehension misinterpreted me pointing out that not everyone at the protest were Nazis, therefore there were in fact good people on both sides, which obviously wouldn't include Nazis. But let's not make believe here; your only goal ITT is scoring points on strawmen, so you'll just continue creating strawmen regardless. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/16/18 10:30:31 AM #79: |
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...Mal_Fet posted... See, there goes that benefit of a doubt thing I was talking about. You're pretending like the Unite The Right rally was just an event where nazis just so happened to show up and got mixed in with some good people. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 04/16/18 10:32:00 AM #80: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...A_Good_Boy posted...Mal_Fet posted... People were there to protest removing statues. Whether some other group chose to start a Nazi protest at the same place is irrelevant. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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chrono625 04/16/18 10:34:22 AM #81: |
DirkDiggles posted...
Why do people say that punching nazis stifles free speech? This. --- http://i.imgur.com/Rqk1DYV.gif - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/16/18 10:34:29 AM #82: |
See, proving my point. Thank goodness the exposure just expels the benefit of a doubt and reveals the bullshit you're trying to peddle. Thanks for helping out Mal.
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Mal_Fet 04/16/18 10:37:44 AM #83: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
See, proving my point. Thank goodness the exposure just expels the benefit of a doubt and reveals the bullshit you're trying to peddle. Thanks for helping out Mal. See this is what I mean. When backed into a corner, you'll just double down and ascribe whatever you want to the person you're talking to in order to avoid explaining yourself. It's pathetic. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/16/18 10:48:22 AM #84: |
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...See, proving my point. Thank goodness the exposure just expels the benefit of a doubt and reveals the bullshit you're trying to peddle. Thanks for helping out Mal. We've had this exact conversation about that rally and who organized it a million times already. It's tiresome, and I'm not going to go out and post proof every single time you want to be a sea lion. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 04/16/18 10:51:24 AM #85: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...A_Good_Boy posted...See, proving my point. Thank goodness the exposure just expels the benefit of a doubt and reveals the bullshit you're trying to peddle. Thanks for helping out Mal. Lots of people protesting were not, in fact, white supremacists. I know you need one example of far-right extremism to outweigh all the Antifa mobs assaulting innocent people so you don't feel like the left are the bad guys, but it's not happening. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/16/18 10:53:51 AM #86: |
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...Mal_Fet posted... Like, super super tiresome. I don't know why you insist on this argument over and over again. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 04/16/18 10:55:35 AM #87: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...A_Good_Boy posted...Mal_Fet posted... Probably because you have never been able to argue against it. Like, ever. You do exactly as you're doing now by shoving your fingers in your ears and pretending it's not true. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 04/16/18 11:38:24 AM #88: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...A_Good_Boy posted...Mal_Fet posted... You are seriously wasting your time engaging Mal_Fet and by doing so, you're allowing him to disrupt substantial discourse, like how there's more vocal support for free speech rights for Nazis than there are for NFL players kneeling during the national anthem. His rebuttal to that was focusing on punching as the qualifier, that is, completely missing the point and insisting on his ignorance. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RchHomieQuanChi 04/16/18 11:39:11 AM #89: |
pinky0926 posted...
The Admiral posted...Is this the new pretzel logic liberals are using to defend violence and assault? Lol this actually sounds like a great idea. --- I have nothing else to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shuto-uke 04/16/18 11:39:14 AM #90: |
Mal_Fet posted...
l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...If logic was enough to dissuade a Nazi, there would be none left in the world. By becoming a Nazi, the man has already thrown any kind of reasoning to the wind. I am not. People did bring up sucker punching him or even sexually molesting him. I can post the proof. And by people I mean, politicians or journalists/opinion people on the right. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/16/18 11:43:49 AM #91: |
Kineth posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...Mal_Fet posted... It's why I stopped responding to him. He's just demonstrating the points that both of us were making; that the greater exposure given to Richard Spencer and the alt-right dispels their cloud of incredulity because more people are aware of who they are due to being punched, and he affords more respect to the free speech rights of neo-nazis than he does kneeling NFL players. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HiddenLurker 04/16/18 11:57:09 AM #92: |
Shuto-uke posted...
> neo nazis say nazi things; Face Punch =! Shit posting. Strawman level : Hillary Clinton presidential campaign --- [Insert tired meme here] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shuto-uke 04/16/18 1:23:13 PM #93: |
HiddenLurker posted...
Shuto-uke posted...> neo nazis say nazi things; the fuck did I just read? lmao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fuparulez 04/16/18 1:28:48 PM #94: |
You do not get to physically attack people because they hold views that are different to yours. That's really all there is to it.
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Shuto-uke 04/16/18 1:37:15 PM #95: |
Fuparulez posted...
You do not get to physically attack people because they hold views that are different to yours. That's really all there is to it. Somebody tell that to the people who want to harm David Hogg, who has been threatened with rape threats: https://splinternews.com/wacko-who-threatened-to-sexually-assault-david-hogg-get-1825186536 " local St. Louis radio and television personality who tweeted that he was preparing to personally sodomize a teenage activist with a hot poker? Because said teenager, David Hogg, survived a school shooting and used his platform to advocate for gun control" He has received death threats too: http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/08/david-hogg-fbi-death-threats/ "His family claims both he and his mother have received numerous alarming death threats from individuals both in and outside the country. So his mother, Rebecca Boldrick, contacted the FBI after she got a disturbing message on Facebook " Sucker punching suggestions too from C list celebs: https://www.mediaite.com/online/sylvester-stallones-brother-calls-david-hogg-a-pssy-wants-classmates-to-sucker-punch-him/ "In a since-deleted tweet, Stallone called David Hogg a pussy who is getting a little big for his britches. He added that he was sure someone from his age group is dying to sucker punch this rich little bitch. Stallone finished off the tweet by claiming Hogg would run home like the coward he is and that the high-schooler is the worst rep for todays headline grabbing punk. " What happened to freedom of expression now, MAGA people? ;) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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refmon 04/16/18 1:39:50 PM #96: |
Shuto-uke posted...
Is this the new pretzel logic liberals are using to defend violence and assault? --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Snake07 04/16/18 1:41:54 PM #97: |
assault is assault. doesnt really have anything to do with free speech
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Shuto-uke 04/16/18 1:43:35 PM #98: |
refmon posted...
Shuto-uke posted...Is this the new pretzel logic liberals are using to defend violence and assault? I never said that utterly stupid quote. Fix your shit. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 04/16/18 3:59:14 PM #99: |
Shuto-uke posted...
I am not. People did bring up sucker punching him or even sexually molesting him. I can post the proof. And by people I mean, politicians or journalists/opinion people on the right. Actions speak louder than words. How many times has David Hogg been assaulted vs. the number of times Spencer has? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HiddenLurker 04/16/18 3:59:55 PM #100: |
Shuto-uke posted...
Fuparulez posted...You do not get to physically attack people because they hold views that are different to yours. That's really all there is to it. Once again. Shit posting =! Punching people. If it was a shit ton of people would be arrested for dissing Trump the last 2 years. --- [Insert tired meme here] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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