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Mal_Fet
04/16/18 9:45:22 AM
#51:


Shuto-uke posted...
See, this little tactic of yours is not gonna work. You can't just pull things out of your ass and expect people not to call you out.

Did I advocate punching them? No. Did I say it was ok? No. I merely pointed your double standards (and by your I mean the right, not you particularly). Then you (this team I mean YOU) went full REEEEEEEEE about it.

How many kneeling football players have been assaulted by crazed right-wingers? How many anti-gun victims of school shootings?

And for every one you find, I'll show you three dozen cases of crazed leftists assaulting Nazis (or people they believe are Nazis because they're pro-Trump or something).

Deal?
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antfair
04/16/18 9:47:20 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Yup. For as much as Spencer and the alt-right say that getting punched stifled their speech, it was the best thing to ever happen for their speech.

Spencer disagrees

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/17/richard-spencer-college-tour-antifa-alt-right/
RICHARD SPENCER ISNT having fun anymore. In a lengthy YouTube video posted on Sunday, the white nationalist announced that he would be suspending upcoming public speaking engagements and halting his controversial college tour. He said of his rallies, When they become violent clashes and pitched battles, they arent fun.

I really hate to say this, and I definitely hesitate to say this, said the poster boy of the so-called alt-right. Antifa is winning to the extent that theyre willing to go further than anyone else, in the sense that they will do things in terms of just violence, intimidating, and general nastiness. He stated that the willingness of far-left activists to use any means necessary in attempts to shut down his speeches has left the far right up the creek without a paddle.

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MrPeppers
04/16/18 9:48:22 AM
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Kineth posted...
silentwing26x posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
You both are now admitting that people who want to punch people who offend them insane. And you're advocating punching people you find offensive.


There's a topic up where Kineth is openly saying not all gangsters are bad people. Hmmmmmmmmm.....


I wonder how long this alt was waiting to pull this one out. One post in one topic. The world isn't black and white, only 0 or 100. Besides, I thought there were good people on both sides. Now get the fuck out of here.


Now Im confused because you kind of admitted that there are grey areas...
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Kineth
04/16/18 9:49:34 AM
#54:


MrPeppers posted...
Kineth posted...
silentwing26x posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
You both are now admitting that people who want to punch people who offend them insane. And you're advocating punching people you find offensive.


There's a topic up where Kineth is openly saying not all gangsters are bad people. Hmmmmmmmmm.....


I wonder how long this alt was waiting to pull this one out. One post in one topic. The world isn't black and white, only 0 or 100. Besides, I thought there were good people on both sides. Now get the fuck out of here.


Now Im confused because you kind of admitted that there are grey areas...


What has you confused? If you're referring to me saying there absolutely is a possibility where a physical response could be justified, that's me saying that the number is greater than 0.
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foreveraIone
04/16/18 9:50:19 AM
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hey kineth do you still hate me
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MrPeppers
04/16/18 9:51:01 AM
#56:


Kineth posted...
MrPeppers posted...
Kineth posted...
silentwing26x posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
You both are now admitting that people who want to punch people who offend them insane. And you're advocating punching people you find offensive.


There's a topic up where Kineth is openly saying not all gangsters are bad people. Hmmmmmmmmm.....


I wonder how long this alt was waiting to pull this one out. One post in one topic. The world isn't black and white, only 0 or 100. Besides, I thought there were good people on both sides. Now get the fuck out of here.


Now Im confused because you kind of admitted that there are grey areas...


Where's the confusion at?


I totally agree with grey areas in topics that make either political camp look bad. But wouldnt that imply that not all Nazis are bad?
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Nomadic View
04/16/18 9:51:20 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Getting punched in the face was probably the best thing to ever happen to Richard Spencer. Now that he's not constantly being assaulted his tour was cancelled, and he's been kicked off of Facebook. Nazis should be begging to get punched, that way they'd atleast get people to sympathize with them and will give them a pity-platform to wish their peaceful ethnic cleansing from.


Sounds like not using violence, rioting, and protesting is the best way to deal with ridiculous ideologies.

I had no fucking clue who Richard Spencer was until he was punched.
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33
04/16/18 9:51:32 AM
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If logic was enough to dissuade a Nazi, there would be none left in the world. By becoming a Nazi, the man has already thrown any kind of reasoning to the wind.

At that point, violence is all theyre going to hear.
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Shuto-uke
04/16/18 9:51:34 AM
#59:


Mal_Fet posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
See, this little tactic of yours is not gonna work. You can't just pull things out of your ass and expect people not to call you out.

Did I advocate punching them? No. Did I say it was ok? No. I merely pointed your double standards (and by your I mean the right, not you particularly). Then you (this team I mean YOU) went full REEEEEEEEE about it.

How many kneeling football players have been assaulted by crazed right-wingers? How many anti-gun victims of school shootings?

And for every one you find, I'll show you three dozen cases of crazed leftists assaulting Nazis (or people they believe are Nazis because they're pro-Trump or something).

Deal?


How many licks does it take to get to the center of a lollipop?

See I can bring up unrelated shit too
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Mal_Fet
04/16/18 9:55:22 AM
#60:


l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
If logic was enough to dissuade a Nazi, there would be none left in the world. By becoming a Nazi, the man has already thrown any kind of reasoning to the wind.

At that point, violence is all theyre going to hear.

Find us one reformed Nazi who says their mind was changed because they once got beat up.

Shuto-uke posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
See, this little tactic of yours is not gonna work. You can't just pull things out of your ass and expect people not to call you out.

Did I advocate punching them? No. Did I say it was ok? No. I merely pointed your double standards (and by your I mean the right, not you particularly). Then you (this team I mean YOU) went full REEEEEEEEE about it.

How many kneeling football players have been assaulted by crazed right-wingers? How many anti-gun victims of school shootings?

And for every one you find, I'll show you three dozen cases of crazed leftists assaulting Nazis (or people they believe are Nazis because they're pro-Trump or something).

Deal?


How many licks does it take to get to the center of a lollipop?

See I can bring up unrelated shit too

Point is, you're vastly overstating the level of offense by people on the right in order to justify the actual crazed actions of people on the left. That's just undeniable.
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A_Good_Boy
04/16/18 9:56:31 AM
#61:


Nomadic View posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Getting punched in the face was probably the best thing to ever happen to Richard Spencer. Now that he's not constantly being assaulted his tour was cancelled, and he's been kicked off of Facebook. Nazis should be begging to get punched, that way they'd atleast get people to sympathize with them and will give them a pity-platform to wish their peaceful ethnic cleansing from.


Sounds like not using violence, rioting, and protesting is the best way to deal with ridiculous ideologies.

I had no fucking clue who Richard Spencer was until he was punched.

Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about.
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Mal_Fet
04/16/18 9:57:45 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about.

Are you sure about that, because I'm pretty sure he's still a Nazi.
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antfair
04/16/18 9:59:35 AM
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pinky0926
04/16/18 10:00:17 AM
#64:


chrono625 posted...
Just because some moron spouts insane rhetoric does not justify assault and battery in the eyes of the law.

Spencer is a fucking nutjob. But to honestly believe a nazi uprising is happening in this country is equally outrageous to believe.


You entirely missed my point. I said it's important to be clear with what we're talking about here, not that I agree that punching nazis is a good thing (I don't). And I don't give Spencer the benefit of insanity, I just think he's awful.
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Kineth
04/16/18 10:00:51 AM
#65:


MrPeppers posted...
Kineth posted...
MrPeppers posted...
Kineth posted...
silentwing26x posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
You both are now admitting that people who want to punch people who offend them insane. And you're advocating punching people you find offensive.


There's a topic up where Kineth is openly saying not all gangsters are bad people. Hmmmmmmmmm.....


I wonder how long this alt was waiting to pull this one out. One post in one topic. The world isn't black and white, only 0 or 100. Besides, I thought there were good people on both sides. Now get the fuck out of here.


Now Im confused because you kind of admitted that there are grey areas...


Where's the confusion at?


I totally agree with grey areas in topics that make either political camp look bad. But wouldnt that imply that not all Nazis are bad?


Not everything has a grey area either, but there were Nazi soldiers who didn't follow orders and helped hide Jews during the Holocaust, so sure. An infinitesimal percentage isn't worth focusing on other than to discount absolutism.
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pinky0926
04/16/18 10:01:44 AM
#66:


The_Ivory_Man posted...
It is saying offensive and horrible things, that in no way justifies violence against them, and arguing for that is ridiculous, I've been called slurs before, anyone who stoops to that level is pathetic and doesn't deserve the satisfaction of you getting angry over it.


I made no such argument, I just think you need to be clear and not handwave neonazism as "said mean things".
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MrPeppers
04/16/18 10:03:17 AM
#67:


Kineth posted...
MrPeppers posted...
Kineth posted...
MrPeppers posted...
Kineth posted...
silentwing26x posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
You both are now admitting that people who want to punch people who offend them insane. And you're advocating punching people you find offensive.


There's a topic up where Kineth is openly saying not all gangsters are bad people. Hmmmmmmmmm.....


I wonder how long this alt was waiting to pull this one out. One post in one topic. The world isn't black and white, only 0 or 100. Besides, I thought there were good people on both sides. Now get the fuck out of here.


Now Im confused because you kind of admitted that there are grey areas...


Where's the confusion at?


I totally agree with grey areas in topics that make either political camp look bad. But wouldnt that imply that not all Nazis are bad?


Not everything has a grey area either, but there were Nazi soldiers who didn't follow orders and helped hide Jews during the Holocaust, so sure. An infinitesimal percentage isn't worth focusing on other than to discount absolutism.


Fair enough. For what its worth I dont disagree with you on this one.
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Kineth
04/16/18 10:04:16 AM
#68:


In general, my posts might make a lot more sense if you read them that way.
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The_Ivory_Man
04/16/18 10:09:00 AM
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
If logic was enough to dissuade a Nazi, there would be none left in the world. By becoming a Nazi, the man has already thrown any kind of reasoning to the wind.

At that point, violence is all theyre going to hear.


https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes

Not impossible, most of the time those guys haven't talked to many good people.
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Drunken_Idiot
04/16/18 10:10:02 AM
#70:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Getting punched in the face was probably the best thing to ever happen to Richard Spencer. Now that he's not constantly being assaulted his tour was cancelled, and he's been kicked off of Facebook. Nazis should be begging to get punched, that way they'd atleast get people to sympathize with them and will give them a pity-platform to wish their peaceful ethnic cleansing from.

So you condone violence just because someone thinks differently? And you support censorship? And you support thought policing? Good to know youre an extremist.
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A_Good_Boy
04/16/18 10:11:20 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about.

Are you sure about that, because I'm pretty sure he's still a Nazi.

I'm absolutely certain you used to routinely defend the man and the alt-right until people kept posting his Wikipedia page in response to your constant attempts at deflection and defense.
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Nomadic View
04/16/18 10:11:50 AM
#72:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Nomadic View posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Getting punched in the face was probably the best thing to ever happen to Richard Spencer. Now that he's not constantly being assaulted his tour was cancelled, and he's been kicked off of Facebook. Nazis should be begging to get punched, that way they'd atleast get people to sympathize with them and will give them a pity-platform to wish their peaceful ethnic cleansing from.


Sounds like not using violence, rioting, and protesting is the best way to deal with ridiculous ideologies.

I had no fucking clue who Richard Spencer was until he was punched.

Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about.


Who the hell ever thought genocide was charming?!
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Mal_Fet
04/16/18 10:14:03 AM
#73:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about.

Are you sure about that, because I'm pretty sure he's still a Nazi.

I'm absolutely certain you used to routinely defend the man and the alt-right until people kept posting his Wikipedia page in response to your constant attempts at deflection and defense.

I'm absolutely certain you will make shit up about people in order to avoid admitting you're wrong about something.
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Sonic Cannon
04/16/18 10:14:55 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
pinky0926 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Laserion posted...
You shouldn't punch anyone. Counter their bad free speech with good free speech.
This is not to change his mind, but to make him look like a fool in front of others.

Punching him allowed for both. Getting socked in the jaw gave him an audience he otherwise would have never have received, then that audience saw how crazy he was and it's just been a downward spiral from there.


https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2016-03-16%202018-04-16&q=richard%20spencer

I would argue that this shows categorically that him getting punched was never an effective means of shutting him up

Seems like allowed for more people to become aware of him, then reject his message. His biggest spikes only seem to occur when he's making a spectacle of himself.


This is true, although you'll note the baseline between the peaks is still consistently about 3x the 2016 levels
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thelovefist
04/16/18 10:15:12 AM
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It looks like Mal and Kineth are melting down again.
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DirkDiggles
04/16/18 10:17:53 AM
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Why do people say that punching nazis stifles free speech?

Without getting into a squabble between the left and right like the above posters are doing, Because it sends a message that resorting to violence over a view that you do not like is accepted. If you don't like what person A says, counter their point with words. Convince other people that their viewpoint isn't worth hearing. If nobody listens to that message, then there is no point to be heard.

By physically attacking the person with the strong message, you are only validating their stance and will drive more people to listen to that person. We, as a society, have to accept bad speech along with the good speech.

*Note that I mean things like "I hate _____ people!" or "All _____ people are stupidheads!" not "Kill all ____!" or "Burn all the _______ houses down!" That is inciting and not covered under the free speech umbrella.

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A_Good_Boy
04/16/18 10:20:55 AM
#77:


Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about.

Are you sure about that, because I'm pretty sure he's still a Nazi.

I'm absolutely certain you used to routinely defend the man and the alt-right until people kept posting his Wikipedia page in response to your constant attempts at deflection and defense.

I'm absolutely certain you will make shit up about people in order to avoid admitting you're wrong about something.

Bro, nobody is making up your behavior around the time of Charlottesville. You even felt so bad about how you were acting that you needed to make an obligatory topic saying that of course nazis are bad.
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Mal_Fet
04/16/18 10:25:54 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about.

Are you sure about that, because I'm pretty sure he's still a Nazi.

I'm absolutely certain you used to routinely defend the man and the alt-right until people kept posting his Wikipedia page in response to your constant attempts at deflection and defense.

I'm absolutely certain you will make shit up about people in order to avoid admitting you're wrong about something.

Bro, nobody is making up your behavior around the time of Charlottesville. You even felt so bad about how you were acting that you needed to make an obligatory topic saying that of course nazis are bad.

Never once did I defend the Nazis at Charlottesville. I defy you to find the post where I did that. CEmen are really fond of screenshotting my posts, so if it exists, you can find it.

Wouldn't be surprised if your limited reading comprehension misinterpreted me pointing out that not everyone at the protest were Nazis, therefore there were in fact good people on both sides, which obviously wouldn't include Nazis.

But let's not make believe here; your only goal ITT is scoring points on strawmen, so you'll just continue creating strawmen regardless.
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A_Good_Boy
04/16/18 10:30:31 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about.

Are you sure about that, because I'm pretty sure he's still a Nazi.

I'm absolutely certain you used to routinely defend the man and the alt-right until people kept posting his Wikipedia page in response to your constant attempts at deflection and defense.

I'm absolutely certain you will make shit up about people in order to avoid admitting you're wrong about something.

Bro, nobody is making up your behavior around the time of Charlottesville. You even felt so bad about how you were acting that you needed to make an obligatory topic saying that of course nazis are bad.

Never once did I defend the Nazis at Charlottesville. I defy you to find the post where I did that. CEmen are really fond of screenshotting my posts, so if it exists, you can find it.

Wouldn't be surprised if your limited reading comprehension misinterpreted me pointing out that not everyone at the protest were Nazis, therefore there were in fact good people on both sides, which obviously wouldn't include Nazis.

But let's not make believe here; your only goal ITT is scoring points on strawmen, so you'll just continue creating strawmen regardless.

See, there goes that benefit of a doubt thing I was talking about. You're pretending like the Unite The Right rally was just an event where nazis just so happened to show up and got mixed in with some good people.
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Mal_Fet
04/16/18 10:32:00 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Not punching Richard Spencer only allowed him the benefit of a doubt and made his ideology charming. After getting punched in the face it only made people look him up and see what he was really about.

Are you sure about that, because I'm pretty sure he's still a Nazi.

I'm absolutely certain you used to routinely defend the man and the alt-right until people kept posting his Wikipedia page in response to your constant attempts at deflection and defense.

I'm absolutely certain you will make shit up about people in order to avoid admitting you're wrong about something.

Bro, nobody is making up your behavior around the time of Charlottesville. You even felt so bad about how you were acting that you needed to make an obligatory topic saying that of course nazis are bad.

Never once did I defend the Nazis at Charlottesville. I defy you to find the post where I did that. CEmen are really fond of screenshotting my posts, so if it exists, you can find it.

Wouldn't be surprised if your limited reading comprehension misinterpreted me pointing out that not everyone at the protest were Nazis, therefore there were in fact good people on both sides, which obviously wouldn't include Nazis.

But let's not make believe here; your only goal ITT is scoring points on strawmen, so you'll just continue creating strawmen regardless.

See, there goes that benefit of a doubt thing I was talking about. You're pretending like the Unite The Right rally was just an event where nazis just so happened to show up and got mixed in with some good people.

People were there to protest removing statues. Whether some other group chose to start a Nazi protest at the same place is irrelevant.
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chrono625
04/16/18 10:34:22 AM
#81:


DirkDiggles posted...
Why do people say that punching nazis stifles free speech?

Without getting into a squabble between the left and right like the above posters are doing, Because it sends a message that resorting to violence over a view that you do not like is accepted. If you don't like what person A says, counter their point with words. Convince other people that their viewpoint isn't worth hearing. If nobody listens to that message, then there is no point to be heard.

By physically attacking the person with the strong message, you are only validating their stance and will drive more people to listen to that person. We, as a society, have to accept bad speech along with the good speech.

*Note that I mean things like "I hate _____ people!" or "All _____ people are stupidheads!" not "Kill all ____!" or "Burn all the _______ houses down!" That is inciting and not covered under the free speech umbrella.

Just my 2 cents. Carry on folks.


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A_Good_Boy
04/16/18 10:34:29 AM
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See, proving my point. Thank goodness the exposure just expels the benefit of a doubt and reveals the bullshit you're trying to peddle. Thanks for helping out Mal.
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Mal_Fet
04/16/18 10:37:44 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
See, proving my point. Thank goodness the exposure just expels the benefit of a doubt and reveals the bullshit you're trying to peddle. Thanks for helping out Mal.

See this is what I mean. When backed into a corner, you'll just double down and ascribe whatever you want to the person you're talking to in order to avoid explaining yourself. It's pathetic.
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A_Good_Boy
04/16/18 10:48:22 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
See, proving my point. Thank goodness the exposure just expels the benefit of a doubt and reveals the bullshit you're trying to peddle. Thanks for helping out Mal.

See this is what I mean. When backed into a corner, you'll just double down and ascribe whatever you want to the person you're talking to in order to avoid explaining yourself. It's pathetic.

We've had this exact conversation about that rally and who organized it a million times already. It's tiresome, and I'm not going to go out and post proof every single time you want to be a sea lion.
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Mal_Fet
04/16/18 10:51:24 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
See, proving my point. Thank goodness the exposure just expels the benefit of a doubt and reveals the bullshit you're trying to peddle. Thanks for helping out Mal.

See this is what I mean. When backed into a corner, you'll just double down and ascribe whatever you want to the person you're talking to in order to avoid explaining yourself. It's pathetic.

We've had this exact conversation about that rally and who organized it a million times already. It's tiresome, and I'm not going to go out and post proof every single time you want to be a sea lion.

Lots of people protesting were not, in fact, white supremacists. I know you need one example of far-right extremism to outweigh all the Antifa mobs assaulting innocent people so you don't feel like the left are the bad guys, but it's not happening.
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A_Good_Boy
04/16/18 10:53:51 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
See, proving my point. Thank goodness the exposure just expels the benefit of a doubt and reveals the bullshit you're trying to peddle. Thanks for helping out Mal.

See this is what I mean. When backed into a corner, you'll just double down and ascribe whatever you want to the person you're talking to in order to avoid explaining yourself. It's pathetic.

We've had this exact conversation about that rally and who organized it a million times already. It's tiresome, and I'm not going to go out and post proof every single time you want to be a sea lion.

Lots of people protesting were not, in fact, white supremacists. I know you need one example of far-right extremism to outweigh all the Antifa mobs assaulting innocent people so you don't feel like the left are the bad guys, but it's not happening.

Like, super super tiresome. I don't know why you insist on this argument over and over again.
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Mal_Fet
04/16/18 10:55:35 AM
#87:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
See, proving my point. Thank goodness the exposure just expels the benefit of a doubt and reveals the bullshit you're trying to peddle. Thanks for helping out Mal.

See this is what I mean. When backed into a corner, you'll just double down and ascribe whatever you want to the person you're talking to in order to avoid explaining yourself. It's pathetic.

We've had this exact conversation about that rally and who organized it a million times already. It's tiresome, and I'm not going to go out and post proof every single time you want to be a sea lion.

Lots of people protesting were not, in fact, white supremacists. I know you need one example of far-right extremism to outweigh all the Antifa mobs assaulting innocent people so you don't feel like the left are the bad guys, but it's not happening.

Like, super super tiresome. I don't know why you insist on this argument over and over again.

Probably because you have never been able to argue against it. Like, ever. You do exactly as you're doing now by shoving your fingers in your ears and pretending it's not true.
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Kineth
04/16/18 11:38:24 AM
#88:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
See, proving my point. Thank goodness the exposure just expels the benefit of a doubt and reveals the bullshit you're trying to peddle. Thanks for helping out Mal.

See this is what I mean. When backed into a corner, you'll just double down and ascribe whatever you want to the person you're talking to in order to avoid explaining yourself. It's pathetic.

We've had this exact conversation about that rally and who organized it a million times already. It's tiresome, and I'm not going to go out and post proof every single time you want to be a sea lion.

Lots of people protesting were not, in fact, white supremacists. I know you need one example of far-right extremism to outweigh all the Antifa mobs assaulting innocent people so you don't feel like the left are the bad guys, but it's not happening.

Like, super super tiresome. I don't know why you insist on this argument over and over again.


You are seriously wasting your time engaging Mal_Fet and by doing so, you're allowing him to disrupt substantial discourse, like how there's more vocal support for free speech rights for Nazis than there are for NFL players kneeling during the national anthem. His rebuttal to that was focusing on punching as the qualifier, that is, completely missing the point and insisting on his ignorance.
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RchHomieQuanChi
04/16/18 11:39:11 AM
#89:


pinky0926 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Is this the new pretzel logic liberals are using to defend violence and assault?


I swear to god I'm going to start a swear jar every time you write the word "liberal", I'll have a sizeable holiday fund by the end of the year


Lol this actually sounds like a great idea.
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Shuto-uke
04/16/18 11:39:14 AM
#90:


Mal_Fet posted...
l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
If logic was enough to dissuade a Nazi, there would be none left in the world. By becoming a Nazi, the man has already thrown any kind of reasoning to the wind.

At that point, violence is all theyre going to hear.

Find us one reformed Nazi who says their mind was changed because they once got beat up.

Shuto-uke posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
See, this little tactic of yours is not gonna work. You can't just pull things out of your ass and expect people not to call you out.

Did I advocate punching them? No. Did I say it was ok? No. I merely pointed your double standards (and by your I mean the right, not you particularly). Then you (this team I mean YOU) went full REEEEEEEEE about it.

How many kneeling football players have been assaulted by crazed right-wingers? How many anti-gun victims of school shootings?

And for every one you find, I'll show you three dozen cases of crazed leftists assaulting Nazis (or people they believe are Nazis because they're pro-Trump or something).

Deal?


How many licks does it take to get to the center of a lollipop?

See I can bring up unrelated shit too

Point is, you're vastly overstating the level of offense by people on the right in order to justify the actual crazed actions of people on the left. That's just undeniable.


I am not. People did bring up sucker punching him or even sexually molesting him. I can post the proof. And by people I mean, politicians or journalists/opinion people on the right.
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A_Good_Boy
04/16/18 11:43:49 AM
#91:


Kineth posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
See, proving my point. Thank goodness the exposure just expels the benefit of a doubt and reveals the bullshit you're trying to peddle. Thanks for helping out Mal.

See this is what I mean. When backed into a corner, you'll just double down and ascribe whatever you want to the person you're talking to in order to avoid explaining yourself. It's pathetic.

We've had this exact conversation about that rally and who organized it a million times already. It's tiresome, and I'm not going to go out and post proof every single time you want to be a sea lion.

Lots of people protesting were not, in fact, white supremacists. I know you need one example of far-right extremism to outweigh all the Antifa mobs assaulting innocent people so you don't feel like the left are the bad guys, but it's not happening.

Like, super super tiresome. I don't know why you insist on this argument over and over again.


You are seriously wasting your time engaging Mal_Fet and by doing so, you're allowing him to disrupt substantial discourse, like how there's more vocal support for free speech rights for Nazis than there are for NFL players kneeling during the national anthem. His rebuttal to that was focusing on punching as the qualifier, that is, completely missing the point and insisting on his ignorance.

It's why I stopped responding to him. He's just demonstrating the points that both of us were making; that the greater exposure given to Richard Spencer and the alt-right dispels their cloud of incredulity because more people are aware of who they are due to being punched, and he affords more respect to the free speech rights of neo-nazis than he does kneeling NFL players.
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HiddenLurker
04/16/18 11:57:09 AM
#92:


Shuto-uke posted...
> neo nazis say nazi things;
The right: Freedom of expression! Don't stiffle speech you disagree with! Everybody has the right to say things!

> David Hogg advocates for gun control
The right: LOLOLOLO stupid weirdo can't even get into ivy leagues! LOLOLOLOLOLO I want people to sucker punch him! LOLOLOLOLO Let me shoot a cardboard cutout with his face and threaten him!

Hypocrisy level: critical mass


Face Punch =! Shit posting.
Strawman level : Hillary Clinton presidential campaign
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Shuto-uke
04/16/18 1:23:13 PM
#93:


HiddenLurker posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
> neo nazis say nazi things;
The right: Freedom of expression! Don't stiffle speech you disagree with! Everybody has the right to say things!

> David Hogg advocates for gun control
The right: LOLOLOLO stupid weirdo can't even get into ivy leagues! LOLOLOLOLOLO I want people to sucker punch him! LOLOLOLOLO Let me shoot a cardboard cutout with his face and threaten him!

Hypocrisy level: critical mass


Face Punch =! Shit posting.
Strawman level : Hillary Clinton presidential campaign


the fuck did I just read? lmao
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Fuparulez
04/16/18 1:28:48 PM
#94:


You do not get to physically attack people because they hold views that are different to yours. That's really all there is to it.
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Shuto-uke
04/16/18 1:37:15 PM
#95:


Fuparulez posted...
You do not get to physically attack people because they hold views that are different to yours. That's really all there is to it.


Somebody tell that to the people who want to harm David Hogg, who has been threatened with rape threats:

https://splinternews.com/wacko-who-threatened-to-sexually-assault-david-hogg-get-1825186536

" local St. Louis radio and television personality who tweeted that he was preparing to personally sodomize a teenage activist with a hot poker? Because said teenager, David Hogg, survived a school shooting and used his platform to advocate for gun control"

He has received death threats too:

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/08/david-hogg-fbi-death-threats/

"His family claims both he and his mother have received numerous alarming death threats from individuals both in and outside the country. So his mother, Rebecca Boldrick, contacted the FBI after she got a disturbing message on Facebook "

Sucker punching suggestions too from C list celebs:

https://www.mediaite.com/online/sylvester-stallones-brother-calls-david-hogg-a-pssy-wants-classmates-to-sucker-punch-him/

"In a since-deleted tweet, Stallone called David Hogg a pussy who is getting a little big for his britches. He added that he was sure someone from his age group is dying to sucker punch this rich little bitch. Stallone finished off the tweet by claiming Hogg would run home like the coward he is and that the high-schooler is the worst rep for todays headline grabbing punk. "

What happened to freedom of expression now, MAGA people? ;)
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refmon
04/16/18 1:39:50 PM
#96:


Shuto-uke posted...
Is this the new pretzel logic liberals are using to defend violence and assault?

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Solid Snake07
04/16/18 1:41:54 PM
#97:


assault is assault. doesnt really have anything to do with free speech
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Shuto-uke
04/16/18 1:43:35 PM
#98:


refmon posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Is this the new pretzel logic liberals are using to defend violence and assault?


I never said that utterly stupid quote. Fix your shit.
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Mal_Fet
04/16/18 3:59:14 PM
#99:


Shuto-uke posted...
I am not. People did bring up sucker punching him or even sexually molesting him. I can post the proof. And by people I mean, politicians or journalists/opinion people on the right.

Actions speak louder than words. How many times has David Hogg been assaulted vs. the number of times Spencer has?
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HiddenLurker
04/16/18 3:59:55 PM
#100:


Shuto-uke posted...
Fuparulez posted...
You do not get to physically attack people because they hold views that are different to yours. That's really all there is to it.


Somebody tell that to the people who want to harm David Hogg, who has been threatened with rape threats:

https://splinternews.com/wacko-who-threatened-to-sexually-assault-david-hogg-get-1825186536

" local St. Louis radio and television personality who tweeted that he was preparing to personally sodomize a teenage activist with a hot poker? Because said teenager, David Hogg, survived a school shooting and used his platform to advocate for gun control"

He has received death threats too:

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/08/david-hogg-fbi-death-threats/

"His family claims both he and his mother have received numerous alarming death threats from individuals both in and outside the country. So his mother, Rebecca Boldrick, contacted the FBI after she got a disturbing message on Facebook "

Sucker punching suggestions too from C list celebs:

https://www.mediaite.com/online/sylvester-stallones-brother-calls-david-hogg-a-pssy-wants-classmates-to-sucker-punch-him/

"In a since-deleted tweet, Stallone called David Hogg a pussy who is getting a little big for his britches. He added that he was sure someone from his age group is dying to sucker punch this rich little bitch. Stallone finished off the tweet by claiming Hogg would run home like the coward he is and that the high-schooler is the worst rep for todays headline grabbing punk. "

What happened to freedom of expression now, MAGA people? ;)

Once again.
Shit posting =! Punching people.
If it was a shit ton of people would be arrested for dissing Trump the last 2 years.
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