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hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:29:06 PM #353:	UnfairRepresent posted... hockeybub89 posted... And that still would beg the question of why others are allowed to not buy things and stay there every day UnfairRepresent posted... Ok so where other people repeatedly asked to leave and refused to do so while not ordering anything? I mean the incident was filmed and clearly no... No, they weren't. Because places like Starbucks allow people to hang out in their stores. I've done this. Am I criminal who is lucky to deal with incompetent baristas? Or did this store randomly decide to ignore policy to suddenly call two people trespassers for doing what you are allowed to do? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899713247] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> And that still would beg the question of why others are allowed to not buy things and stay there every day</quote> <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> Ok so where other people repeatedly asked to leave and refused to do so while not ordering anything? I mean the incident was filmed and clearly no...</quote></quote> No, they weren't. Because places like Starbucks allow people to hang out in their stores. I've done this. Am I criminal who is lucky to deal with incompetent baristas? Or did this store randomly decide to ignore policy to suddenly call two people trespassers for doing what you are allowed to do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 6:29:49 PM #354:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... UnfairRepresent posted... hockeybub89 posted... And that still would beg the question of why others are allowed to not buy things and stay there every day UnfairRepresent posted... Ok so where other people repeatedly asked to leave and refused to do so while not ordering anything? I mean the incident was filmed and clearly no... Okay, so if the answer is no, how would you explain it? You asked question. You have answer to question as "no" as in "no, other people who hadn't bought anything were not asked to leave." Why was that the case? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899713280] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> And that still would beg the question of why others are allowed to not buy things and stay there every day</quote> <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> Ok so where other people repeatedly asked to leave and refused to do so while not ordering anything? I mean the incident was filmed and clearly no...</quote></quote> Okay, so if the answer is no, how would you explain it?</quote> You asked question. You have answer to question as "no" as in "no, other people who hadn't bought anything were not asked to leave." Why was that the case?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 04/15/18 6:30:58 PM #355:	I regret bumping this topic --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:899713329] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>I regret bumping this topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 6:31:59 PM #356:	thanosibe posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted...I thought you were done shitposting when you ran away from the other topic after embarrassing yourself worse than I've ever seen you embarrass yourself before. If only you'd take your own advice. But we all know that won't happen as shit posting on CE is all you have to offer and we as a community are all better without it. What advice? I wasn't offering any advice. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899713396] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite>I thought you were done shitposting when you ran away from the other topic after embarrassing yourself worse than I've ever seen you embarrass yourself before.</quote>If only you'd take your own advice. But we all know that won't happen as shit posting on CE is all you have to offer and we as a community are all better without it.</quote> What advice? I wasn't offering any advice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:33:03 PM #357:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... You asked question. You have answer to question as "no" as in "no, other people who hadn't bought anything were not asked to leave." Why was that the case? Because they weren't sitting there refusing to leave or buy anything while using the facalities.... --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899713445] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote> You asked question. You have answer to question as "no" as in "no, other people who hadn't bought anything were not asked to leave." Why was that the case?</quote> Because they weren't sitting there refusing to leave or buy anything while using the facalities....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:33:33 PM #358:	The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... Atralis posted... This seems like the kind of thing where Starbucks acted within the letter of the law but they should have exercised better judgement. I can't just randomly decide one day that one customer at work is trespassing while no one else is. That doesn't make it so. That's not how things work. That would be like calling the cops on someone for theft because they picked up an item. Everyone picks up items. You'd have to prove that this person was truly intending to steal and that you weren't just making up policy or ignoring policy because you didn't like that person for some reason. You're right, you can't do that. But you have no data about how many people that Stabucks has kicked out and what their races are. The fact that this activist woman trying to make a video go viral says a white person wasn't kicked out for using the bathroom is not sufficient. If this Starbucks has a history of only kicking out black people for loitering, I'd agree -- there is racism at play here. But this is not racism just because the guys are black. Ok, there's no proven racism. You still need to explain this why Starbucks policy suddenly didn't apply to these guys? Unless they secretly were the large, loud group that you originally asserted they were by not reading anything, then how can you rationalize this? If this ok, then I guess any store or restaurant can get anyone arrested for trespassing? "Oh, you bought dinner? I don't like your shoes, so you better order dessert too or you're trespassing and you should leave. What? Most other people are not held to this policy? Who cares? You're being a criminal! Cops!" --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899713466] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Atralis posted...</cite> <quote>This seems like the kind of thing where Starbucks acted within the letter of the law but they should have exercised better judgement.</quote> I can't just randomly decide one day that one customer at work is trespassing while no one else is. That doesn't make it so. That's not how things work. That would be like calling the cops on someone for theft because they picked up an item. Everyone picks up items. You'd have to prove that this person was truly intending to steal and that you weren't just making up policy or ignoring policy because you didn't like that person for some reason.</quote> You're right, you can't do that. But you have no data about how many people that Stabucks has kicked out and what their races are. The fact that this activist woman trying to make a video go viral says a white person wasn't kicked out for using the bathroom is not sufficient. If this Starbucks has a history of only kicking out black people for loitering, I'd agree -- there is racism at play here. But this is not racism just because the guys are black.</quote> Ok, there's no proven racism. You still need to explain this why Starbucks policy suddenly didn't apply to these guys? Unless they secretly were the large, loud group that you originally asserted they were by not reading anything, then how can you rationalize this? If this ok, then I guess any store or restaurant can get anyone arrested for trespassing? "Oh, you bought dinner? I don't like your shoes, so you better order dessert too or you're trespassing and you should leave. What? Most other people are not held to this policy? Who cares? You're being a criminal! Cops!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:34:42 PM #359:	hockeybub89 posted... No, they weren't. Because places like Starbucks allow people to hang out in their stores. I've done this. Am I criminal who is lucky to deal with incompetent baristas? Or did this store randomly decide to ignore policy to suddenly call two people trespassers for doing what you are allowed to do? If you weren't asked to leave repeatedly and said no then no you're not a criminal. I shouldn't have to explain that. You're telling me that if you were asked to leave, you'd not only say no, but also repeatedly say no to cops too? And that you've done that? If so then yeah you are lucky and also kind of a jerk --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899713523] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> No, they weren't. Because places like Starbucks allow people to hang out in their stores. I've done this. Am I criminal who is lucky to deal with incompetent baristas? Or did this store randomly decide to ignore policy to suddenly call two people trespassers for doing what you are allowed to do?</quote> If you weren't asked to leave repeatedly and said no then no you're not a criminal. I shouldn't have to explain that. You're telling me that if you were asked to leave, you'd not only say no, but also repeatedly say no to cops too? And that you've done that? If so then yeah you are lucky and also kind of a jerk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:35:42 PM #360:	hockeybub89 posted... If this ok, then I guess any store or restaurant can get anyone arrested for trespassing? "Oh, you bought dinner? Your analogy instantly fails because these guys did not buy anything --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899713568] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> If this ok, then I guess any store or restaurant can get anyone arrested for trespassing? "Oh, you bought dinner?</quote> Your analogy instantly fails because these guys did not buy anything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 6:36:06 PM #361:	UnfairRepresent posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... You asked question. You have answer to question as "no" as in "no, other people who hadn't bought anything were not asked to leave." Why was that the case? Because they weren't sitting there refusing to leave or buy anything while using the facalities.... Were they being asked to leave? Were they also asking to use the facilities (Not facalities lmao) and being denied? Also, you'll probably edit this part out in your reply, but I have no issues with the "Not buying? Not using restroom" policy. That's perfectly fine and not uncommon for businesses and I have stated that previously as well. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899713579] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote> You asked question. You have answer to question as "no" as in "no, other people who hadn't bought anything were not asked to leave." Why was that the case?</quote> Because they weren't sitting there refusing to leave or buy anything while using the facalities....</quote> Were they being asked to leave? Were they also asking to use the facilities (Not facalities lmao) and being denied? Also, you'll probably edit this part out in your reply, but I have no issues with the "Not buying? Not using restroom" policy. That's perfectly fine and not uncommon for businesses and I have stated that previously as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:38:09 PM #362:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Were they being asked to leave? Yes By staff and by cops Were they also asking to use the facilities (Not facalities lmao) and being denied? yes ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Also, you'll probably edit this part out in your reply, but I have no issues with the "Not buying? Not using restroom" policy. Ok? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899713691] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote> Were they being asked to leave?</quote> Yes By staff and by cops <quote>Were they also asking to use the facilities (Not facalities lmao) and being denied? </quote> yes <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote> Also, you'll probably edit this part out in your reply, but I have no issues with the "Not buying? Not using restroom" policy.</quote> Ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 6:38:12 PM #363:	UnfairRepresent posted... hockeybub89 posted... If this ok, then I guess any store or restaurant can get anyone arrested for trespassing? "Oh, you bought dinner? Your analogy instantly fails because these guys did not buy anything And yet a logical and reasonable conclusion would be that they intended to once their friend arrived. No one has proven this not to have been the case with them, as no one has proven they were given a chance to buy something once the police were involved. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899713694] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> If this ok, then I guess any store or restaurant can get anyone arrested for trespassing? "Oh, you bought dinner?</quote> Your analogy instantly fails because these guys did not buy anything</quote> And yet a logical and reasonable conclusion would be that they intended to once their friend arrived. No one has proven this not to have been the case with them, as no one has proven they were given a chance to buy something once the police were involved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 6:41:24 PM #364:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... UnfairRepresent posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... You asked question. You have answer to question as "no" as in "no, other people who hadn't bought anything were not asked to leave." Why was that the case? Because they weren't sitting there refusing to leave or buy anything while using the facalities.... Were they (the other yet-to-buy patrons) being asked to leave? Were they (the other yet-to-buy patrons) also asking to use the facilities (Not facalities lmao) and being denied? Still yes and yes? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899713829] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote> You asked question. You have answer to question as "no" as in "no, other people who hadn't bought anything were not asked to leave." Why was that the case?</quote> Because they weren't sitting there refusing to leave or buy anything while using the facalities....</quote> Were they (the other yet-to-buy patrons) being asked to leave? Were they (the other yet-to-buy patrons) also asking to use the facilities (Not facalities lmao) and being denied?</quote> Still yes and yes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Atralis 04/15/18 6:42:58 PM #365:	hockeybub89 posted... Atralis posted... This seems like the kind of thing where Starbucks acted within the letter of the law but they should have exercised better judgement. I can't just randomly decide one day that one customer at work is trespassing while no one else is. That doesn't make it so. That's not how things work. That would be like calling the cops on someone for theft because they picked up an item. Everyone picks up items. You'd have to prove that this person was truly intending to steal and that you weren't just making up policy or ignoring policy because you didn't like that person for some reason. I don't know 100% what happened in this situation but I'm sure you would agree that businesses like restaurants and cafes should have the right to restrict their space to paying customers. The time limit isn't codified for obvious reasons. One business may set a time limit for someone ordering something at 10 minutes before they ask them to leave, another may set it at an hour, another may just let people hang around as long as they want. But legally the line is drawn when a business owner requests someone to leave and they refuse. Then it becomes trespassing. <cite>Atralis posted [p:899713904] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Atralis posted...</cite> <quote>This seems like the kind of thing where Starbucks acted within the letter of the law but they should have exercised better judgement.</quote> I can't just randomly decide one day that one customer at work is trespassing while no one else is. That doesn't make it so. That's not how things work. That would be like calling the cops on someone for theft because they picked up an item. Everyone picks up items. You'd have to prove that this person was truly intending to steal and that you weren't just making up policy or ignoring policy because you didn't like that person for some reason.</quote> I don't know 100% what happened in this situation but I'm sure you would agree that businesses like restaurants and cafes should have the right to restrict their space to paying customers. The time limit isn't codified for obvious reasons. One business may set a time limit for someone ordering something at 10 minutes before they ask them to leave, another may set it at an hour, another may just let people hang around as long as they want. But legally the line is drawn when a business owner requests someone to leave and they refuse. Then it becomes trespassing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:43:29 PM #366:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... And yet a logical and reasonable conclusion would be that they intended to once their friend arrived. Wut no its not. That's also not relevant anyway as they could simply leave and come back. Or just just 1 drink while they wait You're literally making shit up just to be angry about it --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899713933] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote> And yet a logical and reasonable conclusion would be that they intended to once their friend arrived.</quote> Wut no its not. That's also not relevant anyway as they could simply leave and come back. Or just just 1 drink while they wait You're literally making shit up just to be angry about it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xOmniCloudx 04/15/18 6:43:31 PM #367:	I've been constantly profiled by cops while I was sitting at a bus stop while I was on my phone with my headphones in. Not surprising since existing while Black is a crime punishable by death in the US of A. --- This is GameFAQs. People here take great pride in ignoring common sense. <cite>xOmniCloudx posted [p:899713934] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>I've been constantly profiled by cops while I was sitting at a bus stop while I was on my phone with my headphones in. Not surprising since existing while Black is a crime punishable by death in the US of A.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:45:13 PM #368:	UnfairRepresent posted... hockeybub89 posted... If this ok, then I guess any store or restaurant can get anyone arrested for trespassing? "Oh, you bought dinner? Your analogy instantly fails because these guys did not buy anything I was making an analogy of selectively making up policy. "Buy something or you're trespassing" is not policy there and you can't suddenly make it so and call people criminals. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899714019] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> If this ok, then I guess any store or restaurant can get anyone arrested for trespassing? "Oh, you bought dinner?</quote> Your analogy instantly fails because these guys did not buy anything</quote> I was making an analogy of selectively making up policy. "Buy something or you're trespassing" is not policy there and you can't suddenly make it so and call people criminals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:47:02 PM #369:	UnfairRepresent posted... You're literally making shit up just to be angry about it Like everyone ignoring Starbucks policy and the fact that people do this all the time without being confronted and arrested? Hell, there isn't even proof that they were confronted multiple times before the cops arrived. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899714118] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>You're literally making shit up just to be angry about it</quote> Like everyone ignoring Starbucks policy and the fact that people do this all the time without being confronted and arrested? Hell, there isn't even proof that they were confronted multiple times before the cops arrived.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 6:47:10 PM #370:	UnfairRepresent posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... And yet a logical and reasonable conclusion would be that they intended to once their friend arrived. Wut no its not. That's also not relevant anyway as they could simply leave and come back. Or just just 1 drink while they wait You're literally making shit up just to be angry about it Why have you convinced yourself that I'm angry? What am I making up? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899714132] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote> And yet a logical and reasonable conclusion would be that they intended to once their friend arrived.</quote> Wut no its not. That's also not relevant anyway as they could simply leave and come back. Or just just 1 drink while they wait You're literally making shit up just to be angry about it</quote> Why have you convinced yourself that I'm angry? What am I making up?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:49:28 PM #371:	hockeybub89 posted... Like everyone ignoring Starbucks policy and the fact that people do this all the time without being confronted and arrested? Who enters private property, refuses to buy anything and repeatedly refuses to leave to the cops and the employees asking them too without being arrested? You're talking shit. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899714254] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> Like everyone ignoring Starbucks policy and the fact that people do this all the time without being confronted and arrested? </quote> Who enters private property, refuses to buy anything and repeatedly refuses to leave to the cops and the employees asking them too without being arrested? You're talking shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
apocalyptic_4 04/15/18 6:49:33 PM #372:	Can someone sum up this topic plz --- PSN: Adrian396 XBL: Prime Legacy Nintendo ID: Apocalypse <cite>apocalyptic_4 posted [p:899714258] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>Can someone sum up this topic plz</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:50:13 PM #373:	Atralis posted... I don't know 100% what happened in this situation but I'm sure you would agree that businesses like restaurants and cafes should have the right to restrict their space to paying customers. And Starbucks has given up that right outside of very busy periods by making it policy to be a hangout spot. You have to enforce policies equally. Businesses do not have the right to kick out anyone for any reason. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899714289] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>Atralis posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know 100% what happened in this situation but I'm sure you would agree that businesses like restaurants and cafes should have the right to restrict their space to paying customers. </quote> And Starbucks has given up that right outside of very busy periods by making it policy to be a hangout spot. You have to enforce policies equally. Businesses do not have the right to kick out anyone for any reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:52:38 PM #374:	UnfairRepresent posted... hockeybub89 posted... Like everyone ignoring Starbucks policy and the fact that people do this all the time without being confronted and arrested? Who enters private property, refuses to buy anything and repeatedly refuses to leave to the cops and the employees asking them too without being arrested? You're talking shit. No, which begs the question of why (allegedly) being repeatedly asked to leave and having the cops called happened here when it doesn't happen to everyone who doesn't buy something at Starbucks. Am I lucky to not have dozens of misdemeanor trespassing arrests on my record? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899714417] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> Like everyone ignoring Starbucks policy and the fact that people do this all the time without being confronted and arrested? </quote> Who enters private property, refuses to buy anything and repeatedly refuses to leave to the cops and the employees asking them too without being arrested? You're talking shit.</quote> No, which begs the question of why (allegedly) being repeatedly asked to leave and having the cops called happened here when it doesn't happen to everyone who doesn't buy something at Starbucks. Am I lucky to not have dozens of misdemeanor trespassing arrests on my record?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayerblade11 04/15/18 6:53:15 PM #375:	Coulda just left instead of mouthing off to the cops and they wouldn't have been arrested. <cite>Slayerblade11 posted [p:899714441] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>Coulda just left instead of mouthing off to the cops and they wouldn't have been arrested.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 04/15/18 6:53:41 PM #376:	I've never seen anybody get kicked out for not ordering food in an eatery. Is this an American thing? --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:899714465] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>I've never seen anybody get kicked out for not ordering food in an eatery. Is this an American thing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:53:59 PM #377:	apocalyptic_4 posted... Can someone sum up this topic plz hockeybub89 posted... Businesses do not have the right to kick out anyone for any reason. wut Are you real? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899714474] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>apocalyptic_4 posted...</cite> <quote>Can someone sum up this topic plz</quote> <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> Businesses do not have the right to kick out anyone for any reason.</quote> wut Are you real?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaWarrior455 04/15/18 6:55:04 PM #378:	apocalyptic_4 posted... Can someone sum up this topic plz People still decide to respond to UR and Addy despite their tendency to troll. --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:899714528] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>apocalyptic_4 posted...</cite> <quote>Can someone sum up this topic plz</quote> People still decide to respond to UR and Addy despite their tendency to troll.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 6:56:13 PM #379:	UnfairRepresent posted... apocalyptic_4 posted... Can someone sum up this topic plz Which one is you? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899714593] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>apocalyptic_4 posted...</cite> <quote>Can someone sum up this topic plz</quote> </quote> Which one is you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:57:49 PM #380:	UnfairRepresent posted... wut Are you real? Yes, there are multiple caveats to those "We have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason" signs. They can't be a protected class. They typically can't even be a non-protected class. They can't be kicked out for doing things that other people are allowed to do. They typically have to be causing some kind of disruption or hazard risk. I can't find out you are UnfairRepresent and kick you out of a bar because you're wearing the color blue, unless I kick everyone out who wears blue or you are causing some kind of disruption. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899714687] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>wut Are you real?</quote> Yes, there are multiple caveats to those "We have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason" signs. They can't be a protected class. They typically can't even be a non-protected class. They can't be kicked out for doing things that other people are allowed to do. They typically have to be causing some kind of disruption or hazard risk. I can't find out you are UnfairRepresent and kick you out of a bar because you're wearing the color blue, unless I kick everyone out who wears blue or you are causing some kind of disruption.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xOmniCloudx 04/15/18 7:04:58 PM #381:	LightningAce11 posted... I've never seen anybody get kicked out for not ordering food in an eatery. Is this an American thing? Only if you're Black or a minority that's considered dangerous just because. --- This is GameFAQs. People here take great pride in ignoring common sense. <cite>xOmniCloudx posted [p:899715026] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>I've never seen anybody get kicked out for not ordering food in an eatery. Is this an American thing?</quote> Only if you're Black or a minority that's considered dangerous just because.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Atralis 04/15/18 7:08:35 PM #382:	hockeybub89 posted... Atralis posted... I don't know 100% what happened in this situation but I'm sure you would agree that businesses like restaurants and cafes should have the right to restrict their space to paying customers. And Starbucks has given up that right outside of very busy periods by making it policy to be a hangout spot. You have to enforce policies equally. Businesses do not have the right to kick out anyone for any reason. I get what you are saying but it is difficult to legislate something like that. How do you define "hangout spot" how do you define "busy period". With discrimination law you can legislate around something binary like someone being refused service. Either they took your order and cash and provided you with food or they refused to. But when you start bringing in things like whether or not this particular Starbucks was a "hangout spot" and whether or not this was a "busy period" you are in muddy waters. <cite>Atralis posted [p:899715192] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Atralis posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know 100% what happened in this situation but I'm sure you would agree that businesses like restaurants and cafes should have the right to restrict their space to paying customers. </quote> And Starbucks has given up that right outside of very busy periods by making it policy to be a hangout spot. You have to enforce policies equally. Businesses do not have the right to kick out anyone for any reason.</quote> I get what you are saying but it is difficult to legislate something like that. How do you define "hangout spot" how do you define "busy period". With discrimination law you can legislate around something binary like someone being refused service. Either they took your order and cash and provided you with food or they refused to. But when you start bringing in things like whether or not this particular Starbucks was a "hangout spot" and whether or not this was a "busy period" you are in muddy waters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 04/15/18 7:10:18 PM #383:	Imagine if they started doing this to everyone and not just certain people. So many cheap hipsters would lose a hangout <cite>Axiom posted [p:899715273] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>Imagine if they started doing this to everyone and not just certain people. So many cheap hipsters would lose a hangout</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
goldenBoi45 04/15/18 7:43:23 PM #384:	If I was a self made, successful black stock broker who was being seriously harrassed about not buying shit coffee while I I wait for my friend I would be pissed as well. He's probably waited in a million Starbucks for business acquaintances/friends to show up and not been bothered. Starbucks is that type of place tbh. Then you see other patrons (who are all white) get to use the bathroom and just lounge for an hour without buying anything and aren't even questioned. The fact is that being the only black patrons at this Starbucks put a spotlight on them. Being successful black men who probably have had to put up with alot of shit to get where they are, and knew they were doing nothing wrong, made them angry in this situation. As they should have been. This whole "they should have just complied" nonsense or the "it was a group of black people making a scene" assumptions are the major problem here. You guys on the right rant all day about identity politics but then you outright refuse to call this an injustice simply because the two men are black. Hell, @The_Admiral took the side of the police without even reading the article in the last topic. Which is evident by his assumption that it was a "group of people". All this Us vs Them nonsense is gonna kill us if we can't at least come together and shame an obvious miscarriage of justice when it happens. --- Getting girls is all about honesty. If you can fake that, you're in! <cite>goldenBoi45 posted [p:899716956] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>If I was a self made, successful black stock broker who was being seriously harrassed about not buying shit coffee while I I wait for my friend I would be pissed as well. He's probably waited in a million Starbucks for business acquaintances/friends to show up and not been bothered. Starbucks is that type of place tbh. Then you see other patrons (who are all white) get to use the bathroom and just lounge for an hour without buying anything and aren't even questioned. The fact is that being the only black patrons at this Starbucks put a spotlight on them. Being successful black men who probably have had to put up with alot of shit to get where they are, and knew they were doing nothing wrong, made them angry in this situation. As they should have been. This whole "they should have just complied" nonsense or the "it was a group of black people making a scene" assumptions are the major problem here. You guys on the right rant all day about identity politics but then you outright refuse to call this an injustice simply because the two men are black. Hell, @The_Admiral took the side of the police without even reading the article in the last topic. Which is evident by his assumption that it was a "group of people". All this Us vs Them nonsense is gonna kill us if we can't at least come together and shame an obvious miscarriage of justice when it happens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RuffledPeanuts 04/15/18 8:07:10 PM #385:	goldenBoi45 posted... just lounge for an hour without buying anything How often does this happen? How many people go to Starbucks and don't even buy anything? Tried looking it up but can't find anything. Everyone is acting like the majority of Starbucks' guests (Or at least a significant portion of their guests) don't buy anything from Starbucks and then just hang out. That sounds a bit far fetched. I can't even find any information on how often this policy has been enforced but that's probably because Starbucks' policy is purposefully vague and difficult to enforce. If anyone can find any of this information, it would be much appreciated. --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/AJSadler/RuffledPeanuts.jpg <cite>RuffledPeanuts posted [p:899718180] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>goldenBoi45 posted...</cite> <quote>just lounge for an hour without buying anything </quote> How often does this happen? How many people go to Starbucks and don't even buy anything? Tried looking it up but can't find anything. Everyone is acting like the majority of Starbucks' guests (Or at least a significant portion of their guests) don't buy anything from Starbucks and then just hang out. That sounds a bit far fetched. I can't even find any information on how often this policy has been enforced but that's probably because Starbucks' policy is purposefully vague and difficult to enforce. If anyone can find any of this information, it would be much appreciated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 04/15/18 8:11:14 PM #386:	RuffledPeanuts posted... goldenBoi45 posted... just lounge for an hour without buying anything How often does this happen? How many people go to Starbucks and don't even buy anything? Tried looking it up but can't find anything. Everyone is acting like the majority of Starbucks' guests (Or at least a significant portion of their guests) don't buy anything from Starbucks and then just hang out. That sounds a bit far fetched. I can't even find any information on how often this policy has been enforced but that's probably because Starbucks' policy is purposefully vague and difficult to enforce. If anyone can find any of this information, it would be much appreciated. Some people go there and lounge around to use their wi-fi. --- New signature needed, acquire within from management <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:899718396] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>RuffledPeanuts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>goldenBoi45 posted...</cite> <quote>just lounge for an hour without buying anything </quote> How often does this happen? How many people go to Starbucks and don't even buy anything? Tried looking it up but can't find anything. Everyone is acting like the majority of Starbucks' guests (Or at least a significant portion of their guests) don't buy anything from Starbucks and then just hang out. That sounds a bit far fetched. I can't even find any information on how often this policy has been enforced but that's probably because Starbucks' policy is purposefully vague and difficult to enforce. If anyone can find any of this information, it would be much appreciated.</quote> Some people go there and lounge around to use their wi-fi.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 04/15/18 8:19:34 PM #387:	hockeybub89 posted... Businesses do not have the right to kick out anyone for any reason. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M" data-time=" --- Sig User Logic http://i.imgur.com/lA5fm7w.jpg <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:899718827] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Businesses do not have the right to kick out anyone for any reason.</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dusk_ 04/15/18 8:24:36 PM #388:	Axiom posted... Imagine if they started doing this to everyone and not just certain people. So many cheap hipsters would lose a hangout They do already... the difference is those hipsters leave when asked. --- ...dusk is the time when men whisper of matters about which they remain silent in the full light of the sun. http://i.imgur.com/aCDRb27.gif <cite>Dusk_ posted [p:899719051] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if they started doing this to everyone and not just certain people. So many cheap hipsters would lose a hangout</quote> They do already... the difference is those hipsters leave when asked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/15/18 8:27:17 PM #389:	Axiom posted... Imagine if they started doing this to everyone and not just certain people. So many cheap hipsters would lose a hangout Just happened last month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEZtmEunkWs" data-time=" Difference between this man and those black guys is that he complied when kicked out for loitering. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899719198] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if they started doing this to everyone and not just certain people. So many cheap hipsters would lose a hangout</quote> Just happened last month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEZtmEunkWs" data-time=" Difference between this man and those black guys is that he complied when kicked out for loitering.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RuffledPeanuts 04/15/18 8:27:46 PM #390:	1NfamousACE_2 posted... RuffledPeanuts posted... goldenBoi45 posted... just lounge for an hour without buying anything How often does this happen? How many people go to Starbucks and don't even buy anything? Tried looking it up but can't find anything. Everyone is acting like the majority of Starbucks' guests (Or at least a significant portion of their guests) don't buy anything from Starbucks and then just hang out. That sounds a bit far fetched. I can't even find any information on how often this policy has been enforced but that's probably because Starbucks' policy is purposefully vague and difficult to enforce. If anyone can find any of this information, it would be much appreciated. Some people go there and lounge around to use their wi-fi. I get that and I've done that but I always bought something. Don't know why people are assuming everyone who does this does so without purchasing something or never gets asked to leave. Policy is stupid and vague but such a strange assumption to be taken as fact by so many people. --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/AJSadler/RuffledPeanuts.jpg <cite>RuffledPeanuts posted [p:899719221] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RuffledPeanuts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>goldenBoi45 posted...</cite> <quote>just lounge for an hour without buying anything </quote> How often does this happen? How many people go to Starbucks and don't even buy anything? Tried looking it up but can't find anything. Everyone is acting like the majority of Starbucks' guests (Or at least a significant portion of their guests) don't buy anything from Starbucks and then just hang out. That sounds a bit far fetched. I can't even find any information on how often this policy has been enforced but that's probably because Starbucks' policy is purposefully vague and difficult to enforce. If anyone can find any of this information, it would be much appreciated.</quote> Some people go there and lounge around to use their wi-fi.</quote> I get that and I've done that but I always bought something. Don't know why people are assuming everyone who does this does so without purchasing something or never gets asked to leave. Policy is stupid and vague but such a strange assumption to be taken as fact by so many people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SMAP- 04/15/18 8:28:27 PM #391:	I like to drink coffee --- http://imgur.com/a/RJN1f my favorite albums <cite>SMAP- posted [p:899719269] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>I like to drink coffee</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 04/15/18 8:28:57 PM #392:	Dusk_ posted... Axiom posted... Imagine if they started doing this to everyone and not just certain people. So many cheap hipsters would lose a hangout They do already... the difference is those hipsters leave when asked. That's weird cause they practically live at all the starbucks I've been to and never get asked to leave <cite>Axiom posted [p:899719296] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dusk_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if they started doing this to everyone and not just certain people. So many cheap hipsters would lose a hangout</quote> They do already... the difference is those hipsters leave when asked.</quote> That's weird cause they practically live at all the starbucks I've been to and never get asked to leave</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
145 04/16/18 1:41:18 AM #393:	sooo... --- DSP would he a sexy MFer if he worked on his looks -DeadlyNinjaBees- <cite>145 posted [p:899733595] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>sooo...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/16/18 2:09:43 AM #394:	Fuck --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899734367] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>Fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/16/18 2:44:09 AM #395:	goldenBoi45 posted... You guys on the right rant all day about identity politics but then you outright refuse to call this an injustice simply because the two men are black. Seems the other way round to me. People seem to be arguing "Yeah they refused to leave and broke the law but its okay because they are black" which is pretty uncomfortable --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899735188] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>goldenBoi45 posted...</cite> <quote> You guys on the right rant all day about identity politics but then you outright refuse to call this an injustice simply because the two men are black. </quote> Seems the other way round to me. People seem to be arguing "Yeah they refused to leave and broke the law but its okay because they are black" which is pretty uncomfortable</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 04/16/18 2:47:54 AM #396:	darkjedilink posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... There is no proof that they were loitering though, as there is no proof that they intended to leave without buying anything upon their friend's arrival. Literally choosing to be arrested instead of ordering a fucking latte is proof that they intended to leave without buying anything. In what fucking world? --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:899735270] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>There is no proof that they were loitering though, as there is no proof that they intended to leave without buying anything upon their friend's arrival.</quote> Literally choosing to be arrested instead of ordering a fucking latte is proof that they intended to leave without buying anything.</quote> In what fucking world?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 04/16/18 2:51:16 AM #397:	UnfairRepresent posted... As I said no one has been able to answer why this is a big deal. They have, multiple times over but since you have a gimmick to maintain, you'll ignore that. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:899735331] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>As I said no one has been able to answer why this is a big deal. </quote> They have, multiple times over but since you have a gimmick to maintain, you'll ignore that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/16/18 2:52:48 AM #398:	dave_is_slick posted... They have, Ok then why is it a big deal? And he was never seen again --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899735353] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote> They have, </quote> Ok then why is it a big deal? And he was never seen again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 04/16/18 3:08:38 AM #399:	UnfairRepresent posted... Wut no its not. Shut the fuck up, god. This is the worst I've ever seen you been and that's a fucking low bar. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:899735660] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Wut no its not.</quote> Shut the fuck up, god. This is the worst I've ever seen you been and that's a fucking low bar.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 04/16/18 3:11:11 AM #400:	UnfairRepresent posted... Wut no its not. Shut the fuck up, god. This is the worst I've ever seen you been and that's a fucking low bar.UnfairRepresent posted... Ok then why is it a big deal? And he was never seen again dave_is_slick posted... since you have a gimmick to maintain, you'll ignore that. Go be stupid somewhere else. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:899735712] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Wut no its not.</quote> Shut the fuck up, god. This is the worst I've ever seen you been and that's a fucking low bar.<cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Ok then why is it a big deal? And he was never seen again</quote> <cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>since you have a gimmick to maintain, you'll ignore that.</quote> Go be stupid somewhere else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/16/18 3:13:50 AM #401:	As I said, you cant explain why it;s a big deal either, you can just insult people --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899735761] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>As I said, you cant explain why it;s a big deal either, you can just insult people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 04/16/18 5:51:39 AM #402:	UnfairRepresent posted... People seem to be arguing "Yeah they refused to leave and broke the law but its okay because they are black" which is pretty uncomfortable --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:899738613] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>People seem to be arguing "Yeah they refused to leave and broke the law but its okay because they are black" which is pretty uncomfortable</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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