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Dusk_ 04/15/18 5:41:51 PM #302:	The Admiral posted... Dude got a NKL for outright hate speech. Fucking unreal. Imagine it was the opposite way around and the hate was towards black people. Yeah and the mods don't have a bias here... --- ...dusk is the time when men whisper of matters about which they remain silent in the full light of the sun. http://i.imgur.com/aCDRb27.gif <cite>Dusk_ posted [p:899710795] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Dude got a NKL for outright hate speech. Fucking unreal.</quote> Imagine it was the opposite way around and the hate was towards black people. Yeah and the mods don't have a bias here...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrGoodBadGuy 04/15/18 5:43:42 PM #303:	Loitering is illegal. <cite>MrGoodBadGuy posted [p:899710898] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>Loitering is illegal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 5:44:04 PM #304:	Dusk_ posted... The Admiral posted... Dude got a NKL for outright hate speech. Fucking unreal. Imagine it was the opposite way around and the hate was towards black people. Yeah and the mods don't have a bias here... Blatant racism gets ignored here every fucking day. The mod staff would have to be competent before they could tackle advanced methods like organized bias. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899710924] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dusk_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Dude got a NKL for outright hate speech. Fucking unreal.</quote> Imagine it was the opposite way around and the hate was towards black people. Yeah and the mods don't have a bias here...</quote> Blatant racism gets ignored here every fucking day. The mod staff would have to be competent before they could tackle advanced methods like organized bias.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/15/18 5:45:11 PM #305:	hockeybub89 posted... Dusk_ posted... The Admiral posted... Dude got a NKL for outright hate speech. Fucking unreal. Imagine it was the opposite way around and the hate was towards black people. Yeah and the mods don't have a bias here... Blatant racism gets ignored here every fucking day. The mod staff would have to be competent before they could tackle advanced methods like organized bias. Literally no chance a guy using racial slurs against blacks and wishing for the entire race to be killed would get a NKL. He'd be warned/suspended immediately. That's a shit moderating job, and there is no defending it. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899710982] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dusk_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Dude got a NKL for outright hate speech. Fucking unreal.</quote> Imagine it was the opposite way around and the hate was towards black people. Yeah and the mods don't have a bias here...</quote> Blatant racism gets ignored here every fucking day. The mod staff would have to be competent before they could tackle advanced methods like organized bias.</quote> Literally no chance a guy using racial slurs against blacks and wishing for the entire race to be killed would get a NKL. He'd be warned/suspended immediately. That's a shit moderating job, and there is no defending it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 5:46:23 PM #306:	UnfairRepresent posted... hockeybub89 posted... Let's also not forget that Starbucks and the police were apparently a-ok with multiple other scumbag criminals trespassing while they arrested these guys. Was anyone else there repeatedly asked to leave and repeatedly refused while not ordering anything? If not then this is just rambling. Which is confusing because why is some illegal trespassing ok? Wait, what if someone at this Starbucks randomly ignored company policy to call the cops on these two people? Maybe because they have some sort of bias, potentially based on skin tones. You don't get to pick and choose who to kick out or randomly make up rules for some people. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899711047] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> Let's also not forget that Starbucks and the police were apparently a-ok with multiple other scumbag criminals trespassing while they arrested these guys.</quote> Was anyone else there repeatedly asked to leave and repeatedly refused while not ordering anything? If not then this is just rambling.</quote> Which is confusing because why is some illegal trespassing ok? Wait, what if someone at this Starbucks randomly ignored company policy to call the cops on these two people? Maybe because they have some sort of bias, potentially based on skin tones. You don't get to pick and choose who to kick out or randomly make up rules for some people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 04/15/18 5:46:26 PM #307:	The Admiral posted... Bishop9800 posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Back on topic, why do people keep saying these men "broke the law"? The police very specifically said they were released because there was no evidence that any law was broken. No, they most certainly did not say that. They released them only because Starbucks declined to press charges. You're right, the police didn't say that. The Philly DA did. https://tinyurl.com/y9n6wm52 The Philadelphia District Attorneys office declined to have the men arraigned because of lack of evidence, a spokesperson for DA Larry Krasner confirmed to Billy Penn. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:899711049] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Back on topic, why do people keep saying these men "broke the law"? The police very specifically said they were released because there was no evidence that any law was broken. </quote></quote> No, they most certainly did not say that. They released them only because Starbucks declined to press charges.</quote> You're right, the police didn't say that. The Philly DA did. https://tinyurl.com/y9n6wm52 <quote>The Philadelphia District Attorneys office declined to have the men arraigned because of lack of evidence, a spokesperson for DA Larry Krasner confirmed to Billy Penn.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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-Henri 04/15/18 5:47:39 PM #309:	The Admiral posted... Dude got a NKL for outright hate speech. Fucking unreal. Which slur did he actually use? I didn't see the original post. --- hey hey you you <cite>-Henri posted [p:899711097] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Dude got a NKL for outright hate speech. Fucking unreal.</quote> Which slur did he actually use? I didn't see the original post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/15/18 5:48:57 PM #310:	TrevorBlack79 posted... The Admiral posted... Bishop9800 posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Back on topic, why do people keep saying these men "broke the law"? The police very specifically said they were released because there was no evidence that any law was broken. No, they most certainly did not say that. They released them only because Starbucks declined to press charges. You're right, the police didn't say that. The Philly DA did. https://tinyurl.com/y9n6wm52 The Philadelphia District Attorneys office declined to have the men arraigned because of lack of evidence, a spokesperson for DA Larry Krasner confirmed to Billy Penn. They have no evidence if Starbucks does not press charges. I'm literally telling you what the news report said: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Outrage-Over-Video-Showing-Two-Black-Men-Arrested-at-Philadelphia-Starbucks-479771543.html The men, who have not been identified, were later released after Starbucks declined to press trespassing charges. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899711160] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Back on topic, why do people keep saying these men "broke the law"? The police very specifically said they were released because there was no evidence that any law was broken. </quote></quote> No, they most certainly did not say that. They released them only because Starbucks declined to press charges.</quote> You're right, the police didn't say that. The Philly DA did. https://tinyurl.com/y9n6wm52 <quote>The Philadelphia District Attorneys office declined to have the men arraigned because of lack of evidence, a spokesperson for DA Larry Krasner confirmed to Billy Penn.</quote></quote> They have no evidence if Starbucks does not press charges. I'm literally telling you what the news report said: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Outrage-Over-Video-Showing-Two-Black-Men-Arrested-at-Philadelphia-Starbucks-479771543.html <quote>The men, who have not been identified, were later released after Starbucks declined to press trespassing charges.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 5:49:18 PM #311:	shockthemonkey posted... I love how no one is defending the selective enforcement of the policy but theyre still trying to argue that it was right. They've heard of those right to refuse signs and literally think it means businesses are allowed to pick and choose who policies apply to and even who can legally be in their store. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899711180] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>I love how no one is defending the selective enforcement of the policy but theyre still trying to argue that it was right.</quote> They've heard of those right to refuse signs and literally think it means businesses are allowed to pick and choose who policies apply to and even who can legally be in their store.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/15/18 5:49:52 PM #312:	-Henri posted... The Admiral posted... Dude got a NKL for outright hate speech. Fucking unreal. Which slur did he actually use? I didn't see the original post. cacs, which is an abbreviation for creepy ass crackers. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899711205] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>-Henri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Dude got a NKL for outright hate speech. Fucking unreal.</quote> Which slur did he actually use? I didn't see the original post.</quote> cacs, which is an abbreviation for creepy ass crackers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 5:50:05 PM #313:	The Admiral posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... The Admiral posted... Bishop9800 posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Back on topic, why do people keep saying these men "broke the law"? The police very specifically said they were released because there was no evidence that any law was broken. No, they most certainly did not say that. They released them only because Starbucks declined to press charges. You're right, the police didn't say that. The Philly DA did. https://tinyurl.com/y9n6wm52 The Philadelphia District Attorneys office declined to have the men arraigned because of lack of evidence, a spokesperson for DA Larry Krasner confirmed to Billy Penn. They have no evidence if Starbucks does not press charges. I'm literally telling you what the news report said: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Outrage-Over-Video-Showing-Two-Black-Men-Arrested-at-Philadelphia-Starbucks-479771543.html The men, who have not been identified, were later released after Starbucks declined to press trespassing charges. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899711221] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Back on topic, why do people keep saying these men "broke the law"? The police very specifically said they were released because there was no evidence that any law was broken. </quote></quote> No, they most certainly did not say that. They released them only because Starbucks declined to press charges.</quote> You're right, the police didn't say that. The Philly DA did. https://tinyurl.com/y9n6wm52 <quote>The Philadelphia District Attorneys office declined to have the men arraigned because of lack of evidence, a spokesperson for DA Larry Krasner confirmed to Billy Penn.</quote></quote> They have no evidence if Starbucks does not press charges. I'm literally telling you what the news report said: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Outrage-Over-Video-Showing-Two-Black-Men-Arrested-at-Philadelphia-Starbucks-479771543.html <quote>The men, who have not been identified, were later released after Starbucks declined to press trespassing charges.</quote></quote> What happened to innocent until proven guilty?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrGoodBadGuy 04/15/18 5:51:42 PM #314:	Why are the white customers saying anything? <cite>MrGoodBadGuy posted [p:899711312] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>Why are the white customers saying anything?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/15/18 5:52:32 PM #315:	hockeybub89 posted... What happened to innocent until proven guilty? That's a judicial standard for courts. Completely separate standard and branch of government from the police. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899711351] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>What happened to innocent until proven guilty?</quote> That's a judicial standard for courts. Completely separate standard and branch of government from the police.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 04/15/18 5:52:49 PM #316:	MrGoodBadGuy posted... Why are the white customers saying anything? Because they know that this was bullshit. --- I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you. PSN-Bishop9800 <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:899711369] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrGoodBadGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Why are the white customers saying anything?</quote> Because they know that this was bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 04/15/18 5:53:47 PM #317:	The Admiral posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... The Admiral posted... Bishop9800 posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Back on topic, why do people keep saying these men "broke the law"? The police very specifically said they were released because there was no evidence that any law was broken. No, they most certainly did not say that. They released them only because Starbucks declined to press charges. You're right, the police didn't say that. The Philly DA did. https://tinyurl.com/y9n6wm52 The Philadelphia District Attorneys office declined to have the men arraigned because of lack of evidence, a spokesperson for DA Larry Krasner confirmed to Billy Penn. They have no evidence if Starbucks does not press charges. I'm literally telling you what the news report said: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Outrage-Over-Video-Showing-Two-Black-Men-Arrested-at-Philadelphia-Starbucks-479771543.html The men, who have not been identified, were later released after Starbucks declined to press trespassing charges. So same thing, different wording? --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:899711418] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Back on topic, why do people keep saying these men "broke the law"? The police very specifically said they were released because there was no evidence that any law was broken. </quote></quote> No, they most certainly did not say that. They released them only because Starbucks declined to press charges.</quote> You're right, the police didn't say that. The Philly DA did. https://tinyurl.com/y9n6wm52 <quote>The Philadelphia District Attorneys office declined to have the men arraigned because of lack of evidence, a spokesperson for DA Larry Krasner confirmed to Billy Penn.</quote></quote> They have no evidence if Starbucks does not press charges. I'm literally telling you what the news report said: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Outrage-Over-Video-Showing-Two-Black-Men-Arrested-at-Philadelphia-Starbucks-479771543.html <quote>The men, who have not been identified, were later released after Starbucks declined to press trespassing charges.</quote></quote> So same thing, different wording?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dreamvoid 04/15/18 5:54:42 PM #318:	MrGoodBadGuy posted... Why are the white customers saying anything? why does it matter if they are white? i expect anyone of good character to speak up when they see something wrong. --- http://imgur.com/2Qfzt9X.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qlXpj2E.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rPe48jC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5xltd3r.jpg <cite>dreamvoid posted [p:899711457] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrGoodBadGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Why are the white customers saying anything?</quote> why does it matter if they are white? i expect anyone of good character to speak up when they see something wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 04/15/18 5:55:15 PM #319:	cardoor123 posted... They don't need to discuss the details to the public. If they don't have to release details, the public is justified in believing whatever story they decide is true. The cops can stop this by being upfront with all their info but they never will <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:899711486] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>cardoor123 posted...</cite> <quote>They don't need to discuss the details to the public.</quote> If they don't have to release details, the public is justified in believing whatever story they decide is true. The cops can stop this by being upfront with all their info but they never will</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 5:55:16 PM #320:	hockeybub89 posted... What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Erm wut What does that have to do with anything? By that token of logic you could never arrest anyone. You're not guilty because you were arrested dude --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899711489] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> What happened to innocent until proven guilty?</quote> Erm wut What does that have to do with anything? By that token of logic you could never arrest anyone. You're not guilty because you were arrested dude</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 5:56:28 PM #321:	The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... What happened to innocent until proven guilty? That's a judicial standard for courts. Completely separate standard and branch of government from the police. While I have you, can I ask what you think about a store randomly ignoring corporate policy to get 2 guys arrested for loitering? While other "trespassers" looked on? While thousands of people "trespass" at places like Starbucks and Panera every day without being called criminals who are lucky to not have charges pressed against them? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899711547] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>What happened to innocent until proven guilty?</quote> That's a judicial standard for courts. Completely separate standard and branch of government from the police.</quote> While I have you, can I ask what you think about a store randomly ignoring corporate policy to get 2 guys arrested for loitering? While other "trespassers" looked on? While thousands of people "trespass" at places like Starbucks and Panera every day without being called criminals who are lucky to not have charges pressed against them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShinobiNinjaX 04/15/18 5:56:48 PM #322:	The Admiral posted... Literally no chance a guy using racial slurs against blacks and wishing for the entire race to be killed would get a NKL. He'd be suspended immediately. That's a shit moderating job and there is no defending it. Racial slurs against whites don't reach the level of dehumanization, so they never "sound" as "bad" as slurs against minorities. I think mods factor that in subconsciously. Dude also threw mayo in there which just make the whole post lose what little edge it had. --- Ninja Art: Post Message Jutsu!! <cite>ShinobiNinjaX posted [p:899711564] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Literally no chance a guy using racial slurs against blacks and wishing for the entire race to be killed would get a NKL. He'd be suspended immediately. That's a shit moderating job and there is no defending it.</quote> Racial slurs against whites don't reach the level of dehumanization, so they never "sound" as "bad" as slurs against minorities. I think mods factor that in subconsciously. Dude also threw mayo in there which just make the whole post lose what little edge it had.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-Henri 04/15/18 5:57:49 PM #323:	The Admiral posted... -Henri posted... The Admiral posted... Dude got a NKL for outright hate speech. Fucking unreal. Which slur did he actually use? I didn't see the original post. cacs, which is an abbreviation for creepy ass crackers. Well that's a new one. If he said that about any other group of people he probably would have taken worse then a simple moderation. --- hey hey you you <cite>-Henri posted [p:899711623] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>-Henri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Dude got a NKL for outright hate speech. Fucking unreal.</quote> Which slur did he actually use? I didn't see the original post.</quote> cacs, which is an abbreviation for creepy ass crackers.</quote> Well that's a new one. If he said that about any other group of people he probably would have taken worse then a simple moderation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 5:58:31 PM #324:	UnfairRepresent posted... hockeybub89 posted... What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Erm wut What does that have to do with anything? By that token of logic you could never arrest anyone. You're not guilty because you were arrested dude Admiral seemed to say they broke the law. We can't prove they broke the law because they were released. Starbucks not pressing charges does not mean there were valid charges to be pressed. That would require a trial to determine. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899711655] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> What happened to innocent until proven guilty?</quote> Erm wut What does that have to do with anything? By that token of logic you could never arrest anyone. You're not guilty because you were arrested dude</quote> Admiral seemed to say they broke the law. We can't prove they broke the law because they were released. Starbucks not pressing charges does not mean there were valid charges to be pressed. That would require a trial to determine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 5:59:35 PM #326:	UnfairRepresent posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... UnfairRepresent posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... unlike all those users who assumed that the germany van attack dude was a radical Islamist or that the girl in CT false flagged herself and framed her roommate. WTF are you even talking about.... WTF is this topic.. Opacity level of cherry picking: 0. It's funny how easy it is to tangentially bait you into doing that. You're just like Mal. No wonder you defend him so much. W I don't think you or anyone outraged really has an answer.... You're just venting. I'm not venting and I'm not outraged. I already told you what I was doing. Did you not understand what I meant by tangential cherry-pick bait? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899711699] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>unlike all those users who assumed that the germany van attack dude was a radical Islamist or that the girl in CT false flagged herself and framed her roommate.</quote> WTF are you even talking about.... WTF is this topic..</quote> Opacity level of cherry picking: 0. It's funny how easy it is to tangentially bait you into doing that. You're just like Mal. No wonder you defend him so much.</quote> W I don't think you or anyone outraged really has an answer.... You're just venting.</quote> I'm not venting and I'm not outraged. I already told you what I was doing. Did you not understand what I meant by tangential cherry-pick bait?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:00:07 PM #327:	hockeybub89 posted... Admiral seemed to say they broke the law. We can't prove they broke the law because they were released. Starbucks not pressing charges does not mean there were valid charges to be pressed. That would require a trial to determine. .... That's literally not what innocent until proven guilty means dude --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899711727] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> Admiral seemed to say they broke the law. We can't prove they broke the law because they were released. Starbucks not pressing charges does not mean there were valid charges to be pressed. That would require a trial to determine.</quote> .... That's literally not what innocent until proven guilty means dude</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:01:30 PM #328:	thelovefist posted... hockeybub89 posted... The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... What happened to innocent until proven guilty? That's a judicial standard for courts. Completely separate standard and branch of government from the police. While I have you, can I ask what you think about a store randomly ignoring corporate policy to get 2 guys arrested for loitering? While other "trespassers" looked on? While thousands of people "trespass" at places like Starbucks and Panera every day without being called criminals who are lucky to not have charges pressed against them? Can I ask you to shut the fuck up? That's not an answer. I just want to know why everyone is overlooking corporate policy and the selective ignoring of it. Has anyone ever heard of someone being kicked out of a Starbucks with a bunch of open tables for sitting in it? Has anyone ever witnessed it or been the trespasser in question? Why did it suddenly become trespassing this day in this store for these two specific people in Philadelphia? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899711812] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>What happened to innocent until proven guilty?</quote> That's a judicial standard for courts. Completely separate standard and branch of government from the police.</quote> While I have you, can I ask what you think about a store randomly ignoring corporate policy to get 2 guys arrested for loitering? While other "trespassers" looked on? While thousands of people "trespass" at places like Starbucks and Panera every day without being called criminals who are lucky to not have charges pressed against them?</quote> Can I ask you to shut the fuck up?</quote> That's not an answer. I just want to know why everyone is overlooking corporate policy and the selective ignoring of it. Has anyone ever heard of someone being kicked out of a Starbucks with a bunch of open tables for sitting in it? Has anyone ever witnessed it or been the trespasser in question? Why did it suddenly become trespassing this day in this store for these two specific people in Philadelphia?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 04/15/18 6:02:43 PM #329:	hockeybub89 Admiral seemed to say they broke the law. We can't prove they broke the law because they were released. Starbucks not pressing charges does not mean there were valid charges to be pressed. That would require a trial to determine. Lolwut That's not how it works..... --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:899711874] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 </cite> <quote>Admiral seemed to say they broke the law. We can't prove they broke the law because they were released. Starbucks not pressing charges does not mean there were valid charges to be pressed. That would require a trial to determine.</quote> Lolwut That's not how it works.....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Atralis 04/15/18 6:06:29 PM #330:	This seems like the kind of thing where Starbucks acted within the letter of the law but they should have exercised better judgement. <cite>Atralis posted [p:899712075] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>This seems like the kind of thing where Starbucks acted within the letter of the law but they should have exercised better judgement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:08:06 PM #331:	UnfairRepresent posted... hockeybub89 posted... Admiral seemed to say they broke the law. We can't prove they broke the law because they were released. Starbucks not pressing charges does not mean there were valid charges to be pressed. That would require a trial to determine. .... That's literally not what innocent until proven guilty means dude How can one break a law without a court of law determining so? If I get arrested for theft and then get released without charges and apologized to, does that prove I broke the law? Being arrested does not necessarily mean you actually broke the law. Not having charges pressed against you doesn't necessarily mean you broke the law and just no one cared that you did. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899712163] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> Admiral seemed to say they broke the law. We can't prove they broke the law because they were released. Starbucks not pressing charges does not mean there were valid charges to be pressed. That would require a trial to determine.</quote> .... That's literally not what innocent until proven guilty means dude</quote> How can one break a law without a court of law determining so? If I get arrested for theft and then get released without charges and apologized to, does that prove I broke the law? Being arrested does not necessarily mean you actually broke the law. Not having charges pressed against you doesn't necessarily mean you broke the law and just no one cared that you did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:09:01 PM #332:	hockeybub89 posted... While I have you, can I ask what you think about a store randomly ignoring corporate policy to get 2 guys arrested for loitering? While other "trespassers" looked on? While thousands of people "trespass" at places like Starbucks and Panera every day without being called criminals who are lucky to not have charges pressed against them? hockeybub89 posted... That's not an answer. I just want to know why everyone is overlooking corporate policy and the selective ignoring of it. Has anyone ever heard of someone being kicked out of a Starbucks with a bunch of open tables for sitting in it? Has anyone ever witnessed it or been the trespasser in question? Why did it suddenly become trespassing this day in this store for these two specific people in Philadelphia? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899712209] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>While I have you, can I ask what you think about a store randomly ignoring corporate policy to get 2 guys arrested for loitering? While other "trespassers" looked on? While thousands of people "trespass" at places like Starbucks and Panera every day without being called criminals who are lucky to not have charges pressed against them?</quote> <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>That's not an answer. I just want to know why everyone is overlooking corporate policy and the selective ignoring of it. Has anyone ever heard of someone being kicked out of a Starbucks with a bunch of open tables for sitting in it? Has anyone ever witnessed it or been the trespasser in question? Why did it suddenly become trespassing this day in this store for these two specific people in Philadelphia?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:09:17 PM #333:	hockeybub89 posted... If I get arrested for theft and then get released without charges and apologized to, does that prove I broke the law? Potentially yes. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899712223] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> If I get arrested for theft and then get released without charges and apologized to, does that prove I broke the law? </quote> Potentially yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:13:32 PM #335:	Atralis posted... This seems like the kind of thing where Starbucks acted within the letter of the law but they should have exercised better judgement. I can't just randomly decide one day that one customer at work is trespassing while no one else is. That doesn't make it so. That's not how things work. That would be like calling the cops on someone for theft because they picked up an item. Everyone picks up items. You'd have to prove that this person was truly intending to steal and that you weren't just making up policy or ignoring policy because you didn't like that person for some reason. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899712472] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>Atralis posted...</cite> <quote>This seems like the kind of thing where Starbucks acted within the letter of the law but they should have exercised better judgement.</quote> I can't just randomly decide one day that one customer at work is trespassing while no one else is. That doesn't make it so. That's not how things work. That would be like calling the cops on someone for theft because they picked up an item. Everyone picks up items. You'd have to prove that this person was truly intending to steal and that you weren't just making up policy or ignoring policy because you didn't like that person for some reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 6:14:58 PM #336:	I'm still waiting for proof that they were given a "buy something, leave or be arrested" ultimatum directly by the police. Confirmation that they neglected to purchase anything even after such an ultimatum would be satisfy the burden of proof for loitering. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899712537] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>I'm still waiting for proof that they were given a "buy something, leave or be arrested" ultimatum directly by the police. Confirmation that they neglected to purchase anything even after such an ultimatum would be satisfy the burden of proof for loitering.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:15:01 PM #337:	UnfairRepresent posted... hockeybub89 posted... If I get arrested for theft and then get released without charges and apologized to, does that prove I broke the law? Potentially yes. And potentially no. So saying I broke the law would be impossible for jackasses on the Internet who blatantly ignore parts of the story to determine. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899712542] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> If I get arrested for theft and then get released without charges and apologized to, does that prove I broke the law? </quote> Potentially yes.</quote> And potentially no. So saying I broke the law would be impossible for jackasses on the Internet who blatantly ignore parts of the story to determine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:15:17 PM #338:	hockeybub89 posted... I can't just randomly decide one day that one customer at work is trespassing while no one else is. Ok so where other people repeatedly asked to leave and refused to do so while not ordering anything? I mean the incident was filmed and clearly no... --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899712559] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> I can't just randomly decide one day that one customer at work is trespassing while no one else is. </quote> Ok so where other people repeatedly asked to leave and refused to do so while not ordering anything? I mean the incident was filmed and clearly no...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/15/18 6:15:44 PM #339:	hockeybub89 posted... Atralis posted... This seems like the kind of thing where Starbucks acted within the letter of the law but they should have exercised better judgement. I can't just randomly decide one day that one customer at work is trespassing while no one else is. That doesn't make it so. That's not how things work. That would be like calling the cops on someone for theft because they picked up an item. Everyone picks up items. You'd have to prove that this person was truly intending to steal and that you weren't just making up policy or ignoring policy because you didn't like that person for some reason. You're right, you can't do that. But you have no data about how many people that Stabucks has kicked out and what their races are. The fact that this activist woman trying to make a video go viral says a white person wasn't kicked out for using the bathroom is not sufficient. If this Starbucks has a history of only kicking out black people for loitering, I'd agree -- there is racism at play here. But this is not racism just because the guys are black. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899712582] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Atralis posted...</cite> <quote>This seems like the kind of thing where Starbucks acted within the letter of the law but they should have exercised better judgement.</quote> I can't just randomly decide one day that one customer at work is trespassing while no one else is. That doesn't make it so. That's not how things work. That would be like calling the cops on someone for theft because they picked up an item. Everyone picks up items. You'd have to prove that this person was truly intending to steal and that you weren't just making up policy or ignoring policy because you didn't like that person for some reason.</quote> You're right, you can't do that. But you have no data about how many people that Stabucks has kicked out and what their races are. The fact that this activist woman trying to make a video go viral says a white person wasn't kicked out for using the bathroom is not sufficient. If this Starbucks has a history of only kicking out black people for loitering, I'd agree -- there is racism at play here. But this is not racism just because the guys are black.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 6:15:51 PM #340:	UnfairRepresent posted... hockeybub89 posted... If I get arrested for theft and then get released without charges and apologized to, does that prove I broke the law? Potentially yes. So, potentially yes, but also potentially no? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899712589] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> If I get arrested for theft and then get released without charges and apologized to, does that prove I broke the law? </quote> Potentially yes.</quote> So, potentially yes, but also potentially no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 04/15/18 6:17:19 PM #341:	I think another factor in all of this is that many people want, I mean desperately want, racism to be the cause of this here. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:899712662] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>I think another factor in all of this is that many people want, I mean desperately want, racism to be the cause of this here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/15/18 6:18:24 PM #342:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... I'm still waiting for proof that they were given a "buy something, leave or be arrested" ultimatum directly by the police. Confirmation that they neglected to purchase anything even after such an ultimatum would be satisfy the burden of proof for loitering. And that still would beg the question of why others are allowed to not buy things and stay there every day, even at that store while these guys were being arrested. Unless there is some hidden story that no one wants to share about these guys being rowdy or posing some kind of risk, then I just can't say how you can logically defend this ordeal. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899712734] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>I'm still waiting for proof that they were given a "buy something, leave or be arrested" ultimatum directly by the police. Confirmation that they neglected to purchase anything even after such an ultimatum would be satisfy the burden of proof for loitering.</quote> And that still would beg the question of why others are allowed to not buy things and stay there every day, even at that store while these guys were being arrested. Unless there is some hidden story that no one wants to share about these guys being rowdy or posing some kind of risk, then I just can't say how you can logically defend this ordeal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:18:40 PM #343:	thelovefist posted... I think another factor in all of this is that many people want, I mean desperately want, racism to be the cause of this here. It sure seems that way. Even the police commioniser was like "I'm black lol racism is bad." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899712750] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>I think another factor in all of this is that many people want, I mean desperately want, racism to be the cause of this here.</quote> It sure seems that way. Even the police commioniser was like "I'm black lol racism is bad."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:19:08 PM #344:	hockeybub89 posted... And that still would beg the question of why others are allowed to not buy things and stay there every day UnfairRepresent posted... Ok so where other people repeatedly asked to leave and refused to do so while not ordering anything? I mean the incident was filmed and clearly no... --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899712772] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> And that still would beg the question of why others are allowed to not buy things and stay there every day</quote> <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> Ok so where other people repeatedly asked to leave and refused to do so while not ordering anything? I mean the incident was filmed and clearly no...</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 04/15/18 6:19:20 PM #345:	Everybody knows that Starbucks bills itself as a so-called "third place," where people are welcome to hang out, outside of work and home. It seems to me that selective enforcement of trespassing laws would run afoul of the 14th amendment. It could be a very tricky and technical case, from a legal standpoint, but I think that every decent human being intuitively knows that it's wrong for a Black person to be kidnapped by police and held through the night simply for using the Starbucks in the same fashion that White customers routinely do. --- BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:899712779] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote>Everybody knows that Starbucks bills itself as a so-called "third place," where people are welcome to hang out, outside of work and home. It seems to me that selective enforcement of trespassing laws would run afoul of the 14th amendment. It could be a very tricky and technical case, from a legal standpoint, but I think that every decent human being intuitively knows that it's wrong for a Black person to be kidnapped by police and held through the night simply for using the Starbucks in the same fashion that White customers routinely do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 6:19:48 PM #346:	thelovefist posted... I think another factor in all of this is that many people want, I mean desperately want, racism to be the cause of this here. Why does that make sense to you? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899712798] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>I think another factor in all of this is that many people want, I mean desperately want, racism to be the cause of this here.</quote> Why does that make sense to you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:20:41 PM #347:	Polycosm posted... but I think that every decent human being intuitively knows that it's wrong for a Black person to be kidnapped by police Da fuck What is wrong with everyone in this topic.... --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899712848] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>Polycosm posted...</cite> <quote>but I think that every decent human being intuitively knows that it's wrong for a Black person to be kidnapped by police</quote> Da fuck What is wrong with everyone in this topic....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 6:21:22 PM #348:	UnfairRepresent posted... hockeybub89 posted... And that still would beg the question of why others are allowed to not buy things and stay there every day UnfairRepresent posted... Ok so where other people repeatedly asked to leave and refused to do so while not ordering anything? I mean the incident was filmed and clearly no... Okay, so if the answer is no, how would you explain it? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899712882] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> And that still would beg the question of why others are allowed to not buy things and stay there every day</quote> <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> Ok so where other people repeatedly asked to leave and refused to do so while not ordering anything? I mean the incident was filmed and clearly no...</quote></quote> Okay, so if the answer is no, how would you explain it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 04/15/18 6:22:52 PM #350:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Okay, so if the answer is no, how would you explain it? Explain what? Where are you right now? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899712938] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote> Okay, so if the answer is no, how would you explain it?</quote> Explain what? Where are you right now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/15/18 6:24:15 PM #351:	UnfairRepresent posted... Polycosm posted... but I think that every decent human being intuitively knows that it's wrong for a Black person to be kidnapped by police Da fuck What is wron.. I don't know. What is wron..? Maybe we would know if we weren't editing out 2/3 of posts when quoting and replying. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899713015] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Polycosm posted...</cite> <quote>but I think that every decent human being intuitively knows that it's wrong for a Black person to be kidnapped by police</quote> Da fuck What is wron..</quote> I don't know. What is wron..? Maybe we would know if we weren't editing out 2/3 of posts when quoting and replying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 04/15/18 6:27:48 PM #352:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted...I thought you were done shitposting when you ran away from the other topic after embarrassing yourself worse than I've ever seen you embarrass yourself before. If only you'd take your own advice. But we all know that won't happen as shit posting on CE is all you have to offer and we as a community are all better without it. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:899713196] in Black guys... [t:76515010]...</cite> <quote><quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite>I thought you were done shitposting when you ran away from the other topic after embarrassing yourself worse than I've ever seen you embarrass yourself before.</quote>If only you'd take your own advice. But we all know that won't happen as shit posting on CE is all you have to offer and we as a community are all better without it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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