Poll of the Day > trump wants those on welfare to work for their check

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wolfy42 posted...

even if it just means answering tech support calls etc from home.

So you've never actually worked a support job, then. Because that's the only way I could conceive that you would think it's an acceptable job to pay less than minimum wage for.
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Most people on welfare already have jobs, and i don't think you can get a second job if you're in the military.
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old_school227 posted...

Most people on welfare already have jobs, and i don't think you can get a second job if you're in the military.

You can. But you have to get approval from a bunch of different people and have a valid reason for getting a second. It's not an easy process. Unless you are getting out soon. It's a little easier. But the other job has to be flexible and understand that you're military hours could change at any time. Plus, TDYs and Deployments and the like...

Also, lihlih is right. My mo ran a homecare for a while. 2 and under was very different from older kids. Especially when it came to having the right creditials. Not to mention, toddlers can kinda do certain things that infants can't.
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We should just create a society in which we all help each other exist in happiness. We all do our part and we all get to play.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

We should just create a society in which we all help each other exist in happiness. We all do our part and we all get to play.

so is that why you insulted someone that was struggling with depression?
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If only the governments could put together houses where the poor could work, almost like a sort of workhouse. =p
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SunWuKung420 posted...

We should just create a society in which we all help each other exist in happiness. We all do our part and we all get to play.

What if some people want to be left alone. Like you dont bother me I wont bother you?

Where is the opt out option for taxes and public works if you are self sufficient on your own property?

I never asked to be born now im being told to go help somebody or face punishment?

The fuck?
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Sure. Give everyones jobs to the unemployed then you won't need to pay any staff.

wolfy42 posted...

I think everyone who receives money from the gov to support themselves or their kids should work for it to the best of their ability, even if it just means answering tech support calls etc from home.

So they can create jobs for the unemployed but can't create jobs and actually pay folk to do it? Yes I get free labour is just that but I still don't agree with this mindset. It's great from a business prospective but not for those who are out of work as you're basically saying they are only good for free labour.

We have systems like this over here in the UK and it sucks ass as some companies abuse it. Now if a full time job was a guarantee at the end of a "free labour" period then that would benefit the person seeking work and the government. Otherwise it helps nobody but the business who is trying to save money.

TigerTycoon posted...

In the UK if you haven't worked for 6 months they make you do community service a few times a week or you don't get your unemployment check anymore.

Incorrect or at least not in my case. I have been sent on College courses now and then though.
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i see nothing wrong with people having to do some work for money
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

i see nothing wrong with people having to do some work for money

What about the ones already working?
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SunWuKung420 posted...

We should just create a society in which we all help each other exist in happiness. We all do our part and we all get to play.

Thats called communism and it has a historical failure rate of 100%
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Lokarin posted...

Runner_style posted...

They tried doing something like this in the UK which lasted for 4 years . If they go ahead with it they need to add restrictions such as the only places a person can work for are charities and what have you, anything that's non-profit.

Over here when they introduced the 'workfare' many companies exploited the scheme to the point where some actually stopped hiring paid workers, while other companies taking part started to "let go" paid workers and replaced them with free labour courtest of the government.

And we have a similar problem here with Temporary Foreign Workers. It's cheaper to max out your slave hours than to hire permanent staff

Is that Canada? Timmies is awful for this. There's a video on YouTube of a native lady who used to manage one in Edmonton speaking to the public about how her higher ups told her to fire actual Canadians and replace them with cheaper (Filipino) temporary workers.
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zebatov posted...

Is that Canada? Timmies is awful for this. There's a video on YouTube of a native lady who used to manage one in Edmonton speaking to the public about how her higher ups told her to fire actual Canadians and replace them with cheaper (Filipino) temporary workers.

Yup, it was really bad in remote oil cities that typically demand higher salaries (as the cost of living is often quite high as everyone makes boatloads of money). They would put up job postings at minimum wage, no one would apply because you can't live on the wage there, they would say "no Canadians are available for the job/willing to take it" and bring in TFW's. It then began to spread out to major cities, and that's when the government finally took notice of it.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

i see nothing wrong with people having to do some work for money

The problem is less "they should work" and a lot more "what can we actually get them to do". You can't have them do anything that people are already being paid to do, as that's undercutting the free market causing honest people to lose their jobs (and get added to the system, possibly doing they same job they were already doing, but for less money).

Every single time people come up with a "job" they could do... Someone is already doing that job. People already pick up garbage. People already clean public buildings. Offices already have interns (which around here are usually paid). So what would you have them do for work? Help charity? There's only so much help they actually need, often charities are more in need of money than they are of people. And you usually don't want people involved in a charity they don't care about.

The only goal for forcing people to work would be to save money long term. It's very difficult to do that without disrupting the current market place with basically indentured servitude (which no legal business could hope to compete against). If forcing people to work ends up costing taxpayers more money than having the occasional welfare fraud... Then why are we doing it? Punishment? Spite? Should that be what our tax dollars are going to?
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This is why you shouldn't put money in a 401k if you're a single male with no kids. If your job gets automated before you reach age 59, you better have your money in a taxable account ready to withdraw unless you want to eat out of a dumpster.

bulbinking posted...

Where is the opt out option for taxes

leaving the country lmao
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Nightengale posted...

bulbinking posted...

Where is the opt out option for taxes

leaving the country lmao

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Nightengale posted...

bulbinking posted...

Where is the opt out option for taxes

leaving the country lmao

I like that you focused on the taxes and not the philosophical question of indentured slavery by being forced to work on the behalf of others without consent or fair pay.

Some people are introverts and want to be left alone.
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bulbinking posted...

Nightengale posted...

bulbinking posted...

Where is the opt out option for taxes

leaving the country lmao

I like that you focused on the taxes and not the philosophical question of indentured slavery by being forced to work on the behalf of others without consent or fair pay.

Some people are introverts and want to be left alone.

That's fine, but you benefit from living in a society whether you care about anyone else or not. If you don't want to pay into that society in some way, then leave. It really is that simple.

I'm an introvert too. I benefit from the taxes I pay and the public works I make use of. You do too. Live off the grid if you don't want that.
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I'd bet the entire portion of the US budget that goes to social welfare programs that Trump cannot tell you any of the current requirements to get welfare.
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kangolcone posted...

I'd bet the entire portion of the US budget that goes to social welfare programs that Trump cannot tell you any of the current requirements to get welfare.

can you, without looking?

if not, why not? could it be because you have a job and are not a leech and would therefore never have a need to know that sort of thing?

i liked it better when you stopped posting here. we have enough self-superior, entitled liberal crybabies without adding another one
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