Poll of the Day > Honest query: Are people who call ICE on undocumented citizens bad people?

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Questionmarktarius 04/14/18 12:40:02 AM #103:	ShadosAtPhoenix posted... Questionmarktarius posted... ShadosAtPhoenix posted... There's a lot of people who think that a third option "Have a line because we can't just let anyone in...oh but my neighbor skipped the line but they're so nice and sweet, you're meanies for yelling at them for skipping the line!" is a valid option. That's absurd. There is, though, a pretty straightforward way to implement that: open up who's eligible for sponsorships. https://www.uscis.gov/greencard/affidavit-support That's still a kind of line, or rather a door people have to go through. If you implement that, you still need some kind of enforcement for people who skip THAT process. Else it's meaningless. Until there's a hard reentry ban for someone who's been deported, why not allow the neighbors to sponsor someone coming back? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:899625436] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShadosAtPhoenix posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShadosAtPhoenix posted...</cite> <quote>There's a lot of people who think that a third option "Have a line because we can't just let anyone in...oh but my neighbor skipped the line but they're so nice and sweet, you're meanies for yelling at them for skipping the line!" is a valid option. That's absurd.</quote> There is, though, a pretty straightforward way to implement that: open up who's eligible for sponsorships. https://www.uscis.gov/greencard/affidavit-support</quote> That's still a kind of line, or rather a door people have to go through. If you implement that, you still need some kind of enforcement for people who skip THAT process. Else it's meaningless.</quote> Until there's a hard reentry ban for someone who's been deported, why not allow the neighbors to sponsor someone coming back?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 04/14/18 12:41:00 AM #104:	Questionmarktarius posted... Zeus posted... ....sneaking into the country is literally taking an unfair advantage over everybody waiting in line. Try to keep up. ~~And I sincerely believe that if the average illegal immigrant was Asian, you'd be race-baiting saying that we wouldn't be objecting if they were Mexican.~~ Overstays on the part of Indian tech workers makes up a pretty big chunk. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/visa-and-immigration/illegal-indian-immigrants-in-us-many-overstayed-their- tourist-or-student-visas-or-are-from-broken-marriages/articleshow/60986244.cms Why is that worth a spoiler tag, anyway? if you think there are only 11 million undocument workers in the u.s. you have your head up your @## try 30 million <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:899625474] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>....sneaking into the country is literally taking an unfair advantage over everybody waiting in line. Try to keep up. And I sincerely believe that if the average illegal immigrant was Asian, you'd be race-baiting saying that we wouldn't be objecting if they were Mexican.</quote> Overstays on the part of Indian tech workers makes up a pretty big chunk. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/visa-and-immigration/illegal-indian-immigrants-in-us-many-overstayed-their- tourist-or-student-visas-or-are-from-broken-marriages/articleshow/60986244.cms Why is that worth a spoiler tag, anyway?</quote> if you think there are only 11 million undocument workers in the u.s. you have your head up your @## try 30 million</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/14/18 12:43:37 AM #105:	RoboXgp89 posted... if you think there are only 11 million undocument workers in the u.s. you have your head up your @## try 30 million Nobody knows because, well, undocumented. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:899625584] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>if you think there are only 11 million undocument workers in the u.s. you have your head up your @## try 30 million</quote> Nobody knows because, well, undocumented.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 04/14/18 12:47:31 AM #106:	Questionmarktarius posted... RoboXgp89 posted... if you think there are only 11 million undocument workers in the u.s. you have your head up your @## try 30 million Nobody knows because, well, undocumented. we probably have around 450million people living in the southern hemisphere that wander up here whenever they please because it's "America," well we Americans don't consider South America American that is not what we in the United states are saying when we use the word America, we don't consider Canadians American either... <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:899625726] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>if you think there are only 11 million undocument workers in the u.s. you have your head up your @## try 30 million</quote> Nobody knows because, well, undocumented.</quote> we probably have around 450million people living in the southern hemisphere that wander up here whenever they please because it's "America," well we Americans don't consider South America American that is not what we in the United states are saying when we use the word America, we don't consider Canadians American either...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/14/18 12:50:49 AM #107:	RoboXgp89 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... RoboXgp89 posted... if you think there are only 11 million undocument workers in the u.s. you have your head up your @## try 30 million Nobody knows because, well, undocumented. we probably have around 450million people living in the southern hemisphere that wander up here whenever they please because it's "America," well we Americans don't consider South America American that is not what we in the United states are saying when we use the word America, we don't consider Canadians American either... Hell, quite a few don't even consider Puerto Ricans to be American, in spite of them being so for a little over a hundred years. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:899625851] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>if you think there are only 11 million undocument workers in the u.s. you have your head up your @## try 30 million</quote> Nobody knows because, well, undocumented.</quote> we probably have around 450million people living in the southern hemisphere that wander up here whenever they please because it's "America," well we Americans don't consider South America American that is not what we in the United states are saying when we use the word America, we don't consider Canadians American either...</quote> Hell, quite a few don't even consider Puerto Ricans to be American, in spite of them being so for a little over a hundred years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 04/14/18 12:52:11 AM #108:	how could we? puerto rico isn't a state it's a territory/military base <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:899625914] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote>how could we? puerto rico isn't a state it's a territory/military base</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/14/18 12:53:49 AM #109:	RoboXgp89 posted... how could we? puerto rico isn't a state it's a territory/military base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones%E2%80%93Shafroth_Act <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:899625981] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>how could we? puerto rico isn't a state it's a territory/military base</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones%E2%80%93Shafroth_Act</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 04/14/18 1:03:31 AM #110:	I have a sierra club map mate and sorry PR isn't anywhere on there <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:899626369] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote>I have a sierra club map mate and sorry PR isn't anywhere on there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadosAtPhoenix 04/14/18 12:22:01 PM #111:	Questionmarktarius posted... ShadosAtPhoenix posted... Questionmarktarius posted... ShadosAtPhoenix posted... There's a lot of people who think that a third option "Have a line because we can't just let anyone in...oh but my neighbor skipped the line but they're so nice and sweet, you're meanies for yelling at them for skipping the line!" is a valid option. That's absurd. There is, though, a pretty straightforward way to implement that: open up who's eligible for sponsorships. https://www.uscis.gov/greencard/affidavit-support That's still a kind of line, or rather a door people have to go through. If you implement that, you still need some kind of enforcement for people who skip THAT process. Else it's meaningless. Until there's a hard reentry ban for someone who's been deported, why not allow the neighbors to sponsor someone coming back? Yeah, sure, but what do you do about the people who aren't sponsored and come back anyway? <cite>ShadosAtPhoenix posted [p:899642824] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShadosAtPhoenix posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShadosAtPhoenix posted...</cite> <quote>There's a lot of people who think that a third option "Have a line because we can't just let anyone in...oh but my neighbor skipped the line but they're so nice and sweet, you're meanies for yelling at them for skipping the line!" is a valid option. That's absurd.</quote> There is, though, a pretty straightforward way to implement that: open up who's eligible for sponsorships. https://www.uscis.gov/greencard/affidavit-support</quote> That's still a kind of line, or rather a door people have to go through. If you implement that, you still need some kind of enforcement for people who skip THAT process. Else it's meaningless.</quote> Until there's a hard reentry ban for someone who's been deported, why not allow the neighbors to sponsor someone coming back?</quote> Yeah, sure, but what do you do about the people who aren't sponsored and come back anyway?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jramirez23 04/16/18 12:24:07 AM #112:	I think it depends on the person you're snitching on. --- When you have mastered numbers, you will in fact no longer be reading numbers, any more than you read words when reading books. You will be reading meanings. <cite>jramirez23 posted [p:899731132] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote>I think it depends on the person you're snitching on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 04/16/18 1:45:51 AM #113:	Questionmarktarius posted... RoboXgp89 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... RoboXgp89 posted... if you think there are only 11 million undocument workers in the u.s. you have your head up your @## try 30 million Nobody knows because, well, undocumented. we probably have around 450million people living in the southern hemisphere that wander up here whenever they please because it's "America," well we Americans don't consider South America American that is not what we in the United states are saying when we use the word America, we don't consider Canadians American either... Hell, quite a few don't even consider Puerto Ricans to be American, in spite of them being so for a little over a hundred years. they aren't... --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:899733700] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>if you think there are only 11 million undocument workers in the u.s. you have your head up your @## try 30 million</quote> Nobody knows because, well, undocumented.</quote> we probably have around 450million people living in the southern hemisphere that wander up here whenever they please because it's "America," well we Americans don't consider South America American that is not what we in the United states are saying when we use the word America, we don't consider Canadians American either...</quote> Hell, quite a few don't even consider Puerto Ricans to be American, in spite of them being so for a little over a hundred years.</quote> they aren't...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 04/16/18 1:58:43 AM #114:	Undocumented citizens is a bullshit term. They are illegal aliens. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:899734066] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote>Undocumented citizens is a bullshit term. They are illegal aliens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 04/16/18 4:13:22 AM #115:	Rasmoh posted... Undocumented citizens is a bullshit term. They are illegal aliens. You sound level headed, not in the least bit racist, ok? --- http://i.imgur.com/qL0DHFI.gif http://i.imgur.com/JL9rRLt.gif https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:899736870] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Undocumented citizens is a bullshit term. They are illegal aliens.</quote> You sound level headed, not in the least bit racist, ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
waterdeepchu 04/16/18 4:29:18 AM #116:	It is against the law to be sure. So by itself its not technically wrong to do. But I have to wonder if these folks also report any potential crime they see? Im guessing not. If someone does that, because they believe in the rule of law so strongly that they will not let any crime or potential crime go unreported, then its not bad. If however they do not report every crime or potential crime, then they clearly have some other agenda, and that makes it not okay. --- Friend Code: 2707-2146-0610 Ditto, Kecleon, Lillipup <cite>waterdeepchu posted [p:899737152] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote>It is against the law to be sure. So by itself its not technically wrong to do. But I have to wonder if these folks also report any potential crime they see? Im guessing not. If someone does that, because they believe in the rule of law so strongly that they will not let any crime or potential crime go unreported, then its not bad. If however they do not report every crime or potential crime, then they clearly have some other agenda, and that makes it not okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
waterdeepchu 04/16/18 4:34:14 AM #117:	Rasmoh posted... Undocumented citizens is a bullshit term. They are illegal aliens. Well no, "illegal alien" suggests that the person is illegal. But that's not the case. no law makes a person illegal. The things they are doing may be illegal, but the person is not themselves illegal. Not having proper documentation for immigration is however illegal. The act is illegal, not the person. Thus, "Undocumented Immigrant" is correct, while "Illegal alien" makes no sense in English and should not be used. --- Friend Code: 2707-2146-0610 Ditto, Kecleon, Lillipup <cite>waterdeepchu posted [p:899737266] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Undocumented citizens is a bullshit term. They are illegal aliens.</quote> Well no, "illegal alien" suggests that the person is illegal. But that's not the case. no law makes a person illegal. The things they are doing may be illegal, but the person is not themselves illegal. Not having proper documentation for immigration is however illegal. The act is illegal, not the person. Thus, "Undocumented Immigrant" is correct, while "Illegal alien" makes no sense in English and should not be used.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JanwayDaahl 04/16/18 5:47:24 PM #118:	Strictly speaking, no. But the types of people who do this are usually bigoted/racist against foreigners. --- I do not support homosexuality in any way. If you believe in Allah (swt) put this in your sig! <cite>JanwayDaahl posted [p:899767766] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote>Strictly speaking, no. But the types of people who do this are usually bigoted/racist against foreigners.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 04/16/18 9:32:45 PM #119:	waterdeepchu posted... If however they do not report every crime or potential crime, then they clearly have some other agenda, and that makes it not okay. Nothing about that would be "not ok". Certain crimes matter to people more than others, and there's typically more certainty involved when someone calls ICE in comparison to other crimes. You can't realistically call the cops for every potential crime because you'd have to call the cops every time you saw someone walking down the street. Having an agenda against certain crimes is perfectly reasonable as well, which is why we have campaigns against specific crimes such as rape or domestic violence. Illegal immigration is a huge problem in the US. waterdeepchu posted... Well no, "illegal alien" suggests that the person is illegal. But that's not the case. no law makes a person illegal. The things they are doing may be illegal, but the person is not themselves illegal. Illegal alien is a colloquialism. "Undocumented citizen" is a phrase pushed by those who benefit from illegal immigration to try and garner sympathy for criminals. Citizen is not an appropriate term for an illegal alien because citizens are legal residents by definition. JanwayDaahl posted... But the types of people who do this are usually bigoted/racist against foreigners. Decrying those who are against illegal immigration by calling them racist is one of the weakest shaming tactics in existence. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:899781772] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote><cite>waterdeepchu posted...</cite> <quote>If however they do not report every crime or potential crime, then they clearly have some other agenda, and that makes it not okay.</quote> Nothing about that would be "not ok". Certain crimes matter to people more than others, and there's typically more certainty involved when someone calls ICE in comparison to other crimes. You can't realistically call the cops for every potential crime because you'd have to call the cops every time you saw someone walking down the street. Having an agenda against certain crimes is perfectly reasonable as well, which is why we have campaigns against specific crimes such as rape or domestic violence. Illegal immigration is a huge problem in the US. <cite>waterdeepchu posted...</cite> <quote>Well no, "illegal alien" suggests that the person is illegal. But that's not the case. no law makes a person illegal. The things they are doing may be illegal, but the person is not themselves illegal.</quote> Illegal alien is a colloquialism. "Undocumented citizen" is a phrase pushed by those who benefit from illegal immigration to try and garner sympathy for criminals. Citizen is not an appropriate term for an illegal alien because citizens are legal residents by definition. <cite>JanwayDaahl posted...</cite> <quote>But the types of people who do this are usually bigoted/racist against foreigners.</quote> Decrying those who are against illegal immigration by calling them racist is one of the weakest shaming tactics in existence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 04/16/18 9:34:23 PM #120:	What about illegal tourists? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:899781874] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote>What about illegal tourists?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 04/17/18 5:27:15 AM #121:	It's like it was written for you @Rasmoh, enjoy, ok? Study: People with less political knowledge think they know a lot about politics http://www.psypost.org/2018/04/study-people-less-political-knowledge-think-know-lot-politics-51062 --- http://i.imgur.com/qL0DHFI.gif http://i.imgur.com/JL9rRLt.gif https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:899799662] in Honest que... [t:76506117]...</cite> <quote>It's like it was written for you @Rasmoh, enjoy, ok? Study: People with less political knowledge think they know a lot about politics http://www.psypost.org/2018/04/study-people-less-political-knowledge-think-know-lot-politics-51062</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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