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Veggeta X 04/10/18 10:45:28 AM #1: |
Literally.
Like, in today's time and age we have people bitching nonstop about incomplete games and paying for expansions, DLCs and extra content. And yet we had a half made game in Xenogears back in the 90s and almost everyone loved it. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 04/10/18 10:51:11 AM #2: |
what was "half made" about it?
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr 04/10/18 10:51:40 AM #3: |
I would say KOTOR 2 is better for that title.
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 10:52:00 AM #4: |
The second disc was almost literally a visual novel.
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BignutzisBack 04/10/18 10:52:16 AM #5: |
The plot is the best part of Xenogears so the 2nd disc didn't affect it in a bad way
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Giant_Aspirin 04/10/18 10:52:20 AM #6: |
Veggeta X posted...
The second disc was almost literally a visual novel. so because it's dialog / story heavy, that qualifies it as "half made" IYO? --- Playing: Songs of the Deep (PC) (~);} - It seems like all this life was just a dream - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_BIueMonk 04/10/18 10:52:48 AM #7: |
i dunno. i got half way though it and got bored and quit.
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eston 04/10/18 10:53:16 AM #8: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
what was "half made" about it? The game was not finished. Square pulled resources from its dev team in order to fund Final Fantasy 8, and a huge chunk of the latter part of Xenogears is just a slideshow with text. It's still one of the best jrpgs ever made --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 10:55:12 AM #9: |
BignutzisBack posted...
The plot is the best part of Xenogears so the 2nd disc didn't affect it in a bad way It did in a very bad way. Most of the 2nd disc had a character sitting in an literal black empty black room explaining most of the plot. You had very very little interaction. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 10:55:33 AM #10: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
so because it's dialog / story heavy, that qualifies it as "half made" IYO? The 2nd disc was. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 04/10/18 10:56:14 AM #12: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Veggeta X posted...The second disc was almost literally a visual novel. The entire game is story heavy, but the difference is the latter half has relatively little actual gameplay compared to the first half --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 10:56:55 AM #13: |
eston posted...
It's still one of the best jrpgs ever made Xenogears is the most loved and accepted half made game --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 10:57:49 AM #14: |
eston posted...
the difference is the latter half has relatively little actual gameplay compared to the first half Which makes it complete ass. And please let's not try to make it sound like the plot of the game was any good either. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 10:59:10 AM #15: |
fenderbender321 posted...
But the game is still complete. There's final bosses and an ending with a conclusion to the story. People gave FF15 shit for being incomplete and yet they also have a final boss and a proper ending. Xenogears is the most loved and accepted half made game --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 04/10/18 11:00:14 AM #16: |
Veggeta X posted...
eston posted...It's still one of the best jrpgs ever made the final 1/4 of Dark Souls was basically unfinished ..... a much greater injustice IMO --- Playing: Songs of the Deep (PC) (~);} - It seems like all this life was just a dream - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 04/10/18 11:00:14 AM #17: |
Veggeta X posted...
eston posted...the difference is the latter half has relatively little actual gameplay compared to the first half I didn't think it was ass, and the plot is one of my favorite sci-fi stories from any medium. The sheer scope of it blows my mind --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Poiuyt 04/10/18 11:01:54 AM #18: |
fenderbender321 posted...
The ending was rushed. But the game is still complete. There's final bosses and an ending with a conclusion to the story. This. It's like people saying Dark Souls is unfinished just because the pacing after the Lordvessel isn't as tight as the first half. IT'S STILL FINISHED, THERE'S A FINAL BOSS, FINAL AREA, END CREDITS AND NEW GAME PLUS, YOU DOLTS. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 04/10/18 11:02:57 AM #19: |
Final Fantasy XV told its story in a far worse way than Xenogears did.
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bobtuse 04/10/18 11:04:46 AM #20: |
I feel like Wind Waker falls into this category. I really wish they'd taken more time to finish the things they wanted to do.
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eston 04/10/18 11:04:58 AM #21: |
Poiuyt posted...
fenderbender321 posted...The ending was rushed. But the game is still complete. There's final bosses and an ending with a conclusion to the story. I think at this point it's splitting hairs, but it's obvious that huge pieces of content are missing from the game and in my book that makes it incomplete --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 11:05:27 AM #22: |
eston posted...
the plot is one of my favorite sci-fi stories from any medium Disagree whole heartily. The inter-dimensional shit is a complete clusterfuck. The maker recreating the world so that it could perfect it's ways to beat the final boss isn't complicated to understand and yet they made it look real complex and symbolic. It was a dark time for Square TBH they also tried to do this with Chrono Cross and Parasite Eve as well. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 11:06:21 AM #23: |
Dragonblade01 posted...
Final Fantasy XV told its story in a far worse way than Xenogears did. It didn't literally have someone sit in a black room explaining the plot. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 04/10/18 11:06:34 AM #24: |
Sort of like how KOTOR 2 was released, had an ending, etc. and then people spent years adding in all the unfinished content that was still on the disc. It was an incomplete game
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Giant_Aspirin 04/10/18 11:07:45 AM #25: |
Poiuyt posted...
fenderbender321 posted...The ending was rushed. But the game is still complete. There's final bosses and an ending with a conclusion to the story. the development team have stated they didn't have the time they wanted to finish Lost Izalith or anything surrounding that --- Playing: Songs of the Deep (PC) (~);} - It seems like all this life was just a dream - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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marc55 04/10/18 11:08:44 AM #26: |
Veggeta X posted...
eston posted...the plot is one of my favorite sci-fi stories from any medium ????? you never travel between dimensions in xenogears --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 04/10/18 11:08:45 AM #27: |
Veggeta X posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...Final Fantasy XV told its story in a far worse way than Xenogears did. Yeah, instead it opted to leave out plot elements entirely. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 04/10/18 11:08:45 AM #28: |
Veggeta X posted...
eston posted...the plot is one of my favorite sci-fi stories from any medium You disagree that it's one of my favorite sci-fi stories? I don't think that's how that works, lol Also I don't think you got it but I don't have much desire to explain it to you tbqh --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 11:11:39 AM #29: |
marc55 posted...
you never travel between dimensions in xenogears The final boss is an inter-dimensional being. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 11:12:05 AM #30: |
Dragonblade01 posted...
Yeah, instead it opted to leave out plot elements entirely. So let's equally shit on both games then. Oh wait you won't. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 04/10/18 11:15:10 AM #31: |
Veggeta X posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...Yeah, instead it opted to leave out plot elements entirely. Um, of course I won't. They aren't equal. Xenogears > FFXV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 04/10/18 11:15:11 AM #32: |
Veggeta X posted...
marc55 posted...you never travel between dimensions in xenogears No it's not --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 11:23:06 AM #34: |
Dragonblade01 posted...
Veggeta X posted...Dragonblade01 posted...Yeah, instead it opted to leave out plot elements entirely. Xenogears is the most loved and accepted half made game --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 11:23:29 AM #35: |
eston posted...
No it's not Please do tell my friend. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 11:24:27 AM #36: |
fenderbender321 posted...
The finished product of Xenogears is Xenogears as we know it. It cannot be 'incomplete' because there is no 'complete' game to compare it to. There is no basis for what 'complete' is. And if there was, it would be the version they released, as that is the most 'complete' version of the game that exists in the entire universe. Oh come on do you hear yourself? You know GOD damn well if this game came out today the way it is people would hate it and accuse of it for being incomplete. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 04/10/18 11:25:55 AM #37: |
Veggeta X posted...
Xenogears is the most loved and accepted half made game Repeating wrong things doesn't make them right. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 04/10/18 11:26:52 AM #39: |
I think you missed the part where I'm not gonna sit here and explain the plot to you >_>
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 11:27:26 AM #40: |
Dragonblade01 posted...
Repeating wrong things doesn't make them right. fenderbender321 posted... And they'd be wrong about it being incomplete. How very convenient to redfine what a word means to justify what you like and don't like. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 04/10/18 11:30:26 AM #41: |
It's literally not incomplete...
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KingWhiteKnight 04/10/18 11:32:21 AM #42: |
Fallout New Vegas
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DevsBro 04/10/18 11:33:23 AM #43: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Veggeta X posted...The second disc was almost literally a visual novel. It's not just tht it's dialog/story heavy, but that a lot of what happens is literally told to you, and you have to read, in text, "then this happened, then that happened." It's confirmed that the reason they went with this narration approach was because they ran out of money. I did kinda like the first two or so of them, when it felt like they did it for artistic reasons. Then it turned out that this was going to ne the norm and it was kind of a letdown. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 11:35:13 AM #44: |
It literally turned into a visual novel.
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Turbam 04/10/18 11:36:31 AM #45: |
I don't get why people are arguing this, its true.
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marc55 04/10/18 11:36:32 AM #46: |
Veggeta X posted...
marc55 posted...you never travel between dimensions in xenogears no the only being from another dimension was the one trapped and used as a power source --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 04/10/18 11:36:34 AM #47: |
Veggeta X posted...
It literally turned into a visual novel. Do you not think visual novels are complete games? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 11:38:11 AM #48: |
marc55 posted...
the only being from another dimension was the one trapped and used as a power source Okay so it was the other way around. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pauIie 04/10/18 11:39:26 AM #49: |
xenogears gave WAY more than ffxv did before it rushed to the finish line
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Veggeta X 04/10/18 11:39:40 AM #50: |
Dragonblade01 posted...
Do you not think visual novels are complete games? Oh stop it. A game turning into a visual novel when it wasn't supposed to be one is a bad thing, and cop out and show of either laziness or loss of productivity which is confirmed to be the latter so iono know why you still thinking it's a complete game. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force ... Copied to Clipboard!
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