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Sephiroth1288 04/09/18 11:33:38 PM #1:	Can anyone actually name something other than mean things Trump said that have gotten worse under him Stock market up https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/19/wilbur-ross-trump-has-driven-the-stock-market-to-4-trillion-in-gains.html Unemployment down https://seekingalpha.com/article/4156667-weekly-unemployment-claims-4k Growth up http://lacrossetribune.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/us-economic-growth-in-q-revised-up-to-percent-rate/article_05ecd614-aef9-5668-9a8d-cc79d3242f83.html Hate crimes down https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016 (numbers for 2017 not out yet, though supposedly there was supposed to be a surge in 2016 inspired by Trump, but there wasn't) So in what real way is America worse under Trump than it was under Obama? Honest question. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899379036] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote>Can anyone actually name something other than mean things Trump said that have gotten worse under him Stock market up https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/19/wilbur-ross-trump-has-driven-the-stock-market-to-4-trillion-in-gains.html Unemployment down https://seekingalpha.com/article/4156667-weekly-unemployment-claims-4k Growth up http://lacrossetribune.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/us-economic-growth-in-q-revised-up-to-percent-rate/article_05ecd614-aef9-5668-9a8d-cc79d3242f83.html Hate crimes down https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016 (numbers for 2017 not out yet, though supposedly there was supposed to be a surge in 2016 inspired by Trump, but there wasn't) So in what real way is America worse under Trump than it was under Obama? Honest question.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 04/09/18 11:35:19 PM #2:	I fail to see the connection between Trump and these. Yes, things are getting better, but in general life has been getting better with every single year. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:899379115] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote>I fail to see the connection between Trump and these. Yes, things are getting better, but in general life has been getting better with every single year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blo 04/09/18 11:35:22 PM #3:	Sephiroth1288 posted... https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016 (numbers for 2017 not out yet, though supposedly there was supposed to be a surge in 2016 inspired by Trump, but there wasn't) I can spot the flaw in citing a year in which Obama was the president the entire time, can you? --- insert sig here <cite>Blo posted [p:899379117] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016 (numbers for 2017 not out yet, though supposedly there was supposed to be a surge in 2016 inspired by Trump, but there wasn't) </quote> I can spot the flaw in citing a year in which Obama was the president the entire time, can you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsianFury2020 04/09/18 11:36:05 PM #4:	Hinakuluiau posted... I fail to see the connection between Trump and these. Yes, things are getting better, but in general life has been getting better with every single year. --- Kaze no yo ni Hayaku! <cite>AsianFury2020 posted [p:899379149] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote>I fail to see the connection between Trump and these. Yes, things are getting better, but in general life has been getting better with every single year.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kid_Buu 04/09/18 11:36:22 PM #5:	anime isn't real yet --- anime girls either need a dick or thicc for me to want to have relations with them im kaname btw <cite>Kid_Buu posted [p:899379161] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote>anime isn't real yet</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 04/09/18 11:37:11 PM #6:	could it be 'in spite of' ? --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:899379198] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote>could it be 'in spite of' ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 04/09/18 11:37:41 PM #7:	Time for some damage control! --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:899379228] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote>Time for some damage control!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 04/09/18 11:37:57 PM #8:	have you been watching the markets the past few months? lots of volatility mostly tied up in bs to do with him and things he's said --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:899379236] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote>have you been watching the markets the past few months? lots of volatility mostly tied up in bs to do with him and things he's said</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/09/18 11:38:51 PM #9:	Hinakuluiau posted... I fail to see the connection between Trump and these. Yes, things are getting better, but in general life has been getting better with every single year. So if everything is getting better then what makes Trump a bad president? Also, to counter your point, I get more money in my bank account every week thanks to Trump. Really can't say the same of Obama. Blo posted... I can spot the flaw in citing a year in which Obama was the president the entire time, can you? Sephiroth1288 posted... supposedly there was supposed to be a surge in 2016 inspired by Trump, but there wasn't --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899379285] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote>I fail to see the connection between Trump and these. Yes, things are getting better, but in general life has been getting better with every single year.</quote> So if everything is getting better then what makes Trump a bad president? Also, to counter your point, I get more money in my bank account every week thanks to Trump. Really can't say the same of Obama. <cite>Blo posted...</cite> <quote>I can spot the flaw in citing a year in which Obama was the president the entire time, can you?</quote> <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>supposedly there was supposed to be a surge in 2016 inspired by Trump, but there wasn't</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 04/09/18 11:49:19 PM #10:	Sephiroth1288 posted... So if everything is getting better then what makes Trump a bad president? Well, not everything is getting better. I don't agree with withdrawing from the Paris Climate Deal, I don't think increasing tarriff's are a good idea, we shouldn't be escalating tensions with the Mexican border with a wall or sending the National Guard, etc. Yes, it's good that the economy is doing well. That is what people tend to prioritize over other issues. My problem is that it looks like Clinton would have had similar stats to that without the above issues. Sephiroth1288 posted... Also, to counter your point, I get more money in my bank account every week thanks to Trump. Really can't say the same of Obama. Yes, that's good for the short-term. Is it viable long-term? History doesn't really show that it does. We're all gonna be hit by it pretty bad considering we're basing this shit off of the same stuff that got us into the last recession and what royally fucked over Kansas. It's great and all right now and the next year or two, but shits gonna hit the fan in a few years and hopefully people don't blame the democrat in the white house for it. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:899379880] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>So if everything is getting better then what makes Trump a bad president? </quote> Well, not everything is getting better. I don't agree with withdrawing from the Paris Climate Deal, I don't think increasing tarriff's are a good idea, we shouldn't be escalating tensions with the Mexican border with a wall or sending the National Guard, etc. Yes, it's good that the economy is doing well. That is what people tend to prioritize over other issues. My problem is that it looks like Clinton would have had similar stats to that without the above issues. <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Also, to counter your point, I get more money in my bank account every week thanks to Trump. Really can't say the same of Obama. </quote> Yes, that's good for the short-term. Is it viable long-term? History doesn't really show that it does. We're all gonna be hit by it pretty bad considering we're basing this shit off of the same stuff that got us into the last recession and what royally fucked over Kansas. It's great and all right now and the next year or two, but shits gonna hit the fan in a few years and hopefully people don't blame the democrat in the white house for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 04/09/18 11:50:43 PM #11:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Also, to counter your point, I get more money in my bank account every week thanks to Trump. Thanks to your parents you mean --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:899379979] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Also, to counter your point, I get more money in my bank account every week thanks to Trump. </quote> Thanks to your parents you mean</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/09/18 11:56:13 PM #12:	Hinakuluiau posted... Well, not everything is getting better. I don't agree with withdrawing from the Paris Climate Deal, I don't think increasing tarriff's are a good idea, we shouldn't be escalating tensions with the Mexican border with a wall or sending the National Guard, etc. Given how defending borders is actually one of the primary jobs of the government I don't see the failing in that. Also the Paris Climate deal basically amounting to shelling out millions to CHina and India based on the promise that they would try to get their emissions in order. No thanks. As for tariffs, currently the US pays 100x the amount to send China what it costs China to send us the same thing https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/03/08/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-trump-talk-trade-deficit-china-twitter/407728002/ But hey, disagree with what you want. I see nothing wrong with anything you're objecting to, though. Hinakuluiau posted... Yes, it's good that the economy is doing well. That is what people tend to prioritize over other issues. My problem is that it looks like Clinton would have had similar stats to that without the above issues. Except Hillary votes exactly like Dick Cheney, and I dunno about you but I would rather not get into more wars in the middle east. That seems way worse than a trade spat with China imho. Hinakuluiau posted... Yes, that's good for the short-term. Is it viable long-term? History doesn't really show that it does. We're all gonna be hit by it pretty bad considering we're basing this s* off of the same stuff that got us into the last recession What caused the last recession was the housing bubble bursting...nothing to do with tax cuts. The government directed banks to give out subprime loans which they insured in case they weren't paid back, which they weren't, so of course the debt built up until none of it could be paid for and everyone who owned those securities went under. And then Obama bailed them out so that the big banks remained firmly in their oligopoly. Good job, Obummer. So yes I agree that Trump doing what the Clintons did would be disastrous. Thank fucking god he's not entering into that kind of nonsense like Hillary probably would have. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899380371] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote>Well, not everything is getting better. I don't agree with withdrawing from the Paris Climate Deal, I don't think increasing tarriff's are a good idea, we shouldn't be escalating tensions with the Mexican border with a wall or sending the National Guard, etc. </quote> Given how defending borders is actually one of the primary jobs of the government I don't see the failing in that. Also the Paris Climate deal basically amounting to shelling out millions to CHina and India based on the promise that they would try to get their emissions in order. No thanks. As for tariffs, currently the US pays 100x the amount to send China what it costs China to send us the same thing https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/03/08/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-trump-talk-trade-deficit-china-twitter/407728002/ But hey, disagree with what you want. I see nothing wrong with anything you're objecting to, though. <cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, it's good that the economy is doing well. That is what people tend to prioritize over other issues. My problem is that it looks like Clinton would have had similar stats to that without the above issues. </quote> Except Hillary votes exactly like Dick Cheney, and I dunno about you but I would rather not get into more wars in the middle east. That seems way worse than a trade spat with China imho. <cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, that's good for the short-term. Is it viable long-term? History doesn't really show that it does. We're all gonna be hit by it pretty bad considering we're basing this s* off of the same stuff that got us into the last recession</quote> What caused the last recession was the housing bubble bursting...nothing to do with tax cuts. The government directed banks to give out subprime loans which they insured in case they weren't paid back, which they weren't, so of course the debt built up until none of it could be paid for and everyone who owned those securities went under. And then Obama bailed them out so that the big banks remained firmly in their oligopoly. Good job, Obummer. So yes I agree that Trump doing what the Clintons did would be disastrous. Thank fucking god he's not entering into that kind of nonsense like Hillary probably would have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 04/09/18 11:57:39 PM #13:	Daily reminder that Mal claims to be a libertarian opposed to Trump --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:899380479] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote>Daily reminder that Mal claims to be a libertarian opposed to Trump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/09/18 11:59:30 PM #14:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Can anyone actually name something other than mean things Trump said that have gotten worse under him Environmental protections: https://www.vox.com/2017/2/2/14488448/stream-protection-rule https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-transcanada-pipeline-leak/keystone-pipeline-leak-in-south-dakota-about-double-previous-estimate-paper-idUSKBN1HE0T7 Labor protections: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/exclusive-number-osha-workplace-safety-inspectors-declines-under-trump-n834806 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-decision-to-allow-tip-pooling-could-cost-workers-6-billion-2017-12-13 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/30/the-trump-administrations-ongoing-attack-on-workers/ Consumer protections: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/41717-trump-officially-kills-cfpb-arbitration-rule https://www.thenation.com/article/the-trump-administration-just-gutted-payday-lending-regulations/ Protections for LGBT people https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/trump-targets-legal-effort-to-protect-lgbt-workers-from-bias https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/02/12/education-department-will-no-longer-investigate-transgender-bathroom-complaints/?utm_term=.c9f3a1f0ff96 Healthcare premiums https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/studies-find-trump-health-care-will-drive-premiums-n852086 http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/economy/trump-premiums/index.html Oh and basically every member of his administration is openly corrupt. Unless you have paid lobbyists, you're getting screwed and those in power think you'll accept crumbs in order to overlook it. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:899380613] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Can anyone actually name something other than mean things Trump said that have gotten worse under him </quote> Environmental protections: https://www.vox.com/2017/2/2/14488448/stream-protection-rule https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-transcanada-pipeline-leak/keystone-pipeline-leak-in-south-dakota-about-double-previous-estimate-paper-idUSKBN1HE0T7 Labor protections: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/exclusive-number-osha-workplace-safety-inspectors-declines-under-trump-n834806 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-decision-to-allow-tip-pooling-could-cost-workers-6-billion-2017-12-13 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/30/the-trump-administrations-ongoing-attack-on-workers/ Consumer protections: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/41717-trump-officially-kills-cfpb-arbitration-rule https://www.thenation.com/article/the-trump-administration-just-gutted-payday-lending-regulations/ Protections for LGBT people https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/trump-targets-legal-effort-to-protect-lgbt-workers-from-bias https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/02/12/education-department-will-no-longer-investigate-transgender-bathroom-complaints/?utm_term=.c9f3a1f0ff96 Healthcare premiums https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/studies-find-trump-health-care-will-drive-premiums-n852086 http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/economy/trump-premiums/index.html Oh and basically every member of his administration is openly corrupt. Unless you have paid lobbyists, you're getting screwed and those in power think you'll accept crumbs in order to overlook it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 04/10/18 12:00:41 AM #15:	Sephiroth1288 posted... I would rather not get into more wars in the middle east. you do know who his new National Security Adviser is, right? --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:899380692] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> I would rather not get into more wars in the middle east. </quote> you do know who his new National Security Adviser is, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 04/10/18 12:01:57 AM #16:	Hinakuluiau posted... I fail to see the connection between Trump and these. Yes, things are getting better, but in general life has been getting better with every single year. I think the connection is that they didn't get worse but people are acting like everything has because they dislike him. As already pointed out above though, some things have directly been made worse by him specifically. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:899380775] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote>I fail to see the connection between Trump and these. Yes, things are getting better, but in general life has been getting better with every single year.</quote> I think the connection is that they didn't get worse but people are acting like everything has because they dislike him. As already pointed out above though, some things have directly been made worse by him specifically.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sariana21 04/10/18 12:04:28 AM #17:	Antifar posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Can anyone actually name something other than mean things Trump said that have gotten worse under him Environmental protections: https://www.vox.com/2017/2/2/14488448/stream-protection-rule https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-transcanada-pipeline-leak/keystone-pipeline-leak-in-south-dakota-about-double-previous-estimate-paper-idUSKBN1HE0T7 Labor protections: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/exclusive-number-osha-workplace-safety-inspectors-declines-under-trump-n834806 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-decision-to-allow-tip-pooling-could-cost-workers-6-billion-2017-12-13 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/30/the-trump-administrations-ongoing-attack-on-workers/ Consumer protections: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/41717-trump-officially-kills-cfpb-arbitration-rule https://www.thenation.com/article/the-trump-administration-just-gutted-payday-lending-regulations/ Protections for LGBT people https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/trump-targets-legal-effort-to-protect-lgbt-workers-from-bias https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/02/12/education-department-will-no-longer-investigate-transgender-bathroom-complaints/?utm_term=.c9f3a1f0ff96 Healthcare premiums https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/studies-find-trump-health-care-will-drive-premiums-n852086 http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/economy/trump-premiums/index.html Oh and basically every member of his administration is openly corrupt. I was going to say that things are worse for those of us who appreciate our national parks and don't want more drilling, who believe it is our responsibility not to pollute our planet, and who support policies that encourage conservation and environmental mindfulness. Also that things are not better for certain groups of people, including full American citizens, without even going into the whole immigration issue. But @Antifar did a great job of expressing those and more. --- ___ Sari, Mom to DS (07/04) and DD (01/08) <cite>Sariana21 posted [p:899380943] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Can anyone actually name something other than mean things Trump said that have gotten worse under him </quote> Environmental protections: https://www.vox.com/2017/2/2/14488448/stream-protection-rule https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-transcanada-pipeline-leak/keystone-pipeline-leak-in-south-dakota-about-double-previous-estimate-paper-idUSKBN1HE0T7 Labor protections: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/exclusive-number-osha-workplace-safety-inspectors-declines-under-trump-n834806 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-decision-to-allow-tip-pooling-could-cost-workers-6-billion-2017-12-13 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/30/the-trump-administrations-ongoing-attack-on-workers/ Consumer protections: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/41717-trump-officially-kills-cfpb-arbitration-rule https://www.thenation.com/article/the-trump-administration-just-gutted-payday-lending-regulations/ Protections for LGBT people https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/trump-targets-legal-effort-to-protect-lgbt-workers-from-bias https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/02/12/education-department-will-no-longer-investigate-transgender-bathroom-complaints/?utm_term=.c9f3a1f0ff96 Healthcare premiums https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/studies-find-trump-health-care-will-drive-premiums-n852086 http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/economy/trump-premiums/index.html Oh and basically every member of his administration is openly corrupt.</quote> I was going to say that things are worse for those of us who appreciate our national parks and don't want more drilling, who believe it is our responsibility not to pollute our planet, and who support policies that encourage conservation and environmental mindfulness. Also that things are not better for certain groups of people, including full American citizens, without even going into the whole immigration issue. But @Antifar did a great job of expressing those and more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:11:50 AM #19:	Antifar posted... Environmental protections: https://www.vox.com/2017/2/2/14488448/stream-protection-rule https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-transcanada-pipeline-leak/keystone-pipeline-leak-in-south-dakota-about-double-previous-estimate-paper-idUSKBN1HE0T7 Trump allows people in the energy industry to work by pulling back a few of Obama's idiotic ""environmental"" protections that don;t actually protect the environment. Bummer. Antifar posted... Labor protections: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/exclusive-number-osha-workplace-safety-inspectors-declines-under-trump-n834806 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-decision-to-allow-tip-pooling-could-cost-workers-6-billion-2017-12-13 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/30/the-trump-administrations-ongoing-attack-on-workers/ Lol unions. If Trump were so bad for workers why is unemployment still plummeting? Could it be because all this crap was asinine and unnecessary? Also, the pooled tips thing hits close to home for me because I do work in the service industry. There's nothing wrong with pooled tips. Employees will elect to use it in circumstances so that people in an unfavorable shift don't get more money for the same work. Not allowing employers to use that system is confounding to me on the highest level. Antifar posted... Consumer protections: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/41717-trump-officially-kills-cfpb-arbitration-rule https://www.thenation.com/article/the-trump-administration-just-gutted-payday-lending-regulations/ In one of these stories the CFPB is good, and in the other story the CFPB is bad. Which is it? Antifar posted... Protections for LGBT people https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/trump-targets-legal-effort-to-protect-lgbt-workers-from-bias https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/02/12/education-department-will-no-longer-investigate-transgender-bathroom-complaints/?utm_term=.c9f3a1f0ff96 Yes I too would rather not make LGBTs a walking lawsuit bomb waiting to happen for all businesses. A business owner should be able to set their own bathroom policy. Antifar posted... Healthcare premiums https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/studies-find-trump-health-care-will-drive-premiums-n852086 http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/economy/trump-premiums/index.html I agree, Obamacare really should be dead by now. No excuse for why it isn't. Anything else? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899381353] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote> Environmental protections: https://www.vox.com/2017/2/2/14488448/stream-protection-rule https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-transcanada-pipeline-leak/keystone-pipeline-leak-in-south-dakota-about-double-previous-estimate-paper-idUSKBN1HE0T7</quote> Trump allows people in the energy industry to work by pulling back a few of Obama's idiotic ""environmental"" protections that don;t actually protect the environment. Bummer. <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Labor protections: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/exclusive-number-osha-workplace-safety-inspectors-declines-under-trump-n834806 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-decision-to-allow-tip-pooling-could-cost-workers-6-billion-2017-12-13 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/30/the-trump-administrations-ongoing-attack-on-workers/</quote> Lol unions. If Trump were so bad for workers why is unemployment still plummeting? Could it be because all this crap was asinine and unnecessary? Also, the pooled tips thing hits close to home for me because I do work in the service industry. There's nothing wrong with pooled tips. Employees will elect to use it in circumstances so that people in an unfavorable shift don't get more money for the same work. Not allowing employers to use that system is confounding to me on the highest level. <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Consumer protections: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/41717-trump-officially-kills-cfpb-arbitration-rule https://www.thenation.com/article/the-trump-administration-just-gutted-payday-lending-regulations/</quote> In one of these stories the CFPB is good, and in the other story the CFPB is bad. Which is it? <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote> Protections for LGBT people https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/trump-targets-legal-effort-to-protect-lgbt-workers-from-bias https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/02/12/education-department-will-no-longer-investigate-transgender-bathroom-complaints/?utm_term=.c9f3a1f0ff96</quote> Yes I too would rather not make LGBTs a walking lawsuit bomb waiting to happen for all businesses. A business owner should be able to set their own bathroom policy. <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Healthcare premiums https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/studies-find-trump-health-care-will-drive-premiums-n852086 http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/economy/trump-premiums/index.html</quote> I agree, Obamacare really should be dead by now. No excuse for why it isn't. Anything else?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:12:24 AM #20:	CrimsonRage posted... a lot of these are either in spite of Trump or continuing effects of Obama How can that be the case when almost everything Obama did was undone early last year --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899381382] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote>a lot of these are either in spite of Trump or continuing effects of Obama</quote> How can that be the case when almost everything Obama did was undone early last year</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 04/10/18 12:13:06 AM #21:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Trump allows people in the energy industry to work by pulling back a few of Obama's idiotic ""environmental"" protections that don;t actually protect the environment. Bummer. Like which one? --- I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you. PSN-Bishop9800 <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:899381430] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump allows people in the energy industry to work by pulling back a few of Obama's idiotic ""environmental"" protections that don;t actually protect the environment. Bummer. </quote> Like which one?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:14:13 AM #22:	Bishop9800 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Trump allows people in the energy industry to work by pulling back a few of Obama's idiotic ""environmental"" protections that don;t actually protect the environment. Bummer. Like which one? The Trans-Canadian pipeline, for example. There's tons of pipelines running through there already but building that one is a scandal for some reason. This is literally manufactured outrage. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899381502] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump allows people in the energy industry to work by pulling back a few of Obama's idiotic ""environmental"" protections that don;t actually protect the environment. Bummer. </quote> Like which one?</quote> The Trans-Canadian pipeline, for example. There's tons of pipelines running through there already but building that one is a scandal for some reason. This is literally manufactured outrage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 04/10/18 12:16:11 AM #23:	Obama was not just a shit president, but one of the most ignorant and damaging people to have ever worked in government. I'm glad he's gone and that we have Trump now. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:899381645] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote>Obama was not just a shit president, but one of the most ignorant and damaging people to have ever worked in government. I'm glad he's gone and that we have Trump now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/10/18 12:17:09 AM #24:	Sephiroth1288 posted... There's nothing wrong with pooled tips Even the Trump administration can't deny that the rule would result in bosses stealing wages http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/dol-hid-study-showing-tips-rule-could-cost-workers-billions.html Labor Department leadership scrubbed an unfavorable internal analysis from a new tip pooling proposal, shielding the public from estimates that potentially billions of dollars in gratuities could be transferred from workers to their employers, four current and former DOL sources tell Bloomberg Law. The administration wants to allow your boss to steal your tips. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:899381705] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>There's nothing wrong with pooled tips</quote> Even the Trump administration can't deny that the rule would result in bosses stealing wages http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/dol-hid-study-showing-tips-rule-could-cost-workers-billions.html <quote>Labor Department leadership scrubbed an unfavorable internal analysis from a new tip pooling proposal, shielding the public from estimates that potentially billions of dollars in gratuities could be transferred from workers to their employers, four current and former DOL sources tell Bloomberg Law.</quote> The administration wants to allow your boss to steal your tips.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:20:33 AM #25:	Antifar posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... There's nothing wrong with pooled tips Even the Trump administration can't deny that the rule would result in bosses stealing wages http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/dol-hid-study-showing-tips-rule-could-cost-workers-billions.html Lol. Bro we have tip pooling here in Nevada and of the five places I've worked at none had tips taken by managers. That would be a great way to lose all your bartenders and servers in one night. I'm not interested in "could". The invisible hand is real. Employers have no good incentive to piss off their staff like that. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899381932] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>There's nothing wrong with pooled tips</quote> Even the Trump administration can't deny that the rule would result in bosses stealing wages http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/dol-hid-study-showing-tips-rule-could-cost-workers-billions.html</quote> Lol. Bro we have tip pooling here in Nevada and of the five places I've worked at none had tips taken by managers. That would be a great way to lose all your bartenders and servers in one night. I'm not interested in "could". The invisible hand is real. Employers have no good incentive to piss off their staff like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/10/18 12:23:21 AM #26:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Bro we have tip pooling here in Nevada and of the five places I've worked at none had tips taken by managers. Because the previous law prevented bosses from doing that. But the proposal would also allow restaurant owners to transfer those tips to their own pockets: While the measure empowers businesses to collect their tipped employees gratuities and encourages them to redistribute that cash back to workers, in a manner that cuts non-tipped workers in on the deal the rule doesnt actually require businesses to give the money back. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/04/business/economy/tips-rule.html In December, the administration announced a proposal to undo portions of a 2011 regulation that blocked employers from collecting tips and distributing them to anyone other than the workers who customarily receive them. Under the new proposal, for which the public comment period ends on Monday, employers could use workers tips for essentially any purpose, as long as the workers were directly paid at least the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:899382119] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Bro we have tip pooling here in Nevada and of the five places I've worked at none had tips taken by managers.</quote> Because the previous law prevented bosses from doing that. <quote>But the proposal would also allow restaurant owners to transfer those tips to their own pockets: While the measure empowers businesses to collect their tipped employees gratuities and encourages them to redistribute that cash back to workers, in a manner that cuts non-tipped workers in on the deal the rule doesnt actually require businesses to give the money back.</quote> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/04/business/economy/tips-rule.html <quote>In December, the administration announced a proposal to undo portions of a 2011 regulation that blocked employers from collecting tips and distributing them to anyone other than the workers who customarily receive them. Under the new proposal, for which the public comment period ends on Monday, employers could use workers tips for essentially any purpose, as long as the workers were directly paid at least the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/10/18 12:26:28 AM #27:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Employers have no good incentive to piss off their staff like that. Employers already steal billions of dollars from workers https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/18/minimum-wage-not-enforced-investigation-409644 Wage laws are poorly enforced, with workers often unable to recover back pay even after the government rules in their favor. Thats the conclusion of a nine-month investigation by POLITICO, which found that workers are so lightly protected that six states have no investigators to handle minimum-wage violations, while 26 additional states have fewer than 10 investigators. Given the widespread nature of wage theft and the dearth of resources to combat it, most cases go unreported. Thus, an estimated $15 billion in desperately needed income for workers with lowest wages goes instead into the pockets of shady bosses. But even those workers who are able to brave the system and win to get states to order their bosses to pay them what theyre owed -- confront a further barrier: Fully 41 percent of the wages that employers are ordered to pay back to their workers arent recovered, according to a POLITICO survey of 15 states. Thats partly because, in addition to lacking resources, states lack the tools to go after the landscaping firms, restaurants, cleaning companies and other employers that shed one corporate skin for another, changing names while essentially continuing the same businesses often to evade orders to pay back their workers. https://www.fastcompany.com/40420451/companies-steal-15-billion-from-their-employees-every-year When employers fail to pay overtime, withhold tips from waitresses and waiters, or misclassify workers as exempt from minimum wage regulations, theyre stealing income from the poorest members of society. Wage theft, the collective term for this practice, can take many forms. But it comes down to something simple: bosses stiffing workers out what they are legally owed. This workplace larceny is worse than you might think. The Economic Policy Institute, a think-tank that investigates labor issues, analyzed records for the 10 most populous states. Looking just at one form of wage theftfailure to pay minimum wages in each stateit documents $8 billion in annual underpayments. Extrapolated across the U.S. as a whole, it calculates a total of $15 billion a year in employer misappropriation, which is more than the value of all the property stolen during robberies, burglaries, and auto thefts across the country. You can put your faith in your theoretical invisible hand. I will tend to believe the actual statistics on the matter --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:899382294] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Employers have no good incentive to piss off their staff like that. </quote> Employers already steal billions of dollars from workers https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/18/minimum-wage-not-enforced-investigation-409644 <quote>Wage laws are poorly enforced, with workers often unable to recover back pay even after the government rules in their favor. Thats the conclusion of a nine-month investigation by POLITICO, which found that workers are so lightly protected that six states have no investigators to handle minimum-wage violations, while 26 additional states have fewer than 10 investigators. Given the widespread nature of wage theft and the dearth of resources to combat it, most cases go unreported. Thus, an estimated $15 billion in desperately needed income for workers with lowest wages goes instead into the pockets of shady bosses. But even those workers who are able to brave the system and win to get states to order their bosses to pay them what theyre owed -- confront a further barrier: Fully 41 percent of the wages that employers are ordered to pay back to their workers arent recovered, according to a POLITICO survey of 15 states. Thats partly because, in addition to lacking resources, states lack the tools to go after the landscaping firms, restaurants, cleaning companies and other employers that shed one corporate skin for another, changing names while essentially continuing the same businesses often to evade orders to pay back their workers.</quote> https://www.fastcompany.com/40420451/companies-steal-15-billion-from-their-employees-every-year <quote>When employers fail to pay overtime, withhold tips from waitresses and waiters, or misclassify workers as exempt from minimum wage regulations, theyre stealing income from the poorest members of society. Wage theft, the collective term for this practice, can take many forms. But it comes down to something simple: bosses stiffing workers out what they are legally owed. This workplace larceny is worse than you might think. The Economic Policy Institute, a think-tank that investigates labor issues, analyzed records for the 10 most populous states. Looking just at one form of wage theftfailure to pay minimum wages in each stateit documents $8 billion in annual underpayments. Extrapolated across the U.S. as a whole, it calculates a total of $15 billion a year in employer misappropriation, which is more than the value of all the property stolen during robberies, burglaries, and auto thefts across the country.</quote> You can put your faith in your theoretical invisible hand. I will tend to believe the actual statistics on the matter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:26:43 AM #28:	Antifar posted... Because the previous law prevented bosses from doing that. ITP the period after 2011 is all that matters. The law is bogus. It nonsensically kept businesses from pooling tips because of the idea that bosses might take them. Which there was never an epidemic of beforehand. Stop pretending like the government is supposed to be a bulwark against all shitty people. It's bad at doing that, and it can't succeed. Antifar posted... https://www.fastcompany.com/40420451/companies-steal-15-billion-from-their-employees-every-year You can put your faith in your theoretical invisible hand. I will tend to believe the actual statistics on the matter Oh look, I guess that Obama-era policy didn't stop this kind of thing after all. So why the crocodile tears for a law banning tip pooling? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899382309] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Because the previous law prevented bosses from doing that. </quote> ITP the period after 2011 is all that matters. The law is bogus. It nonsensically kept businesses from pooling tips because of the idea that bosses might take them. Which there was never an epidemic of beforehand. Stop pretending like the government is supposed to be a bulwark against all shitty people. It's bad at doing that, and it can't succeed. <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.fastcompany.com/40420451/companies-steal-15-billion-from-their-employees-every-year You can put your faith in your theoretical invisible hand. I will tend to believe the actual statistics on the matter</quote> Oh look, I guess that Obama-era policy didn't stop this kind of thing after all. So why the crocodile tears for a law banning tip pooling?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FighterStreet 04/10/18 12:27:49 AM #29:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Antifar posted... Environmental protections: https://www.vox.com/2017/2/2/14488448/stream-protection-rule https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-transcanada-pipeline-leak/keystone-pipeline-leak-in-south-dakota-about-double-previous-estimate-paper-idUSKBN1HE0T7 Trump allows people in the energy industry to work by pulling back a few of Obama's idiotic ""environmental"" protections that don;t actually protect the environment. Bummer. Antifar posted... Labor protections: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/exclusive-number-osha-workplace-safety-inspectors-declines-under-trump-n834806 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-decision-to-allow-tip-pooling-could-cost-workers-6-billion-2017-12-13 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/30/the-trump-administrations-ongoing-attack-on-workers/ Lol unions. If Trump were so bad for workers why is unemployment still plummeting? Could it be because all this crap was asinine and unnecessary? Also, the pooled tips thing hits close to home for me because I do work in the service industry. There's nothing wrong with pooled tips. Employees will elect to use it in circumstances so that people in an unfavorable shift don't get more money for the same work. Not allowing employers to use that system is confounding to me on the highest level. Antifar posted... Consumer protections: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/41717-trump-officially-kills-cfpb-arbitration-rule https://www.thenation.com/article/the-trump-administration-just-gutted-payday-lending-regulations/ In one of these stories the CFPB is good, and in the other story the CFPB is bad. Which is it? Antifar posted... Protections for LGBT people https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/trump-targets-legal-effort-to-protect-lgbt-workers-from-bias https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/02/12/education-department-will-no-longer-investigate-transgender-bathroom-complaints/?utm_term=.c9f3a1f0ff96 Yes I too would rather not make LGBTs a walking lawsuit bomb waiting to happen for all businesses. A business owner should be able to set their own bathroom policy. Antifar posted... Healthcare premiums https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/studies-find-trump-health-care-will-drive-premiums-n852086 http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/economy/trump-premiums/index.html I agree, Obamacare really should be dead by now. No excuse for why it isn't. Anything else? do your republican beliefs come with a soul? <cite>FighterStreet posted [p:899382364] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote> Environmental protections: https://www.vox.com/2017/2/2/14488448/stream-protection-rule https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-transcanada-pipeline-leak/keystone-pipeline-leak-in-south-dakota-about-double-previous-estimate-paper-idUSKBN1HE0T7</quote> Trump allows people in the energy industry to work by pulling back a few of Obama's idiotic ""environmental"" protections that don;t actually protect the environment. Bummer. <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Labor protections: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/exclusive-number-osha-workplace-safety-inspectors-declines-under-trump-n834806 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-decision-to-allow-tip-pooling-could-cost-workers-6-billion-2017-12-13 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/30/the-trump-administrations-ongoing-attack-on-workers/</quote> Lol unions. If Trump were so bad for workers why is unemployment still plummeting? Could it be because all this crap was asinine and unnecessary? Also, the pooled tips thing hits close to home for me because I do work in the service industry. There's nothing wrong with pooled tips. Employees will elect to use it in circumstances so that people in an unfavorable shift don't get more money for the same work. Not allowing employers to use that system is confounding to me on the highest level. <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Consumer protections: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/41717-trump-officially-kills-cfpb-arbitration-rule https://www.thenation.com/article/the-trump-administration-just-gutted-payday-lending-regulations/</quote> In one of these stories the CFPB is good, and in the other story the CFPB is bad. Which is it? <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote> Protections for LGBT people https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/trump-targets-legal-effort-to-protect-lgbt-workers-from-bias https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/02/12/education-department-will-no-longer-investigate-transgender-bathroom-complaints/?utm_term=.c9f3a1f0ff96</quote> Yes I too would rather not make LGBTs a walking lawsuit bomb waiting to happen for all businesses. A business owner should be able to set their own bathroom policy. <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Healthcare premiums https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/studies-find-trump-health-care-will-drive-premiums-n852086 http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/economy/trump-premiums/index.html</quote> I agree, Obamacare really should be dead by now. No excuse for why it isn't. Anything else?</quote> do your republican beliefs come with a soul?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/10/18 12:29:18 AM #30:	Mal posted... In one of these stories the CFPB is good, and in the other story the CFPB is bad. Which is it? In one of those the CFPB was operating under Obama; in the other it was led by someone who thinks it should be done away with --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:899382454] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal posted...</cite> <quote>In one of these stories the CFPB is good, and in the other story the CFPB is bad. Which is it? </quote> In one of those the CFPB was operating under Obama; in the other it was led by someone who thinks it should be done away with</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:29:24 AM #31:	FighterStreet posted... do your republican beliefs come with a soul? I'm an atheist. Souls don't exist. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899382456] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>FighterStreet posted...</cite> <quote>do your republican beliefs come with a soul?</quote> I'm an atheist. Souls don't exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 04/10/18 12:30:10 AM #32:	but guys remember mal fet is totally not a Trump supporter. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:899382497] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote>but guys remember mal fet is totally not a Trump supporter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/10/18 12:30:21 AM #33:	Sephiroth1288 posted... I guess that Obama-era policy didn't stop this kind of thing after all. Tip pooling is not the wage theft being addressed by those statistics! That was just basic minimum wage and overtime pay; the sort you believe the invisible hand will ensure employers provide. The estimate is that billions more will be stolen under the new rule. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:899382511] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>I guess that Obama-era policy didn't stop this kind of thing after all.</quote> Tip pooling is not the wage theft being addressed by those statistics! That was just basic minimum wage and overtime pay; the sort you believe the invisible hand will ensure employers provide. The estimate is that billions more will be stolen under the new rule.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:30:43 AM #34:	Antifar posted... In one of those the CFPB was operating under Obama; CFPB bans mandatory arbitration clauses, allows class action against banks July 10, 2017 Be honest. Did you actually read any of those links, or did you just copypasta them from leddit? Antifar posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... I guess that Obama-era policy didn't stop this kind of thing after all. Tip pooling is not the wage theft being addressed by those statistics! The estimate is that billions more will be stolen under the new rule. "Estimate" Yeah ok. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899382537] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>In one of those the CFPB was operating under Obama;</quote> <quote>CFPB bans mandatory arbitration clauses, allows class action against banks July 10, 2017</quote> Be honest. Did you actually read any of those links, or did you just copypasta them from leddit? <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>I guess that Obama-era policy didn't stop this kind of thing after all.</quote> Tip pooling is not the wage theft being addressed by those statistics! The estimate is that billions more will be stolen under the new rule.</quote> "Estimate" Yeah ok.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/10/18 12:34:40 AM #35:	Did you? Blocking the Keystone pipeline was not "idiotic ""environmental"" protections that don;t actually protect the environment." Making sure trans students have appropriate accommodations is not "making LGBTs a walking lawsuit bomb waiting to happen for all businesses." And the healthcare stories were the direct result of Trump's attempts to undercut the law --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:899382740] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote>Did you? Blocking the Keystone pipeline was not "idiotic ""environmental"" protections that don;t actually protect the environment." Making sure trans students have appropriate accommodations is not "making LGBTs a walking lawsuit bomb waiting to happen for all businesses." And the healthcare stories were the direct result of Trump's attempts to undercut the law</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/10/18 12:35:50 AM #36:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Hate crimes down I'm assuming libs got tired of faking them. It is pretty amazing how there was a rash of them right after the election that seemed to magically stop. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899382807] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Hate crimes down</quote> I'm assuming libs got tired of faking them. It is pretty amazing how there was a rash of them right after the election that seemed to magically stop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/10/18 12:36:18 AM #37:	Sephiroth1288 posted... "Estimate" Yeah ok. The people who wrote the rule tried to show it wouldn't result in wage theft. They couldn't. Labor Department leadership scrubbed an unfavorable internal analysis from a new tip pooling proposal, shielding the public from estimates that potentially billions of dollars in gratuities could be transferred from workers to their employers, four current and former DOL sources tell Bloomberg Law. The agency shelved the economic analysis, compiled by DOL staff, from a December proposal to scrap an Obama administration rule. The Obama rule banned certain tip pooling arrangements that involve restaurant servers and other workers who make tips and back-of-the-house workers who dont. The proposal to reverse the Obama rule sparked outrage from worker advocates who said it would permit management to essentially skim gratuities by participating in the pools themselves. Senior department political officials, after viewing an annual projection that billions of dollars in tips could transfer to businesses as a result of the proposal, ordered staff to revise the data methodology to lessen the expected impact, several of the sources said. Successive calculations showed progressively reduced values, but Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta and his team are said to have still been uncomfortable with including the data in the eventual proposal. The officials disagreed with assumptions in the analysis that employers would retain their employees gratuities, rather than redistribute the money to other hourly workers. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:899382832] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>"Estimate" Yeah ok.</quote> The people who wrote the rule tried to show it wouldn't result in wage theft. They couldn't. <quote>Labor Department leadership scrubbed an unfavorable internal analysis from a new tip pooling proposal, shielding the public from estimates that potentially billions of dollars in gratuities could be transferred from workers to their employers, four current and former DOL sources tell Bloomberg Law. The agency shelved the economic analysis, compiled by DOL staff, from a December proposal to scrap an Obama administration rule. The Obama rule banned certain tip pooling arrangements that involve restaurant servers and other workers who make tips and back-of-the-house workers who dont. The proposal to reverse the Obama rule sparked outrage from worker advocates who said it would permit management to essentially skim gratuities by participating in the pools themselves. Senior department political officials, after viewing an annual projection that billions of dollars in tips could transfer to businesses as a result of the proposal, ordered staff to revise the data methodology to lessen the expected impact, several of the sources said. Successive calculations showed progressively reduced values, but Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta and his team are said to have still been uncomfortable with including the data in the eventual proposal. The officials disagreed with assumptions in the analysis that employers would retain their employees gratuities, rather than redistribute the money to other hourly workers. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FighterStreet 04/10/18 12:36:43 AM #38:	Sephiroth1288 posted... FighterStreet posted... do your republican beliefs come with a soul? I'm an atheist. Souls don't exist. oh so am i. I was just figuratively referring to empathy in a melodramatic way to insinuate how you sound like a sociopath <cite>FighterStreet posted [p:899382859] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FighterStreet posted...</cite> <quote>do your republican beliefs come with a soul?</quote> I'm an atheist. Souls don't exist.</quote> oh so am i. I was just figuratively referring to empathy in a melodramatic way to insinuate how you sound like a sociopath</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:38:13 AM #39:	Antifar posted... Blocking the Keystone pipeline was not "idiotic ""environmental"" protections that don;t actually protect the environment." It was, given how many other pipelines there were in the area and how it wasn't passing through any native property. Antifar posted... Making sure trans students have appropriate accommodations is not "making LGBTs a walking lawsuit bomb waiting to happen for all businesses." Yes it is. Forcing businesses to accommodate every new gender is a major and unnecessary expenditure that will result in lawsuits for businesses that don't follow it. Antifar posted... And the healthcare stories were the direct result of Trump's attempts to undercut the law Agreed. We should oust Obamacare once and for all. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899382937] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Blocking the Keystone pipeline was not "idiotic ""environmental"" protections that don;t actually protect the environment."</quote> It was, given how many other pipelines there were in the area and how it wasn't passing through any native property. <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Making sure trans students have appropriate accommodations is not "making LGBTs a walking lawsuit bomb waiting to happen for all businesses."</quote> Yes it is. Forcing businesses to accommodate every new gender is a major and unnecessary expenditure that will result in lawsuits for businesses that don't follow it. <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>And the healthcare stories were the direct result of Trump's attempts to undercut the law</quote> Agreed. We should oust Obamacare once and for all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/10/18 12:40:15 AM #41:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Agreed. We should oust Obamacare once and for all. Obamacare sucks. Trump has done nothing that would improve it, but, instead, he has pushed ideas that have resulted in premium increases https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/studies-find-trump-health-care-will-drive-premiums-n852086 Premiums on the individual market are likely to shoot up and fewer people will be insured next year, thanks to President Donald Trump's latest moves on health care, according to two independent studies. A report by the Urban Institute, a nonpartisan think tank, examined the Republican tax bill's elimination of the individual mandate, which requires people to maintain coverage or pay a penalty, along with the White House's recent move to allow customers to purchase cheaper short-term insurance plans for up to a year. These plans can reject coverage based on preexisting conditions and offer more limited benefits than plans approved by Obamacare. The White House has argued the short-term plans will provide an affordable alternative for some customers who are priced out of Obamacare. But critics say they'll encourage people to buy inadequate insurance and raise premiums for people who need comprehensive care. The combined effect, according to the Urban Institute report released this week, will increase premiums for insurance plans compliant with the Affordable Care Act will increase 18.2 percent in 2019 in the 43 states that dont have limits on short-term plans that supersede the new federal rules. Without the individual mandate, they estimate another 6.4 million people will be uninsured in 2019 while 2.5 million more people will have insurance plans that don't Obamacare's standards of "minimum essential coverage." Despite covering fewer people, federal health spending will go up by $33 billion because federal subsidies will have to rise to match the higher premiums. The Congressional Budget Office, the agency responsible for scoring legislation, has previously estimated 4 million fewer people would have insurance without the individual mandate in 2019, eventually rising to 13 million in 2027, and that premiums would increase by 10 percent annually as a result. The Avalere Health report looked at the effect of another Trump administration move to open up small businesses and self-employed workers to new association health plans that can also skirt Obamacare's regulations to offer cheaper, less comprehensive coverage that can vary according to the age of the companys workers. They expect 3.2 million people to join one of the new association health plans. The new association health plans would also provide a cheaper option for many, even if they offered less generous care: The average plan would cost $2,900 less per year versus the group market and $9,700 less compared to the individual market. But this would be due in large part to selection bias as younger and healthier people would be attracted to association plans that leave out essential health benefits like prescription drugs or mental health while older and sicker people would remain with comprehensive plans that cover chronic illness or expensive medication. Without fewer healthier customers, Obamacare-compliant individual plans would see premiums rise by 3.5 percent and small group plans by 0.5 percent. The premium increases would prompt another 130,000 people to go without insurance. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:899383044] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. We should oust Obamacare once and for all. </quote> Obamacare sucks. Trump has done nothing that would improve it, but, instead, he has pushed ideas that have resulted in premium increases https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/studies-find-trump-health-care-will-drive-premiums-n852086 <quote>Premiums on the individual market are likely to shoot up and fewer people will be insured next year, thanks to President Donald Trump's latest moves on health care, according to two independent studies. A report by the Urban Institute, a nonpartisan think tank, examined the Republican tax bill's elimination of the individual mandate, which requires people to maintain coverage or pay a penalty, along with the White House's recent move to allow customers to purchase cheaper short-term insurance plans for up to a year. These plans can reject coverage based on preexisting conditions and offer more limited benefits than plans approved by Obamacare. The White House has argued the short-term plans will provide an affordable alternative for some customers who are priced out of Obamacare. But critics say they'll encourage people to buy inadequate insurance and raise premiums for people who need comprehensive care. The combined effect, according to the Urban Institute report released this week, will increase premiums for insurance plans compliant with the Affordable Care Act will increase 18.2 percent in 2019 in the 43 states that dont have limits on short-term plans that supersede the new federal rules. Without the individual mandate, they estimate another 6.4 million people will be uninsured in 2019 while 2.5 million more people will have insurance plans that don't Obamacare's standards of "minimum essential coverage." Despite covering fewer people, federal health spending will go up by $33 billion because federal subsidies will have to rise to match the higher premiums. The Congressional Budget Office, the agency responsible for scoring legislation, has previously estimated 4 million fewer people would have insurance without the individual mandate in 2019, eventually rising to 13 million in 2027, and that premiums would increase by 10 percent annually as a result. The Avalere Health report looked at the effect of another Trump administration move to open up small businesses and self-employed workers to new association health plans that can also skirt Obamacare's regulations to offer cheaper, less comprehensive coverage that can vary according to the age of the companys workers. They expect 3.2 million people to join one of the new association health plans. The new association health plans would also provide a cheaper option for many, even if they offered less generous care: The average plan would cost $2,900 less per year versus the group market and $9,700 less compared to the individual market. But this would be due in large part to selection bias as younger and healthier people would be attracted to association plans that leave out essential health benefits like prescription drugs or mental health while older and sicker people would remain with comprehensive plans that cover chronic illness or expensive medication. Without fewer healthier customers, Obamacare-compliant individual plans would see premiums rise by 3.5 percent and small group plans by 0.5 percent. The premium increases would prompt another 130,000 people to go without insurance. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:40:44 AM #42:	Antifar posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Agreed. We should oust Obamacare once and for all. Obamacare sucks. Trump has done nothing that would improve it. Agreed. Can't wait til he finally destroys it and lowers premiums. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899383067] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Agreed. We should oust Obamacare once and for all. </quote> Obamacare sucks. Trump has done nothing that would improve it.</quote> Agreed. Can't wait til he finally destroys it and lowers premiums.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:41:33 AM #43:	FighterStreet posted... oh so am i. I was just figuratively referring to empathy in a melodramatic way to insinuate how you sound like a sociopath I would argue the sociopaths are the ones calling it terrible that Americans are better off by every measurable factor. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899383109] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>FighterStreet posted...</cite> <quote>oh so am i. I was just figuratively referring to empathy in a melodramatic way to insinuate how you sound like a sociopath</quote> I would argue the sociopaths are the ones calling it terrible that Americans are better off by every measurable factor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I_Stay_Noided 04/10/18 12:41:39 AM #44:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImHZsSqB11U" data-time=" --- https://i.imgur.com/GAMW8yg.png https://i.imgur.com/btGOdK9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/A8lSuSR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uketqtZ.jpg <cite>I_Stay_Noided posted [p:899383112] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImHZsSqB11U" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:42:16 AM #45:	Antifar posted... The people who wrote the rule tried to show it wouldn't result in wage theft. They couldn't. You can't prove something won't happen. That's not how proof works. Didn't you have a problem with this concept in another topic yesterday? I can't remember if it was you --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899383147] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>The people who wrote the rule tried to show it wouldn't result in wage theft. They couldn't. </quote> You can't prove something won't happen. That's not how proof works. Didn't you have a problem with this concept in another topic yesterday? I can't remember if it was you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:43:35 AM #46:	I_Stay_Noided posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImHZsSqB11U" data-time=" ... --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899383209] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>I_Stay_Noided posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImHZsSqB11U" data-time="</quote> ...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FighterStreet 04/10/18 12:44:20 AM #47:	Sephiroth1288 posted... FighterStreet posted... oh so am i. I was just figuratively referring to empathy in a melodramatic way to insinuate how you sound like a sociopath I would argue the sociopaths are the ones calling it terrible that Americans are better off by every measurable factor. nah i'd just say you're a sociopath like most republicans i know. well, that's not true. most republicans i know are just republicans because they were raised that way and dont know any better. <cite>FighterStreet posted [p:899383241] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FighterStreet posted...</cite> <quote>oh so am i. I was just figuratively referring to empathy in a melodramatic way to insinuate how you sound like a sociopath</quote> I would argue the sociopaths are the ones calling it terrible that Americans are better off by every measurable factor.</quote> nah i'd just say you're a sociopath like most republicans i know. well, that's not true. most republicans i know are just republicans because they were raised that way and dont know any better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/10/18 12:44:22 AM #48:	Sephiroth1288 posted... You can't prove something won't happen. That's not how proof works. To rephrase, then: every analysis they performed, despite obvious incentive to show the rule wouldn't result in massive wage theft, showed that the rule would result in massive wage theft. They then refused to make their analysis public. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:899383242] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You can't prove something won't happen. That's not how proof works. </quote> To rephrase, then: every analysis they performed, despite obvious incentive to show the rule wouldn't result in massive wage theft, showed that the rule would result in massive wage theft. They then refused to make their analysis public.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/10/18 12:48:44 AM #49:	Antifar posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... You can't prove something won't happen. That's not how proof works. To rephrase, then: every analysis they performed, despite obvious incentive to show the rule wouldn't result in massive wage theft, showed that the rule would result in massive wage theft. They then refused to make their analysis public. So make that illegal. No need to ban tip pooling like what that dumbass Obama-era law did. Is that honestly the best you got? That a terrible law getting struck down is bad because some minute part of it might have been doing something good? Even though with that law in place some employers were still screwing employees anyway? Come on now. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899383461] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You can't prove something won't happen. That's not how proof works. </quote> To rephrase, then: every analysis they performed, despite obvious incentive to show the rule wouldn't result in massive wage theft, showed that the rule would result in massive wage theft. They then refused to make their analysis public.</quote> So make that illegal. No need to ban tip pooling like what that dumbass Obama-era law did. Is that honestly the best you got? That a terrible law getting struck down is bad because some minute part of it might have been doing something good? Even though with that law in place some employers were still screwing employees anyway? Come on now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cosmic_Diabetic 04/10/18 12:50:13 AM #50:	Love the lower crime rates citation of the year before he was in office. Really driving the point home. --- Others find humanity by looking in their own hearts. Only lost souls need to search for it outside themselves." <cite>Cosmic_Diabetic posted [p:899383530] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote>Love the lower crime rates citation of the year before he was in office. Really driving the point home.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FighterStreet 04/10/18 12:50:52 AM #51:	r u a racist too <cite>FighterStreet posted [p:899383564] in Everything... [t:76502182]...</cite> <quote>r u a racist too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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