Western game devs have realized and capitalized on the market that most people treat games as either tous or interactive story books and this poll is evidence.
Everybody who voted too hard is literally a casual.
Or we're not talking about the same games...When we say too hard, we're not necessarily talking about our games or games we own. We're talking about which we would rather not play. When we think of too hard, we could be thinking about a games from somewhere else. Or from years ago. Or just thinking of a game in general. We're not saying our games are too hard. But that we would rather have a too easy game instead of too hard...
A game thats too easy is nothing but a time sink.
Evenif you play a game thats impossible to win, pushing yourself mentally and sometimes physically to try winning still leaves your body with objectively positive gains than the brain drain that comes from playing a simplified skinners box.
Again, preferring something easy is a casual mentality, not just in videogames but life as a whole.
Most people are casuals though. I dont know why people try hiding it aside from corrupting the groups that want to push their limits.
Me putting 5 hours into beating a story I like> Me getting killed and failing to progress for 5 hours.
How dare people be casual and not want to be stressed and have fun? So weird.
If you're just in it for the story then why not read a book?
If the challenge is too much then why not git gud?
Because i cant control the book. Why do you people want challenging video games but wont go outside and challenge yourselves?
I often do, but I can't fight back hordes of Orkz outside because they don't really exist.
And how much are you REALLY controlling the walking simulator you are playing? You control that story about as much as you control the one happening in your mind when you read.
By the way, the git gud comment was a joke. I am really not serious enough about this topic to insult someone or care what game's they play.
You control the character. Not only that, some games have multiple endings. And in those games, you kind of are controlling the story... ---
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It depends. If a game is so easy that I feel I'm just freezing through, that can get boring.
If a game is too hard because it's poorly designed, or luck-oriented, or overly punishing, or downright cheap, that's also bad. But if a game is difficult, but in a fair and challenging way, that more often pushes me to get better at the game and can be more rewarding in all.
I voted "too easy", but there are a lot of factors here. ---
If I have to do an area that is like 10 minutes long 20 times to beat it. That's the worst sin of video games in my book. Sure it feels good that I beat it, but I'm not exactly proud. ---
Western game devs have realized and capitalized on the market that most people treat games as either tous or interactive story books and this poll is evidence.
Everybody who voted too hard is literally a casual.
Or we're not talking about the same games...When we say too hard, we're not necessarily talking about our games or games we own. We're talking about which we would rather not play. When we think of too hard, we could be thinking about a games from somewhere else. Or from years ago. Or just thinking of a game in general. We're not saying our games are too hard. But that we would rather have a too easy game instead of too hard...
A game thats too easy is nothing but a time sink.
Evenif you play a game thats impossible to win, pushing yourself mentally and sometimes physically to try winning still leaves your body with objectively positive gains than the brain drain that comes from playing a simplified skinners box.
Again, preferring something easy is a casual mentality, not just in videogames but life as a whole.
Most people are casuals though. I dont know why people try hiding it aside from corrupting the groups that want to push their limits.
Me putting 5 hours into beating a story I like> Me getting killed and failing to progress for 5 hours.
How dare people be casual and not want to be stressed and have fun? So weird.
If you're just in it for the story then why not read a book?
Because it's not at all the same thing, any more than experiencing a story through a book vs. a movie is.
Videogames are interactive, and in particular role-playing games, you're taking on an actual role to play (crazy concept, huh?), you're not just controlling some automaton that mindlessly shoots at stuff. You have characters, that a good story will get you to care about. And their struggles are your struggles. And when a plot twist is done well in a videogame, you will personally feel like you've been betrayed, rather than just some dude you're watching on a screen has been betrayed. When you find out you were mistaken in your outlook and have been unwittingly doing what the actual villain wants all along, those were actions you took, decisions you made. It impacts you far more than just passively watching it unfold.
If you don't give a damn about games with a rich story and plot (and the fact that you think it's no different than just reading a book tells me you don't), that's your preference. Fine. But plenty of us do enjoy those games.
Western game devs have realized and capitalized on the market that most people treat games as either tous or interactive story books and this poll is evidence.
Everybody who voted too hard is literally a casual.
Or we're not talking about the same games...When we say too hard, we're not necessarily talking about our games or games we own. We're talking about which we would rather not play. When we think of too hard, we could be thinking about a games from somewhere else. Or from years ago. Or just thinking of a game in general. We're not saying our games are too hard. But that we would rather have a too easy game instead of too hard...
A game thats too easy is nothing but a time sink.
Evenif you play a game thats impossible to win, pushing yourself mentally and sometimes physically to try winning still leaves your body with objectively positive gains than the brain drain that comes from playing a simplified skinners box.
Again, preferring something easy is a casual mentality, not just in videogames but life as a whole.
Most people are casuals though. I dont know why people try hiding it aside from corrupting the groups that want to push their limits.
Me putting 5 hours into beating a story I like> Me getting killed and failing to progress for 5 hours.
How dare people be casual and not want to be stressed and have fun? So weird.
If you're just in it for the story then why not read a book?
Because it's not at all the same thing, any more than experiencing a story through a book vs. a movie is.
Videogames are interactive, and in particular role-playing games, you're taking on an actual role to play (crazy concept, huh?), you're not just controlling some automaton that mindlessly shoots at stuff. You have characters, that a good story will get you to care about. And their struggles are your struggles. And when a plot twist is done well in a videogame, you will personally feel like you've been betrayed, rather than just some dude you're watching on a screen has been betrayed. When you find out you were mistaken in your outlook and have been unwittingly doing what the actual villain wants all along, those were actions you took, decisions you made. It impacts you far more than just passively watching it unfold.
If you don't give a damn about games with a rich story and plot (and the fact that you think it's no different than just reading a book tells me you don't), that's your preference. Fine. But plenty of us do enjoy those games.
damn homie, im sorry youre not good at video games. you dont gotta blow up like that. you can always practice ---
Is this going to be one of those times when you pretend not to have a plan until the last moment? And then turn out to really not have one?
Western game devs have realized and capitalized on the market that most people treat games as either tous or interactive story books and this poll is evidence.
Everybody who voted too hard is literally a casual.
Or we're not talking about the same games...When we say too hard, we're not necessarily talking about our games or games we own. We're talking about which we would rather not play. When we think of too hard, we could be thinking about a games from somewhere else. Or from years ago. Or just thinking of a game in general. We're not saying our games are too hard. But that we would rather have a too easy game instead of too hard...
A game thats too easy is nothing but a time sink.
Evenif you play a game thats impossible to win, pushing yourself mentally and sometimes physically to try winning still leaves your body with objectively positive gains than the brain drain that comes from playing a simplified skinners box.
Again, preferring something easy is a casual mentality, not just in videogames but life as a whole.
Most people are casuals though. I dont know why people try hiding it aside from corrupting the groups that want to push their limits.
Me putting 5 hours into beating a story I like> Me getting killed and failing to progress for 5 hours.
How dare people be casual and not want to be stressed and have fun? So weird.
If you're just in it for the story then why not read a book?
Because it's not at all the same thing, any more than experiencing a story through a book vs. a movie is.
Videogames are interactive, and in particular role-playing games, you're taking on an actual role to play (crazy concept, huh?), you're not just controlling some automaton that mindlessly shoots at stuff. You have characters, that a good story will get you to care about. And their struggles are your struggles. And when a plot twist is done well in a videogame, you will personally feel like you've been betrayed, rather than just some dude you're watching on a screen has been betrayed. When you find out you were mistaken in your outlook and have been unwittingly doing what the actual villain wants all along, those were actions you took, decisions you made. It impacts you far more than just passively watching it unfold.
If you don't give a damn about games with a rich story and plot (and the fact that you think it's no different than just reading a book tells me you don't), that's your preference. Fine. But plenty of us do enjoy those games.
damn homie, im sorry youre not good at video games. you dont gotta blow up like that. you can always practice
Weird. I wonder where you got that from. ---
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i got that from the fact that you got CRAZY defensive and felt the need to write a fucking wall of text over it explaining to me how you are not good at video games and enjoy easy ones
like i said homie, its cool
if you wanna be good at it you just gotta practice, but that doesnt mean you NEED to be good at it ---
Is this going to be one of those times when you pretend not to have a plan until the last moment? And then turn out to really not have one?
i got that from the fact that you got CRAZY defensive and felt the need to write a fucking wall of text over it explaining to me how you are not good at video games and enjoy easy ones
like i said homie, its cool
if you wanna be good at it you just gotta practice, but that doesnt mean you NEED to be good at it
Weird. I don't recall writing a wall of text. Anyway, nobody said they wanted easy games. They want hard games. But again, as explained before, there's a difference between hard and too hard. But if you want to pretend there's no difference, I'll understand. I mean, I didn't want to say you were a troll, but if that's how you want to act... ---
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I don't tend to play games where difficulty is a major factor. In RPG's the story is the primary point, as long as they don't botch game play which is an independent issue from difficulty, it's not going to effect my impression.
Realistically speaking the only game that I cite as being too easy as a major problem is Fable 3, but that game was terrible. The worst game I've played personally and not for a singular issue.
On the other hand there are quite a few games I've dropped for being too hard. As long as I can see a light at the end of the tunnel, I'm totally fine with a challenge. Like I'm not going to complain about playing Civilization games because there are difficulties where the AI gets insane cheats. I'm just not going to play those difficulties. But when you get games like Dark Souls where literally all anyone says for the game is "It's hard it's so good!" pass. If all you can say for a game is "it's hard" I ain't gonna give it a glance.
Western game devs have realized and capitalized on the market that most people treat games as either tous or interactive story books and this poll is evidence.
Everybody who voted too hard is literally a casual.
Or we're not talking about the same games...When we say too hard, we're not necessarily talking about our games or games we own. We're talking about which we would rather not play. When we think of too hard, we could be thinking about a games from somewhere else. Or from years ago. Or just thinking of a game in general. We're not saying our games are too hard. But that we would rather have a too easy game instead of too hard...
A game thats too easy is nothing but a time sink.
Evenif you play a game thats impossible to win, pushing yourself mentally and sometimes physically to try winning still leaves your body with objectively positive gains than the brain drain that comes from playing a simplified skinners box.
Again, preferring something easy is a casual mentality, not just in videogames but life as a whole.
Most people are casuals though. I dont know why people try hiding it aside from corrupting the groups that want to push their limits.
Anything video game related is a time sink. And the poll is not about easy or hard in general, it's about too easy and too hard which is an important distinction. I can deal with games like Mega Man 1, Zelda 2, the Souls series, etc. which are generally considered challenging. But stuff like Kaizo Mario is just made to frustrate players and I'd rather not devote so much time to beating it.
If you can improve some sort of skill or ability while doing something then its not a time sink.
Even improving hand-eye coordination, but then again you guys think theowing balls is a pointless activity.
There are plenty of crappy games that do nothing but sap your energy and try your patience.
Not all games are made alike, and im not just speaking about quality or content, but user purpose while operating the game. ---
Western game devs have realized and capitalized on the market that most people treat games as either tous or interactive story books and this poll is evidence.
Everybody who voted too hard is literally a casual.
Or we're not talking about the same games...When we say too hard, we're not necessarily talking about our games or games we own. We're talking about which we would rather not play. When we think of too hard, we could be thinking about a games from somewhere else. Or from years ago. Or just thinking of a game in general. We're not saying our games are too hard. But that we would rather have a too easy game instead of too hard...
A game thats too easy is nothing but a time sink.
Evenif you play a game thats impossible to win, pushing yourself mentally and sometimes physically to try winning still leaves your body with objectively positive gains than the brain drain that comes from playing a simplified skinners box.
Again, preferring something easy is a casual mentality, not just in videogames but life as a whole.
Most people are casuals though. I dont know why people try hiding it aside from corrupting the groups that want to push their limits.
Anything video game related is a time sink. And the poll is not about easy or hard in general, it's about too easy and too hard which is an important distinction. I can deal with games like Mega Man 1, Zelda 2, the Souls series, etc. which are generally considered challenging. But stuff like Kaizo Mario is just made to frustrate players and I'd rather not devote so much time to beating it.
If you can improve some sort of skill or ability while doing something then its not a time sink.
Even improving hand-eye coordination, but then again you guys think theowing balls is a pointless activity.
There are plenty of crappy games that do nothing but sap your energy and try your patience.
Not all games are made alike, and im not just speaking about quality or content, but user purpose while operating the game.
There are some very pointless games out there... ---
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But when you get games like Dark Souls where literally all anyone says for the game is "It's hard it's so good!" pass. If all you can say for a game is "it's hard" I ain't gonna give it a glance.
There's definitely a lot more to Demon's and Dark Souls than just difficulty.
Dark Souls does have some cheap moments, though. ---
Some games are amazing because of how hard they are, it creates challenge. I understand people saying that if it is too hard then they can't enjoy it...but for me it's the opposite! I am a stubborn person who sees things as a personal challenge, and nothing comes close to the satisfaction of conquering something after really working hard at it. You beat your game before me because it wasn't as hard, well congratulations, but I'm happy as hell just from my one accomplishment, possibly happier than you -- and I still have more to do. When it comes down to it, it is just a personal preference, and this was mine. ---
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Some games are amazing because of how hard they are, it creates challenge. I understand people saying that if it is too hard then they can't enjoy it...but for me it's the opposite! I am a stubborn person who sees things as a personal challenge, and nothing comes close to the satisfaction of conquering something after really working hard at it. You beat your game before me because it wasn't as hard, well congratulations, but I'm happy as hell just from my one accomplishment, possibly happier than you -- and I still have more to do. When it comes down to it, it is just a personal preference, and this was mine.
My guy, too hard as in its like battletoads x2.
As stated like a billion times before: games being hard is fine, if its TOO hard you wont even be able to enjoy it. ---
Some games are amazing because of how hard they are, it creates challenge. I understand people saying that if it is too hard then they can't enjoy it...but for me it's the opposite! I am a stubborn person who sees things as a personal challenge, and nothing comes close to the satisfaction of conquering something after really working hard at it. You beat your game before me because it wasn't as hard, well congratulations, but I'm happy as hell just from my one accomplishment, possibly happier than you -- and I still have more to do. When it comes down to it, it is just a personal preference, and this was mine.
My guy, too hard as in its like battletoads x2.
As stated like a billion times before: games being hard is fine, if its TOO hard you wont even be able to enjoy it.
If you can play a game by just pressing a button once, are you even playing it? That would be the easiest game.
I think people are using bias to think of a game they enjoy that people say is too easy vs a game they dont enjoy which have reputations for being too hard.
This was not the wording of the poll.
If a game is too easy it defeats the purpose if its existence. A game can never bee too hard, as even an unwinable game can still be played.
People who said too hard are not only casuals, but lack desire of self-improvement or thirst for knowledge.
Anybody who lacks desire of self improvement is a waste of flesh as they are static beings like NPCs just enjoying their existence consuming things and waiting to get outmaneuvered and replaced in life. ---
Tough to say, but overall games that are too hard can dull the experience over time. For example - Fzero GX. Love the game, but I've poured hours into that game trying to unlock all the racers in AX or Diamond cup I can't remember and then Hard mode story mode chapters. It was just so hard it just wasn't even fun anymore outside multiplayer. Then there are games like SOTN, I find it too easy and others do too even those who do backdash, unarmed and under 1 hour speedruns but is still regarded as a great game. ---
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Some games are amazing because of how hard they are, it creates challenge. I understand people saying that if it is too hard then they can't enjoy it...but for me it's the opposite! I am a stubborn person who sees things as a personal challenge, and nothing comes close to the satisfaction of conquering something after really working hard at it. You beat your game before me because it wasn't as hard, well congratulations, but I'm happy as hell just from my one accomplishment, possibly happier than you -- and I still have more to do. When it comes down to it, it is just a personal preference, and this was mine.
My guy, too hard as in its like battletoads x2.
As stated like a billion times before: games being hard is fine, if its TOO hard you wont even be able to enjoy it.
If you can play a game by just pressing a button once, are you even playing it? That would be the easiest game.
I think people are using bias to think of a game they enjoy that people say is too easy vs a game they dont enjoy which have reputations for being too hard.
This was not the wording of the poll.
If a game is too easy it defeats the purpose if its existence. A game can never bee too hard, as even an unwinable game can still be played.
People who said too hard are not only casuals, but lack desire of self-improvement or thirst for knowledge.
Anybody who lacks desire of self improvement is a waste of flesh as they are static beings like NPCs just enjoying their existence consuming things and waiting to get outmaneuvered and replaced in life.
Sure. You can have that opinion of you want. As I said before, too hard and hard are different. I play games that are hard all the time and have fun. Too hard is different, though. To me, it's not too hard because you have to get good. It's to hard because it requires getting lucky with RNG or something else you can't control. Or has a flaw(like a spelling mishap...) or something like that. Something that's not easily fixed with a "git gud"... ---
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Some games are amazing because of how hard they are, it creates challenge. I understand people saying that if it is too hard then they can't enjoy it...but for me it's the opposite! I am a stubborn person who sees things as a personal challenge, and nothing comes close to the satisfaction of conquering something after really working hard at it. You beat your game before me because it wasn't as hard, well congratulations, but I'm happy as hell just from my one accomplishment, possibly happier than you -- and I still have more to do. When it comes down to it, it is just a personal preference, and this was mine.
My guy, too hard as in its like battletoads x2.
As stated like a billion times before: games being hard is fine, if its TOO hard you wont even be able to enjoy it.
If you can play a game by just pressing a button once, are you even playing it? That would be the easiest game.
I think people are using bias to think of a game they enjoy that people say is too easy vs a game they dont enjoy which have reputations for being too hard.
This was not the wording of the poll.
If a game is too easy it defeats the purpose if its existence. A game can never bee too hard, as even an unwinable game can still be played.
People who said too hard are not only casuals, but lack desire of self-improvement or thirst for knowledge.
Anybody who lacks desire of self improvement is a waste of flesh as they are static beings like NPCs just enjoying their existence consuming things and waiting to get outmaneuvered and replaced in life.
Sure. You can have that opinion of you want. As I said before, too hard and hard are different. I play games that are hard all the time and have fun. Too hard is different, though. To me, it's not too hard because you have to get good. It's to hard because it requires getting lucky with RNG or something else you can't control. Or has a flaw(like a spelling mishap...) or something like that. Something that's not easily fixed with a "git gud"...
RNG?
What?
Who is playing the slots thinking its hard to win the jackpot? Is it hard to throw the handle? Thats all you do in slots. If you think RNG makes a game harder its all in your head. Nobody controls RNG in a game, you can only judge a games difficulty based on the required imputs of the user.
It might take time to acchieve a goal in a game where RNG is required to complete a task, but that doesnt mean its hard to do.
I voted too easy, because to me, too easy is insulting. Constant flashing fingers on the screen. NPCs outright telling you where to go and how to get there. Enemy weak points that are plainly obvious from the outset of the battle. Puzzle solutions that are discolored or glowing. A game doesn't have to be face-meltingly hard, but I would prefer that over being coddled. ---
I voted too easy, because to me, too easy is insulting. Constant flashing fingers on the screen. NPCs outright telling you where to go and how to get there. Enemy weak points that are plainly obvious from the outset of the battle. Puzzle solutions that are discolored or glowing. A game doesn't have to be face-meltingly hard, but I would prefer that over being coddled.
Amen ---
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Some games are amazing because of how hard they are, it creates challenge. I understand people saying that if it is too hard then they can't enjoy it...but for me it's the opposite! I am a stubborn person who sees things as a personal challenge, and nothing comes close to the satisfaction of conquering something after really working hard at it. You beat your game before me because it wasn't as hard, well congratulations, but I'm happy as hell just from my one accomplishment, possibly happier than you -- and I still have more to do. When it comes down to it, it is just a personal preference, and this was mine.
My guy, too hard as in its like battletoads x2.
As stated like a billion times before: games being hard is fine, if its TOO hard you wont even be able to enjoy it.
If you can play a game by just pressing a button once, are you even playing it? That would be the easiest game.
I think people are using bias to think of a game they enjoy that people say is too easy vs a game they dont enjoy which have reputations for being too hard.
This was not the wording of the poll.
If a game is too easy it defeats the purpose if its existence. A game can never bee too hard, as even an unwinable game can still be played.
People who said too hard are not only casuals, but lack desire of self-improvement or thirst for knowledge.
Anybody who lacks desire of self improvement is a waste of flesh as they are static beings like NPCs just enjoying their existence consuming things and waiting to get outmaneuvered and replaced in life.
Sure. You can have that opinion of you want. As I said before, too hard and hard are different. I play games that are hard all the time and have fun. Too hard is different, though. To me, it's not too hard because you have to get good. It's to hard because it requires getting lucky with RNG or something else you can't control. Or has a flaw(like a spelling mishap...) or something like that. Something that's not easily fixed with a "git gud"...
RNG?
What?
Who is playing the slots thinking its hard to win the jackpot? Is it hard to throw the handle? Thats all you do in slots. If you think RNG makes a game harder its all in your head. Nobody controls RNG in a game, you can only judge a games difficulty based on the required imputs of the user.
It might take time to acchieve a goal in a game where RNG is required to complete a task, but that doesnt mean its hard to do.
Is logic not taught in schools anymore?
RNG is only one example. Also, I would rather rely on my own skill to beat a game rather than luck. Vesides, RNG is a cheap way o add artificial "toughness" to a game. Probably worse than toonhard since you can't control it. Either way, as I said earlier, when I think of too hard, I'm not thinking of games where you just need practice to "git gud"... ---
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Some games are amazing because of how hard they are, it creates challenge. I understand people saying that if it is too hard then they can't enjoy it...but for me it's the opposite! I am a stubborn person who sees things as a personal challenge, and nothing comes close to the satisfaction of conquering something after really working hard at it. You beat your game before me because it wasn't as hard, well congratulations, but I'm happy as hell just from my one accomplishment, possibly happier than you -- and I still have more to do. When it comes down to it, it is just a personal preference, and this was mine.
My guy, too hard as in its like battletoads x2.
As stated like a billion times before: games being hard is fine, if its TOO hard you wont even be able to enjoy it.
If you can play a game by just pressing a button once, are you even playing it? That would be the easiest game.
I think people are using bias to think of a game they enjoy that people say is too easy vs a game they dont enjoy which have reputations for being too hard.
This was not the wording of the poll.
If a game is too easy it defeats the purpose if its existence. A game can never bee too hard, as even an unwinable game can still be played.
People who said too hard are not only casuals, but lack desire of self-improvement or thirst for knowledge.
Anybody who lacks desire of self improvement is a waste of flesh as they are static beings like NPCs just enjoying their existence consuming things and waiting to get outmaneuvered and replaced in life.
Thats like saying a book was too easy so you should just watch the movie instead.
Games arent only about gameplay anymore, that era is long past.
Also a game you can't beat because it was made that way is not the same as a game that is unwinable.
Too easy feels like an obligation, at least with too hard I can say "I just don't have the skill to play this" and move on. Too easy is more a matter of "alright, lets just get this over with so I can move on to something else". ---
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