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antfair 04/05/18 9:56:52 AM #1:	https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/noor-salman-pulse-massacre-wrong_us_5ac29ebae4b04646b6454dc2 Every mass tragedy begets a frantic search for answers, for a common understanding of what happened, for a narrative, and the 2016 Pulse massacre was no different. Not long after Omar Mateen opened fire inside a bustling gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, the media scrambled to understand his depraved actions. Almost overnight, a narrative emerged that until now has been impossible to dislodge: Mateen planned and executed an attack on Pulse because he hated gay people. Lets say it plainly: This was a mass slaying aimed at LGBT people, Tim Teeman wrote in The Daily Beast. The massacre was undeniably a homophobic hate crime, Jeet Heer wrote in The New Republic. Some speculated that Mateen was a closeted gay man. He was likely trying to reconcile his inner feelings with his strongly homophobic Muslim culture, James S. Robbins wrote in USA Today. There was compelling evidence of other motivations. Mateen had pledged allegiance to the self-described Islamic State during the shooting, and explicitly said that he was acting to avenge air strikes in the Middle East. You have to tell America to stop bombing Syria and Iraq. They are killing a lot of innocent people, he told a crisis negotiator over the phone while at Pulse. What am I to do here when my people are getting killed over there. You get what Im saying? But this was a tricky thing to get a handle on 49 dead and another 53 wounded, so many of them members of a historically marginalized and persecuted group. How could they not have been targeted? To say that the attack was not rooted in homophobia, one commenter wrote in USA Today, was to erase the LGBT community causing only more pain by invalidating their experiences. Over the past two weeks in Orlando, Mateens widow, Noor Salman, was tried for having allegedly helped him plan his attack. The popular understanding of the Pulse shooting as a carefully targeted massacre was on trial as well. And in acquitting Salman, 31, on Friday, a jury also delivered a verdict on the story wed told ourselves about the killings: Wed gotten it wrong. ... Salmans trial cast doubt on everything we thought we knew about Mateen. There was no evidence he was a closeted gay man, no evidence that he was ever on Grindr. He looked at porn involving older women, but investigators who scoured Mateens electronic devices couldnt find any internet history related to homosexuality. (There were daily, obsessive searches about ISIS, however.) Mateen had extramarital affairs with women, two of whom testified during the trial about his duplicitous ways. Mateen may very well have been homophobic. He supported ISIS, after all, and his father, an FBI informant currently under criminal investigation, told NBC that his son once got angry after seeing two men kissing. But whatever his personal feelings, the overwhelming evidence suggests his attack was not motivated by it. As far as investigators could tell, Mateen had never been to Pulse before, whether as a patron or to case the nightclub. Even prosecutors acknowledged in their closing statement that Pulse was not his original target; it was the Disney Springs shopping and entertainment complex. They presented evidence demonstrating that Mateen chose Pulse randomly less than an hour before the attack. It is not clear he even knew it was a gay bar. A security guard recalled Mateen asking where all the women were, apparently in earnest, in the minutes before he began his slaughter. --- What is this, a fair for ants? <cite>antfair posted [p:899095772] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote>https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/noor-salman-pulse-massacre-wrong_us_5ac29ebae4b04646b6454dc2 <quote>Every mass tragedy begets a frantic search for answers, for a common understanding of what happened, for a narrative, and the 2016 Pulse massacre was no different. Not long after Omar Mateen opened fire inside a bustling gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, the media scrambled to understand his depraved actions. Almost overnight, a narrative emerged that until now has been impossible to dislodge: Mateen planned and executed an attack on Pulse because he hated gay people. Lets say it plainly: This was a mass slaying aimed at LGBT people, Tim Teeman wrote in The Daily Beast. The massacre was undeniably a homophobic hate crime, Jeet Heer wrote in The New Republic. Some speculated that Mateen was a closeted gay man. He was likely trying to reconcile his inner feelings with his strongly homophobic Muslim culture, James S. Robbins wrote in USA Today. There was compelling evidence of other motivations. Mateen had pledged allegiance to the self-described Islamic State during the shooting, and explicitly said that he was acting to avenge air strikes in the Middle East. You have to tell America to stop bombing Syria and Iraq. They are killing a lot of innocent people, he told a crisis negotiator over the phone while at Pulse. What am I to do here when my people are getting killed over there. You get what Im saying? But this was a tricky thing to get a handle on 49 dead and another 53 wounded, so many of them members of a historically marginalized and persecuted group. How could they not have been targeted? To say that the attack was not rooted in homophobia, one commenter wrote in USA Today, was to erase the LGBT community causing only more pain by invalidating their experiences. Over the past two weeks in Orlando, Mateens widow, Noor Salman, was tried for having allegedly helped him plan his attack. The popular understanding of the Pulse shooting as a carefully targeted massacre was on trial as well. And in acquitting Salman, 31, on Friday, a jury also delivered a verdict on the story wed told ourselves about the killings: Wed gotten it wrong. ... Salmans trial cast doubt on everything we thought we knew about Mateen. There was no evidence he was a closeted gay man, no evidence that he was ever on Grindr. He looked at porn involving older women, but investigators who scoured Mateens electronic devices couldnt find any internet history related to homosexuality. (There were daily, obsessive searches about ISIS, however.) Mateen had extramarital affairs with women, two of whom testified during the trial about his duplicitous ways. Mateen may very well have been homophobic. He supported ISIS, after all, and his father, an FBI informant currently under criminal investigation, told NBC that his son once got angry after seeing two men kissing. But whatever his personal feelings, the overwhelming evidence suggests his attack was not motivated by it. As far as investigators could tell, Mateen had never been to Pulse before, whether as a patron or to case the nightclub. Even prosecutors acknowledged in their closing statement that Pulse was not his original target; it was the Disney Springs shopping and entertainment complex. They presented evidence demonstrating that Mateen chose Pulse randomly less than an hour before the attack. It is not clear he even knew it was a gay bar. A security guard recalled Mateen asking where all the women were, apparently in earnest, in the minutes before he began his slaughter.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsVinceRusso 04/05/18 9:58:19 AM #2:	or maybe it was because he was a murderous psychopath and murderous psychopaths tend to kill people --- bro <cite>ItsVinceRusso posted [p:899095821] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote>or maybe it was because he was a murderous psychopath and murderous psychopaths tend to kill people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Renault 04/05/18 9:58:54 AM #3:	antfair posted... Mateen may very well have been homophobic. He supported ISIS, after all, and his father, an FBI informant currently under criminal investigation, told NBC that his son once got angry after seeing two men kissing. But whatever his personal feelings, the overwhelming evidence suggests his attack was not motivated by it. --- whats cat up to <cite>Renault posted [p:899095845] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>antfair posted...</cite> <quote>Mateen may very well have been homophobic. He supported ISIS, after all, and his father, an FBI informant currently under criminal investigation, told NBC that his son once got angry after seeing two men kissing. But whatever his personal feelings, the overwhelming evidence suggests his attack was not motivated by it.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 04/05/18 10:06:05 AM #4:	He scouted other places that were not gay clubs. Did they find that he was connected to any extremist groups? I remember at the time people saying he was not actually a member of ISIS --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:899096130] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote>He scouted other places that were not gay clubs. Did they find that he was connected to any extremist groups? I remember at the time people saying he was not actually a member of ISIS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 04/05/18 10:07:31 AM #5:	'Almost every mass shooting by brown people is tied to terrorists, but it's racist to point it out!' Seriously, the only people who didn't know are the people who call everyone racist. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:899096194] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote>'Almost every mass shooting by brown people is tied to terrorists, but it's racist to point it out!' Seriously, the only people who didn't know are the people who call everyone racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 04/05/18 10:09:07 AM #6:	Are people STILL really pushing the "he was a self hating gay" narrative that's about as legit as the "crisis actor" narrative from the Florida school shooting? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:899096274] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote>Are people STILL really pushing the "he was a self hating gay" narrative that's about as legit as the "crisis actor" narrative from the Florida school shooting?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/05/18 10:11:51 AM #7:	s0nicfan posted... Are people STILL really pushing the "he was a self hating gay" narrative that's about as legit as the "crisis actor" narrative from the Florida school shooting? That's exactly what this article is aimed at dispelling. There's no reason to believe Mateen was self-hating or that he targeted Pulse because it was a gay club --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:899096375] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Are people STILL really pushing the "he was a self hating gay" narrative that's about as legit as the "crisis actor" narrative from the Florida school shooting?</quote> That's exactly what this article is aimed at dispelling. There's no reason to believe Mateen was self-hating or that he targeted Pulse because it was a gay club</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 04/05/18 10:12:43 AM #8:	Antifar posted... s0nicfan posted... Are people STILL really pushing the "he was a self hating gay" narrative that's about as legit as the "crisis actor" narrative from the Florida school shooting? That's exactly what this article is aimed at dispelling. There's no reason to believe Mateen was self-hating or that he targeted Pulse because it was a gay club Oh I know that's what the article is dispelling. I'm just shocked it NEEDS dispelling after all this time. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:899096406] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Are people STILL really pushing the "he was a self hating gay" narrative that's about as legit as the "crisis actor" narrative from the Florida school shooting?</quote> That's exactly what this article is aimed at dispelling. There's no reason to believe Mateen was self-hating or that he targeted Pulse because it was a gay club</quote> Oh I know that's what the article is dispelling. I'm just shocked it NEEDS dispelling after all this time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 04/05/18 10:19:20 AM #9:	s0nicfan posted... Antifar posted... s0nicfan posted... Are people STILL really pushing the "he was a self hating gay" narrative that's about as legit as the "crisis actor" narrative from the Florida school shooting? That's exactly what this article is aimed at dispelling. There's no reason to believe Mateen was self-hating or that he targeted Pulse because it was a gay club Oh I know that's what the article is dispelling. I'm just shocked it NEEDS dispelling after all this time. No one was pushing it. Eye witness accounts said that at the time so people ran with it. Those accounts were verified and disproven. That happens with stories <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:899096725] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Are people STILL really pushing the "he was a self hating gay" narrative that's about as legit as the "crisis actor" narrative from the Florida school shooting?</quote> That's exactly what this article is aimed at dispelling. There's no reason to believe Mateen was self-hating or that he targeted Pulse because it was a gay club</quote> Oh I know that's what the article is dispelling. I'm just shocked it NEEDS dispelling after all this time.</quote> No one was pushing it. Eye witness accounts said that at the time so people ran with it. Those accounts were verified and disproven. That happens with stories</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 04/05/18 10:41:00 AM #10:	CruelBuffalo posted... No one was pushing it. Eye witness accounts said that at the time so people ran with it. Those accounts were verified and disproven. That happens with stories indeed, but the presence of a piece of evidence that confirms a pre-existing assumption people have is all they need to cling to a conclusion. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:899097608] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>No one was pushing it. Eye witness accounts said that at the time so people ran with it. Those accounts were verified and disproven. That happens with stories </quote> indeed, but the presence of a piece of evidence that confirms a pre-existing assumption people have is all they need to cling to a conclusion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 04/05/18 12:57:16 PM #11:	Darkman124 posted... CruelBuffalo posted... No one was pushing it. Eye witness accounts said that at the time so people ran with it. Those accounts were verified and disproven. That happens with stories indeed, but the presence of a piece of evidence that confirms a pre-existing assumption people have is all they need to cling to a conclusion. Or they dont obsess over the story heard it once and didnt look back? <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:899104374] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>No one was pushing it. Eye witness accounts said that at the time so people ran with it. Those accounts were verified and disproven. That happens with stories </quote> indeed, but the presence of a piece of evidence that confirms a pre-existing assumption people have is all they need to cling to a conclusion.</quote> Or they dont obsess over the story heard it once and didnt look back?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiggetySplicer 04/07/18 6:29:27 AM #12:	Sad <cite>GiggetySplicer posted [p:899208234] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote>Sad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 04/07/18 9:11:28 AM #13:	CruelBuffalo posted... Darkman124 posted... CruelBuffalo posted... No one was pushing it. Eye witness accounts said that at the time so people ran with it. Those accounts were verified and disproven. That happens with stories indeed, but the presence of a piece of evidence that confirms a pre-existing assumption people have is all they need to cling to a conclusion. Or they dont obsess over the story heard it once and didnt look back? Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:899211409] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>No one was pushing it. Eye witness accounts said that at the time so people ran with it. Those accounts were verified and disproven. That happens with stories </quote> indeed, but the presence of a piece of evidence that confirms a pre-existing assumption people have is all they need to cling to a conclusion.</quote> Or they dont obsess over the story heard it once and didnt look back?</quote> Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 04/07/18 9:16:56 AM #14:	darkjedilink posted... Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists? Perhaps it was because he "pledged loyalty" to a bunch of different terrorist groups that oppose another and people were obsessed with claiming he was a member of these groups when there's zero evidence of such? --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:899211552] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists?</quote> Perhaps it was because he "pledged loyalty" to a bunch of different terrorist groups that oppose another and people were obsessed with claiming he was a member of these groups when there's zero evidence of such?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roxborough4Ever 04/07/18 9:31:34 AM #15:	The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists? Perhaps it was because he "pledged loyalty" to a bunch of different terrorist groups that oppose another and people were obsessed with claiming he was a member of these groups when there's zero evidence of such? stop, you are trying to blame Islam --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:899211954] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists?</quote> Perhaps it was because he "pledged loyalty" to a bunch of different terrorist groups that oppose another and people were obsessed with claiming he was a member of these groups when there's zero evidence of such?</quote> stop, you are trying to blame Islam</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eat More Beef 04/07/18 9:59:03 AM #17:	darkjedilink posted... CruelBuffalo posted... Darkman124 posted... CruelBuffalo posted... No one was pushing it. Eye witness accounts said that at the time so people ran with it. Those accounts were verified and disproven. That happens with stories indeed, but the presence of a piece of evidence that confirms a pre-existing assumption people have is all they need to cling to a conclusion. Or they dont obsess over the story heard it once and didnt look back? Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists? How about we not get hung up on what the dude's skin color was. --- I wrote a horror short story collection. You can check it out, and other free short stories at http://www.aarondeck.com <cite>Eat More Beef posted [p:899212770] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>No one was pushing it. Eye witness accounts said that at the time so people ran with it. Those accounts were verified and disproven. That happens with stories </quote> indeed, but the presence of a piece of evidence that confirms a pre-existing assumption people have is all they need to cling to a conclusion.</quote> Or they dont obsess over the story heard it once and didnt look back?</quote> Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists?</quote> How about we not get hung up on what the dude's skin color was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/07/18 10:01:07 AM #18:	antfair posted... It is not clear he even knew it was a gay bar. A security guard recalled Mateen asking where all the women were, apparently in earnest, in the minutes before he began his slaughter. This part here sounds sketchy. There were women at pulse. There were women who died at pulse. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:899212819] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>antfair posted...</cite> <quote>It is not clear he even knew it was a gay bar. A security guard recalled Mateen asking where all the women were, apparently in earnest, in the minutes before he began his slaughter.</quote> This part here sounds sketchy. There were women at pulse. There were women who died at pulse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 04/09/18 1:41:29 AM #20:	well yeah a shitload of misinformation gets spread the first few days then no one talks about it or bothers to correct it after the first week or two --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:899321187] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote>well yeah a shitload of misinformation gets spread the first few days then no one talks about it or bothers to correct it after the first week or two</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/09/18 1:44:19 AM #21:	No one with half a brain ever believed the closeted gay narrative. That was just some crap being pushed by the folks on the left who didnt want to admit that radical Islam was responsible for the largest mass shooting in US history. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899321286] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote>No one with half a brain ever believed the closeted gay narrative. That was just some crap being pushed by the folks on the left who didnt want to admit that radical Islam was responsible for the largest mass shooting in US history.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 04/09/18 2:17:32 AM #22:	eston posted... He scouted other places that were not gay clubs. Did they find that he was connected to any extremist groups? I remember at the time people saying he was not actually a member of ISIS Here is the thing with ISIS. You don't have to be a formal member with combat training. They actively encourage Muslims across the world to radicalized and commit acts of violence against civilians whenever they have an opportunity. That's why some in Europe plow trucks through crowded streets. All it seems to take to bparte of ISIS is to be a Muslim who commits violence in their name against the West (or Jews). They don't seem to be that picky. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:899322377] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>He scouted other places that were not gay clubs. Did they find that he was connected to any extremist groups? I remember at the time people saying he was not actually a member of ISIS</quote> Here is the thing with ISIS. You don't have to be a formal member with combat training. They actively encourage Muslims across the world to radicalized and commit acts of violence against civilians whenever they have an opportunity. That's why some in Europe plow trucks through crowded streets. All it seems to take to bparte of ISIS is to be a Muslim who commits violence in their name against the West (or Jews). They don't seem to be that picky.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/09/18 10:43:43 AM #23:	Esrac posted... eston posted... He scouted other places that were not gay clubs. Did they find that he was connected to any extremist groups? I remember at the time people saying he was not actually a member of ISIS Here is the thing with ISIS. You don't have to be a formal member with combat training. They actively encourage Muslims across the world to radicalized and commit acts of violence against civilians whenever they have an opportunity. That's why some in Europe plow trucks through crowded streets. All it seems to take to bparte of ISIS is to be a Muslim who commits violence in their name against the West (or Jews). They don't seem to be that picky. Pretty much. ISIS is the terrorist equivalent of University of Phoenix Online. You can get radicalized and become a full-fledged terrorist from the comfort of your own home! --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899334443] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>He scouted other places that were not gay clubs. Did they find that he was connected to any extremist groups? I remember at the time people saying he was not actually a member of ISIS</quote> Here is the thing with ISIS. You don't have to be a formal member with combat training. They actively encourage Muslims across the world to radicalized and commit acts of violence against civilians whenever they have an opportunity. That's why some in Europe plow trucks through crowded streets. All it seems to take to bparte of ISIS is to be a Muslim who commits violence in their name against the West (or Jews). They don't seem to be that picky.</quote> Pretty much. ISIS is the terrorist equivalent of University of Phoenix Online. You can get radicalized and become a full-fledged terrorist from the comfort of your own home!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiggetySplicer 04/11/18 6:30:41 AM #24:	Renault posted... antfair posted... Mateen may very well have been homophobic. He supported ISIS, after all, and his father, an FBI informant currently under criminal investigation, told NBC that his son once got angry after seeing two men kissing. But whatever his personal feelings, the overwhelming evidence suggests his attack was not motivated by it. <cite>GiggetySplicer posted [p:899454318] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Renault posted...</cite> <quote><cite>antfair posted...</cite> <quote>Mateen may very well have been homophobic. He supported ISIS, after all, and his father, an FBI informant currently under criminal investigation, told NBC that his son once got angry after seeing two men kissing. But whatever his personal feelings, the overwhelming evidence suggests his attack was not motivated by it.</quote> </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FratMilkyHolme 04/13/18 6:10:20 AM #25:	huffingtonpost <cite>FratMilkyHolme posted [p:899575728] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote>huffingtonpost</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StanZarnack 04/14/18 7:04:29 AM #26:	Roxborough4Ever posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists? Perhaps it was because he "pledged loyalty" to a bunch of different terrorist groups that oppose another and people were obsessed with claiming he was a member of these groups when there's zero evidence of such? stop, you are trying to blame Islam Sarcastic Islamophobia is still Islamophobia and very ignorant. --- Common sense is not so common. <cite>StanZarnack posted [p:899634056] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Roxborough4Ever posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists?</quote> Perhaps it was because he "pledged loyalty" to a bunch of different terrorist groups that oppose another and people were obsessed with claiming he was a member of these groups when there's zero evidence of such?</quote> stop, you are trying to blame Islam</quote> Sarcastic Islamophobia is still Islamophobia and very ignorant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 04/14/18 7:10:55 AM #27:	So we had it right? There was never any doubt that he was inspired by ISIS and did this shooting because of his beliefs. The closeted gay man rumor was just an extra wrinkle that made the situation more complex. It just wasn't true. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:899634167] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote>So we had it right? There was never any doubt that he was inspired by ISIS and did this shooting because of his beliefs. The closeted gay man rumor was just an extra wrinkle that made the situation more complex. It just wasn't true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 04/14/18 7:12:47 AM #28:	The Admiral posted... Esrac posted... eston posted... He scouted other places that were not gay clubs. Did they find that he was connected to any extremist groups? I remember at the time people saying he was not actually a member of ISIS Here is the thing with ISIS. You don't have to be a formal member with combat training. They actively encourage Muslims across the world to radicalized and commit acts of violence against civilians whenever they have an opportunity. That's why some in Europe plow trucks through crowded streets. All it seems to take to bparte of ISIS is to be a Muslim who commits violence in their name against the West (or Jews). They don't seem to be that picky. Pretty much. ISIS is the terrorist equivalent of University of Phoenix Online. You can get radicalized and become a full-fledged terrorist from the comfort of your own home! And they can deny any involvement lose lose. Ps I'm agreeing with you. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:899634192] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>He scouted other places that were not gay clubs. Did they find that he was connected to any extremist groups? I remember at the time people saying he was not actually a member of ISIS</quote> Here is the thing with ISIS. You don't have to be a formal member with combat training. They actively encourage Muslims across the world to radicalized and commit acts of violence against civilians whenever they have an opportunity. That's why some in Europe plow trucks through crowded streets. All it seems to take to bparte of ISIS is to be a Muslim who commits violence in their name against the West (or Jews). They don't seem to be that picky.</quote> Pretty much. ISIS is the terrorist equivalent of University of Phoenix Online. You can get radicalized and become a full-fledged terrorist from the comfort of your own home!</quote> And they can deny any involvement lose lose. Ps I'm agreeing with you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StanZarnack 04/14/18 10:20:14 AM #29:	creativerealms posted... So we had it right? There was never any doubt that he was inspired by ISIS and did this shooting because of his beliefs. The closeted gay man rumor was just an extra wrinkle that made the situation more complex. It just wasn't true. It was just conservatives wanting to hate on another minority, if they can blame the gays as well (despite it involving them) then so be it. Shameless. --- Common sense is not so common. <cite>StanZarnack posted [p:899638127] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>So we had it right? There was never any doubt that he was inspired by ISIS and did this shooting because of his beliefs. The closeted gay man rumor was just an extra wrinkle that made the situation more complex. It just wasn't true.</quote> It was just conservatives wanting to hate on another minority, if they can blame the gays as well (despite it involving them) then so be it. Shameless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 04/14/18 12:54:45 PM #30:	The Admiral posted... No one with half a brain ever believed the closeted gay narrative. That was just some crap being pushed by the folks on the left who didnt want to admit that radical Islam was responsible for the largest mass shooting in US history. Why couldn't it have been both? No one with half a brain thought that the shooter wasn't a radicalized Muslim inspired by ISIS. I mean we know the truth here and nothing will change that but really you think the left would throw gays under the bus to protect muslims? I know you have a low opinion of the left but that seems messed up even from you. What gave you the impression that the left cards about Muslims more then LGBT people? --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:899644225] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>No one with half a brain ever believed the closeted gay narrative. That was just some crap being pushed by the folks on the left who didnt want to admit that radical Islam was responsible for the largest mass shooting in US history.</quote> Why couldn't it have been both? No one with half a brain thought that the shooter wasn't a radicalized Muslim inspired by ISIS. I mean we know the truth here and nothing will change that but really you think the left would throw gays under the bus to protect muslims? I know you have a low opinion of the left but that seems messed up even from you. What gave you the impression that the left cards about Muslims more then LGBT people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 04/14/18 1:03:11 PM #31:	And yet people shared stories like this in droves after the shooting first happened. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/toxic-masculinity-was-just-as-much-to-blame-for-the-orlando-shootings-as-radical-islam-a7083071.html --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:899644594] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote>And yet people shared stories like this in droves after the shooting first happened. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/toxic-masculinity-was-just-as-much-to-blame-for-the-orlando-shootings-as-radical-islam-a7083071.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkdamental 04/14/18 1:03:20 PM #32:	The Admiral posted... No one with half a brain ever believed the closeted gay narrative. That was just some crap being pushed by the folks on the left who didnt want to admit that radical Islam was responsible for the largest mass shooting in US history. There are quite a few people on the left who are very uncomfortable with the "self-hating gay" angle because it seems a lot like victim-blaming. --- texty bastard <cite>Funkdamental posted [p:899644603] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>No one with half a brain ever believed the closeted gay narrative. That was just some crap being pushed by the folks on the left who didnt want to admit that radical Islam was responsible for the largest mass shooting in US history.</quote> There are quite a few people on the left who are very uncomfortable with the "self-hating gay" angle because it seems a lot like victim-blaming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 04/15/18 11:27:26 PM #35:	Roxborough4Ever posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists? Perhaps it was because he "pledged loyalty" to a bunch of different terrorist groups that oppose another and people were obsessed with claiming he was a member of these groups when there's zero evidence of such? stop, you are trying to blame Islam did you quote the right person here --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:899728622] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Roxborough4Ever posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists?</quote> Perhaps it was because he "pledged loyalty" to a bunch of different terrorist groups that oppose another and people were obsessed with claiming he was a member of these groups when there's zero evidence of such?</quote> stop, you are trying to blame Islam</quote> did you quote the right person here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joestarrr 04/15/18 11:35:39 PM #36:	ItsVinceRusso posted... or maybe it was because he was a murderous psychopath and murderous psychopaths tend to kill people --- https://joestarrr.sarahah.com/ <cite>joestarrr posted [p:899729015] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>ItsVinceRusso posted...</cite> <quote>or maybe it was because he was a murderous psychopath and murderous psychopaths tend to kill people</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FratMilkyHolme 04/18/18 6:12:07 AM #37:	StanZarnack posted... Roxborough4Ever posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists? Perhaps it was because he "pledged loyalty" to a bunch of different terrorist groups that oppose another and people were obsessed with claiming he was a member of these groups when there's zero evidence of such? stop, you are trying to blame Islam Sarcastic Islamophobia is still Islamophobia and very ignorant. This is rox's habit <cite>FratMilkyHolme posted [p:899863046] in "Ever... [t:76487079]...</cite> <quote><cite>StanZarnack posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Roxborough4Ever posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> Not in this case - between this, Fort Hood, and San Bernardino, we shouldn't still be hearing 'why do mass shooters that are brown called terrorists?</quote> Perhaps it was because he "pledged loyalty" to a bunch of different terrorist groups that oppose another and people were obsessed with claiming he was a member of these groups when there's zero evidence of such?</quote> stop, you are trying to blame Islam</quote> Sarcastic Islamophobia is still Islamophobia and very ignorant.</quote> This is rox's habit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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