Current Events > Trump to send troops to guard border until wall/proper security achieved.

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Breaking---

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-trump-military/trump-says-will-use-military-to-protect-u-s-border-idUSKCN1HA25B
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Good
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Here's an obvious question.

How do most illegal immigrants enter the country?

Don't most of them actually get through actual border check points by providing fake papers, or in some cases by entering legitimately but then overstaying?
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John_Galt posted...

Good

wtf, we like wasteful spending now
@byron
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A stupid but necessary allocation use for resources. They're actually so brazen as to send a giant caravan of illegal immigrants to the US.
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At least our troops seem less likely to shoot people for little or no reason
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Sucks that Trump can't properly identify emergencies.
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Fucked up
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frozenshock posted...

Here's an obvious question.

How do most illegal immigrants enter the country?

Don't most of them actually get through actual border check points by providing fake papers, or in some cases by entering legitimately but then overstaying?

the vast, vast majority
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Don't we already have U.S. Border Patrol, ICE, etc?

Sad!
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frozenshock posted...

Here's an obvious question.

How do most illegal immigrants enter the country?

Don't most of them actually get through actual border check points by providing fake papers, or in some cases by entering legitimately but then overstaying?

I mean when Trump was doing his stupid border wall prototype inspections, the news agencies covering it just walked over the border to interview some Mexican locals who said (more or less) that they just... walk across whenever they feel like it.
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Good. I'm tired of those Canadians entering the country illegally

Complete_Idi0t posted...

Good. I'm tired of those Canadians entering the country illegally

Stop being so racist
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So we're just gonna have troops on the border forever?
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Capn Circus posted...

Breaking---

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-trump-military/trump-says-will-use-military-to-protect-u-s-border-idUSKCN1HA25B

Of course he said that. He doesn't want us to talk about this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/lawyer-linked-to-former-trump-aide-gets-30-days-in-prison-20000-fine-idUSKCN1HA20L

it's too obvious now

CableZL posted...

So we're just gonna have troops on the border forever?

No just until the wall gets bu-OH I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
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frozenshock posted...

Don't most of them actually get through actual border check points by providing fake papers, or in some cases by entering legitimately but then overstaying?

vast majority of illegals overstayed visas, yes. this is doing nothing except pandering to the anti-Hispanic crowd because "dey tuk owr jerbs" aka "they're better at playing the free market than i am and it upsets me to have to work harder"
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There is a horde of Honduran migrants cutting through Mexico with the cool of coming to America. This is smart.
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Good. This caravan should be regarded as a hostile enemy force.
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GuyCarlPeterson posted...

There is a horde of Honduran migrants cutting through Mexico with the cool of coming to America. This is smart.

Nice use of the word horde there, it doesn't remind me of anything at all:

http://christandpopculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/liberty.jpg

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

There is a horde of Honduran migrants cutting through Mexico with the cool of coming to America. This is smart.

Good news:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/02/trump-says-mexico-does-
little-to-stop-migrants-on-its-southern-border-hes-wrong/?utm_term=.6be7ac08f1ed
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Is this to bypass the fact that police don't have authority to do illegal search and seizures?
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Mexico already stopped the caravan. Trump doesn't care and militarizes the border anyway.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/02/trump-says-mexico-does-little-to-stop-migrants-on-its-southern-border-hes-wrong/

edit: ninja'd by sonicfan
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^I saw that
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Yeah I don't really care about this either way.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

frozenshock posted...

Don't most of them actually get through actual border check points by providing fake papers, or in some cases by entering legitimately but then overstaying?

vast majority of illegals overstayed visas, yes. this is doing nothing except pandering to the anti-Hispanic crowd because "dey tuk owr jerbs" aka "they're better at playing the free market than i am and it upsets me to have to work harder"

No, we're just tired of non citizens using our resources, using the US as a nursery for their babies and turning neighborhoods into ghettos
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Frostshock posted...

A stupid but necessary allocation use for resources. They're actually so brazen as to send a giant caravan of illegal immigrants to the US.

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s0nicfan posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

There is a horde of Honduran migrants cutting through Mexico with the cool of coming to America. This is smart.

Good news:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/02/trump-says-mexico-does-
little-to-stop-migrants-on-its-southern-border-hes-wrong/?utm_term=.6be7ac08f1ed

Nice. They caved to Trump's pressure. Glad we have a president that was willing to speak out about it. Hillary wouldnt have done a thing.
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Capn Circus posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

frozenshock posted...

Don't most of them actually get through actual border check points by providing fake papers, or in some cases by entering legitimately but then overstaying?

vast majority of illegals overstayed visas, yes. this is doing nothing except pandering to the anti-Hispanic crowd because "dey tuk owr jerbs" aka "they're better at playing the free market than i am and it upsets me to have to work harder"

No, we're just tired of non citizens using our resources, using the US as a nursery for their babies and turning neighborhoods into ghettos

How are troops at the border supposed to prevent people from overstaying their visas?
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Capn Circus posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

frozenshock posted...

Don't most of them actually get through actual border check points by providing fake papers, or in some cases by entering legitimately but then overstaying?

vast majority of illegals overstayed visas, yes. this is doing nothing except pandering to the anti-Hispanic crowd because "dey tuk owr jerbs" aka "they're better at playing the free market than i am and it upsets me to have to work harder"

No, we're just tired of non citizens using our resources, using the US as a nursery for their babies and turning neighborhoods into ghettos

without even addressing whether that is correct or not (it's not), that doesn't address my point at all. protecting the border will have an insignificant and negligible effect on actual illegal immigration. this, like the wall, is nothing more than a symbolic gesture designed to appease the blue collar folks who were out free-marketed by the (legal) immigrants.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

How are troops at the border supposed to prevent people from overstaying their visas?

Why would you think it's meant to? It's meant to stop illegals coming entering illegally at our Southern border.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

frozenshock posted...

Don't most of them actually get through actual border check points by providing fake papers, or in some cases by entering legitimately but then overstaying?

vast majority of illegals overstayed visas, yes. this is doing nothing except pandering to the anti-Hispanic crowd because "dey tuk owr jerbs" aka "they're better at playing the free market than i am and it upsets me to have to work harder"

No, we're just tired of non citizens using our resources, using the US as a nursery for their babies and turning neighborhoods into ghettos

without even addressing whether that is correct or not (it's not), that doesn't address my point at all. protecting the border will have an insignificant and negligible effect on actual illegal immigration. this, like the wall, is nothing more than a symbolic gesture.

So how will it not have an effect exactly?
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Capn Circus posted...

s0nicfan posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

There is a horde of Honduran migrants cutting through Mexico with the cool of coming to America. This is smart.

Good news:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/02/trump-says-mexico-does-
little-to-stop-migrants-on-its-southern-border-hes-wrong/?utm_term=.6be7ac08f1ed

Nice. They caved to Trump's pressure. Glad we have a president that was willing to speak out about it. Hillary wouldnt have done a thing.

Oh she'd do something alright, she'd greet them all at the boarder handing out those little American flags as they walk on in one by one.
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GuyCarlPeterson posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

frozenshock posted...

Don't most of them actually get through actual border check points by providing fake papers, or in some cases by entering legitimately but then overstaying?

vast majority of illegals overstayed visas, yes. this is doing nothing except pandering to the anti-Hispanic crowd because "dey tuk owr jerbs" aka "they're better at playing the free market than i am and it upsets me to have to work harder"

No, we're just tired of non citizens using our resources, using the US as a nursery for their babies and turning neighborhoods into ghettos

without even addressing whether that is correct or not (it's not), that doesn't address my point at all. protecting the border will have an insignificant and negligible effect on actual illegal immigration. this, like the wall, is nothing more than a symbolic gesture.

So how will it not have an effect exactly?

1) i never said it "wont have an affect". don't put words into my mouth. i said the effect will be "insignificant and negligible".

2) the majority of illegal immigrants enter the country legally and overstay visas.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Capn Circus posted...

s0nicfan posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

There is a horde of Honduran migrants cutting through Mexico with the cool of coming to America. This is smart.

Good news:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/02/trump-says-mexico-does-
little-to-stop-migrants-on-its-southern-border-hes-wrong/?utm_term=.6be7ac08f1ed

Nice. They caved to Trump's pressure. Glad we have a president that was willing to speak out about it. Hillary wouldnt have done a thing.

Oh she'd do something alright, she'd greet them all at the boarder handing out those little American flags as they walk on in one by one.

She'd get Houma to do it. Hillary has too low of energy to be out and about. It's also terrain that she could take a little tumble
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you guys have already deflected to Hilary and made the conversation about how bad she would have been. every time you do that it just shows how weak your support for Trump really is, because you can't actually defend him or his policy.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

2) the vast majority of illegal immigrants enter the country legally and overstay visas.

60% is not the vast majority. Yes, it's more, but that doesn't mean 40% is worth ignoring.
And you people would lose your shit if he tried addressing visa overstays.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

2) the vast majority of illegal immigrants enter the country legally and overstay visas.

60% is not the vast majority. Yes, it's more, but that doesn't mean 40% is worth ignoring.
And you people would lose your shit if he tried addressing visa overstays.

yeah i edited my post to just say "majority". i was wrong.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

you guys have already deflected to Hilary and made the conversation about how bad she would have been. every time you do that it just shows how weak your support for Trump really is, because you can't actually defend him or his policy.

This needs to be said again.
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RIP troops :(

Never coming home :(
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

you guys have already deflected to Hilary and made the conversation about how bad she would have been. every time you do that it just shows how weak your support for Trump really is, because you can't actually defend him or his policy.

It's not hard to defend. We have a problem at the border and of course I don't have a problem securing it.

And, yes, many do utilize our resources and have kids here they shouldn't be having.. and yes.. much of the southern border is ghettos. Have a look at Google maps and figure it out
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Seriously though, actual troops can do search and seizures legally right?
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Capn Circus posted...

And, yes, many do utilize our resources

The Social Security Administration estimated that in 2010, 1.8 million undocumented immigrants worked under a number that did not match their name.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-illegal-immigrants.html

1.8 million illegal immigrants paying the same taxes anyone else working in their position would, except they will never receive the benefits. they are paying and receiving nothing, completely contradicting your "they dont pay their fare share" narrative.

also note that its very difficult to get a job in this country without a valid SSN. those who do have jobs were hired illegally, which cannot happen without the employer breaking the law, too. so if you're mad at illegals working "under the table" it's woefully disingenuous for you to not hold the employers equally accountable. after all, jobs are given, not taken, and those businesses that employ people illegally do so in order to line their own pockets. those people are the ones not paying their fair share. are you outraged with them as well?

Capn Circus posted...

and have kids here they shouldn't be having

suddenly you're in the business of deciding who should and who should't have kids?
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

suddenly you're in the business of deciding who should and who should't have kids?

I guess he is an eugenecist too.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Capn Circus posted...

And, yes, many do utilize our resources

The Social Security Administration estimated that in 2010, 1.8 million undocumented immigrants worked under a number that did not match their name.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-illegal-immigrants.html

1.8 million illegal immigrants paying the same taxes anyone else working in their position would, except they will never receive the benefits. they are paying and receiving nothing, completely contradicting your "they dont pay their fare share" narrative.

also note that its very difficult to get a job in this country without a valid SSN. those who do have jobs were hired illegally, which cannot happen without the employer breaking the law, too. so if you're mad at illegals working "under the table" it's woefully disingenuous for you to not hold the employers equally accountable. after all, jobs are given, not taken, and those businesses that employ people illegally do so in order to line their own pockets. those people are the ones not paying their fair share. are you outraged with them as well?

Capn Circus posted...

and have kids here they shouldn't be having

suddenly you're in the business of deciding who should and who should't have kids?

Great, so you admitted they're breaking the law and stealing people's identities, too. That doesn't really help your case, and 1.8 million is not some impressive number to where our resources aren't being used on many here illegally.

And yes, I have a problem with people coming illegally to have kids here. You should too.
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Capn Circus posted...

Great, so you admitted they're breaking the law and stealing people's identities, too. That doesn't really help your case, and 1.8 million is not some impressive number to where our resources aren't being used on many here illegally.

they're using dead or abandoned SSNs.they aren't stealing anything from anyone. but yes, that's illegal and they shouldn't do it.

but i like how you completely sidestepped the real point that illegals that are employed in this country are either

1) using a fake SSN: this means they pay taxes and receive no benefits. these folks completely destroys your "they dont pay their share" argument because they pay their share and don't receive it.

2) employed illegally: this is the fault of the employer. if employers were cracked down on there wouldn't be places for illegals to work. why do you give them a pass while focusing all of your angst at the workers?
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

except they will never receive the benefits. they are paying and receiving nothing,

Bullshit. Are you ignoring public schools, WIC, Emergency Medicaid, etc.? Also, simply access to our markets. Fucking being here is a god damn benefit.

Also, many literally send outside of the country, taking it out of our local economy.
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@Capn Circus posted...

And yes, I have a problem with people coming illegally to have kids here. You should too.

LMAO

Tell us more about the wonders of eugenics. Do you also support forced sterilization? Gas chambers? Did you go to Charlottesville perhaps?

Wow, opponents of anchor babies are now Nazis? The leftists on CE have lost their fucking minds.
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Shuto-uke posted...

@Capn Circus posted...

And yes, I have a problem with people coming illegally to have kids here. You should too.

LMAO

Tell us more about the wonders of eugenics. Do you also support forced sterilization? Gas chambers? Did you go to Charlottesville perhaps?

Holy leap in logic Batman
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