Current Events > BOTW is babby's first open world game

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Mr_Biscuit posted...

This is either patently untrue or you are unbelievably terrible at video games, given you also said this

i absolutely did play the game. what is not true about what i said?
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ACHEEKSMALLOY posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

BOTW's combat is way harder than most open world games

having a shitty outdated weapon degradation system =/= hard

Weapons breaking isn't why people consider it hard. Its that until later mid-game/endgame, you're pretty damn fragile.
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i wrote a pretty lengthy response on the game's flaws from a while ago:

the game is definitely too big and barren for what it seems to offer.

eg. small enemy variety, way too much non-interactive real estate with a small potato thrown in here and there(korok seed) to justify its design.
some shrines are already guilty of this with copy/paste encounters or puzzles as if ninty just said "f it... they should just appreciate there's one more potato for them to collect".

can't believe i'm saying this but i actually miss the dungeon items of traditional zeldas since they at least offer some new variety say when you come across a new gameplay element 3/4 through the game.

more or less every puzzle or head scratcher in botw involves a variation of the runes you acquire in the first few hours of the game and not even killing the main bosses will change this up in any significant way. the same goes for combat, though admittedly not nearly as bad since going against the beasts does offer up some cool variety.

progression also doesn't really feel rewarding since every upgrade you work towards is for the sake of convenience... eg. bigger stamina wheel, faster climbing, ability to hold more items etc.

however, what annoys the most are probably the meaningless quests that at worst offer a stupid dish or extra cash for what can easily amount to hours of trial and error without a guide in hand. even getting the "good" ending was a chore with having to figure out all the 12(13) stupid memories.

obviously i used a guide for those because screw going to a town/stable and getting a vague description from an NPC for each of them.

all in all i guess botw is more a hit than miss but definitely shouldn't have gotten anywhere near the scores it got.
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Romulox28 posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

This is either patently untrue or you are unbelievably terrible at video games, given you also said this

i absolutely did play the game. what is not true about what i said?

All of it.

You never have to "glitch" to climb a mountain. Meal prep, observe your surroundings for places to catch your breath, etc. I climbed some of the highest peaks in the game with base stamina and virtually zero upgrades just by cooking very early on because I got the itch to push the limits of "go anywhere" a bit and see what I could pull off.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

Romulox28 posted...

i played BOTW for a little under 10 hours

This is either patently untrue or you are unbelievably terrible at video games, given you also said this

Romulox28 posted...

*climbs 5 feet, runs out of stamina, and has to abuse glitches to avoid falling off a mountain

This guy is the reason for all the obvious warning labels, ie -- do not use toaster in bathtub.

Just ignore him; his opinions don't matter.
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BotW is a game of at least 75+ hours for the main story... ...9 hours is not enough to pass your judgement especially because you spent half of that time in an introduction area.
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NeoBowser posted...

BotW is a game of at least 75+ hours for the main story

Entirely incorrect.

EDIT: Out of curiosity, I checked my file. Just under 30 hours.
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DoGCyN posted...

NeoBowser posted...

BotW is a game of at least 75+ hours for the main story

Entirely incorrect. I beat the game in literally 20-25 hours. If I had straight shotted the story, it would've been less.

Depends if you're a destination guy or a journey guy.
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BotW taps into that magic sensation of when you were a kid and you went out into the woods and explored shit. That's what BotW is. No other game captures this feeling quite as well.
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krazychao5 posted...

DoGCyN posted...

NeoBowser posted...

BotW is a game of at least 75+ hours for the main story

Entirely incorrect. I beat the game in literally 20-25 hours. If I had straight shotted the story, it would've been less.

Depends if you're a destination guy or a journey guy.

He said for the main story. I did primarily the main story with probably 5-10 hours collecting orbs to get more hearts... mostly because the rest of the game unfortunately bored me.

Don't get me wrong though. I totally see why people love it. It just wasn't for me.
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ahahahaha
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Can you kill random NPCs in the game?
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QQGG posted...

Can you kill random NPCs in the game?

Asking the important question
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Loghain posted...

QQGG posted...

Can you kill random NPCs in the game?

Asking the important question

I was just curious. I haven't played it, and don't have a Switch. Would like to get one eventually. I loved the previous Zelda games.

I just read and saw discussions about this being more mature, and people likened the open world aspect to Elder Scrolls and GTA.

Was just curious about a small gameplay element.

Oh yeah, can you also horse jack people?

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QQGG posted...

Loghain posted...

QQGG posted...

Can you kill random NPCs in the game?

Asking the important question

I was just curious. I haven't played it, and don't have a Switch. Would like to get one eventually. I loved the previous Zelda games.

I just read and saw discussions about this being more mature, and people likened the open world aspect to Elder Scrolls and GTA.

Was just curious about a small gameplay element.

Oh yeah, can you also horse jack people?

Can't kill NPC's, but they do react to various things that you do.

No NPC's have a horse to steal from, but you can do that against monsters.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

Romulox28 posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

This is either patently untrue or you are unbelievably terrible at video games, given you also said this

i absolutely did play the game. what is not true about what i said?

All of it.

You never have to "glitch" to climb a mountain. Meal prep, observe your surroundings for places to catch your breath, etc. I climbed some of the highest peaks in the game with base stamina and virtually zero upgrades just by cooking very early on because I got the itch to push the limits of "go anywhere" a bit and see what I could pull off.

having to find a "flat" looking area that link can manage to stand on for 3 seconds to regain stamina does not constitute compelling climbing in my book.

of course the other option is to spend your time doing one of the most exciting activities in gaming history (collecting acorns and other bullshit) so you can get a higher stamina bar. what a blast!
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Romulox28 posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

Romulox28 posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

This is either patently untrue or you are unbelievably terrible at video games, given you also said this

i absolutely did play the game. what is not true about what i said?

All of it.

You never have to "glitch" to climb a mountain. Meal prep, observe your surroundings for places to catch your breath, etc. I climbed some of the highest peaks in the game with base stamina and virtually zero upgrades just by cooking very early on because I got the itch to push the limits of "go anywhere" a bit and see what I could pull off.

having to find a "flat" looking area that link can manage to stand on for 3 seconds to regain stamina does not constitute compelling climbing in my book.

of course the other option is to spend your time doing one of the most exciting activities in gaming history (collecting acorns and other bullshit) so you can get a higher stamina bar. what a blast!

If you played the game, you'd know collecting items has no effect on increasing the stamina bar.

But then you'd have to actually not be a troll, which is somehow out of your grasp of reasoning.
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pinky0926 posted...

I'd say it's the first open world game I've ever played where I felt truly free to explore the space and not limited by being stuck on the ground or unable to enter buildings or cut off from certain areas just because.

Also maybe the first open world game where I just enjoyed aimlessly exploring. There's been a lot of criticism about all the open space but I found it made finding things the more impactful, and I never felt like I was just staring at a map running to X location and ignoring everything on the journey. I think they did a really good job of making everything worth going to, which is not something I usually feel when playing open world games.

Morrowind was that game for me (not counting top down or isometric games). BotW actually reminds me of it in some ways, from what I've played of and read about it so far. The final boss being in a highly visible central area that can be accessed right from the start of the game, most NPCs being unique/named, the lack of quest arrows, the game telling you what to do rather than how to do it, the mountainous topography and general verticality, the different ways of getting around (e.g. levitation in Morrowind and the paraglider in BotW), the existence of tougher enemies and areas enemies right from the start (rather than tailoring everything to your character), the encouragement to explore and get wet behind the ears before tackling the main quest, and probably some aspects I haven't thought of.

There are of course differences though. BotW has far better graphics (although mods can close the gap a bit), combat and physics and has Nintendo's trademark polish. Morrowind, being an RPG, obviously leans far more on story and dialogue and allows more choice (in terms of equipment, stats and skills and narrative). Being more of an RPG guy, I prefer it. Both are good in their own ways though.

I had a search to see others comparing them (which was inevitable really) and found these:

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3250830/gaming/the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-morrowind-discovery.html

http://twoguysplayingzelda.com/news/does-botw-have-the-perfect-open-world-the-elder-scrolls-vs-zelda-debate/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Morrowind/comments/5ykj55/breath_of_the_wild_is_the_first_game_since/

QQGG posted...

Can you kill random NPCs in the game?

Heh, that's what Morrowind is for.

QQGG posted...

Oh yeah, can you also horse jack people?

The better question is "Can you be horse jacked?" I remember that shit happened to me in Red Dead Redemption.

krazychao5 posted...

they do react to various things that you do.

THIEF!

I will have to play it at some point.
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It's true.
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Romulox28 posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

Romulox28 posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

This is either patently untrue or you are unbelievably terrible at video games, given you also said this

i absolutely did play the game. what is not true about what i said?

All of it.

You never have to "glitch" to climb a mountain. Meal prep, observe your surroundings for places to catch your breath, etc. I climbed some of the highest peaks in the game with base stamina and virtually zero upgrades just by cooking very early on because I got the itch to push the limits of "go anywhere" a bit and see what I could pull off.

having to find a "flat" looking area that link can manage to stand on for 3 seconds to regain stamina does not constitute compelling climbing in my book.

of course the other option is to spend your time doing one of the most exciting activities in gaming history (collecting acorns and other bullshit) so you can get a higher stamina bar. what a blast!

Uhh... you collect shrine shit to get stamina. Or are you talking about cooking? That fucking takes like 30 seconds and you usually grab food along the way anyways. You wouldn't use acorns to climb walls either.

Listen, I still don't think you play this game, or maybe you did but stopped after like 30 min, but if somehow that was causing you problems, it kinda sounds like a you problem, not the game's problem
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legendarylemur posted...

Romulox28 posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

Romulox28 posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

This is either patently untrue or you are unbelievably terrible at video games, given you also said this

i absolutely did play the game. what is not true about what i said?

All of it.

You never have to "glitch" to climb a mountain. Meal prep, observe your surroundings for places to catch your breath, etc. I climbed some of the highest peaks in the game with base stamina and virtually zero upgrades just by cooking very early on because I got the itch to push the limits of "go anywhere" a bit and see what I could pull off.

having to find a "flat" looking area that link can manage to stand on for 3 seconds to regain stamina does not constitute compelling climbing in my book.

of course the other option is to spend your time doing one of the most exciting activities in gaming history (collecting acorns and other bullshit) so you can get a higher stamina bar. what a blast!

Uhh... you collect shrine shit to get stamina. Or are you talking about cooking? That fucking takes like 30 seconds and you usually grab food along the way anyways. You wouldn't use acorns to climb walls either.

Listen, I still don't think you play this game, or maybe you did but stopped after like 30 min, but if somehow that was causing you problems, it kinda sounds like a you problem, not the game's problem

I can vouch that this dudes played the game - YOURE literally just like lol I bet you didnt play the game and hes giving you valid crtisicm

No recent game has rustled as many jimmies as BOTW lmao.
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Lorcus posted...

I can vouch that this dudes played the game - YOURE literally just like lol I bet you didnt play the game and hes giving you valid crtisicm

Except none of the criticisms he raised is valid lmao

So that is how I can vouch that he DID NOT play the game
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Open world has been around for a long time, so highly unlikely unless you're pretty young.

ledbowman posted...

No recent game has rustled as many jimmies as BOTW lmao.

And years down the road it still will. It's like the FF7 of this generation.
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Man too bad Zelda games in the past didn't have the equivalent to acorns

I will agree that the shrines were the weakest part of the game; i'd rather have a big, multi-part dungeon
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GregShmedley posted...

Link HT posted...

Lorcus posted...

Doe posted...

I'm sorry but BotW changed the fucking game

Only uncultured gamers think this

http://www.gdconf.com/news/breath-wild-takes-top-prize-2018-game-developers-choice-awards/

Guess all the people who actually work in the industry are uncultured then.

It's a great game, no doubt, but it certainly isn't a "game changer."

It's a well polished open world game but there is nothing particularly ground breaking about it.

Says who? You? Lol

The industry in general disagrees with you
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"Waaah, people liked a thing that I didn't like."
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chill02 posted...

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It's hard yo.

As much as I adore BotW (I have like 300 hours), it does have many major flaws in my eyes. They're all based on presentation, though. From a gameplay perspective it's pretty much rock fucking solid, no complaints mostly.

I hate the shrines and divine beasts. Give me more traditional, themed dungeons and caves and minidungeons that fit organically into the world.

I hate the sheikah slate. I would've 100% preferred actual items instead of the runes. Rolling all the items and map functions and camera etc. into the sheikah slate feels lazy instead of actually making items.

The final Ganon battle sucked. It was fucking insanely easy, and I hate quadripedal ganon designs. We've only had bipedal Ganon in OoT and the 2d games. Please bring bipedal ganon back, he's so much cooler :(

The fact that you can't upgrade any of the dlc items and can't dye the amiibo items or dlc items is the dumbest shit.

Those first two complaints are my biggest. If they just removed the sheikah aesthetic entirely and replaced it with things more organic to the world, game would be my favorite of all time tbh.
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Timohtep posted...

As much as I adore BotW (I have like 300 hours), it does have many major flaws in my eyes. They're all based on presentation, though. From a gameplay perspective it's pretty much rock fucking solid, no complaints mostly.

Why put 300 hours into something you seem to hate so much? What you described as hating is the entire game.
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krazychao5 posted...

Timohtep posted...

As much as I adore BotW (I have like 300 hours), it does have many major flaws in my eyes. They're all based on presentation, though. From a gameplay perspective it's pretty much rock fucking solid, no complaints mostly.

Why put 300 hours into something you seem to hate so much? What you described as hating is the entire game.

Exploring is awesome, most of the music is good, the puzzles are great, the combat is great, the game is beautiful, the gameplay is fluid, the sound design is stellar, the nostalgia from the outfits is great, Hyrule Castle is my favorite dungeon in the entire series for a hundred million reasons, the races are all cool. There's a million reasons I love the game
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The ones who say "BotW isn't good, it doesn't even do anything unique" don't seem to realize that a lot of good things have come from taking the good parts of others to make a better package. Not saying BotW is perfect, but a lot of open-world games don't offer you the freedom that BotW does.
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It's pretty funny how mad people are
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Waaah
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GregShmedley posted...

*sees username*

Ah. Fanboyism--the many plagues of the video game community.

Your link (pun intended) didn't prove it to be a game changer, like you claimed. It didn't bring anything new to the open world genre. It is just a very well made game.

A game changer would be something like GTA3. That was a game changer.

again, where's your argument? All you're saying is "it's not revolutionary because I said so and GTA3 is because I also said so".

If you want a link that "proves it's a game changer" then maybe read one of the countless reviews that says so and explains why. I'd explain it myself but I'm honestly a bit fed up with doing so after all this time and would rather just laugh at how even a year later people are still upset this game is as good as it is.
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Link HT posted...

It's been over a year and people are still butthurt over the game's success.

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Here's the thing, if a game is hailed as a masterpiece by fans, critics and developers alike then there's really no need for me to post my arguments for it; it's been done to death by everyone else.

You don't think it's a game changer, that's fine, people with more credibility than you do.
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Dude you're literally saying your opinion is worth more than that of most in the industry, how arrogant can you be? If fans, critics, and developers say it's a game changer and you still aren't convinced then what would change your mind?

GregShmedley posted...

That's false considering they are every day people.

This is also such a fucking stupid thing to say, I trust my doctor on medical advice and he's just a regular every day person as well, should I start getting my diagnoses from you instead?
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GregShmedley posted...

...everyday people as opposed to being professional game critics, genius.

but "professional game critics" did say it's a game changer?

GregShmedley posted...

Saying they don't have more credibility than me isn't necessarily saying I have more credibility than them.

so you're saying your opinion is worth just as much as anyone in the industry. fucking lmao

GregShmedley posted...

Please list out everything that this game does different or better for the open world genre. You say it's a game changer--prove it. Screaming "b b but reviews" doesn't count.

again, you REFUSE to listen to people with more credibility than yourself and me. You say their opinion doesn't matter, but somehow mine will if I list things about the game? "Nothing anyone says matters, but try to convince me", that's what you're saying, basically. If you won't take anyone's word for it then why should I bother? It's amazing to me how you can't see the ridiculousness of this request.

Here's a link just for fun but for real, you can literally google "breath of the wild game changer" and come up with hundreds of results lol.

https://www.gamesradar.com/were-all-talking-about-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-developers-explain-how-its-shaping-the-future-of-games/

GregShmedley posted...

You are now entering meltdown territory, by the way.

it's funny to me how you think you're somehow "winning"
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That's not even true. It's just a different kind of open world game (technically it's open air and not even open world :p).
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It's babby's first good open world game
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