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dreamvoid
03/29/18 5:30:20 PM
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/austin-police-chief-calls-bomber-domestic-terrorist/story?id=54096462

In the wake of a string of deadly bombings that shook Austin, Texas and surrounding areas in recent weeks, the city's police chief called the suspect a "domestic terrorist," even though the incidents have not been formally labeled as such by the feds.

The declaration by Chief Brian Manley came during a panel discussion this morning hosted by the local NPR station KUT that was focused on the handling of the bombings.

"I actually agree now that he was a domestic terrorist for what he did to us," Manley said, according to KUT.

"This is a distinction I wanted to make today," Manley said, according to The Austin American-Statesman.During the panel, Manley reportedly said that he hadn't made that declaration earlier because "I was so focused that we put a stop to it" but he felt appropriate categorizing it as domestic terrorism "for what it did to our community," The Statesman reported.

The terrorism label is significant because authorities, including Manley, had not used that classification previously.


i think it's fair to call him a terrorist.
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darkjedilink
03/29/18 5:31:59 PM
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As do I.
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dreamvoid
03/29/18 9:41:36 PM
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well then. i figured more people would care since there were huge arguments on whether he was a terrorist or not.
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ledbowman
03/30/18 8:40:01 AM
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huh
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Vulgarn
03/30/18 8:43:21 AM
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If I cba to remember who was saying he wasn't a terrorist, I'd @ them right now
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Rika_Furude
03/30/18 8:47:24 AM
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dreamvoid posted...
well then. i figured more people would care since there were huge arguments on whether he was a terrorist or not.

no there wern't
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Nomadic View
03/30/18 8:53:20 AM
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Words have meanings.

Terrorism is
(1) the attack
(2) on innocents
(3) for a political end.

You need all three elements.

If it makes the police chief feel better to label him a terrorist, go for it. But its an inaccurate use of the word.
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creativerealms
03/30/18 8:55:33 AM
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Good, cause that's what he was.
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ledbowman
03/30/18 8:56:36 AM
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Nomadic View posted...
Words have meanings.

Terrorism is
(1) the attack
(2) on innocents
(3) for a political end.

You need all three elements.

If it makes the police chief feel better to label him a terrorist, go for it. But its an inaccurate use of the word.

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]
noun
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism?s=t
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Nomadic View
03/30/18 8:57:15 AM
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ledbowman posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Words have meanings.

Terrorism is
(1) the attack
(2) on innocents
(3) for a political end.

You need all three elements.

If it makes the police chief feel better to label him a terrorist, go for it. But its an inaccurate use of the word.

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]
noun
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism?s=t

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CableZL
03/30/18 8:57:33 AM
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Nomadic View posted...
ledbowman posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Words have meanings.

Terrorism is
(1) the attack
(2) on innocents
(3) for a political end.

You need all three elements.

If it makes the police chief feel better to label him a terrorist, go for it. But its an inaccurate use of the word.

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]
noun
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism?s=t


"Especially" does not mean "only"
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Were_Wyrm
03/30/18 8:57:51 AM
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We might as well call him a Nazi antifa BLM Klansmen while we're at it.
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ledbowman
03/30/18 8:58:31 AM
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Especially does not mean exclusively but you already know that.
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ledbowman
03/30/18 9:04:13 AM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
We might as well call him a Nazi antifa BLM Klansmen while we're at it.

Oh look how they flail.
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FrisbeeDude
03/30/18 9:07:51 AM
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The same people who wanted BLM labeled a terrorist organization are suddenly only interested in the strictest definition of the word
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voldothegr8
03/30/18 9:09:29 AM
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Why does it matter? Can we not just label him a piece of shit subhuman filth and leave it at that?
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ledbowman
03/30/18 9:24:55 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Why does it matter? Can we not just label him a piece of shit subhuman filth and leave it at that?

"Why are politics"
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Ammonitida
03/30/18 9:25:15 AM
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CableZL posted...
Nomadic View posted...
ledbowman posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Words have meanings.

Terrorism is
(1) the attack
(2) on innocents
(3) for a political end.

You need all three elements.

If it makes the police chief feel better to label him a terrorist, go for it. But its an inaccurate use of the word.

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]
noun
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism?s=t


"Especially" does not mean "only"


That's a dictionary definition. The Homeland Security and CIA definitions are more strict.

This bomber was a serial killer who used explosives instead of more traditional methods like guns or knives.
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Nomadic View
03/30/18 9:25:22 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Why does it matter? Can we not just label him a piece of shit subhuman filth and leave it at that?


That is an accurate description.
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A_Good_Boy
03/30/18 9:29:26 AM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
The same people who wanted BLM labeled a terrorist organization are suddenly only interested in the strictest definition of the word

Yeah what's up with that?
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ledbowman
03/30/18 9:33:58 AM
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Words have meanings.
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The Admiral
03/30/18 9:34:22 AM
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If it makes better feel better for some reason to call him a "terrorist," have at it.

But he does not meet the FBI's definition of a domestic terrorist, so, from a LEO point-of-view, he will not be regarded or treated as one.
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Nomadic View
03/30/18 9:41:30 AM
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ledbowman posted...
Words have meanings.

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Photachyon2
03/30/18 9:45:27 AM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
The same people who wanted BLM labeled a terrorist organization are suddenly only interested in the strictest definition of the word

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Ammonitida
03/30/18 9:48:34 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Why does it matter? Can we not just label him a piece of shit subhuman filth and leave it at that?


It matters because the bomber was white and the left believes in the false narrative that there exists a double standard in how the media applies the "terrorist" label.

The narrative goes like this;

White mass murderer = mentally ill

In the vast majority of cases, white mass murderers are either infamy seekers or disgruntled workplace shooters, neither of which fall under "terrorism".

Muslim mass murderer = terrorist

That's because in all but two cases, Muslim mass murderers have been motivated by either religion or politics. The exceptions are the Turkish-American Mall shooter in 2016 who was an infamy seeker and the 2014 Santa Monica school shooter, also an infamy seeker. Neither were called terrorists by any major media outlet, though in the case of the mall shooter, some in the media speculated a possible Islamist motivation because of his Turkish background.

Black mass murderer = thug

This is never true. Most such murderers have been labeled mentally ill (see Aaron Alexis as an example), unless they were racially motivated, in which case they were called terrorists or just racists.

https://www.rt.com/usa/385359-fresno-shooter-racist-not-terrorist/

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Shuto-uke
03/30/18 9:52:43 AM
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Nomadic View posted...
Words have meanings.

Terrorism is
(1) the attack
(2) on innocents
(3) for a political end.

You need all three elements.

If it makes the police chief feel better to label him a terrorist, go for it. But its an inaccurate use of the word.


You're saying he had no political end? lol.
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The Admiral
03/30/18 9:53:16 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Words have meanings.

Terrorism is
(1) the attack
(2) on innocents
(3) for a political end.

You need all three elements.

If it makes the police chief feel better to label him a terrorist, go for it. But its an inaccurate use of the word.


You're saying he had no political end? lol.


What was his political goal?
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gunplagirl
03/30/18 9:57:05 AM
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People trying to get pedantic, fail

More at 11
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Shuto-uke
03/30/18 9:58:16 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Words have meanings.

Terrorism is
(1) the attack
(2) on innocents
(3) for a political end.

You need all three elements.

If it makes the police chief feel better to label him a terrorist, go for it. But its an inaccurate use of the word.


You're saying he had no political end? lol.


What was his political goal?


He had a thing against liberals and minorities, so he chose to bomb directly a bunch of minorities, and then when that became too hard to keep pulling off he had to settle for trigger bombs to keep the liberal city full of fear.

He had a blog full of ultra-conservative and ultra-religious rants, and we are not even allowed to see his confessional tape for some reason, even though news stations and PDs are usually real happy to share other attacker's manifestos.
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Nomadic View
03/30/18 9:58:30 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Words have meanings.

Terrorism is
(1) the attack
(2) on innocents
(3) for a political end.

You need all three elements.

If it makes the police chief feel better to label him a terrorist, go for it. But its an inaccurate use of the word.


You're saying he had no political end? lol.


If he did, its not one Im aware of. If Im mistaken Ill take it back. What was his political end?
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ledbowman
03/30/18 9:58:50 AM
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The Admiral posted...
If it makes better feel better for some reason to call him a "terrorist," have at it.

It's not about making me feel better it's about how when you point out he fits the dictionary definition of terrorism jimmies get rustled.
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lilORANG
03/30/18 10:00:53 AM
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Do we know his motive now? That's kind of important for it to be terrorism.
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DirkDiggles
03/30/18 10:02:46 AM
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Unibomber was a terrorist.
Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist.
This guy is a terrorist.
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The Admiral
03/30/18 10:03:31 AM
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ledbowman posted...
The Admiral posted...
If it makes better feel better for some reason to call him a "terrorist," have at it.

It's not about making me feel better it's about how when you point out he fits the dictionary definition of terrorism jimmies get rustled.


He barely fits one online dictionary definition, which is a bizarre source to be using in the first place.

He does not fit the FBI's definition of "domestic terrorist" at all, and that would seem much more appropriate since they're the official organization for designating terrorist groups.

Like I said, if it makes you feel better emotionally to call him a terrorist, feel free.
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Shuto-uke
03/30/18 10:05:38 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
The Admiral posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Words have meanings.

Terrorism is
(1) the attack
(2) on innocents
(3) for a political end.

You need all three elements.

If it makes the police chief feel better to label him a terrorist, go for it. But its an inaccurate use of the word.


You're saying he had no political end? lol.


What was his political goal?


He had a thing against liberals and minorities, so he chose to bomb directly a bunch of minorities, and then when that became too hard to keep pulling off he had to settle for trigger bombs to keep the liberal city full of fear.

He had a blog full of ultra-conservative and ultra-religious rants, and we are not even allowed to see his confessional tape for some reason, even though news stations and PDs are usually real happy to share other attacker's manifestos.

Source?


You won't find it all in a single article.

You can look at who the first 3 attacks got. Then you can look at the other attacks. Then his blog was in another news story.
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YourDrunkFather
03/30/18 10:05:51 AM
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Why does the left always seem so desperate to label a white guy a terrorist lol. Like regardless of what this police chief says he doesn't fit the usual definition of what makes a terrorist unless he had some poltical aim that hasn't really been made public yet.
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ledbowman
03/30/18 10:07:51 AM
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The Admiral posted...
He barely fits

Explain how he barely fits this dictionary definition.
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Shuto-uke
03/30/18 10:08:06 AM
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The Admiral posted...
ledbowman posted...
The Admiral posted...
If it makes better feel better for some reason to call him a "terrorist," have at it.

It's not about making me feel better it's about how when you point out he fits the dictionary definition of terrorism jimmies get rustled.


He barely fits one online dictionary definition, which is a bizarre source to be using in the first place.

He does not fit the FBI's definition of "domestic terrorist" at all, and that would seem much more appropriate since they're the official organization for designating terrorist groups.

Like I said, if it makes you feel better emotionally to call him a terrorist, feel free.


If somebody can go and bomb minorities and liberals and at the same time have very, very conservative views and then blow himself up and we can't even deem him a terrorist, how good is that definition?
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Solar_Crimson
03/30/18 10:08:27 AM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
The same people who wanted BLM labeled a terrorist organization are suddenly only interested in the strictest definition of the word

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The Admiral
03/30/18 10:09:08 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
The same people who wanted BLM labeled a terrorist organization are suddenly only interested in the strictest definition of the word


Either name the people or stop quoting this victim drivel. It's not an argument.
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Ammonitida
03/30/18 10:09:58 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
The Admiral posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Words have meanings.

Terrorism is
(1) the attack
(2) on innocents
(3) for a political end.

You need all three elements.

If it makes the police chief feel better to label him a terrorist, go for it. But its an inaccurate use of the word.


You're saying he had no political end? lol.


What was his political goal?


He had a thing against liberals and minorities, so he chose to bomb directly a bunch of minorities, and then when that became too hard to keep pulling off he had to settle for trigger bombs to keep the liberal city full of fear.

He had a blog full of ultra-conservative and ultra-religious rants, and we are not even allowed to see his confessional tape for some reason, even though news stations and PDs are usually real happy to share other attacker's manifestos.

Source?


There's no evidence that he had a thing against "minorities" or "liberals". He chose minority-owned homes at first because of their close approximation to his own home. After the media started warning people in the East Austin area to not pick up strange packages on porches, he went out of his comfort zone and set a trip wire bomb on a road in a predominately white neighborhood, injuring two people.

He did run an ultra conservative blog when he was 17, but there's no evidence that these views played any part in his motive.
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Teddytalks
03/30/18 10:10:43 AM
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YourDrunkFather posted...
Why does the left always seem so desperate to label a white guy a terrorist lol. Like regardless of what this police chief says he doesn't fit the usual definition of what makes a terrorist unless he had some poltical aim that hasn't really been made public yet.


He blew people up to create fear.

That textbook terrorism. Says so in the damn topic.

You're full of shit.

Get out of the topic.
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MangaFan462
03/30/18 10:11:16 AM
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No, this is just workplace violence.
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Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X
03/30/18 10:11:30 AM
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Watch the media and right wingers discredit the police chief and blame it on mental illness.
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YourDrunkFather
03/30/18 10:13:05 AM
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Teddytalks posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
Why does the left always seem so desperate to label a white guy a terrorist lol. Like regardless of what this police chief says he doesn't fit the usual definition of what makes a terrorist unless he had some poltical aim that hasn't really been made public yet.


He blew people up to create fear.

That textbook terrorism. Says so in the damn topic.

You're full of shit.

Get out of the topic.


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Nomadic View
03/30/18 10:13:40 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Domestic terrorism or homegrown terrorism is terrorism targeting victims "within a country by a perpetrator with the same citizenship" as the victims.[1] There are many definitions of terrorism, and no universally accepted definition. The United States Department of State defined terrorism in 2003 as "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience."


Seems like the Austin Bomber does fit in the Dept of State's definition.


What was his political end?
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