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pinky0926
03/28/18 8:40:47 AM
#51:


Darkman124 posted...


https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal



Yes, but anecdotes get across the point better, i.e. that people who choose that line of work generally aren't in a great place to begin with.
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
03/28/18 8:42:29 AM
#52:


XBoner posted...
MattSFfrd posted...
i don't think she's lying, but who gives a shit? it was a consensual one time thing years ago. bill clinton literally raped women.

who did bill clinton rape?

You realize that his position of power is what makes it rape. That's what we've learned from the metoo movement
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gunplagirl
03/28/18 8:42:32 AM
#53:


Darkman124 posted...
pinky0926 posted...


I think I do since I've dated 3 sex workers, used to hang at strip clubs all the time and befriended many and know quite a number from personal life even outside of that. Your assumptions are as worthy as mine, they just happen to have reached a different conclusion.


https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

gunplagirl posted...


You really don't have any idea what most sex workers are like then

But that's probably because you're forgetting that the majority are cam workers


https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division


And there's a fallacy that attributing a fallacy to an argument doesn't make it wrong. But hey, it's not like this contributes to the discussion.
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iClockwork
03/28/18 8:44:25 AM
#54:


stone posted...
Still is hush money even if they agreed upon it. That's how hush money usually works "I give you money and you tell no one" "ok"

Glad we agree there's no issue.
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stone
03/28/18 8:45:34 AM
#55:


iClockwork posted...
stone posted...
Still is hush money even if they agreed upon it. That's how hush money usually works "I give you money and you tell no one" "ok"

Glad we agree there's no issue.

There's an issue, but it's mostly with you.
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Darkman124
03/28/18 8:47:02 AM
#56:


gunplagirl posted...
And there's a fallacy that attributing a fallacy to an argument doesn't make it wrong. But hey, it's not like this contributes to the discussion.


building your argument on a false comparison means you have no argument. it does not hold up under any form of scrutiny. yes, the thesis you're defending can still be right: but that's not due to any effort of yours.

pinky0926 posted...


Yes, but anecdotes get across the point better, i.e. that people who choose that line of work generally aren't in a great place to begin with.


anecdotes make me tune out because there's no scientific basis for them and they don't relate to the situation being discussed

but i'm glad that both of you bristled in response to my comments because that means i'm doing it right.

now consider stormy daniels as a person, rather than as a sex worker in context of your isolated experience with a specific subset of sex workers, or in context of a broad assortment of sex workers that includes a type totally orthogonal to her line of work.

and see where that takes you both.
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gunplagirl
03/28/18 8:47:40 AM
#57:


pinky0926 posted...
gunplagirl posted...


You really don't have any idea what most sex workers are like then

But that's probably because you're forgetting that the majority are cam workers and never interact with any clients besides video chat or snap chats and maybe custom vid orders.

Don't stereotype most porn workers as being drug addicts or liars.


I think I do since I've dated 3 sex workers, used to hang at strip clubs all the time and befriended many and know quite a number from personal life even outside of that. Your assumptions are as worthy as mine, they just happen to have reached a different conclusion.

Drugs in the sex industry is not a stereotype, it's a reality.

And Stormy Daniels is not a part time cam model, that's just obfuscating the point unnecessarily.


Weed is hardly a terrible drug, but whatever floats your boat.

Never said stormy is or was, the broader implications of the sex worker community can be presented without having to frame itself around any particular worker.
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gunplagirl
03/28/18 8:49:27 AM
#58:


Darkman, cry more, if you're not contributing then at least try and bait a reaction like iclockwork.
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stone
03/28/18 8:51:17 AM
#59:


gunplagirl posted...
Darkman, cry more, if you're not contributing then at least try and bait a reaction like iclockwork.

Oh now you've done it! He'll probably link you to a fallacy for this message.
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gunplagirl
03/28/18 8:54:10 AM
#60:


stone posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Darkman, cry more, if you're not contributing then at least try and bait a reaction like iclockwork.

Oh now you've done it! He'll probably link you to a fallacy for this message.

Acknowledging that other posters exist and are capable of looking up stuff? That's three fallacies AND a paddling.
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stone
03/28/18 8:55:45 AM
#61:


gunplagirl posted...
stone posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Darkman, cry more, if you're not contributing then at least try and bait a reaction like iclockwork.

Oh now you've done it! He'll probably link you to a fallacy for this message.

Acknowledging that other posters exist and are capable of looking up stuff? That's three fallacies AND a paddling.

You had me at paddling.
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iClockwork
03/28/18 8:58:44 AM
#62:


stone posted...
There's an issue, but it's mostly with you.

The argument falls apart and all that's left is ad hominem. Classic.
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scar the 1
03/28/18 9:02:48 AM
#63:


This topic feels a little weird
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stone
03/28/18 9:03:25 AM
#64:


iClockwork posted...
stone posted...
There's an issue, but it's mostly with you.

The argument falls apart and all that's left is ad hominem. Classic.

Or I'm just done arguing with someone wearing a blindfold. But sure let's go with yours, if that makes you shut up faster.
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XBoner
03/28/18 9:03:50 AM
#65:


scar the 1 posted...
This topic feels a little weird

why does it feel weird?
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Caution999
03/28/18 9:04:47 AM
#66:


Whether she's lying or not, she's certainly out for money and fame. She could've chosen any time to come out of the woodwork with this stuff.

She needs money. She's a dried up aging porn star entering her older years and nobody wants to see her on film anymore.
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stone
03/28/18 9:05:54 AM
#67:


Caution999 posted...
Whether she's lying or not, she's certainly out for money and fame. She could've chosen any time to come out of the woodwork with this stuff.

She needs money. She's a dried up aging porn star entering her older years and nobody wants to see her on film anymore.

Probably. It happened so long ago she just picked the best moment to make the most of it.
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A_Good_Boy
03/28/18 9:08:43 AM
#68:


Caution999 posted...
Whether she's lying or not, she's certainly out for money and fame. She could've chosen any time to come out of the woodwork with this stuff.

She needs money. She's a dried up aging porn star entering her older years and nobody wants to see her on film anymore.

If you're not criticizing her breaking her NDA in one topic then you're criticizing her for taking too long to speak in another. You've gotta make up your mind here breh.
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iClockwork
03/28/18 9:12:03 AM
#69:


stone posted...
Or I'm just done arguing with someone wearing a blindfold. But sure let's go with yours, if that makes you shut up faster.

You've failed at every turn to either

a) point to any wrong doing
b) provide any evidence for any wrong doing

What's the issue specifically then? Outrage for it's own sake?
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SavenForever
03/28/18 9:12:53 AM
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Some things she I think she is lying about, such as some mysterious man coming up to her and saying "that's a beautiful baby you got there. It would be a shame if something were to happen to it." like straight out of a movie.
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GuyCarlPeterson
03/28/18 9:13:04 AM
#71:


She signed a statement saying she didn't sleep with him so either way she is a liar.
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stone
03/28/18 9:13:23 AM
#72:


iClockwork posted...
stone posted...
Or I'm just done arguing with someone wearing a blindfold. But sure let's go with yours, if that makes you shut up faster.

You've failed at every turn to either

a) point to any wrong doing
b) provide any evidence for any wrong doing

What's the issue specifically then? Outrage for it's own sake?

Same could be said about pretty much everything you said, but hey let's not point that out, shall we?
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Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X
03/28/18 9:13:38 AM
#73:


If Daniels was lying Trump wouldn't had sent his lawyers after her. Especially when he ignored this issue until she said she had photos.

Lol at people here discrediting stormy just because she's a pornstar. Like she doesn't live a normal life outside the business. Because their orange gawd can't do nothing wrong.
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pinky0926
03/28/18 9:16:50 AM
#74:


Darkman124 posted...
anecdotes make me tune out because there's no scientific basis for them and they don't relate to the situation being discussed

but i'm glad that both of you bristled in response to my comments because that means i'm doing it right.

now consider stormy daniels as a person, rather than as a sex worker in context of your isolated experience with a specific subset of sex workers, or in context of a broad assortment of sex workers that includes a type totally orthogonal to her line of work.

and see where that takes you both.


Not exactly bristling at your comments, rather I made an offhand comment about what I think about pornstars and it's created a fairly unnecessary debate. I'll settle with "I don't know anything about Stormy Daniels as a person beyond some of her previous life choices nor anything about this situation beyond a few headlines".
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iClockwork
03/28/18 9:17:02 AM
#75:


stone posted...
Same could be said about pretty much everything you said, but hey let's not point that out, shall we?


Im not making the claim Trump has done anything wrong. Provide the evidence to support your claim of his wrongdoing.
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_OujiDoza_
03/28/18 9:18:13 AM
#76:


iClockwork posted...
stone posted...
Same could be said about pretty much everything you said, but hey let's not point that out, shall we?


Im not making the claim Trump has done anything wrong. Provide the evidence to support your claim of his wrongdoing.

Infidelity isn't considered wrong now?
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gunplagirl
03/28/18 9:18:20 AM
#77:


GuyCarlPeterson posted...
She signed a statement saying she didn't sleep with him so either way she is a liar.

The NDA would have said she wouldn't talk about anything that happened between the two parties

Not that she never had a relationship
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iClockwork
03/28/18 9:22:04 AM
#78:


_OujiDoza_ posted...
Infidelity isn't considered wrong now?

You have no insight into Trumps marriage to assume there was infidelity. For all you know Melanie is/was fine with Trump seeing other women. To pretend you know otherwise is pompous.
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gunplagirl
03/28/18 9:25:30 AM
#79:


iClockwork posted...
_OujiDoza_ posted...
Infidelity isn't considered wrong now?

You have no insight into Trumps marriage to assume there was infidelity. For all you know Melanie is/was fine with Trump seeing other women. To pretend you know otherwise is pompous.


Even if Melanie was okay with it, as a NYC resident, it's actually a crime to have an extramarital affair.

Penal Law 255.17
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stone
03/28/18 9:26:03 AM
#80:


iClockwork posted...
_OujiDoza_ posted...
Infidelity isn't considered wrong now?

You have no insight into Trumps marriage to assume there was infidelity. For all you know Melanie is/was fine with Trump seeing other women. To pretend you know otherwise is pompous.

And to pretend you know that she's fine with it is pulling crap out of you ass, but hey that's all you do so far. "let me counter what you said with something i've been doing myself but let's ignore that"
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_OujiDoza_
03/28/18 9:26:14 AM
#81:


gunplagirl posted...
iClockwork posted...
_OujiDoza_ posted...
Infidelity isn't considered wrong now?

You have no insight into Trumps marriage to assume there was infidelity. For all you know Melanie is/was fine with Trump seeing other women. To pretend you know otherwise is pompous.


Even if Melanie was okay with it, as a NYC resident, it's actually a crime to have an extramarital affair.

Penal Law 255.17

get em'
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Taharqa_
03/28/18 9:33:50 AM
#82:


There are two people that Trump does not attack in tweets from the shutter in the AM, Stormy Daniel's and Vladimir Putin. That's all I got to say on that, draw your own conclusions
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MattSFfrd
03/28/18 10:06:21 AM
#83:


_OujiDoza_ posted...
MattSFfrd posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Juanita Broaddrick accuses Clinton of raping her in 1978; Kathleen Willey accuses Clinton of groping her without consent in 1993; and Paula Jones accuses Clinton of exposing himself to her in 1991 and sexually harassing her

literally a two second google search

Neither of those is rape....derp.


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Caution999
03/28/18 10:07:37 AM
#84:


Pretty sure Juanita has a book out where she claims Clinton raped her.

But he's a Democrat. That means hes innocent.
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A_Good_Boy
03/28/18 10:09:31 AM
#85:


Caution999 posted...
Pretty sure Juanita has a book out where she claims Clinton raped her.

But he's a Democrat. That means hes innocent.

Gotta make up your mind here too breh. Do you believe allegations or not?
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SageHarpuia
03/28/18 10:10:43 AM
#86:


Why would I believe anything a whore said?
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Caution999
03/28/18 10:12:13 AM
#87:


Not until proven guilty in the court of law.

Doesn't mean the person claiming the allegations is right or wrong yet. Up for you to decide. Certainly, we can agree both Clinton and Trump are very wealthy, and have been or are the President of the United States, so you have to imagine they're damn near impossible to touch with this kind of issue.

That said, Juanita wasn't a porn star right?
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A_Good_Boy
03/28/18 10:13:35 AM
#88:


SageHarpuia posted...
Why would I believe anything a whore said?

Why would you think Trump is telling the truth?
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SageHarpuia
03/28/18 10:15:30 AM
#89:


A_Good_Boy posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
Why would I believe anything a whore said?

Why would you think Trump is telling the truth?

Just because I don't trust whores doesn't mean I do trust the accused.
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GuyCarlPeterson
03/28/18 10:28:35 AM
#90:


gunplagirl posted...
GuyCarlPeterson posted...
She signed a statement saying she didn't sleep with him so either way she is a liar.

The NDA would have said she wouldn't talk about anything that happened between the two parties

Not that she never had a relationship

She signed a statement saying she didn't. Not the NDA. She has flip flopped on did she or didn't she multiple times as well publicly. So anyway you slice it she is a liar.
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spudger
03/28/18 10:29:05 AM
#91:


clearaflagrantj posted...
If Stormy was lying Trump would be tweeting about her nonstop

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stone
03/28/18 10:31:17 AM
#92:


spudger posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
If Stormy was lying Trump would be tweeting about her nonstop

Problem with that is he normally tweets nonstop about both true and false things. So it's hard to tell in that case, but yeah, his silence is very fishy.
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Kineth
03/28/18 10:39:46 AM
#93:


MattSFfrd posted...
_OujiDoza_ posted...
MattSFfrd posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Juanita Broaddrick accuses Clinton of raping her in 1978; Kathleen Willey accuses Clinton of groping her without consent in 1993; and Paula Jones accuses Clinton of exposing himself to her in 1991 and sexually harassing her

literally a two second google search

Neither of those is rape....derp.


holy shit


To quote you earlier. WHO GIVES A SHIT? Get off this Bill Clinton lynching and stick to the topic.
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_RETS_
03/28/18 10:48:26 AM
#94:


She is most likely telling the truth about the relationship/affair in general and embellishing other details for attention and money.

Thing is though, unless Trump did send someone to threaten her or use campaign finance money to pay her off, this doesn't really matter. Everyone knows Trump is a sleazy shit bag. This literally wouldn't change anything.

I don't even care about Clinton getting his fuck on, but he was in a position of elected power when he did it.
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iClockwork
03/28/18 10:59:26 AM
#95:


stone posted...
And to pretend you know that she's fine with it is pulling crap out of you ass, but hey that's all you do so far. "let me counter what you said with something i've been doing myself but let's ignore that"

No see that's the difference.

I don't know the arraignment of his marriage so I pass judgement or make claims against the man for his private affairs when I have no knowledge of them.

You do.
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refmon
03/28/18 10:59:55 AM
#96:


MattSFfrd posted...
i don't think she's lying, but who gives a shit? it was a consensual one time thing years ago. bill clinton literally raped women.

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marc55
03/28/18 11:02:23 AM
#97:


MattSFfrd posted...
_OujiDoza_ posted...
MattSFfrd posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Juanita Broaddrick accuses Clinton of raping her in 1978; Kathleen Willey accuses Clinton of groping her without consent in 1993; and Paula Jones accuses Clinton of exposing himself to her in 1991 and sexually harassing her

literally a two second google search

Neither of those is rape....derp.


holy shit

but ...it isnt rape
is a crime but not rape
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LightHawKnight
03/28/18 11:05:15 AM
#98:


I just find it funny that Trump's lawyer is so bad at being a lawyer, he had to get his own lawyer.
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Bio1590
03/28/18 11:06:03 AM
#99:


GuyCarlPeterson posted...
gunplagirl posted...
GuyCarlPeterson posted...
She signed a statement saying she didn't sleep with him so either way she is a liar.

The NDA would have said she wouldn't talk about anything that happened between the two parties

Not that she never had a relationship

She signed a statement saying she didn't. Not the NDA. She has flip flopped on did she or didn't she multiple times as well publicly. So anyway you slice it she is a liar.

She like immediately said that statement wasn't true and the guy who was her lawyer at the time isn't her lawyer anymore (he also has a shady history).
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HokagoTeaTime
03/28/18 11:23:42 AM
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