Current Events > Why was MGS 4 full of guns?

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Snake gets M4 from Drebin. Snake can get small arms from dead soldiers. He can buy from Drebin. 40 plus different weapons for a stealth game. What was Kojima smoking?
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...they're all full of guns.
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MGS4 was barely a stealth game tbh
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MGS4 was barely a game
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Nanomachines obviously
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I liked playing through it no kill
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Snake is in warzones for the first couple chapters. That's usually where you find lots of guns (not to mention the "War is Everywhere" theme of the story).
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more like they give you a LOT of guns and only like 3-4hours worth of gameplay where you could actually use them. that was the real travesty of that game.

It's a shame the MGS games have so many guns and I almost exclusively use the tranq gun or starting handgun just because that's my preferred style.
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does it really matter? MGS4 was the shittiest game in the series by far. I'm sure even Survive has a better story.

KG536 posted...

What was Kojima smoking?

Makeveli_lives posted...

Nanomachines obviously

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It's in the introductory backstory. Pop culture has glamorized warmongering to the point that it's everyone's favorite pastime, and people are training to become cogs in the perpetual war machine as a hobby because of the media manipulation of the Patriots. The same patriots then flooded the globe was easy access to nanotech enhanced weapons.
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KillCommunism posted...

does it really matter? MGS4 was the shittiest game in the series by far. I'm sure even Survive has a better story.

Nah, I thought the same and then V came.
It took the title.

I loved the variety.
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Because of the online mode.
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GunmaN1905 posted...

KillCommunism posted...

does it really matter? MGS4 was the shittiest game in the series by far. I'm sure even Survive has a better story.

Nah, I thought the same and then V came.
It took the title.

V was a masterpiece compared to 4

V actually had game play
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SoundNetwork posted...

V actually had game play

Go to spot
Kill/Destroy/Fulton Guy/Equipment
Leave

Repeat for like 30 missions, then repeat again but harder for 10 more

KillCommunism posted...

GunmaN1905 posted...

KillCommunism posted...

does it really matter? MGS4 was the shittiest game in the series by far. I'm sure even Survive has a better story.

Nah, I thought the same and then V came.
It took the title.

V was a masterpiece compared to 4

Yea, masterpiece in disappointment category.

Youngster_Joey_ posted...

SoundNetwork posted...

V actually had game play

Go to spot
Kill/Destroy/Fulton Guy/Equipment
Leave

Repeat for like 30 missions, then repeat again but harder for 10 more

MGS4 literally has more varied gameplay. MGSV gets repetitive after 5hours.
There isn't even a proper boss fight and it's MGS game we're talking about.

4 was a masterpiece.

The entire thing was made worth it by chapter 4. The return to moses is a sequence I can play over and over and over.

It makes me want a modern remake of MGS so badly. Keep the script the same, give me updated mechanics and graphics, with more complex environments.

It also gave me the best online experience I've had in MGO. I was a lower tier player and still just loved it. The moses map on TeamSneak was just awesome fun.
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MGS 4 had amazing gameplay that was, unfortunately, only showcased in two acts very well.

MGS V has very mediocre gameplay in comparison, but it's stretched out over the entire game.

People can blame Kojima being "rushed" (lmfao) all they want, the game wasn't going to drastically change by the point it got released. It's a very basic open world game at it's core.

Which, I guess should be expected as it was KJP's first true open world game. But when you realize that like, there isn't really any sort of battles taking place in these occupied countries and how the AI is super fucking basic at the end of the day it makes you appreciate the opening of MGS4 a hell of a lot more.

GunmaN1905 posted...

KillCommunism posted...

GunmaN1905 posted...

KillCommunism posted...

does it really matter? MGS4 was the shittiest game in the series by far. I'm sure even Survive has a better story.

Nah, I thought the same and then V came.
It took the title.

V was a masterpiece compared to 4

Yea, masterpiece in disappointment category.

Youngster_Joey_ posted...

SoundNetwork posted...

V actually had game play

Go to spot
Kill/Destroy/Fulton Guy/Equipment
Leave

Repeat for like 30 missions, then repeat again but harder for 10 more

MGS4 literally has more varied gameplay. MGSV gets repetitive after 5hours.
There isn't even a proper boss fight and it's MGS game we're talking about.

Except you can do those 30 missions a million different ways. Once you deconstruct any game down to it's most basic form anything can sound repetitive
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SoundNetwork posted...

Except you can do those 30 missions a million different ways.

*rolls eyes*

This is the biggest over exaggeration of MGS V. You can get to the objective from different directions, that doesn't mean you can do it a million different ways, especially since there is usually a clear *best way* to do each mission.

Like, I really can't stress enough just how important your map not being fucking boring is in these open world games.

Youngster_Joey_ posted...

SoundNetwork posted...

Except you can do those 30 missions a million different ways.

*rolls eyes*

This is the biggest over exaggeration of MGS V. You can get to the objective from different directions, that doesn't mean you can do it a million different ways, especially since there is usually a clear *best way* to do each mission.

Like, I really can't stress enough just how important your map not being fucking boring is in these open world games.

You sound unimaginative. Game has tons of replay value. Try, you know, not doing the same old boring thing every time
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...

SoundNetwork posted...

Except you can do those 30 missions a million different ways.

*rolls eyes*

This is the biggest over exaggeration of MGS V. You can get to the objective from different directions, that doesn't mean you can do it a million different ways, especially since there is usually a clear *best way* to do each mission.

Like, I really can't stress enough just how important your map not being fucking boring is in these open world games.

I had way more fun with GZ than TPP.
Whenever there's a topic about modern games, I always say that I hate how the devs are trying to force every game into being open world.
It literally ruined many games.

MGSV is bullshit and unfinished garbage. It's by far the worst game in MGS series.

SoundNetwork posted...

You sound unimaginative. Game has tons of replay value. Try, you know, not doing the same old boring thing every time

How about you give me an example of all these different ways to complete missions instead of just going to the tired old "you're not playing it right!" route?

It had around 70, IIRC.

Which is a whole freaking lot but I kind of appreciated it tbh. I mean they even gave us an AN-94, which I always wanted to get my hands on in MGS2.
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Act 1-2 of MGS4 was pure gameplay greatness

I love they went all out with the gun choices and there were actually chances to use them

Compare that to MGS5 where you can solo an entire enemy base with nothing but D-Dog and a tranq gun
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Act 1-2 of MGS4 was pure gameplay greatness

I love they went all out with the gun choices and there were actually chances to use them

Compare that to MGS5 where you can solo an entire enemy base with nothing but D-Dog and a tranq gun

*quiet*

Everyone's dead.

Kojima is a gun enthusiast.
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...

SoundNetwork posted...

You sound unimaginative. Game has tons of replay value. Try, you know, not doing the same old boring thing every time

How about you give me an example of all these different ways to complete missions instead of just going to the tired old "you're not playing it right!" route?

Never said you weren't playing it right @Youngster_Joey_. There is no right or wrong way to play it, which is the point.
There's this one mission where two or three convoys of vehicles were meeting in the same town to have some meeting between the leaders (I forget the specifics). I could have chased each convoy down on my horse and hunted them down one by one. I could have also snuck into their final destination and plan an ambush.
Instead, I had the great idea of setting up mines along their routes. It wasn't able to execute my plan 100% but I still got some hilarious results. I inadvertently discovered my horse has genetically engineered slippery poop that causes trucks to flip over.

The mission itself doesn't sound too interesting on paper (kill nameless guy with gun) but the sandbox game play design allowed me to make the game more interesting. So yeah, you can play any way you want but if you don't allow yourself to have fun then its your own fault.
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Yeah MGSV is only repetitive if you play a super boring playstyle. You could play the same mission dozens of times and beat it a different way each time for most of the missions.

The story is terrible and it makes me sad, but the gameplay is the best in the series.
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metal gun solid 4: guns guns guns
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MGS4 had better gameplay than V. You can only carry two weapons in V while in 4 you have shotguns, rocket launchers, rail gun, all fully customizable and available at your disposal.

Shadow-Moses posted...

MGS4 had better gameplay than V. You can only carry two weapons in V while in 4 you have shotguns, rocket launchers, rail gun, all fully customizable and available at your disposal.

Which made no sense....

I don't understand, wouldn't people complain more if there are actually less guns in the game?
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KillCommunism posted...

Shadow-Moses posted...

MGS4 had better gameplay than V. You can only carry two weapons in V while in 4 you have shotguns, rocket launchers, rail gun, all fully customizable and available at your disposal.

Which made no sense....

Nanomachines, son.

KillCommunism posted...

Shadow-Moses posted...

MGS4 had better gameplay than V. You can only carry two weapons in V while in 4 you have shotguns, rocket launchers, rail gun, all fully customizable and available at your disposal.

Which made no sense....

Who cares?
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KillCommunism posted...

Shadow-Moses posted...

MGS4 had better gameplay than V. You can only carry two weapons in V while in 4 you have shotguns, rocket launchers, rail gun, all fully customizable and available at your disposal.

Which made no sense....

You know what bugs me about this thing I'm doing, where I'm sitting in a room pushing buttons to make lights change in front of my eyes, where a story about clones that aren't clones who supernaturally possess other people (or don't?) to use computers to hack people into feeling dizzy and shoot nukes at AI's while 10-year-old girls save the world with their mad hacking skills?

You can carry four guns instead of two. What madness!
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I loved how if you used the big ass rocket launchers Snake would just throw it away and pull another one out of nowhere.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

I loved how if you used the big ass rocket launchers Snake would just throw it away and pull another one out of nowhere.

That cracked me up so much. I guess those weapons can't be reloaded (easily?) but that was the worst resolution they could have come up with. MGS1: Snake carries 30 missiles. MGS4: Snake carries 30 missile launchers.
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Because a game series that has seemingly been built on the horrors of war, is not above hypocrisy.
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