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sktgamer_13dude 03/23/18 2:25:52 PM #1:	http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/22873852/baseball-players-minors-lose-minimum-wage-protection Minor league baseball players who make as little as $5,500 a season would be stripped of the protection of federal minimum wage laws under a provision in government spending legislation expected to be approved by Congress this week. The "Save America's Pastime Act" is included on page 1,967 of the $1.3 trillion spending bill and appears to pre-empt a lawsuit filed four years ago in U.S. District Court in San Francisco by three players alleging Major League Baseball and its teams violate the Fair Labor Standards Act and state minimum wage and overtime requirements for a work week they estimated at 50-to-60 hours. The provision in the legislation would exempt "any employee employed to play baseball who is compensated pursuant to a contract that provides for a weekly salary for services performed during the league's championship season (but not spring training or the offseason) at a rate that is not less than a weekly salary equal to the minimum wage ... for a workweek of 40 hours, irrespective of the number of hours the employee devotes to baseball related activities." The House approved the spending bill Thursday and the legislation appears likely to be approved by the Senate and signed by President Donald Trump. "Instead of going through the regular committee process where it has a hearing, all of this was done in secret and a in a very rushed manner," Garrett Broshuis, the lawyer for the players, said Thursday. "It's emblematic of how things are getting done in Washington these days, where the people with a lot of money are able to flex their political muscle and make a lot of contributions and get things done in secret that benefit only them." Major League Baseball spent $1.32 million on lobbying expenses in both 2016 and 2017, up from $330,000 in 2015, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. MLB paid $400,000 each of those years to an outside firm, the Duberstein Group, which reported lobbying the House and Senate on the issue, as did MLB's in-house lobbyist. "We aren't billionaire business owners and billionaire team owners," said Broshius, a minor league pitcher from 2004-09 who later became a lawyer. The language in the spending bill is nearly identical to a stand-alone bill introduced in 2016 by Republican Rep. Brett Guthrie of Kentucky and Democratic Rep. Cheri Bustos of Illinois. At the time, the pair said the exemption from minimum wage laws was necessary because without it, minor leagues would have to make cuts that could imperil teams and hurt the economy in cities where they play. While early selections in the annual draft of players residing in the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico, and top amateurs from the rest of the world can command signing bonuses as high as about $8 million under the current rules, monthly minimum salaries for most players on minor league rosters are low: $1,100 at rookie ball and Class A, $1,500 at Double-A and $2,150 at Triple-A. Players also receive a $25 per diem on the road and dinner at the ballpark following games. Teams have spent just under $289 million on signing bonuses for last year's amateur draft picks and about $150 million on international amateurs in the signing period that started July 2. MLB calculates the average monthly salaries last year at $10,000 in Triple-A, $3,000 in Double-A, $1,600 at upper-level Class A and $1,300 at lower-level A-ball. Also the NYTimes link. https://nytimes.com/aponline/2018/03/22/us/ap-bbo-minor-leaguers-no-minimum-wage.html --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:898354257] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote>http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/22873852/baseball-players-minors-lose-minimum-wage-protection <quote>Minor league baseball players who make as little as $5,500 a season would be stripped of the protection of federal minimum wage laws under a provision in government spending legislation expected to be approved by Congress this week. The "Save America's Pastime Act" is included on page 1,967 of the $1.3 trillion spending bill and appears to pre-empt a lawsuit filed four years ago in U.S. District Court in San Francisco by three players alleging Major League Baseball and its teams violate the Fair Labor Standards Act and state minimum wage and overtime requirements for a work week they estimated at 50-to-60 hours. The provision in the legislation would exempt "any employee employed to play baseball who is compensated pursuant to a contract that provides for a weekly salary for services performed during the league's championship season (but not spring training or the offseason) at a rate that is not less than a weekly salary equal to the minimum wage ... for a workweek of 40 hours, irrespective of the number of hours the employee devotes to baseball related activities." The House approved the spending bill Thursday and the legislation appears likely to be approved by the Senate and signed by President Donald Trump. "Instead of going through the regular committee process where it has a hearing, all of this was done in secret and a in a very rushed manner," Garrett Broshuis, the lawyer for the players, said Thursday. "It's emblematic of how things are getting done in Washington these days, where the people with a lot of money are able to flex their political muscle and make a lot of contributions and get things done in secret that benefit only them." Major League Baseball spent $1.32 million on lobbying expenses in both 2016 and 2017, up from $330,000 in 2015, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. MLB paid $400,000 each of those years to an outside firm, the Duberstein Group, which reported lobbying the House and Senate on the issue, as did MLB's in-house lobbyist. "We aren't billionaire business owners and billionaire team owners," said Broshius, a minor league pitcher from 2004-09 who later became a lawyer. The language in the spending bill is nearly identical to a stand-alone bill introduced in 2016 by Republican Rep. Brett Guthrie of Kentucky and Democratic Rep. Cheri Bustos of Illinois. At the time, the pair said the exemption from minimum wage laws was necessary because without it, minor leagues would have to make cuts that could imperil teams and hurt the economy in cities where they play. While early selections in the annual draft of players residing in the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico, and top amateurs from the rest of the world can command signing bonuses as high as about $8 million under the current rules, monthly minimum salaries for most players on minor league rosters are low: $1,100 at rookie ball and Class A, $1,500 at Double-A and $2,150 at Triple-A. Players also receive a $25 per diem on the road and dinner at the ballpark following games. Teams have spent just under $289 million on signing bonuses for last year's amateur draft picks and about $150 million on international amateurs in the signing period that started July 2. MLB calculates the average monthly salaries last year at $10,000 in Triple-A, $3,000 in Double-A, $1,600 at upper-level Class A and $1,300 at lower-level A-ball.</quote> Also the NYTimes link. https://nytimes.com/aponline/2018/03/22/us/ap-bbo-minor-leaguers-no-minimum-wage.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 03/23/18 2:27:55 PM #2:	This doesn't benefit anybody except the 30 assholes who own baseball teams --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:898354384] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote>This doesn't benefit anybody except the 30 assholes who own baseball teams</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 03/23/18 2:30:08 PM #3:	Yeah life for minor leaguers suck. Unless youre a high draft pick or a good international player. Then you have to really work to be able to get any kind of money, and thats if you can be one of the 1,200 best baseball players in MLB (# of people on the 40-man rosters). --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:898354520] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote>Yeah life for minor leaguers suck. Unless youre a high draft pick or a good international player. Then you have to really work to be able to get any kind of money, and thats if you can be one of the 1,200 best baseball players in MLB (# of people on the 40-man rosters).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philoktetes 03/23/18 2:31:11 PM #4:	theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird --- I don't think so, Tim. ~~ Pizza Crew ~~ <cite>Philoktetes posted [p:898354596] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote>theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 03/23/18 2:32:26 PM #5:	Philoktetes posted... theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird I'd much rather see ticket revenue end up in the hands of the guy who I saw hit a sweet dinger than the guy who owns the parent club 200 miles away. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:898354683] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird </quote> I'd much rather see ticket revenue end up in the hands of the guy who I saw hit a sweet dinger than the guy who owns the parent club 200 miles away.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 03/23/18 2:34:02 PM #6:	Philoktetes posted... theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird kicking a ball around This is baseball you troll. They make a LOT of money for 30 groups of owners for not a lot of money. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:898354776] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird</quote> kicking a ball around This is baseball you troll. They make a LOT of money for 30 groups of owners for not a lot of money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 03/23/18 2:37:23 PM #7:	I thought contract labor was already exempt from minimum wage laws. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom http://i.imgur.com/9gYddqW.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:898354991] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote>I thought contract labor was already exempt from minimum wage laws.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DanHarenChamp 03/23/18 2:45:34 PM #8:	Sad and unfortunate, but this is reality. Although I do think its totally possible for MLB teams to spend more on their minor leaguers. If there are 3 main minor leagues, 25 men per team, thats 75 players. If you pay each of em about 50k per year, thats only a total payroll of <3.75 million. Thats slightly more than the average salary for 1 major league player. And MLB has record high revenues these days. Its entirely doable and 50k is a livable wage. --- literally the jags <cite>DanHarenChamp posted [p:898355509] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote>Sad and unfortunate, but this is reality. Although I do think its totally possible for MLB teams to spend more on their minor leaguers. If there are 3 main minor leagues, 25 men per team, thats 75 players. If you pay each of em about 50k per year, thats only a total payroll of <3.75 million. Thats slightly more than the average salary for 1 major league player. And MLB has record high revenues these days. Its entirely doable and 50k is a livable wage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 03/23/18 3:10:34 PM #9:	bump --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:898356994] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twin3Turbo 03/23/18 3:17:16 PM #11:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Philoktetes posted... theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird kicking a ball around This is baseball you troll. They make a LOT of money for 30 groups of owners for not a lot of money. I'll never quite understand this mindset By this logic you basically are saying that anyone that entertains us and doesn't use a "real skill" shouldn't be paid well. "He should be lucky he gets paid at all to sit there and play a piano all day! I have to do REAL work" --- https://i.imgur.com/PHWbltB.gifv <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:898357397] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird</quote> kicking a ball around This is baseball you troll. They make a LOT of money for 30 groups of owners for not a lot of money.</quote> I'll never quite understand this mindset By this logic you basically are saying that anyone that entertains us and doesn't use a "real skill" shouldn't be paid well. "He should be lucky he gets paid at all to sit there and play a piano all day! I have to do REAL work"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 03/23/18 3:19:33 PM #12:	Twin3Turbo posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Philoktetes posted... theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird kicking a ball around This is baseball you troll. They make a LOT of money for 30 groups of owners for not a lot of money. I'll never quite understand this mindset By this logic you basically are saying that anyone that entertains us and doesn't use a "real skill" shouldn't be paid well. "He should be lucky he gets paid at all to sit there and play a piano all day! I have to do REAL work" He just doesn't understand demand. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:898357540] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird</quote> kicking a ball around This is baseball you troll. They make a LOT of money for 30 groups of owners for not a lot of money.</quote> I'll never quite understand this mindset By this logic you basically are saying that anyone that entertains us and doesn't use a "real skill" shouldn't be paid well. "He should be lucky he gets paid at all to sit there and play a piano all day! I have to do REAL work"</quote> He just doesn't understand demand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 03/23/18 3:22:38 PM #13:	Twin3Turbo posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Philoktetes posted... theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird kicking a ball around This is baseball you troll. They make a LOT of money for 30 groups of owners for not a lot of money. I'll never quite understand this mindset By this logic you basically are saying that anyone that entertains us and doesn't use a "real skill" shouldn't be paid well. "He should be lucky he gets paid at all to sit there and play a piano all day! I have to do REAL work" I what? I think these guys should earn a livable wage. Make it livable for a year wherever they live and changes via the CPI. They put in a lot of work and deserve it. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:898357706] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird</quote> kicking a ball around This is baseball you troll. They make a LOT of money for 30 groups of owners for not a lot of money.</quote> I'll never quite understand this mindset By this logic you basically are saying that anyone that entertains us and doesn't use a "real skill" shouldn't be paid well. "He should be lucky he gets paid at all to sit there and play a piano all day! I have to do REAL work"</quote> I what? I think these guys should earn a livable wage. Make it livable for a year wherever they live and changes via the CPI. They put in a lot of work and deserve it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 03/23/18 3:25:56 PM #14:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Twin3Turbo posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Philoktetes posted... theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird kicking a ball around This is baseball you troll. They make a LOT of money for 30 groups of owners for not a lot of money. I'll never quite understand this mindset By this logic you basically are saying that anyone that entertains us and doesn't use a "real skill" shouldn't be paid well. "He should be lucky he gets paid at all to sit there and play a piano all day! I have to do REAL work" I what? I think these guys should earn a livable wage. Make it livable for a year wherever they live and changes via the CPI. They put in a lot of work and deserve it. Whoops. For clarity, it wasn't your post that I meant to quote, it was Philoktetes' post that I meant to quote. --- https://i.imgur.com/PHWbltB.gifv <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:898357916] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird</quote> kicking a ball around This is baseball you troll. They make a LOT of money for 30 groups of owners for not a lot of money.</quote> I'll never quite understand this mindset By this logic you basically are saying that anyone that entertains us and doesn't use a "real skill" shouldn't be paid well. "He should be lucky he gets paid at all to sit there and play a piano all day! I have to do REAL work"</quote> I what? I think these guys should earn a livable wage. Make it livable for a year wherever they live and changes via the CPI. They put in a lot of work and deserve it.</quote> Whoops. For clarity, it wasn't your post that I meant to quote, it was Philoktetes' post that I meant to quote.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 03/23/18 3:30:54 PM #15:	Twin3Turbo posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Twin3Turbo posted... sktgamer_13dude posted... Philoktetes posted... theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird kicking a ball around This is baseball you troll. They make a LOT of money for 30 groups of owners for not a lot of money. I'll never quite understand this mindset By this logic you basically are saying that anyone that entertains us and doesn't use a "real skill" shouldn't be paid well. "He should be lucky he gets paid at all to sit there and play a piano all day! I have to do REAL work" I what? I think these guys should earn a livable wage. Make it livable for a year wherever they live and changes via the CPI. They put in a lot of work and deserve it. Whoops. For clarity, it wasn't your post that I meant to quote, it was Philoktetes' post that I meant to quote. Ahhh. I thought that might have been the case, but I wasnt sure. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:898358193] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>theyre lucky they get paid anything at all for kicking a ball around sports culture is so weird</quote> kicking a ball around This is baseball you troll. They make a LOT of money for 30 groups of owners for not a lot of money.</quote> I'll never quite understand this mindset By this logic you basically are saying that anyone that entertains us and doesn't use a "real skill" shouldn't be paid well. "He should be lucky he gets paid at all to sit there and play a piano all day! I have to do REAL work"</quote> I what? I think these guys should earn a livable wage. Make it livable for a year wherever they live and changes via the CPI. They put in a lot of work and deserve it.</quote> Whoops. For clarity, it wasn't your post that I meant to quote, it was Philoktetes' post that I meant to quote.</quote> Ahhh. I thought that might have been the case, but I wasnt sure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 03/23/18 3:36:11 PM #16:	bump --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:898358505] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 03/23/18 9:12:21 PM #17:	bump --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:898376821] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duwstai 03/23/18 11:13:18 PM #18:	It's absurd that you can just essentially pay someone off to create a bill that allows you to pay your employees less than minimum wage. And no one bats an eye. What a joke. --- balls <cite>Duwstai posted [p:898382781] in MLB minor ... [t:76445329]...</cite> <quote>It's absurd that you can just essentially pay someone off to create a bill that allows you to pay your employees less than minimum wage. And no one bats an eye. What a joke.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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