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BCAM1984
03/22/18 5:04:17 PM
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Should Undergraduate Tuition be free (paid for by tax dollars)?



This is tuition and books. Room and Board would still be a personal expense.
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gbpxl
03/22/18 5:06:41 PM
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Absolutely not. It would bring in a lot of idiots who shouldn't step foot on a college campus, overburden taxpayers, and make the learning process worse.
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Silver Bearings
03/22/18 5:07:40 PM
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There isn't enough taxes in the world that could pay for this.
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emblem boy
03/22/18 5:07:51 PM
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It should be cheaper... Not necessarily free
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thrashmetal14
03/22/18 5:08:43 PM
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gbpxl posted...
Absolutely not. It would bring in a lot of idiots who shouldn't step foot on a college campus, overburden taxpayers, and make the learning process worse.

emblem boy posted...
It should be cheaper... Not necessarily free
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Unsugarized_Foo
03/22/18 5:13:06 PM
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I believe certain degrees should be incentivized

Maybe the government should do something similar to scholarship programs and just pick individuals with certain merits to get a free ride. Dont ask me how. Maybe only have it for when you've done a year or two of college and ready to declare a major.

There's only so many art, psych, sports management, and other oversaturated degrees that are useful.
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_Bones_Zero_
03/22/18 5:13:21 PM
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Am I the only who feels like having a campus for colleges is an outdated idea since you can easily take all of your courses on the internet, including watching recorded lectures and reading online copies of books? Once an infrastructure for online college is set up properly, I don't see any reason not to offer it for free or at least an extremely low fee.
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EndOfDiscOne
03/22/18 5:14:07 PM
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emblem boy posted...
It should be cheaper


Step 1: get rid of FAFSA
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COVxy
03/22/18 5:16:19 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
emblem boy posted...
It should be cheaper


Step 1: get rid of FAFSA


Uh, no.
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Unsugarized_Foo
03/22/18 5:16:24 PM
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_Bones_Zero_ posted...
Am I the only who feels like having a campus for colleges is an outdated idea since you can easily take all of your courses on the internet, including watching recorded lectures and reading online copies of books? Once an infrastructure for online college is set up properly, I don't see any reason not to offer it for free or at least an extremely low fee.


Some of the fancy colleges do that. Its free and if you're comfortable, pay a fee, take a test, and get a diploma
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_Bones_Zero_
03/22/18 5:27:45 PM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
_Bones_Zero_ posted...
Am I the only who feels like having a campus for colleges is an outdated idea since you can easily take all of your courses on the internet, including watching recorded lectures and reading online copies of books? Once an infrastructure for online college is set up properly, I don't see any reason not to offer it for free or at least an extremely low fee.

Another good point. Make it rather difficult, and open source the classes with final exams that you pay for.

This is similar to getting Cisco certifications, I believe.

Another approach I just thought of would be to not have any exams done through the college. Instead of online college being used to determine someone's ability and award degrees for their knowledge, the burden of testing people could be left to private institutions or whatever business is doing the hiring. So let's say you run a bank and want to hire someone who knows banking. You could tell people interested in that career that they need to be able to pass X exam which covers subjects Y and Z. They would get a course schedule designed to teach subjects Y and Z, then they take the exam. The exam could be done by a private testing company, or if your bank is large enough, maybe you have your own specific test for them to take when applying. The applicant takes the exam with the knowledge they've learned, and based on how they do, you can choose whether or not to hire them.

My favorite part about this idea is that it separates the learning from the testing. Too often it seems like students are only focused on getting the degree, not actually learning. This sort of system would incentivize actually learning and understanding subjects because you may be exposed to different exams depending on where you are applying. It also allows a lot more flexibility and efficiency for learning. If you are hiring someone and don't actually care if they've taken an art course, then your exam can ignore that kind of general education (which should be done in elementary school anyway tbh). If you value knowledge of art and history even for an unrelated field like banking, then you're welcome to incorporate those subjects into the application exam and weight their importance as you see fit.

Unsugarized_Foo posted...
_Bones_Zero_ posted...
Am I the only who feels like having a campus for colleges is an outdated idea since you can easily take all of your courses on the internet, including watching recorded lectures and reading online copies of books? Once an infrastructure for online college is set up properly, I don't see any reason not to offer it for free or at least an extremely low fee.


Some of the fancy colleges do that. Its free and if you're comfortable, pay a fee, take a test, and get a diploma

That's awesome to hear. I haven't heard anything about it so I just assumed all of the major colleges didn't want to give away so much information for free when they could charge ridiculous tuition for it. Especially for textbooks which have become so overpriced it's not even funny.
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DoctorVader
03/22/18 5:30:29 PM
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NY State has free college now. It's gonna be a shit fest since anyone under $125k is eligible. It used to be like $30k.
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Master_Bass
03/22/18 5:31:28 PM
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Trade school and colleges should be cheaper, so that more people can go to them. We will benefit from a highly skilled and educated working class.
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r4X0r
03/22/18 5:32:00 PM
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As a strict conservative? In places with sky high taxes? Fuck yeah public universities should be free of cost to students. If you live in California or New Jersey and your family is paying through the teeth in taxes and you're going to do the same if you continue to live there, you've already paid for that public university. A state telling a family that pays $18,000/yr in property taxes and another $20,000 in state income taxes "You want to come to a state university? No problem, just give us $7,000 a year more" is absolutely ridiculous.

In Florida, with no income taxes? No, pay up if you want higher education. In... New York? Your family has already paid enough in taxes to cover your admission to a public school.
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Antifar
03/22/18 5:32:59 PM
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Silver Bearings posted...
There isn't enough taxes in the world that could pay for this.

Free public tuition would cost less than the amount we increased the defense budget by last year
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Unsugarized_Foo
03/22/18 5:33:01 PM
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_Bones_Zero_ posted...
Unsugarized_Foo posted...
_Bones_Zero_ posted...
Am I the only who feels like having a campus for colleges is an outdated idea since you can easily take all of your courses on the internet, including watching recorded lectures and reading online copies of books? Once an infrastructure for online college is set up properly, I don't see any reason not to offer it for free or at least an extremely low fee.

Some of the fancy colleges do that. Its free and if you're comfortable, pay a fee, take a test, and get a diploma

That's awesome to hear. I haven't heard anything about it so I just assumed all of the major colleges didn't want to give away so much information for free when they could charge ridiculous tuition for it. Especially for textbooks which have become so overpriced it's not even funny.


Yeah, I forget where Ive seen it, but its there. People are usually not that dedicated or desperate, so it probably barely happens, if it does. I could see people in India being the biggest benefactors
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COVxy
03/22/18 6:41:25 PM
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_Bones_Zero_ posted...
Am I the only who feels like having a campus for colleges is an outdated idea since you can easily take all of your courses on the internet, including watching recorded lectures and reading online copies of books? Once an infrastructure for online college is set up properly, I don't see any reason not to offer it for free or at least an extremely low fee.


University campuses are a lot more than just schools.
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BlueJester007
03/22/18 6:43:13 PM
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No. But certain degree programs need to be removed in order to get kids to major in something actually useful.
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_Bones_Zero_
03/22/18 6:45:04 PM
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COVxy posted...
_Bones_Zero_ posted...
Am I the only who feels like having a campus for colleges is an outdated idea since you can easily take all of your courses on the internet, including watching recorded lectures and reading online copies of books? Once an infrastructure for online college is set up properly, I don't see any reason not to offer it for free or at least an extremely low fee.


University campuses are a lot more than just schools.

What do you think they have on campuses that students couldn't get elsewhere? Are you talking about research facilities and stuff like that?
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Damn_Underscore
03/22/18 6:45:47 PM
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How much less value can degrees have than they have now?
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COVxy
03/22/18 6:46:13 PM
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_Bones_Zero_ posted...
COVxy posted...
_Bones_Zero_ posted...
Am I the only who feels like having a campus for colleges is an outdated idea since you can easily take all of your courses on the internet, including watching recorded lectures and reading online copies of books? Once an infrastructure for online college is set up properly, I don't see any reason not to offer it for free or at least an extremely low fee.


University campuses are a lot more than just schools.

What do you think they have on campuses that students couldn't get elsewhere? Are you talking about research facilities and stuff like that?


Yes, access to research facilities. Training in actual science, etc...
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Ray-Ray
03/22/18 6:46:22 PM
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knowledge is power

and power isn't cheap
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MedeaLysistrata
03/22/18 6:47:42 PM
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Job training should be free. Knowledge should be free, but getting training in the pursuit of knowledge should cost money- it's a luxury.
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Damn_Underscore
03/22/18 6:50:29 PM
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I wouldn't mind if the government funded certain classes/degrees. So if you wanted to follow a university/government-approved course list to get a degree in engineering for free or very cheap then great. But if you want to take a class in making ice cream, that's on your dime.
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_Bones_Zero_
03/22/18 6:52:57 PM
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COVxy posted...
_Bones_Zero_ posted...
COVxy posted...
_Bones_Zero_ posted...
Am I the only who feels like having a campus for colleges is an outdated idea since you can easily take all of your courses on the internet, including watching recorded lectures and reading online copies of books? Once an infrastructure for online college is set up properly, I don't see any reason not to offer it for free or at least an extremely low fee.


University campuses are a lot more than just schools.

What do you think they have on campuses that students couldn't get elsewhere? Are you talking about research facilities and stuff like that?


Yes, access to research facilities. Training in actual science, etc...

I think those things are important, but why do they have to be connected to a campus?
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COVxy
03/22/18 6:54:22 PM
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_Bones_Zero_ posted...
I think those things are important, but why do they have to be connected to a campus?


Because research facilitates are expensive and necessarily clustered.
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justaguy3492
03/22/18 6:58:56 PM
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_Bones_Zero_ posted...
What do you think they have on campuses that students couldn't get elsewhere? Are you talking about research facilities and stuff like that?


There's also the socialization/networking aspect of college. I mean I went to school for an education, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I didn't have a blast while doing it. I wouldn't condone taking that opportunity away from anyone.
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_____Cait
03/22/18 7:00:06 PM
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College doesnt make someone good at a skill, it just gives them a slip of paper that says they sat through a certian number of classes.
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Third_Eye
03/22/18 7:01:04 PM
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only in america. would they protest education and health but call organized murder heroic
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Link HT
03/22/18 7:01:16 PM
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reading this topic with a european perspective is fucking hysterical

I guess we're all living in some fantasy land
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