Current Events > Democrats cave on DACA - again

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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/378881-democratic-leaders-pull-back-hard-line-immigration-demand

Democratic leaders are backing off of their demand that "Dreamer" protections be a part of the 2018 budget negotiations.

While House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other Democratic leaders had hinged their support for last months budget caps deal on a commitment from Republicans to consider legislation salvaging the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, theyve signaled they wont hold a similar line heading into next weeks expected vote on an omnibus spending bill.

The apparent change in strategy has angered immigrant rights advocates in and out of Congress, who want the minority Democrats to use their rare leverage on the omnibus government funding package among the last must-pass bills of the year to secure protections for the hundreds of thousands of young immigrants who came to the country illegally as children.
We need a budget or spending measure that includes the Dream Act. Punto, Rep. Luis Gutirrez (D-Ill.) said last week.

Democratic leaders have kept the rhetorical heat on Republicans to stage a DACA vote, using every opportunity to press Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) to bring the issue to the floor. But after Senate Democrats were blamed for a brief government shutdown over DACA in January and with Republicans likely needing scores of Democratic votes to pass the omnibus House leaders are not insisting that such a commitment accompany the 2018 spending package.

Instead, Democratic leaders want appropriators in both parties to drop all contentious riders for the sake of easing passage of the omnibus and preventing a government shutdown ahead of March 23, when funding expires.

I think thats probably the best policy for us to do, said Rep. Steny Hoyer (Md.), the Democratic whip. Its also politically the most feasible way to get an omnibus passed.

Hoyer suggested the Democrats most effective tool in moving the Republicans to act on DACA is not withholding omnibus votes, but rousing pressure from the public, which polls show is overwhelmingly opposed to deporting the Dreamers, young undocumented immigrants brought to the country as minors.

Our best leverage is 90 percent of the American people 87 percent think this ought to be done, he said.

Rep. David Cicilline (R.I.), a co-chairman of the Democrats messaging arm, offered a slightly different assessment, predicting the only force likely to move GOP leaders on DACA is pressure from within their own conference.

The only likely scenario is that the Republican members of Congress who claim that they support the Dream Act put pressure on the Speaker to say we need to take some action on this, he said.

Yet Cicilline also acknowledged that Democrats have a unique opportunity to seek concessions on the omnibus, suggesting they should use it to force action on DACA.

There are many of us who think we have to use these moments when the Republicans need Democratic votes on an important piece of legislation to demand that some of our priorities be met, he said. And this is one of them.
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The strategy marks a shift from the debate over the caps deal just a few weeks ago, when Democratic leaders took a dramatic stand in opposing the budget bill to protest the Republicans' continued inaction on DACA. The day before the vote, Pelosi commandeered the chamber floor with a marathon eight-hour speech designed to highlight the Republicans refusal to take up any DACA legislation. The next day, 118 Democrats joined her in opposing a measure that many later hailed as a domestic-policy victory.

The strategic shift hasnt been overlooked by many liberal Democrats, particularly members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, who continue to press party leaders to take a stronger stand on DACA as part of the omnibus debate.

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Rekt
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does no one want da hispanic vote
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Surprising absolutely nobody
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Just treat the "dreamers" as what they actually are: victims of human trafficking.

Fuck Trump playing politics with people's lives.
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Riders are stupid and cause gridlock. Good that they are dropping the DACA demands as it has nothing to do with the budget.
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No surprise.
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Sir Will posted...

Fuck Trump playing politics with people's lives.

Why are you blaming trump for something these people's parents did?

Sir Will posted...

Fuck Trump playing politics with people's lives.

You mean Obama, who unconstitutionally started this shit.
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Maybe the budget bill should be for the budget.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Sir Will posted...

Fuck Trump playing politics with people's lives.

You mean Obama, who unconstitutionally started this shit.

No.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Maybe the budget bill should be for the budget.

This

silentwing26x posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Maybe the budget bill should be for the budget.

This

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iPhone_7 posted...

Maybe the budget bill should be for the budget.

Madness
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iPhone_7 posted...

Maybe the budget bill should be for the budget.

Translation: Fuck em.

You know damn well that a new DACA bill will die without leverage it has in the budget.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Maybe the budget bill should be for the budget.

Translation: Fuck em.

You know damn well that a new DACA bill will die without leverage it has in the budget.

So, you're admitting that's it's only a viable issue when duct-taped to something more important?

Webmaster4531 posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Maybe the budget bill should be for the budget.

Translation: Fuck em.

You know damn well that a new DACA bill will die without leverage it has in the budget.

Translation: illegals are more important than keeping the government running. It is a bad hill to die on.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

So, you're admitting that's it's only a viable issue when duct-taped to something more important?

He's saying the only way to get Republicans to pass it is by using leverage with the budget, as the budget is one of the few things that needs to be passed and requires 60 votes in the Senate
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Questionmarktarius posted...

So, you're admitting that's it's only a viable issue when duct-taped to something more important?

He's 'admitting' Republicans are racist, xenophobic assholes.
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Antifar posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

So, you're admitting that's it's only a viable issue when duct-taped to something more important?

He's saying the only way to get Republicans to pass it is by using leverage with the budget.

This assumes the republicans aren't a bunch of stubborn curmudgeons who are fully willing to take their ball and go home, or some other weak metaphor.

Antifar posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

So, you're admitting that's it's only a viable issue when duct-taped to something more important?

He's saying the only way to get Republicans to pass it is by using leverage with the budget.

That's exactly the kind of thing that has led to MULTIPLE government shutdowns now and a (temporary) degradation in the country's credit rating. It's really not a good thing to promote, because both parties will abuse it for other issues.
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democrats are pretty spineless. they're trying not to make any waves until 2020 and are relying on trump's actions to turn public opinion against him when they should be taking action.
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You want to solve the immigration "problem"? Then make sponsorships vastly easier.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Antifar posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

So, you're admitting that's it's only a viable issue when duct-taped to something more important?

He's saying the only way to get Republicans to pass it is by using leverage with the budget.

This assumes the republicans aren't a bunch of stubborn curmudgeons who are fully willing to take their ball and go home, or some other weak metaphor.

A government shutdown effects both sides. The ball wouldn't go with anyone.
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Sir Will posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

So, you're admitting that's it's only a viable issue when duct-taped to something more important?

He's 'admitting' Republicans are racist, xenophobic assholes.

Being against illegal immigration makes someone racist and xenophobic? Last I checked conservatives were all in favor of legal immigration.

Bullet_Wing posted...

You know damn well that the GOP wouldn't even let the bill get to the floor.

Therefore the best thing to do is say "fuck democracy" and force the issue to shutdown? The answer to "my pet issues aren't the priority of the government in power" isn't to bring the whole country to a standstill... it's to win elections until you're in the majority and then legislate.

This is true for ALL issues across BOTH parties. Nobody was happy when Republicans were willing to shutdown over ACA, nobody should be supporting democracts aiming for shutdown over this.

It's bad politics.
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s0nicfan posted...

That's exactly the kind of thing that has led to MULTIPLE government shutdowns now and a (temporary) degradation in the country's credit rating. It's really not a good thing to promote, because both parties will abuse it for other issues.

Political parties should use their power! That's why they get voted into office!

By not using this opportunity of rare leverage to achieve one of their stated goals, Democrats are signaling that they care less about Dreamers than the optics of a potential shutdown.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

A government shutdown effects both sides. The ball wouldn't go with anyone.

So then, it is some other weak metaphor.

The Democrats don't want it passed because then Trump can take credit for it. The Democrats don't actually give a damn about the DACA illegals, they care about their votes, and the Democrats would rather leave these people out in the cold than risk letting the Republicans get credit for DACA.

Sir Will posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

So, you're admitting that's it's only a viable issue when duct-taped to something more important?

He's 'admitting' Republicans are racist, xenophobic assholes.

Wanting people from other countries who are here illegally to go back to their own country is not racist, xenophobic, or asshole.
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This is why Democrats are viewed as pussies.
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Antifar posted...

s0nicfan posted...

That's exactly the kind of thing that has led to MULTIPLE government shutdowns now and a (temporary) degradation in the country's credit rating. It's really not a good thing to promote, because both parties will abuse it for other issues.

Political parties should use their power! That's why they get voted into office!

By not using this opportunity of rare leverage to achieve one of their stated goals, Democrats are signaling that they care less about Dreamers than the optics of a potential shutdown.

Democrats are signalling that they don't think shutting the entire country down is the right approach to dealing with a priority of theirs. I respect them more as a party for it.
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s0nicfan posted...

Therefore the best thing to do is say "fuck democracy" and force the issue to shutdown? The answer to "my pet issues aren't the priority of the government in power" isn't to bring the whole country to a standstill... it's to win elections until you're in the majority and then legislate.

Our government is structured so that things need 60 votes in the Senate. That's our democracy at work.
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Fuparulez posted...

Wanting people from other countries who are here illegally to go back to their own country is not racist, xenophobic, or asshole.

Wanting children brought to you country with no choice in the matter to return to countries they may not even remember or be able to properly live in, is being an asshole, yes.
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voldothegr8 posted...

You mean Obama, who unconstitutionally started this shit.

There's nothing unconstitutional about the DACA.

Bullet_Wing posted...

Fuparulez posted...

The Democrats don't want it passed because then Trump can take credit for it. The Democrats don't actually give a damn about the DACA illegals, they care about their votes, and the Democrats would rather leave these people out in the cold than risk letting the Republicans get credit for DACA.

What nonsense is this? Trump has already said he won't pass it without his vanity project

The pointless wall costs money, which has to be budgeted.

i mean, it's a shitty scenario regardless

Repubs shut down the government because of healthcare and Dems shat on them for it, so it's a bit hypocritical to do the same for DACA. (I mean, not that hypocritical because healthcare and DACA are actually helping people, so their line of thought is technically consistent. It's just the optics)

They should've at least try to scare them a bit, and demand DACA fix as well as a bill making it so that 3 federal judges need to review the firing of Robert Mueller if the AG tries to fire him.

Maybe they could get one.

But it's unlikely - Republicans are still following the cult of trump. The only ones speaking out about his bullshit are pariahs and the ones who are going to retire.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

A government shutdown effects both sides. The ball wouldn't go with anyone.

So then, it is some other weak metaphor.

You're bad at metaphors...

Victory?
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Sir Will posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

So, you're admitting that's it's only a viable issue when duct-taped to something more important?

He's 'admitting' Republicans are racist, xenophobic assholes.

Cry more, dude.
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s0nicfan posted...

Democrats are signalling that they don't think shutting the entire country down is the right approach to dealing with a priority of theirs.

They already did this, though. Less than two months ago, with the stated purpose of wringing out concessions from the GOP on immigration. They have no problem shutting down the government; they're just quick to fold.
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John_Galt posted...

Sir Will posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

So, you're admitting that's it's only a viable issue when duct-taped to something more important?

He's 'admitting' Republicans are racist, xenophobic assholes.

Cry more, dude.

Considering how easy it is to turn public opinion against DACA recipients when the government shuts down, aka employees not getting paid. It's not a hill to die on especially due to the courts handling most of it.

Legislatively, DACA lost any progressive momentum in November 2016 like with anything else that could actually help this countrt.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

What I'm saying is he's going on about how the democrats don't want Trump getting credit for it, but it's Trump who is creating obstacles.

Quite literally, in the case of that wall.

Antifar posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Democrats are signalling that they don't think shutting the entire country down is the right approach to dealing with a priority of theirs.

They already did this, though. Less than two months ago, with the stated purpose of wringing out concessions from the GOP on immigration. They have no problem shutting down the government; they're just quick to fold.

And they didn't get anything for doing it, AND polls after showed it hurt public perception of them. It's not a good strategy.
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Antifar posted...

s0nicfan posted...

That's exactly the kind of thing that has led to MULTIPLE government shutdowns now and a (temporary) degradation in the country's credit rating. It's really not a good thing to promote, because both parties will abuse it for other issues.

Political parties should use their power! That's why they get voted into office!

By not using this opportunity of rare leverage to achieve one of their stated goals, Democrats are signaling that they care less about Dreamers than the optics of a potential shutdown.

And by forcing it into the budget, Dems are admitting that, just like California, they care more about illegal immigrants than actual American citizens.
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