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saspa
03/17/18 2:14:29 PM
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Who does Captain America give the "no you" speech to?
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3khc
03/17/18 2:16:11 PM
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Parker was pro-reg, but switched to anti-reg after Cap died.
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Foppe
03/17/18 2:19:56 PM
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Parker was so pro-reg so he unmasked himself for the world.
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ScazarMeltex
03/17/18 2:21:05 PM
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If I recall correctly he was pro-reg, unveiled himself as Peter Parker and got the ever living shit kicked out of him, and then realized maybe registration wasn't such a good idea.
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saspa
03/17/18 2:21:54 PM
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Who could even kick spiderman? NO way
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Offworlder1
03/17/18 2:22:04 PM
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Peter was pro registration, revealed his identity, got his aunt killed, and then switched sides.

Moral of the story: Dont reveal your secret identity if your not a rich as fuck person.
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Foppe
03/17/18 2:23:12 PM
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saspa posted...
Who could even kick spiderman? NO way

Everybody he put in jail suddenly know who he and his family are and where they live.
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Offworlder1
03/17/18 2:27:27 PM
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Revealing himself to the world was one of the stupidest things Peter ever did, he has a crap ton of enemies and was hated by some of the people he had to deal with everyday.
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Foppe
03/17/18 2:49:03 PM
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saspa posted...
Who could even kick spiderman? NO way

Basically it was like this:
Spiderman joined the Avengers and became Tony Starks right hand. His wife Mary Jane and Aunt May also worked for Tony, and they moved to one of his skyscrapers.
The Government started to work on a Hero Registration act, and Tony goes to Washington to talk some senses into the politicals, and brings Peter with him. Peter talks to them as Spiderman, but they wont listen because he is masked. Tony gives Peter an Iron Spider suit.
A group of inexperienced heroes causes the destruction of a school, which makes people demand a registration act.
Tony starts pushing a program that would make registred heroes work directly for the Government, and convinces Peter to reveal his secret identity for the world, which he does.
They start working for the Government to hunt down super villains and heroes that dont want to register.
During one of the anti-registration raids, Tony releases a clone of Thor that goes crazy and starts killing heroes. Peter suddenly realize how fucked up things really are, takes his family underground and tells Tony that he quit.
Tony disliked this, so he sends a bunch of super villains under his control after Peter, and they almost beats him to death. He is saved by the Punisher, who brings him to Captain America, and he joins them.
Together they free all captured heroes, and a big battle happen.
Captain America realize that you cant punch a law, so he surrenders and gets shot.
Peter and the rest goes undercover, continuing to fight the good fight together with super villains, and then shit happens and everybody forgot it.
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50Blessings
03/17/18 2:56:11 PM
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Iron Man was made into a straight up villain in the Civil War comic book so Peter switched sides.

It's the reason comic nerds were apprehensive when it was announced to be Cap 3 because Civil War was actually written really really shitty.
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saspa
03/17/18 4:09:27 PM
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Foppe posted...
saspa posted...
Who could even kick spiderman? NO way

Basically it was like this:
Spiderman joined the Avengers and became Tony Starks right hand. His wife Mary Jane and Aunt May also worked for Tony, and they moved to one of his skyscrapers.
The Government started to work on a Hero Registration act, and Tony goes to Washington to talk some senses into the politicals, and brings Peter with him. Peter talks to them as Spiderman, but they wont listen because he is masked. Tony gives Peter an Iron Spider suit.
A group of inexperienced heroes causes the destruction of a school, which makes people demand a registration act.
Tony starts pushing a program that would make registred heroes work directly for the Government, and convinces Peter to reveal his secret identity for the world, which he does.
They start working for the Government to hunt down super villains and heroes that dont want to register.
During one of the anti-registration raids, Tony releases a clone of Thor that goes crazy and starts killing heroes. Peter suddenly realize how fucked up things really are, takes his family underground and tells Tony that he quit.
Tony disliked this, so he sends a bunch of super villains under his control after Peter, and they almost beats him to death. He is saved by the Punisher, who brings him to Captain America, and he joins them.
Together they free all captured heroes, and a big battle happen.
Captain America realize that you cant punch a law, so he surrenders and gets shot.
Peter and the rest goes undercover, continuing to fight the good fight together with super villains, and then shit happens and everybody forgot it.

THe fuck?

I thought/people said comic civil war was the good one
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Foppe
03/17/18 4:10:06 PM
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saspa posted...
Foppe posted...
saspa posted...
Who could even kick spiderman? NO way

Basically it was like this:
Spiderman joined the Avengers and became Tony Starks right hand. His wife Mary Jane and Aunt May also worked for Tony, and they moved to one of his skyscrapers.
The Government started to work on a Hero Registration act, and Tony goes to Washington to talk some senses into the politicals, and brings Peter with him. Peter talks to them as Spiderman, but they wont listen because he is masked. Tony gives Peter an Iron Spider suit.
A group of inexperienced heroes causes the destruction of a school, which makes people demand a registration act.
Tony starts pushing a program that would make registred heroes work directly for the Government, and convinces Peter to reveal his secret identity for the world, which he does.
They start working for the Government to hunt down super villains and heroes that dont want to register.
During one of the anti-registration raids, Tony releases a clone of Thor that goes crazy and starts killing heroes. Peter suddenly realize how fucked up things really are, takes his family underground and tells Tony that he quit.
Tony disliked this, so he sends a bunch of super villains under his control after Peter, and they almost beats him to death. He is saved by the Punisher, who brings him to Captain America, and he joins them.
Together they free all captured heroes, and a big battle happen.
Captain America realize that you cant punch a law, so he surrenders and gets shot.
Peter and the rest goes undercover, continuing to fight the good fight together with super villains, and then shit happens and everybody forgot it.

THe fuck?

I thought/people said comic civil war was the good one

It is superior to the movie.
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BLAKUboy
03/17/18 4:12:22 PM
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saspa posted...
I thought/people said comic civil war was the good one

Last I checked Comic Civil War was pretty unanimously reviled.
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dave_is_slick
03/17/18 4:12:51 PM
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Foppe posted...
It is superior to the movie.

Smells like bullshit to me.
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saspa
03/17/18 4:25:08 PM
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Foppe posted...
saspa posted...
Foppe posted...
saspa posted...
Who could even kick spiderman? NO way

Basically it was like this:
Spiderman joined the Avengers and became Tony Starks right hand. His wife Mary Jane and Aunt May also worked for Tony, and they moved to one of his skyscrapers.
The Government started to work on a Hero Registration act, and Tony goes to Washington to talk some senses into the politicals, and brings Peter with him. Peter talks to them as Spiderman, but they wont listen because he is masked. Tony gives Peter an Iron Spider suit.
A group of inexperienced heroes causes the destruction of a school, which makes people demand a registration act.
Tony starts pushing a program that would make registred heroes work directly for the Government, and convinces Peter to reveal his secret identity for the world, which he does.
They start working for the Government to hunt down super villains and heroes that dont want to register.
During one of the anti-registration raids, Tony releases a clone of Thor that goes crazy and starts killing heroes. Peter suddenly realize how fucked up things really are, takes his family underground and tells Tony that he quit.
Tony disliked this, so he sends a bunch of super villains under his control after Peter, and they almost beats him to death. He is saved by the Punisher, who brings him to Captain America, and he joins them.
Together they free all captured heroes, and a big battle happen.
Captain America realize that you cant punch a law, so he surrenders and gets shot.
Peter and the rest goes undercover, continuing to fight the good fight together with super villains, and then shit happens and everybody forgot it.

THe fuck?

I thought/people said comic civil war was the good one

It is superior to the movie.

Unless you're misrepresenting him, iron man tony stark doesn't sound just evil, he sounds like an asshole, an uncharacteristically evil asshole the likes of which we've never seen
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Offworlder1
03/17/18 4:25:36 PM
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The story of Cap 3s Civil War is much better then the comic version, in the comics Tony is ok at first but then they make him into a villain, Mr. Fantastic is a straight up villain with the negative zone prison he creates.

At the end of the day the movie version of Civil War and Tony are much better and more reasonable then comic version of Civil War and Tony.

Comic version of Tony is not even using kid gloves, he literally treats the heroes against him like mortal enemies and does not hold back. A hero literally dies because Tony is going full force even though these people are not evil villains. Movie version Tony is way kinder, using kid gloves(both sides are), and is mot trying to kill anyone.
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DarkChozoGhost
03/17/18 4:43:24 PM
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If that post is accurate, the comic version is much worse than the movie.
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Foppe
03/17/18 4:46:18 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
If that post is accurate, the comic version is much worse than the movie.

That was just a small part of the comic version.
It was running for years with a real war going on, not sub-dozen guys fighting at an empty airport.
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saspa
03/17/18 4:47:20 PM
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I thought norman osborne was the worst thing to happen to the avengers but it seems like he fits right at home with tony stark's doings.
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Zikten
03/17/18 4:50:04 PM
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the comic was much larger scale. it involved like 100 characters or more. the movie is just about like 20 people having a private feud. the comic involved the US government officially declaring war on heroes who wouldn't register. the stories are also different. the reason for the fighting is different. the movie was just about Cap not wanting a friend arrested. the comic was about a disagreement over a law. and Cap is more selfless in the comic. he has no reason to fight in the comic, other than he thinks its the right thing to do. in the comic, Cap actually has no stake in the debate. he just feels morally needed to protect people. he doesn't even have a secret identity, which is what the fight is about. Cap was 100% the hero and good guy in the comic, which is why the ending is such shit

Cap sees some people in rubble after a fight and then gets guilty and surrenders. bull shit.
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DarkChozoGhost
03/17/18 4:50:36 PM
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Foppe posted...
DarkChozoGhost posted...
If that post is accurate, the comic version is much worse than the movie.

That was just a small part of the comic version.
It was running for years with a real war going on, not sub-dozen guys fighting at an empty airport.

But Stark sounds like he was awful.

I'll make a separate statement. If the comic version of Civil War is bad, it is much worse than the movie.
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Zikten
03/17/18 4:52:19 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
But Stark sounds like he was awful.

he redeems himself in Civil War 2. he is the leader of the good guys and he fights Carol Danvers who takes the role of the villain this time. Marvel wanted to make up for what they did to Tony in the first Civil War
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Foppe
03/17/18 4:52:30 PM
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Tony Stark have always been awful.
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Akagami_Shanks
03/17/18 4:55:36 PM
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Peter was peer pressured into going pro registration, Stark orchestrates an attack on himself to make the anti-registration side look bad (Peter figures this out and starts to become disillusioned), as they're hunting heroes he finds out where they're put and how they're treated, and talks to Cap after meeting him, switches sides, Aunt May gets shot, then he goes after Kingpin and beats his ass in the maximum security prison and Spider-Man One More Day happens
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Sada_Pop
03/17/18 5:04:28 PM
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Zikten posted...
the movie was just about Cap not wanting a friend arrested


I suggest you re-watch the film.
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Zikten
03/17/18 5:04:51 PM
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Sada_Pop posted...
Zikten posted...
the movie was just about Cap not wanting a friend arrested


I suggest you re-watch the film.

I will if you read the comic
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tremain07
03/17/18 5:14:30 PM
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I remember apparently Marvel's writers were having a personal problem with each other over where to take the civil war story which resulted in that cluster fuck. Then I remember people really mad at Ms.Marvel, Carol because of some shit in civil war 2, then I remember people being angry at Dr.strange, Mr. Fantastic, Iron Man and Prof.X for World War Hulk and finally, something about avengers and x-men fighting and another thing about scott summers, Cyclops.

Honestly, between the political pandering and these stupid wars the heroes keep giving each other, it's a wonder Marvel's universe has villains at all. Let alone readers.
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a42ozslushie
03/17/18 5:19:36 PM
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That movie wasnt very good.
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alt_no_1_loves
03/17/18 5:22:32 PM
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50Blessings posted...
Iron Man was made into a straight up villain in the Civil War comic book so Peter switched sides.

It's the reason comic nerds were apprehensive when it was announced to be Cap 3 because Civil War was actually written really really shitty.

And Civil War turned out to be a fucking stupid movie, so hey they were right!

"The Avengers need to be held accountable for the damage and civilian casualties they caused in New York and DC! They shoulda stayed out of it and allowed us to nuke the entire city, and allowed Hydra to blast thousands of people from orbit and take over the US government!"
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JE19426
03/17/18 5:33:01 PM
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The comic book civil war was a cluster fuck. To give just one example take the registration act. Whether or not people support is basically the defining point of the arc. The thing is none of the writers agreed on what exactly it was.

For some writers some it meant you had to be registered and trained to be a super hero. For others it meant you had to be registered and trained if you had super powers whether or not you were a super hero. For others still you had to work for the government or be excused by them.
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pegusus123456
03/17/18 5:44:09 PM
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I never read the main Civil War comics, but there's an issue of the Runaways where they're hunted down by Iron Man. One of the Runaways is a ten-year-old girl (or somewhere in that age-group) while the rest are 14-16.

So yeah, Tony might be an asshole.
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Tyranthraxus
03/17/18 5:45:30 PM
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Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 is the superior Civil War story despite literally "Nanomachines, son." Tier plot.
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nevershine
03/17/18 5:47:33 PM
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Member when Parker almost got ded, but punisher saved him?
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AlecSkorpio
03/17/18 5:52:28 PM
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nevershine posted...
Member when Parker almost got ded, but punisher saved him?


Punisher and Ben Grimm were the only guys who were right in that whole cluster fuck tbqh.
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Zikten
03/17/18 7:01:21 PM
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AlecSkorpio posted...
nevershine posted...
Member when Parker almost got ded, but punisher saved him?


Punisher and Ben Grimm were the only guys who were right in that whole cluster fuck tbqh.

Punisher killed some villains who agreed to work with Cap. Punisher walks in the room, sees some villains talking to Cap, and pulls out a gun and shoots them insantly right in front of Cap. and then Cap screamed at him and told him to fuck off.
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Knowledge_King
03/17/18 7:43:29 PM
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Comics Civil War is garbage. Not even touching the movie.
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saspa
03/18/18 11:18:42 PM
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Zikten posted...
the comic was much larger scale. it involved like 100 characters or more. the movie is just about like 20 people having a private feud. the comic involved the US government officially declaring war on heroes who wouldn't register. the stories are also different. the reason for the fighting is different. the movie was just about Cap not wanting a friend arrested. the comic was about a disagreement over a law. and Cap is more selfless in the comic. he has no reason to fight in the comic, other than he thinks its the right thing to do. in the comic, Cap actually has no stake in the debate. he just feels morally needed to protect people. he doesn't even have a secret identity, which is what the fight is about. Cap was 100% the hero and good guy in the comic, which is why the ending is such shit

Cap sees some people in rubble after a fight and then gets guilty and surrenders. bull shit.

I thought he was shot. Also how does that sway him when something like that has happened before and has no bearing on someone registering. Also it sounds like they took xmen's shtick and applied it to the avengers.
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AlecSkorpio
03/18/18 11:20:32 PM
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Zikten posted...
Punisher killed some villains who agreed to work with Cap. Punisher walks in the room, sees some villains talking to Cap, and pulls out a gun and shoots them insantly right in front of Cap. and then Cap screamed at him and told him to fuck off.


Yeah, but the idea that you don't let villains become "heroes" was right, as that directly lead to Norman Osborn getting control of SHIELD.
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I_Stay_Noided
03/18/18 11:21:37 PM
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the civil war comic is objectively trash
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Zikten
03/18/18 11:36:17 PM
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saspa posted...
Zikten posted...
the comic was much larger scale. it involved like 100 characters or more. the movie is just about like 20 people having a private feud. the comic involved the US government officially declaring war on heroes who wouldn't register. the stories are also different. the reason for the fighting is different. the movie was just about Cap not wanting a friend arrested. the comic was about a disagreement over a law. and Cap is more selfless in the comic. he has no reason to fight in the comic, other than he thinks its the right thing to do. in the comic, Cap actually has no stake in the debate. he just feels morally needed to protect people. he doesn't even have a secret identity, which is what the fight is about. Cap was 100% the hero and good guy in the comic, which is why the ending is such shit

Cap sees some people in rubble after a fight and then gets guilty and surrenders. bull shit.

I thought he was shot. Also how does that sway him when something like that has happened before and has no bearing on someone registering. Also it sounds like they took xmen's shtick and applied it to the avengers.

He is shot in Trial of Captain America. Which is after Civil War. He is walking down the steps of the courthouse and a sniper shoots him
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nevershine
03/18/18 11:41:03 PM
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Wait, was it Thor that was the robot clone
Or was it Hercules?
Or was it Hercules that destroyed the robot clone?
I can't remember

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03/18/18 11:42:27 PM
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Dragonblade01
03/18/18 11:49:30 PM
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Nobody liked Civil War. It was a fucking mess of a storyline that lasted way too long and made everyone think Marvel was all about "superheroes vs superheroes" for a while.

The only people who were excited for the MCU adaptation were the people who didn't know better.
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Zikten
03/19/18 12:02:05 AM
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DirkDiggles posted...
THe movie sucked because no Xmen.

the xmen were barely involved in the comics. they had their own shit going on, and they are already oppressed and hunted. Civil War didn't really effect their lives
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DirkDiggles
03/19/18 12:06:58 AM
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Zikten posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
THe movie sucked because no Xmen.

the xmen were barely involved in the comics. they had their own shit going on, and they are already oppressed and hunted. Civil War didn't really effect their lives


Storm, Wolvie, Cable, and Bishop had some decent size roles if I remember correctly.
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saspa
03/20/18 4:11:53 PM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
Nobody liked Civil War. It was a fucking mess of a storyline that lasted way too long and made everyone think Marvel was all about "superheroes vs superheroes" for a while.

The only people who were excited for the MCU adaptation were the people who didn't know better.

Superhero vs superhero storylines can be good. But supervillain vs supervillain is way way better, and are always much more fun to watch.
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