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Zikten 03/15/18 8:35:55 PM #51: |
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Funbazooka 03/15/18 8:44:35 PM #52: |
MutantJohn posted...
Is it really that bad if they say it's not accurate and doesn't reflect reality? I mean, they're certainly not purporting it as truth. Selective historical revisionism that doesn't serve to improve game-play or entertainment value. It's purely for virtue signalling. I mean we're not talking about your typical more or less accurate medieval setting and adding dragons and magical spells and what-not, for example. This is different. --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skye Reynolds 03/15/18 8:49:22 PM #53: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Skye Reynolds posted..."Even though it is historically inaccurate, the team felt it was not necessary to prioritize historical sexism over inclusive gameplay." I know. I just find it hilariously pretentious on their part. At least they had a disclaimer, but still. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 03/15/18 8:56:27 PM #54: |
Funbazooka posted...
Selective historical revisionism that doesn't serve to improve game-play or entertainment value. It's purely for virtue signalling. But they are clearly stating their revision as to not push alternative facts in their educational mode. And apparently they think having men and women happily interacting together serves their entertainment value as the series has always been big on inclusivity. They've had a disclaimer at the beginning of AC games since Day 1. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cookie Bag 03/15/18 8:58:25 PM #55: |
I just find it weird that for an educational purposes only mode, they would go for historical revisionism like that.
Sure, cities and events are different, that's a staple with AC like people said, but they make this mode specifically to teach people about history, but still keep those inaccuracies? it's just weird. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 03/15/18 9:08:41 PM #56: |
Cookie Bag posted...
I just find it weird that for an educational purposes only mode, they would go for historical revisionism like that. As far as I know they haven't changed anything about the open world. I'm sure the mode points out several inaccuracies they made thanks to the games design. There would be a lot of them. It's not really meant to be a history simulator. Remember how AC had that thing where you could get info about a specific building? It's basically a mode based around that which isn't worried about being a part of the animus canon. So they actually can go into detail about stuff they changed for the sake of the game. --- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funbazooka 03/15/18 9:23:55 PM #57: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Funbazooka posted...Selective historical revisionism that doesn't serve to improve game-play or entertainment value. It's purely for virtue signalling. How does it make it entertaining? To a few? No one needs to be pandering and encouraging the regressive left minority. And if "inclusivity" means sacrificing historical fact... it just isn't worth it. That's a step too far no matter how noble and virtuous you believe you are. It's a totally warped sense of priorities. --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 03/15/18 9:27:42 PM #58: |
Funbazooka posted...
And if "inclusivity" means sacrificing historical fact... it just isn't worth it. That's a step too far no matter how noble and virtuous you believe you are. It's a totally warped sense of priorities. Guess they better ditch additional language options for the dialogue and voice acting then --- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skye Reynolds 03/15/18 9:49:41 PM #59: |
I mean, as long as they let it be known that it isn't accurate, there's not much of a problem. It's just funny that they describe it in such pretentious terms.
Besides, I doubt women or girls are gonna be more likely to play the game specifically because girls were included in the pottery. It's there to be virtue signalling. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Schwarber 03/15/18 11:34:09 PM #60: |
Funbazooka posted...
hockeybub89 posted...Funbazooka posted...Selective historical revisionism that doesn't serve to improve game-play or entertainment value. It's purely for virtue signalling. Why the fuck are you virtue signaling over a game you haven't and won't play? Your partisan hackery is sad. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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refmon 03/15/18 11:36:53 PM #61: |
SJWS are literally rewriting history
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Skye Reynolds 03/16/18 12:16:34 AM #62: |
refmon posted...
SJWS are literally rewriting history At least they're acknowledging that they're rewriting history. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA 03/16/18 12:42:01 AM #63: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Don't see what the issue is. If you cared this much about them commenting on game play changes meant to suit a modern audience then you wouldn't be playing a game starring a virtual reality assassin that regularly makes 5 story jumps into hay bails and wields a flaming sword. Damn you don't have to put them on blast like dat... --- Kill anyone who gets in the way... Actually nevermind that... JUST KILL EVERYONE! - Kyojiro Kagenuma - WoTS 2 PSN:kingmalak ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hexenherz 03/16/18 5:25:58 PM #64: |
MutantJohn posted...
Is it really that bad if they say it's not accurate and doesn't reflect reality? I mean, they're certainly not purporting it as truth. It really comes off as fake and forced. Which is annoying in itself when an individual does it, but it's even more frustrating when it's a company doing it, since... you know, they're generating money from it. --- RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC / 84/99 Fishing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 03/16/18 5:35:51 PM #65: |
They're taking artistic licence to appeal to a wider fanbase, while also making sure to inform viewers how their changes are inaccurate from a historical context.
Not sure i see the problem. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hexenherz 03/16/18 5:38:10 PM #66: |
Sphyx posted...
They're taking artistic licence to appeal to a wider fanbase, while also making sure to inform viewers how their changes are inaccurate from a historical context. It's just blatant emotional manipulation for the sake of turning a profit. It's the manifestation of corporate interest in a product meant for personal entertainment and it's not done in an entertaining or subtle manner. --- RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC / 84/99 Fishing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 03/16/18 5:42:12 PM #67: |
Let's be fair here, were we really expecting anything else from this game?
Even with these sort of historical inaccuracies, these games are insanely educational for those willing to do the reading. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dave_is_slick 03/16/18 5:45:06 PM #68: |
Which tour was this on? I've only done the first one.
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spikethedevil 03/16/18 5:46:48 PM #69: |
refmon posted...
SJWS are literally rewriting history Literally doesn't mean what you think it means. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Samurontai 03/16/18 5:48:57 PM #70: |
Hang on guys, let me pretend to be outraged over something as dumb as this please
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hockeybub89 03/16/18 5:53:18 PM #71: |
Hexenherz posted...
Sphyx posted...They're taking artistic licence to appeal to a wider fanbase, while also making sure to inform viewers how their changes are inaccurate from a historical context. No one ever thought twice about it until Ubisoft made an educational mode and made sure to clear up their historical inaccuracies. Ubisoft also placed dye mixing facilities inside Alexandria when they were historically outside of Alexandria. The horror. "Boys and girls didn't really learn together and no one noticed. Now we're letting you know the truth in our educational mode. Did you also know Egyptians didn't speak English and there were no Medjay in 40 BC? Cleopatra was ugly too!" --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hexenherz 03/16/18 6:30:50 PM #73: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Hexenherz posted...Sphyx posted...They're taking artistic licence to appeal to a wider fanbase, while also making sure to inform viewers how their changes are inaccurate from a historical context. But they could have... you know... not included the historical inaccuracy. Or have it, but not draw pointless attention to it, since I don't think people would scrutinize a detail like that in a game. --- RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC / 84/99 Fishing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 03/16/18 6:34:18 PM #75: |
Hexenherz posted...
But they could have... you know... not included the historical inaccuracy. hockeybub has gone into this already. They're in it to make money primarily, and also to entertain. You're going to have a hard time doing either of those making a game that people can't understand and which isn't very fun due to being a stickler for historical accuracy. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hexenherz 03/16/18 6:35:46 PM #76: |
Sphyx posted...
Hexenherz posted...But they could have... you know... not included the historical inaccuracy. p. sure people can understand kids playing a game together. --- RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC / 84/99 Fishing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hexenherz 03/16/18 6:36:37 PM #77: |
shockthemonkey posted...
Hexenherz posted...hockeybub89 posted...Hexenherz posted...Sphyx posted...They're taking artistic licence to appeal to a wider fanbase, while also making sure to inform viewers how their changes are inaccurate from a historical context. I mean I'm not really upset about it, I just think it was a dumb thing. --- RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC / 84/99 Fishing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 03/16/18 6:39:32 PM #79: |
Hexenherz posted...
p. sure people can understand kids playing a game together. I was referring to the historical inaccuracy of speaking the wrong language, which should surely be a bigger deal than this. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 03/16/18 6:40:03 PM #80: |
Cookie Bag posted...
The funny thing is that if they never pointed it out, no one would've given a shit, no one would've noticed that boys and girls being in the same classroom wasn't historically accurate, but at least they let you know its not, but they rather not piss people off! Which is why this is totally insincere. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Schwarber 03/16/18 6:41:42 PM #82: |
27_Sandman_40 posted...
Can't acknowledge historical fact cuz it's offensive. Liberal logic 101 da fuck --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dave_is_slick 03/16/18 6:43:55 PM #84: |
Sphyx posted...
Hexenherz posted...p. sure people can understand kids playing a game together. The Animus is translating it though. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 03/16/18 6:45:53 PM #86: |
Hexenherz posted...
hockeybub89 posted...Hexenherz posted...Sphyx posted...They're taking artistic licence to appeal to a wider fanbase, while also making sure to inform viewers how their changes are inaccurate from a historical context. But their games are full of historical inaccuracies and not pointing them out would have defeated the purpose of the Discovery Tour mode, which is educational and separate from the main game. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 03/16/18 6:47:47 PM #87: |
darkjedilink posted...
Cookie Bag posted...The funny thing is that if they never pointed it out, no one would've given a shit, no one would've noticed that boys and girls being in the same classroom wasn't historically accurate, but at least they let you know its not, but they rather not piss people off! What does sincerity have to do with anything? They're just making sure people know the truth. Imagine if a game included an educational mode and didn't mention inaccuracies. CE would still be screaming about historical revision, except it would actually have merit. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 03/16/18 6:48:54 PM #89: |
dave_is_slick posted...
The Animus is translating it though. Good point. Probably the one time anyone wants to acknowledge the Animus is a thing, lol. I guess it doesn't explain the other inaccuracies to people who are being purists about it though, unless the Animus is altering... *thinks* Huh. You know what? It's not the game dev's fault, it's that fucking ANIMUS doing all this! EDIT: And, since the Animus was made by Abstergo... --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 03/16/18 6:50:17 PM #90: |
27_Sandman_40 posted...
shockthemonkey posted...27_Sandman_40 posted...Schwarber posted...27_Sandman_40 posted...Can't acknowledge historical fact cuz it's offensive. Liberal logic 101 No they didn't. It's mandatory curriculum. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 03/16/18 7:01:10 PM #95: |
27_Sandman_40 posted...
that doesnt even make sense as a joke Neither do you. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hexenherz 03/16/18 7:06:03 PM #98: |
shockthemonkey posted...
Hexenherz posted...shockthemonkey posted...Hexenherz posted...hockeybub89 posted...Hexenherz posted...Sphyx posted...They're taking artistic licence to appeal to a wider fanbase, while also making sure to inform viewers how their changes are inaccurate from a historical context. Eh it might not carry through text that well, but I'm just explaining the logic behind why people disagree with the inclusion of the material. At any rate it also means I'm not doing a very good job explaining my viewpoint if you think that is "mental gymnastics". --- RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC / 84/99 Fishing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hexenherz 03/16/18 7:08:43 PM #99: |
hockeybub89 posted...
darkjedilink posted...Cookie Bag posted...The funny thing is that if they never pointed it out, no one would've given a shit, no one would've noticed that boys and girls being in the same classroom wasn't historically accurate, but at least they let you know its not, but they rather not piss people off! Eh, no one would really have noticed. There would literally be a lot more posts saying "lol who cares" than in this topic imo. If the kids were playing with PSPs or something then yeah that would be annoying, otherwise I think that's a far more subtle approach. I guess my point there is that people would see children playing and think "Oh, so children passed their time by chasing chickens in the streets" or whatever as opposed to "Oh, so boys AND girls played!". --- RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC / 84/99 Fishing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 03/16/18 7:10:14 PM #100: |
Hexenherz posted...
hockeybub89 posted...darkjedilink posted...Cookie Bag posted...The funny thing is that if they never pointed it out, no one would've given a shit, no one would've noticed that boys and girls being in the same classroom wasn't historically accurate, but at least they let you know its not, but they rather not piss people off! They're literally telling you that boys and girls did NOT learn together. You know, for accuracy's sake. Maybe you missed the memo, but this is not in the base game. There is no codex at all actually. This was in their Discovery Tour, which is designed to teach real history, so they pointed out their fake history. There are numerous Behind the Scenes entries like this in the mode, where it is explained how Ubisoft made something up for the game. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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