Current Events > Do you agree with this article on tipping? (Buzzfeed)

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fenderbender321 posted...

In the restaurants I've worked at, the attractive people tend to be the harder workers. It's easier to have a positive attitude and be energetic at work when you feel good about how you look.

So this could easily be a thing where correlation doesn't equal causation.

So ugly people just don't work hard? Black people don't work hard? Alrighty then.

fenderbender321 posted...

Define "unfair". Who is it unfair to, exactly?

The customer, who has the option to control how much and if they tip? (and yes, they DO have that option even if it does come with an extremely minor drawback, so let's not go down that route).

The server, who is happy to earn tips?

I'm just trying to figure out who is getting screwed here....because I see nothing.

http://www.businessinsider.com/pretty-waitresses-earn-bigger-tips-from-women-2015-9

https://psmag.com/economics/attractive-servers-get-bigger-tips

https://psmag.com/economics/racism-black-restaurant-waiters-service-industry-servers-get-smaller-tips-90121

Plus customers who feel forced to tip higher and higher amounts or be seen as human garbage for not kowtowing to this ridiculous system. Yes, shame is a strong compelling force. You cannot pretend that tipping is an option while also threatening to fuck with people's food and publicly humiliate them. Will those things actually happen? Apparently enough times to make people think twice about not tipping, even for rotten service. Often I'll see someone leaving a bad review for a place and ending that review with something along the lines of, "we left our 20% and made sure to never return there again".

It used to be the case where 10% was considered an acceptable tip, then it became 15%, now it's 20% and even that is being left in the dust in favor of higher amounts. Someone needs to tell these idiots that percentages automatically scale with inflation. Plus people are saying you must now tip on takeout, even though they're serving you just like a McDonald's at that point. Guaranteed, people would be overall paying less in a non-tipping system and pay would be more equalized among workers and all you non-minority prettyboys and prettygirls can go modeling or whatever your good looks and non-minorityness hard work and hard work alone could fetch higher pay that way.
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Shame on anyone who lets the threat of food being messed with force their hand on a tip. Ive lowered and even not given a tip for below average to flat out poor service. It also almost guarantees that I wont be back to that restaurant. If the server is really bad at a restaurant you really like speak to the manager. Good restaurants will deal with it.

Of course I do. That said I regularly socialize with other people, am not a cheap piece of shit, and am not an edgy teenager (or early 20s as it seems they're becoming slower and slower in development).
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Hicks233 posted...

It's been a decade since I was in the US and my memory is fuzzy. Can people that have eaten in different countries give an idea of whether food (eating out) is cheaper in the US? I'm wondering if by comparison the US under or overpays and if that 15% would be a lot or not.

I just got back from England last summer and the food was amazing and seemed a little bit more expensive but my colleagues had to remind me not to tip. I think I would pay a little more for food that was delicious and not stress for tipping.
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Yeah, I guess tipping should remain optional but I always tip.
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*tips people who walk 10 feet to give you a plate of food*
*doesn't tip people who works overtime saving human lives*

Never change America
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Anisoptera posted...

It's a cultural practice. All because you are against tipping you aren't to abolish tipping by not tipping. If you're in Japan you don't tip. If you're in America you tip 20%

only cheapskates tip 20%

monday 27% minimum
tuesday 24% minimum
wednesay 21% minimum
thursday 20.89% minimum
friday 22% minimum
sat & sun 29.7% minimum

you can tip 20% but people will consider you a dick
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fenderbender321 posted...

15-20% is considered a generous tip among servers. As a server, I can honestly say that there's absolutely no need to tip more than that, unless you really like doing it...and that it wouldn't be the end of the world for anyone if people started tipping just a tad less than the average amount today.

Also, I've read studies that suggest that the reason why tipping is a thing in American culture is because people *like* to tip. It makes people feel good. Let's not take away something that makes people feel good and is multi-beneficial.

in some cultures people feel good oppressing women
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Most of the reason why I'd leave bad/no tip is more or less on the bar/kitchen for either taking forever or screwing up my order.

All the waiter needs to do is make sure my water class doesn't go empty and be available when I'm ready to ask for the bill
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I tip 20% because tbh, it's a fucking ransom. People get really pissy if you tip bad even though there's no BS minimum tip wage laws here and everybody gets paid $13.5/hour.
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LockeMonster posted...

I tip 20% because tbh, it's a fucking ransom. People get really pissy if you tip bad even though there's no BS minimum tip wage laws here and everybody gets paid $13.5/hour.

aye its bullshit.
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I pretty much consider a 20% tip as part of the cost of the meal, not "extra". That being said, I have absolutely no problem leaving no tip if the waiter is really shitty. Both times I've done that it was very much warranted and I felt great doing it.
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goddamn that article is insufferable i literally had to stop at #8. "Okay, but my server really DID do a horrible job, and if I tip them, they'll never learn to do better." Literally trying to coerce you into tipping even if the service was bad
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fenderbender321 posted...

Ludwig Von 2 posted...

If the service was slow then bad tip. Tip literally stands for to insure promptness. If they aint prompt they get bad tip.

I look at the whole package. If it's busy and my server is clearly working hard and I can see that, then I'm going to be more lenient for slow service. Also, a good, welcoming, personality that seems to actually *want* to ensure his guests have a good time can go a long way toward making up for a bit of slowness.

But otherwise, I agree. Get your ass in gear and get my stuff.

This. I dont get why some people are so mentally weak they cannot look at multiple factors.

Considering the amount of people who worked for Buzzfeed likely heavily overlaps with the people who worked for Starbucks, it's not surprising they wrote this.

Art degrees, m i rite?!
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fenderbender321 posted...

What you're saying you have a problem with is the will of free people. A will that has resulted in a livable wage for servers and other professions everywhere. Why is that?

Do I need to tip you in order for you to read the fucking articles I have posted?
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fenderbender321 posted...

ModLogic posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

15-20% is considered a generous tip among servers. As a server, I can honestly say that there's absolutely no need to tip more than that, unless you really like doing it...and that it wouldn't be the end of the world for anyone if people started tipping just a tad less than the average amount today.

Also, I've read studies that suggest that the reason why tipping is a thing in American culture is because people *like* to tip. It makes people feel good. Let's not take away something that makes people feel good and is multi-beneficial.

in some cultures people feel good oppressing women

Okay, so that is an example of people feeling good at the expense of others. If a person tips and feels good about it, who is that coming at the expense of?

the people who aren't falling for the tip scam
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fenderbender321 posted...

1337toothbrush posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

What you're saying you have a problem with is the will of free people. A will that has resulted in a livable wage for servers and other professions everywhere. Why is that?

Do I need to tip you in order for you to read the fucking articles I have posted?

I'm not debating the people who wrote those articles.

Do you not know what evidence is? Does all that physical hard work you do leave no room for a mental workout?
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fenderbender321 posted...

Absolutely wrong. Stop feeling like a victim.

Irony of ironies. You're the biggest one (if not the only one) claiming to be a victim in this topic if the practice of tipping is taken away.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

>raise wages
>raise prices by ~15% to reflect the raise in wages
>tipping topics cease to exist

Best timeline

You'd have to raise prices by around 25% just to cover the wage increases, then 15% on top of that.
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fenderbender321 posted...

1337toothbrush posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Absolutely wrong. Stop feeling like a victim.

Irony of ironies. You're the biggest one (if not the only one) claiming to be a victim in this topic if the practice of tipping is taken away.

Losing out on the opportunity for me to make more money *does* make me a victim.

ModLogic is trying to victimize himself by saying "other people might be slightly bothered by me keeping more money for myself".

Similar to how politicians are victims if we were to reform the bribery lobby system. You're making more money at the cost of others. ModLogic is just pointing out how shitty the system of tipping is. I generally pay a 20% tip, but I'd much rather they just raise all the prices by 20%. If that means people who would have cheapened out on tipping stop going, then so be it. That just means everyone else doesn't have to subsidize them or get made out to be the worst people ever. It also means I don't have my meal repeatedly interrupted by some fuck who thinks hovering around my table to ask me if I'm enjoying meal is "great service". In fact, what even is the point in asking? If you send food back, you're also looked upon as a piece of shit.

It's a lose-lose situation and the only winners are scumbag employers who get away with paying employees less and the other winners are people like you who think you're getting high tips solely based off of hard work even though I have posted evidence to the contrary. Nobody "enjoys" tipping like you claim except stupid fucks with some sort of superiority complex who think they're like a king because they can write a tip at the end of a meal. Most people either hate having to figure out some stupid tip at the end of a meal or they just put up with it and freely admit it's a terrible system but they do it out of peer pressure. There is a reason why there are many articles on why tipping sucks. The only articles coming out of the other side is, "think of the poor servers!" not "tipping is enjoyable and actually a fairer system than just paying a fixed price" like you claim.

fenderbender321 posted...

Those articles have nothing to do with my argument about tipping being the will of the people and a solution to how lower paying jobs can become more lucrative.

Why don't you post evidence that tipping is "the will of the people". You (well, maybe not you specifically, since so many things are going over your head) can tell from just looking at this topic that it is overwhelmingly not "the will of the people".

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/opinion/tipped-into-poverty.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/15/opinion/sunday/tips-and-poverty.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tips-dont-add-up-for-most-waiters-and-waitresses-1407520147

http://rocunited.org/publications/tipped-over-the-edge-gender-inequity-in-the-restaurant-industry/
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fenderbender321 posted...

The tip happens AFTER they perform the service, so it's laughable to call it bribery.

Dat reading comprehension.

You know what? You stick to waiting tables. That's clearly all you're good at.
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I've NEVER not tipped, even when the service wasn't great.

However, this one time in a Cuban restaurant in Disney Springs, the waitress kept avoiding our table (probably because we weren't drinking) and took more than 50 minutes to bring us the check. I had to find a manager so I could pay and get the fuck out of there.

For wasting our time, I left a penny on the table. My wife wasn't happy about it, but when we got stuck in the rain waiting for a ride back to our hotel, she agreed that I did the right thing.
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I think you're missing 2 (( and 2 ))
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fenderbender321 posted...

1337toothbrush posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

The tip happens AFTER they perform the service, so it's laughable to call it bribery.

Dat reading comprehension.

You know what? You stick to waiting tables. That's clearly all you're good at.

Then your point makes even less sense.

But it's okay. You say you tip 20%, so you're cool with me :)

And yeah, I am good at it...I would give you the best service you've ever had. I'd even bust out my guitar and play your table a song.

I go to restaurants to eat, not to be serenaded.
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fenderbender321 posted...

then why are people choosing to do that job over other things?

because its an unskilled position and they can scam customers
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ModLogic posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

then why are people choosing to do that job over other things?

because its an unskilled position and they can scam customers

Scamming customers is giving them the option to literally leave whatever they want or nothing at all...lmao
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Also, what's the deal with tipping on takeout? That's doing exactly what fast food places like McDonald's do, except I've read that people should still tip on takeout. Being the sucker that I am, I do tip around 10% on takeout, though I rarely do takeout or eat out in general so whatever.

Also, what's up with those hipster fast casual and food truck joints that have a tip jar even though they don't offer table service at all?
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I'm fine tipping but the percentage thing makes no sense. I tip based on what I have on me and how much I think the service was worth. Also lol at tipping for takeout.

knutjob posted...

I'm fine tipping but the percentage thing makes no sense. I tip based on what I have on me and how much I think the service was worth. Also lol at tipping for takeout.

be sure to tip the girl in the drivethru window at burger kang as well!
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Alexanaxela posted...

knutjob posted...

I'm fine tipping but the percentage thing makes no sense. I tip based on what I have on me and how much I think the service was worth. Also lol at tipping for takeout.

be sure to tip the girl in the drivethru window at burger kang as well!

Don't forget the mailman

I'm so glad none of this bullshit applies to where I live. I'm not saying I disagree with the article, I'm just saying it sucks that the US has this tipping culture in the first place. Where I live service gets the equivalent to 22$ an hour. People still tip here but not tipping isn't "wrong" here at all, you really only tip a substantial amount (15%+ being substantial) if the service was exceptional.