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straightwaves 03/05/18 3:30:05 PM #1:	why so sad T_T --- - <cite>straightwaves posted [p:897225365] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>why so sad T_T</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 03/05/18 3:30:48 PM #2:	Because they sucked and other videogame companies had better and more consistent products. --- The poster formerly known as Kakarot181: July 2, 2002 - March 14, 2012. Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:897225406] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>Because they sucked and other videogame companies had better and more consistent products.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 03/05/18 3:31:55 PM #3:	K181 posted... Because consumers are dumb & bought a PS2 to play DVDs --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:897225464] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>Because consumers are dumb & bought a PS2 to play DVDs</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 03/05/18 3:32:50 PM #4:	Romulox28 posted... K181 posted... Because consumers are dumb & bought a PS2 to play DVDs Yes, consumers are dumb for liking a system that offered a cheap DVD option and had one of the strongest libraries in videogame history to that date. Good hot take. --- The poster formerly known as Kakarot181: July 2, 2002 - March 14, 2012. Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:897225517] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>Because consumers are dumb & bought a PS2 to play DVDs</quote></quote> Yes, consumers are dumb for liking a system that offered a cheap DVD option and had one of the strongest libraries in videogame history to that date. Good hot take.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HydroCannabinol 03/05/18 3:33:07 PM #5:	Why cat cant haz cheezburger?? --- Steam ID: Mind_Explosion I thought I chose very easy, not brand new to the game. - CheesyPhil on SC2 <cite>HydroCannabinol posted [p:897225535] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>Why cat cant haz cheezburger??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 03/05/18 3:39:35 PM #6:	K181 posted... Romulox28 posted... K181 posted... Because consumers are dumb & bought a PS2 to play DVDs Yes, consumers are dumb for liking a system that offered a cheap DVD option and had one of the strongest libraries in videogame history to that date. Good hot take. It's hard to compete with a console that launches with a 700 game library. --- I faced it all and I stood tall- And did it my way. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:897225917] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>Because consumers are dumb & bought a PS2 to play DVDs</quote></quote> Yes, consumers are dumb for liking a system that offered a cheap DVD option and had one of the strongest libraries in videogame history to that date. Good hot take.</quote> It's hard to compete with a console that launches with a 700 game library.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/05/18 3:41:36 PM #7:	Actual reason: They made some terrible business decisions with the Sega Saturn that hurt consumer confidence in the Dreamcast era. However, the nail in the coffin was a proposed Sega/Sammy merger in which Sega backed out at the last minute which was seen as a huge insult in Japanese culture. In retaliation, Sammy bought out Sega via hostile takeover, broke up their development studios, put most of their talent on making pachinko machines, and fired all the top Sega execs. The company has been a shell of its former self ever since. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:897226048] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>Actual reason: They made some terrible business decisions with the Sega Saturn that hurt consumer confidence in the Dreamcast era. However, the nail in the coffin was a proposed Sega/Sammy merger in which Sega backed out at the last minute which was seen as a huge insult in Japanese culture. In retaliation, Sammy bought out Sega via hostile takeover, broke up their development studios, put most of their talent on making pachinko machines, and fired all the top Sega execs. The company has been a shell of its former self ever since.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 03/05/18 3:41:46 PM #8:	Sega screwed Sega. Sony just had the chance to put the final dagger in the back. WCW screwed WCW/AOL Time Warner. WWE just had the chance to put the final dagger in the back. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:897226061] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>Sega screwed Sega. Sony just had the chance to put the final dagger in the back. WCW screwed WCW/AOL Time Warner. WWE just had the chance to put the final dagger in the back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 03/05/18 3:42:11 PM #9:	K181 posted... Romulox28 posted... K181 posted... Because consumers are dumb & bought a PS2 to play DVDs Yes, consumers are dumb for liking a system that offered a cheap DVD option and had one of the strongest libraries in videogame history to that date. Good hot take. do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? and it is very unfortunate imo that the ps2 killed the dreamcast because it could play dvds, given that most ppl on this board like their systems for gaming moreso than multimedia. everyone whined when the xbox one went all in on that stuff --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:897226072] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>Because consumers are dumb & bought a PS2 to play DVDs</quote></quote> Yes, consumers are dumb for liking a system that offered a cheap DVD option and had one of the strongest libraries in videogame history to that date. Good hot take.</quote> do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? and it is very unfortunate imo that the ps2 killed the dreamcast because it could play dvds, given that most ppl on this board like their systems for gaming moreso than multimedia. everyone whined when the xbox one went all in on that stuff</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 03/05/18 3:43:07 PM #10:	Romulox28 posted... do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library. --- I faced it all and I stood tall- And did it my way. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:897226133] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? </quote> It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 03/05/18 3:44:43 PM #11:	r4X0r posted... Romulox28 posted... do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library. so then you're arguing for the ps1 --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:897226216] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? </quote> It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library.</quote> so then you're arguing for the ps1</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
snesmaster40 03/05/18 3:45:31 PM #12:	Sega made bad decisions on their hardware. Pushing the Dreamcast out too early because they wanted to be first was a bad idea, as the Dreamcast ended up being outdated by the time the PS2 came. --- Initial D - First Drifts scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tntdrg5N1M <cite>snesmaster40 posted [p:897226267] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>Sega made bad decisions on their hardware. Pushing the Dreamcast out too early because they wanted to be first was a bad idea, as the Dreamcast ended up being outdated by the time the PS2 came.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/05/18 3:45:42 PM #13:	Short answer is lack of direction and infighting. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:897226276] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>Short answer is lack of direction and infighting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobtuse 03/05/18 3:46:02 PM #14:	A lot of it was from terrible communication between Sega of Japan and Sega of America --- . <cite>bobtuse posted [p:897226299] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>A lot of it was from terrible communication between Sega of Japan and Sega of America</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/05/18 3:46:52 PM #15:	bobtuse posted... A lot of it was from terrible communication between Sega of Japan and Sega of America That predominantly impacted America. Sega had issues globally. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:897226347] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>bobtuse posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of it was from terrible communication between Sega of Japan and Sega of America</quote> That predominantly impacted America. Sega had issues globally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 03/05/18 3:46:58 PM #16:	Romulox28 posted... r4X0r posted... Romulox28 posted... do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library. so then you're arguing for the ps1 The PS1 library, which was available on the PS2 at the time of launch, giving it an extremely strong library at the time of launch. Let me know where I lost you. --- I faced it all and I stood tall- And did it my way. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:897226354] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? </quote> It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library.</quote> so then you're arguing for the ps1</quote> The PS1 library, which was available on the PS2 at the time of launch, giving it an extremely strong library at the time of launch. Let me know where I lost you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/05/18 3:49:52 PM #17:	snesmaster40 posted... Sega made bad decisions on their hardware. Pushing the Dreamcast out too early because they wanted to be first was a bad idea, as the Dreamcast ended up being outdated by the time the PS2 came. Sony also just blatantly made shit up during that time period. Between the 1998 release of the Dreamcast and the 2000 PS2 release date, Sony announced that the PS2 would have the following during the 1999 E3 conference: -built in hard drive -built in cable modem -50x more power than the Dreamcast -more RAM than the dreamcast. And then in the following year they just quietly scaled back promises until the actual release date. tl;dr: Sony helped tank the Dreamcast by making hollow promises convincing people to wait for the PS2. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:897226508] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>snesmaster40 posted...</cite> <quote>Sega made bad decisions on their hardware. Pushing the Dreamcast out too early because they wanted to be first was a bad idea, as the Dreamcast ended up being outdated by the time the PS2 came.</quote> Sony also just blatantly made shit up during that time period. Between the 1998 release of the Dreamcast and the 2000 PS2 release date, Sony announced that the PS2 would have the following during the 1999 E3 conference: -built in hard drive -built in cable modem -50x more power than the Dreamcast -more RAM than the dreamcast. And then in the following year they just quietly scaled back promises until the actual release date. tl;dr: Sony helped tank the Dreamcast by making hollow promises convincing people to wait for the PS2.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 03/05/18 3:51:22 PM #18:	Romulox28 posted... K181 posted... Romulox28 posted... K181 posted... Because consumers are dumb & bought a PS2 to play DVDs Yes, consumers are dumb for liking a system that offered a cheap DVD option and had one of the strongest libraries in videogame history to that date. Good hot take. do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? and it is very unfortunate imo that the ps2 killed the dreamcast because it could play dvds, given that most ppl on this board like their systems for gaming moreso than multimedia. everyone whined when the xbox one went all in on that stuff A) I didn't say that it had the strongest, I said it was one of the strongest. B) For a release console, the PS2 had a staggeringly huge number of games on the horizon that made it readily obvious that they were going to offer a huge game library, so it wasn't hard to prognosticate that it was going to hit the ground running a lot better than the Dreamcast did. C) As the other poster mentioned, the backwards compatibility part didn't hurt. D) And actually, the DVD capability, if anything, was relatively underutilized. Late generation polls showed that actually a significant proportion of the console's ownership only used it to play games and not DVDs. E) And even if that wasn't the case, what's so wrong about multipurpose consoles? --- The poster formerly known as Kakarot181: July 2, 2002 - March 14, 2012. Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:897226589] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>Because consumers are dumb & bought a PS2 to play DVDs</quote></quote> Yes, consumers are dumb for liking a system that offered a cheap DVD option and had one of the strongest libraries in videogame history to that date. Good hot take.</quote> do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? and it is very unfortunate imo that the ps2 killed the dreamcast because it could play dvds, given that most ppl on this board like their systems for gaming moreso than multimedia. everyone whined when the xbox one went all in on that stuff</quote> A) I didn't say that it had the strongest, I said it was one of the strongest. B) For a release console, the PS2 had a staggeringly huge number of games on the horizon that made it readily obvious that they were going to offer a huge game library, so it wasn't hard to prognosticate that it was going to hit the ground running a lot better than the Dreamcast did. C) As the other poster mentioned, the backwards compatibility part didn't hurt. D) And actually, the DVD capability, if anything, was relatively underutilized. Late generation polls showed that actually a significant proportion of the console's ownership only used it to play games and not DVDs. E) And even if that wasn't the case, what's so wrong about multipurpose consoles?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skye Reynolds 03/05/18 3:53:27 PM #20:	Caution999 posted... Sega screwed Sega. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:897226701] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Sega screwed Sega. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 03/05/18 3:53:41 PM #21:	It's really a shame. Us gamers really are the ones that lost out when Sega decided to strictly go third party. The Dreamcast was a fantastic system. Honestly, some of the best release games I've ever seen a console start with. They would've fixed the controller for the second generation (or maybe even later like Sony did for the PS1). The VMU was innovative. Everything about the system was an innovation. We lost out on some great games. We lost out on Dreamcast 2, Dreamcast 3, Dreamcast 4. We lost out on fantastic gaming. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:897226720] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>It's really a shame. Us gamers really are the ones that lost out when Sega decided to strictly go third party. The Dreamcast was a fantastic system. Honestly, some of the best release games I've ever seen a console start with. They would've fixed the controller for the second generation (or maybe even later like Sony did for the PS1). The VMU was innovative. Everything about the system was an innovation. We lost out on some great games. We lost out on Dreamcast 2, Dreamcast 3, Dreamcast 4. We lost out on fantastic gaming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scaramanga 03/05/18 3:54:30 PM #22:	r4X0r posted... Romulox28 posted... r4X0r posted... Romulox28 posted... do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library. so then you're arguing for the ps1 The PS1 library, which was available on the PS2 at the time of launch, giving it an extremely strong library at the time of launch. Let me know where I lost you. Im not going to buy a new console so I can play last generations games. --- A duel between titans. My golden gun against your Walther PPK. Each of us with a 50-50 chance. <cite>Scaramanga posted [p:897226764] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? </quote> It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library.</quote> so then you're arguing for the ps1</quote> The PS1 library, which was available on the PS2 at the time of launch, giving it an extremely strong library at the time of launch. Let me know where I lost you.</quote> Im not going to buy a new console so I can play last generations games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/05/18 3:55:08 PM #23:	JACKBUTTMOMMY posted... I actually thought Sega died due to piracy. I vividly remember Bleemcast being sold in Electronic's Boutique (what later became EB Games and now GameStop iirc). A small game library and being too soon for their time (internet gaming on dial-up [unless you had high speed and the converter at the time]) were likely other contributing factors. That was a small part of it, but not nearly as big as the corporate takeover. The dreamcast is probably the easiest console on the planet to pirate for. It has NO protections, to the point where you can burn games directly to CD and play it on the console without modifications. (I'm being vague here for TOS reasons) --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:897226803] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...</cite> <quote>I actually thought Sega died due to piracy. I vividly remember Bleemcast being sold in Electronic's Boutique (what later became EB Games and now GameStop iirc). A small game library and being too soon for their time (internet gaming on dial-up [unless you had high speed and the converter at the time]) were likely other contributing factors.</quote> That was a small part of it, but not nearly as big as the corporate takeover. The dreamcast is probably the easiest console on the planet to pirate for. It has NO protections, to the point where you can burn games directly to CD and play it on the console without modifications. (I'm being vague here for TOS reasons)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 03/05/18 3:56:44 PM #24:	r4X0r posted... Romulox28 posted... r4X0r posted... Romulox28 posted... do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library. so then you're arguing for the ps1 The PS1 library, which was available on the PS2 at the time of launch, giving it an extremely strong library at the time of launch. Let me know where I lost you. is this a serious post? people like to typically buy new consoles to play new games, they all already owned ps1s --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:897226920] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? </quote> It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library.</quote> so then you're arguing for the ps1</quote> The PS1 library, which was available on the PS2 at the time of launch, giving it an extremely strong library at the time of launch. Let me know where I lost you.</quote> is this a serious post? people like to typically buy new consoles to play new games, they all already owned ps1s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 03/05/18 3:58:28 PM #25:	Romulox28 posted... r4X0r posted... Romulox28 posted... r4X0r posted... Romulox28 posted... do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library. so then you're arguing for the ps1 The PS1 library, which was available on the PS2 at the time of launch, giving it an extremely strong library at the time of launch. Let me know where I lost you. is this a serious post? people like to typically buy new consoles to play new games, they all already owned ps1s yeah idk why people keep bringing up the PS1 library. The PS2's first year wasn't great but 2001 sure was. --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:897227017] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? </quote> It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library.</quote> so then you're arguing for the ps1</quote> The PS1 library, which was available on the PS2 at the time of launch, giving it an extremely strong library at the time of launch. Let me know where I lost you.</quote> is this a serious post? people like to typically buy new consoles to play new games, they all already owned ps1s</quote> yeah idk why people keep bringing up the PS1 library. The PS2's first year wasn't great but 2001 sure was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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iron jojo 03/05/18 4:01:28 PM #27:	Romulox28 posted... K181 posted... Because consumers are dumb & bought a PS2 to play DVDs Lol that's like blaming millenials for Applebees failing. --- vickfan-chucky they hated Jesus homie chuckyhacks-who teh hell is "jesus homie" <cite>iron jojo posted [p:897227222] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>Because consumers are dumb & bought a PS2 to play DVDs</quote></quote> Lol that's like blaming millenials for Applebees failing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 03/05/18 4:02:40 PM #28:	s0nicfan posted... Actual reason: They made some terrible business decisions with the Sega Saturn that hurt consumer confidence in the Dreamcast era. However, the nail in the coffin was a proposed Sega/Sammy merger in which Sega backed out at the last minute which was seen as a huge insult in Japanese culture. In retaliation, Sammy bought out Sega via hostile takeover, broke up their development studios, put most of their talent on making pachinko machines, and fired all the top Sega execs. The company has been a shell of its former self ever since. Never heard of Sammy. --- Hive Mind of Dark Aether, the unofficial Metroid Social Private board. https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:897227294] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Actual reason: They made some terrible business decisions with the Sega Saturn that hurt consumer confidence in the Dreamcast era. However, the nail in the coffin was a proposed Sega/Sammy merger in which Sega backed out at the last minute which was seen as a huge insult in Japanese culture. In retaliation, Sammy bought out Sega via hostile takeover, broke up their development studios, put most of their talent on making pachinko machines, and fired all the top Sega execs. The company has been a shell of its former self ever since.</quote> Never heard of Sammy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scaramanga 03/05/18 4:03:44 PM #29:	P4wn4g3 posted... s0nicfan posted... Actual reason: They made some terrible business decisions with the Sega Saturn that hurt consumer confidence in the Dreamcast era. However, the nail in the coffin was a proposed Sega/Sammy merger in which Sega backed out at the last minute which was seen as a huge insult in Japanese culture. In retaliation, Sammy bought out Sega via hostile takeover, broke up their development studios, put most of their talent on making pachinko machines, and fired all the top Sega execs. The company has been a shell of its former self ever since. Never heard of Sammy. --- A duel between titans. My golden gun against your Walther PPK. Each of us with a 50-50 chance. <cite>Scaramanga posted [p:897227351] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Actual reason: They made some terrible business decisions with the Sega Saturn that hurt consumer confidence in the Dreamcast era. However, the nail in the coffin was a proposed Sega/Sammy merger in which Sega backed out at the last minute which was seen as a huge insult in Japanese culture. In retaliation, Sammy bought out Sega via hostile takeover, broke up their development studios, put most of their talent on making pachinko machines, and fired all the top Sega execs. The company has been a shell of its former self ever since.</quote> Never heard of Sammy.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/05/18 4:04:15 PM #30:	P4wn4g3 posted... s0nicfan posted... Actual reason: They made some terrible business decisions with the Sega Saturn that hurt consumer confidence in the Dreamcast era. However, the nail in the coffin was a proposed Sega/Sammy merger in which Sega backed out at the last minute which was seen as a huge insult in Japanese culture. In retaliation, Sammy bought out Sega via hostile takeover, broke up their development studios, put most of their talent on making pachinko machines, and fired all the top Sega execs. The company has been a shell of its former self ever since. Never heard of Sammy. They published Guilty Gear, but most of their money came from making gambling cabinets for Japanese bars and casinos. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Corporation --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:897227385] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Actual reason: They made some terrible business decisions with the Sega Saturn that hurt consumer confidence in the Dreamcast era. However, the nail in the coffin was a proposed Sega/Sammy merger in which Sega backed out at the last minute which was seen as a huge insult in Japanese culture. In retaliation, Sammy bought out Sega via hostile takeover, broke up their development studios, put most of their talent on making pachinko machines, and fired all the top Sega execs. The company has been a shell of its former self ever since.</quote> Never heard of Sammy.</quote> They published Guilty Gear, but most of their money came from making gambling cabinets for Japanese bars and casinos. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Corporation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/05/18 4:21:16 PM #31:	JACKBUTTMOMMY posted... I actually thought Sega died due to piracy. I vividly remember Bleemcast being sold in Electronic's Boutique (what later became EB Games and now GameStop iirc). A small game library and being too soon for their time (internet gaming on dial-up [unless you had high speed and the converter at the time]) were likely other contributing factors. it's the opposite. piracy caused a surge of dreamcast sales near the end of life and let them continue on longer than they otherwise would have. people weren't buying DC games with or without piracy. despite the fact that many of them were very well reviewed. additionally, bleemcast was a PS1 emulator that ran on Dreamcast, not a dreamcast emulator. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:897228452] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...</cite> <quote>I actually thought Sega died due to piracy. I vividly remember Bleemcast being sold in Electronic's Boutique (what later became EB Games and now GameStop iirc). A small game library and being too soon for their time (internet gaming on dial-up [unless you had high speed and the converter at the time]) were likely other contributing factors.</quote> it's the opposite. piracy caused a surge of dreamcast sales near the end of life and let them continue on longer than they otherwise would have. people weren't buying DC games with or without piracy. despite the fact that many of them were very well reviewed. additionally, bleemcast was a PS1 emulator that ran on Dreamcast, not a dreamcast emulator.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zack_Attackv1 03/05/18 4:23:18 PM #32:	A lot of bad moves like releasing new hardware so close to each other, which ended up alienating their consumer fanbase. --- http://i.imgur.com/rqW8rFT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DGDpOhb.gif <cite>Zack_Attackv1 posted [p:897228596] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>A lot of bad moves like releasing new hardware so close to each other, which ended up alienating their consumer fanbase.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi13579 03/05/18 4:27:01 PM #33:	They still make/publish some good games at least (e.g. Yakuza and SMT/Persona), but obviously their output was much greater when they made consoles. That's why the whole "Nintendo should go third-party" thing is laughable to me. Their incentive and ability to make games would almost certainly be diminished just like Sega's was. s0nicfan posted... Sony also just blatantly made shit up during that time period. Between the 1998 release of the Dreamcast and the 2000 PS2 release date, Sony announced that the PS2 would have the following during the 1999 E3 conference: Also, Toy Story graphics! <cite>luigi13579 posted [p:897228819] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>They still make/publish some good games at least (e.g. Yakuza and SMT/Persona), but obviously their output was much greater when they made consoles. That's why the whole "Nintendo should go third-party" thing is laughable to me. Their incentive and ability to make games would almost certainly be diminished just like Sega's was. <cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Sony also just blatantly made shit up during that time period. Between the 1998 release of the Dreamcast and the 2000 PS2 release date, Sony announced that the PS2 would have the following during the 1999 E3 conference:</quote> Also, Toy Story graphics!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 03/05/18 4:31:10 PM #34:	Romulox28 posted... r4X0r posted... Romulox28 posted... r4X0r posted... Romulox28 posted... do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library. so then you're arguing for the ps1 The PS1 library, which was available on the PS2 at the time of launch, giving it an extremely strong library at the time of launch. Let me know where I lost you. is this a serious post? people like to typically buy new consoles to play new games, they all already owned ps1s it's a combination of factors, obviously, but the backwards compatibility mattered to a lot of people I think tho imo the biggest factor was sega's shitty track record with consoles at thaty point --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:897229088] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? </quote> It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library.</quote> so then you're arguing for the ps1</quote> The PS1 library, which was available on the PS2 at the time of launch, giving it an extremely strong library at the time of launch. Let me know where I lost you.</quote> is this a serious post? people like to typically buy new consoles to play new games, they all already owned ps1s</quote> it's a combination of factors, obviously, but the backwards compatibility mattered to a lot of people I think tho imo the biggest factor was sega's shitty track record with consoles at thaty point</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/05/18 4:32:56 PM #35:	Everything between the Genesis/Mega Drive and the Dreamcast was a total flop. I don't blame people for not giving them the benefit of the doubt. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:897229203] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>Everything between the Genesis/Mega Drive and the Dreamcast was a total flop. I don't blame people for not giving them the benefit of the doubt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlazinBlue88 03/05/18 4:35:22 PM #36:	Balrog0 posted... but the backwards compatibility mattered to a lot of people I think It mattered to all the kids that bought an N64 over a PS1. When I got my PS2, I was just as excited about diving into the PS1 library as I was the PS2 games. Especially since I could get a bunch of PS1 games on the cheap. Got the Spyro trilogy for $25. --- http://i.imgur.com/R15aJJ3.png http://i.imgur.com/NJqp6LS.png <cite>BlazinBlue88 posted [p:897229366] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>but the backwards compatibility mattered to a lot of people I think</quote> It mattered to all the kids that bought an N64 over a PS1. When I got my PS2, I was just as excited about diving into the PS1 library as I was the PS2 games. Especially since I could get a bunch of PS1 games on the cheap. Got the Spyro trilogy for $25.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 03/05/18 4:38:11 PM #37:	BlazinBlue88 posted... Balrog0 posted... but the backwards compatibility mattered to a lot of people I think It mattered to all the kids that bought an N64 over a PS1. When I got my PS2, I was just as excited about diving into the PS1 library as I was the PS2 games. Especially since I could get a bunch of PS1 games on the cheap. Got the Spyro trilogy for $25. yeah, same here I imagine that is true of the 7 saturn owners of the generation as well lol --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:897229560] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlazinBlue88 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>but the backwards compatibility mattered to a lot of people I think</quote> It mattered to all the kids that bought an N64 over a PS1. When I got my PS2, I was just as excited about diving into the PS1 library as I was the PS2 games. Especially since I could get a bunch of PS1 games on the cheap. Got the Spyro trilogy for $25.</quote> yeah, same here I imagine that is true of the 7 saturn owners of the generation as well lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulletproofvita 03/05/18 4:41:06 PM #38:	My Sega Saturn is still the pride of my collection. --- XboxLive: bulletproofvita <cite>bulletproofvita posted [p:897229736] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote>My Sega Saturn is still the pride of my collection.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/05/18 4:44:09 PM #39:	MC_BatCommander posted... Romulox28 posted... r4X0r posted... Romulox28 posted... r4X0r posted... Romulox28 posted... do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library. so then you're arguing for the ps1 The PS1 library, which was available on the PS2 at the time of launch, giving it an extremely strong library at the time of launch. Let me know where I lost you. is this a serious post? people like to typically buy new consoles to play new games, they all already owned ps1s yeah idk why people keep bringing up the PS1 library. The PS2's first year wasn't great but 2001 sure was. Because people / kids who exclusively owned an N64 or Saturn and were disappointed saw the PS2 as an opportunity to both switch to a competitor and play a large backlog of exclusive / cheap games. Not everyone who bought a PS2 owned a PS1. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:897229927] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>do you really believe that the ps2 had the strongest library in video game in history in the year 2000? </quote> It was back compatible with the entire 700 title Playstation library.</quote> so then you're arguing for the ps1</quote> The PS1 library, which was available on the PS2 at the time of launch, giving it an extremely strong library at the time of launch. Let me know where I lost you.</quote> is this a serious post? people like to typically buy new consoles to play new games, they all already owned ps1s</quote> yeah idk why people keep bringing up the PS1 library. The PS2's first year wasn't great but 2001 sure was.</quote> Because people / kids who exclusively owned an N64 or Saturn and were disappointed saw the PS2 as an opportunity to both switch to a competitor and play a large backlog of exclusive / cheap games. Not everyone who bought a PS2 owned a PS1.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/05/18 4:46:25 PM #40:	Balrog0 posted... BlazinBlue88 posted... Balrog0 posted... but the backwards compatibility mattered to a lot of people I think It mattered to all the kids that bought an N64 over a PS1. When I got my PS2, I was just as excited about diving into the PS1 library as I was the PS2 games. Especially since I could get a bunch of PS1 games on the cheap. Got the Spyro trilogy for $25. yeah, same here I imagine that is true of the 7 saturn owners of the generation as well lol raises hand I can say that as a Saturn owner I wasn't concerned about BC, because there wasn't much to BC in the first place. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:897230059] in why sega d... [t:76383681]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlazinBlue88 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>but the backwards compatibility mattered to a lot of people I think</quote> It mattered to all the kids that bought an N64 over a PS1. When I got my PS2, I was just as excited about diving into the PS1 library as I was the PS2 games. Especially since I could get a bunch of PS1 games on the cheap. Got the Spyro trilogy for $25.</quote> yeah, same here I imagine that is true of the 7 saturn owners of the generation as well lol</quote> raises hand I can say that as a Saturn owner I wasn't concerned about BC, because there wasn't much to BC in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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